U.k. Citizen Born Here Exiting On A U.k. Passport Not A Thai Passport.

[VisaProblem]

Hi,

My daughter was born in Thailand, is 18 months old, has a British passport, and both a UK and Thai birth certificate. I am British, the mother is Thai.

She does not have a Thai passport and cannot apply for one as she is a minor and the mother is absent and thus we are unable to fulfill the requirement of both parents applying for a Thai passport.

I am taking her to the UK to visit my Mum, her Granny, and wondered do I need to get her UK passport “stamped in” at immigration first ?. Obviously her UK passport has no stamps as she was born here.

I would be grateful for any information how this works and any processes that will need to be undertaken for a UK citizen born here that is exiting on a UK passport and does not have a Thai passport.

Thanks very much.

[VisaProblem]

FYI: my daugher has my British surname, NOT the mothers Thai name. Thanks.

[ThaiVisaExpress]

As long as she has a valid passport to enter the UK it will be stamped on exit and on re entry as yours is.

[VisaProblem]

As long as she has a valid passport to enter the UK it will be stamped on exit and on re entry as yours is.

thanks for that. will i need her birth certificates at the airport or you think this is pretty straightforward and just the place of birth listed in the UK passport will be enough for immigration to understand whats going on ??

Thanks very much.

[ThaiVisaExpress]

Take them in case however she is your child and she has a valid passport for travel in my experience don't complicate things with immigration, simply check in as you would normally you are doing nothing illegal.

[tariq786]

Hi

As long has she has UK passport + Birth Certificate she is free to travel but when u return she will need a valid VISA to enter Thailand.

[VisaProblem]

Hi

As long has she has UK passport + Birth Certificate she is free to travel but when u return she will need a valid VISA to enter Thailand.

Interesting point ... thanks.

So what kind of visa will she get if we just arrive at the airport when returning back to Thailand .. ? A 30 day or 60 day tourist visa .. ? (it would be a bit of an irony up seeing she is born here and will be eligible for Thai citizenship).

What would then be the procedure from applying for a visa for a child born in Thailand ?

Thanks.

[samran]

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He knows a bit about getting Thai passports and custody when the Thai mother is absent. I'm a big advocate of people with Thai citizenship leaving and re-entering Thailand on their Thai passports, to save having visa issues down the tract.

nb. your daughter is already a Thai citizen having been born in Thailand to a Thai parent. She isn't "eligible" for it, she already has it, and her Thai birth certificate will state as much.

[tariq786]

Hi

As long has she has UK passport + Birth Certificate she is free to travel but when u return she will need a valid VISA to enter Thailand.

Interesting point ... thanks.

So what kind of visa will she get if we just arrive at the airport when returning back to Thailand .. ? A 30 day or 60 day tourist visa .. ? (it would be a bit of an irony up seeing she is born here and will be eligible for Thai citizenship).

What would then be the procedure from applying for a visa for a child born in Thailand ?

Thanks.

If she does't have Thai passport she needs VISA to enter Thailand. The procedure of getting VISA is same for any other UK Citizen. At Airport she will get 30/60 days tourist visa.

If u have time, process her Thai nationality Card / Passport to avoid all the hassle.

[torrenova]

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He knows a bit about getting Thai passports and custody when the Thai mother is absent. I'm a big advocate of people with Thai citizenship leaving and re-entering Thailand on their Thai passports, to save having visa issues down the tract.

nb. your daughter is already a Thai citizen having been born in Thailand to a Thai parent. She isn't "eligible" for it, she already has it, and her Thai birth certificate will state as much.

I totally agree. Having been through the Thai passport application process I confirm that the mother would usually need to be present to jointly make the application. However, were she dead for instance, then obviously there must be a way to get a Thai passport without her presence.

The issue of legitimisation comes into play here. If the father was not the one who made the application for the birth certificate, then he would need to go through the procedure, through a Thai court because the child is under 7 years old, to become legitimised.

Legitimisation must be the first step as undoubtedly, the father would need to be recognised as the sole custodian of the child and he cannot do that without being legitimised. Even if he were the one recording the birth and thus did not need to go through the legitimisation process, I feel he would still end up in court to obtain sole custody. How that is achieved with an absentee mother I am not sure.

The OP would need to look at the relevant sections of the Thai Civil and Commercial Code but I guess it would be legitimisation, then sole custody on the basis of her abandonment (though don't be surprised if she re-appears asking for money) and then passport. Whatever happens, at the moment, unless he is on the birth certificate as the one registering the birth (his name appears twice, once at the bottom as well), then he has no rights.

[Bastian]

The child reentering Thailand would not require a visa, it would just get the 30d stamp at the airport. It could overstay without any consequences until it is 6yo afaik. Actually it will not be an overstay anyway since it it thai already.

[mark515]

Could he go to the amper and get a Kor Phor 14?

As the mother has gone I guess she dont have contact with the child etc.

He would then be able to get a Thai passport without the mother.

Best for coming back to Thailand.

[torrenova]

The child reentering Thailand would not require a visa, it would just get the 30d stamp at the airport. It could overstay without any consequences until it is 6yo afaik. Actually it will not be an overstay anyway since it it thai already.

There would be an overstay (non Thai passport) but no fine until some time in their teens I think but when trying to get on a plane bound for Thailand, there could be issues because there would be no return ticket within the 30 day period. The airline may well have an issue with that.

[Blueeyes1999uk]

My daughter was born in Thailand and has a UK passport (both parents British citizens). I recently took her to Kuala Lumpur and like yourself was a little concerned as to the process, especially as she has my husband's surname in her passport not mine! It could not have been easier - I took her Thai birth certificate and as soon as my other daughter and I were processed we moved to the desk behind the actual booths whilst a lovely lady processed the baby's exit stamp. I don't read Thai but I'm told it has the fact that she was born in Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, date etc written underneath it. Took an extra 10 minutes at the most and all done with a smile whilst the other officers entertained the three year old. Returning from KL the airline did scrutinise my visa (I obviously had no onward ticket from BKK and must have looked dodgy ) but as soon as I produced the baby's Thai birth certificate they were satisfied. I cannot comment from the U.K. but I can confirm that despite "trying my case" when I re-entered Thailand to get the baby put on my visa she only got 30 days. As previously posted, children don't pay a fine usually until the age of 12 but will get a comment upon exit re 'overstay' - this may be an issue if / when visiting other countries.

[bkk_mike]

I would recommend getting the Thai passport.

If the mother's out of the country, then there's a form she can fill in and send back (which if I remember correctly, had to be witnessed at the local Thai embassy.) With that form, and the other parent, you can get the passport.

If the mother is out of the picture altogether, then the sole responsibility form from the amphur (I think it might be the por kor 14 mentioned above) will allow a passport to be issued with only one parent.

[mark515]

My wife went in her local ampher with Mum & her sister.

Amper issued Kor Phor 14 no problem.

Child Passport obtained no problem.

Even though no fine would be charged it still dont look good when entering other countries. Always further questions would need to be answered. Best to sort a Thai passport.