Thailand Refuses Visa To Dalai Lama's Sister

[richieudon]

Yep, exactly what I was thinking. The Chinese pull all the strings in Thailand so this decision is no surprise at all...

Tibet is a Chinese province, so is Thailand

[CLOD]

Spineless and Shameless.

Coup-Issued Law.

[Thailand]

Very sad, Thailand yet again shows it's real colors to the rest of the world.

Spineless & gutless are not strong enough words.

[Thai at Heart]

Yep, exactly what I was thinking. The Chinese pull all the strings in Thailand so this decision is no surprise at all...

Tibet is a Chinese province, so is Thailand

CP pulls a lot of strings in both places.

The size of their investments in China is enormous.

[apetley]

Disgraceful servitude and toadyism shown by Thailand with this decision.

We know who pulls the strings in this region when a Thai Senator also says that Thailand should consider negotiating with China to release more water into the Mekong.

Only consider mind, unbelievable in the face of the drought here.

[chillibilly]

...strange how Thailand will give out visas to scums of the earth (criminals and sx tourists) ;yet not to a respected woman. An Thailand is suppose to be a "Buddhist nation"?????

[Xangsamhua]

For once I would love to see a working class PM that could truly represent most voters in Thailand but I guess its not going to happen any time soon while the Elite and money both rule everything

Chuan Leekpai was a working class boy. Mother was a market vendor; father a school teacher who never accumulated savings.

Thaksin at one point poured scorn on Chuan because he didn't own a house (I think his wife might have though).

[selftaopath]

They've just embarrassed themselves in front of the world. Mark might as well just stand up and say "Who's my daddy? China, baby, China"

Shame on LOS (Land of Scams). This is another example of cowardice that permeates here. More can be see in the not owning up to behavior/guilt and willing to take consequences. But w/ a mentality of illusion (not wanting to appear real=keep reputation looking real) can anyone expect different? Typical run away and hide mentality. COWARDS

[brahmburgers]

Good job Thailand!

Tibet is a Chinese province and the people don't want back to slavery, the Dalai Lama is pretending like he is a friendly political Tibetan leader traveling around the world, he is a spiritual leader and nothing more who wish to see the province Tibet back in the middle ages with slavery.

NO, China will not allow it and the Tibetans don't allow it.

I have nothing against Buddhism and Buddhist people but slavery isn't Buddhism.

Sounds like you, like hundreds of millions of gullible Chinese, have been successfully brainwashed by the history-rewriting Communist Party. If you were to look objectively (not possible for you at this point, but maybe younger generations can learn the truth), you'd plainly see that Tibet was an independent kingdom for hundreds of years alongside the fractured states of what is now China. Chinese States would regularly exchange political representatives with the Tibetans. Some Chinese emporers would make the long trek to Tibet, with their lavish entourages, to seek spiritual guidance and advice. Tibet had its own Postal service and stamps - even before Ireland.

I don't think even the Chinese politburo can deny that the Chinese army went marching in there in the 1950's and defeated the small Tibetan army and took over the country, later declaring Tibet as a province.

This talk of 'slavery' is part of the brainwashing. All countries have/had slavery. China still has it. I've personally known teen girls working for Chinese families who are on call from the moment they wake to the moment they sleep, 7 days a week for no pay. Thailand and China both have a long history of keeping slaves. Is China going to take over Thailand and the USA now - and justify it by saying they both had slavery? Ridiculous, eh? But no more ridiculous than militarily taking over a weaker country with the excuse that they once had slavery.

Edited March 4, 2010 by brahmburgers

[selftaopath]

Don't worry the defenders of the faith will be here shortly and explain it all. This government is never wrong and more important they are always right. You just don't know anything they haven't told you yet and that is the source of your confusion.

LOL and let's not forget to add: And if you don't like it why don't you go back to your home country. LOLOOLOO

[ferd54]

I really don't understand China's preoccupation with the Dalai Lama. Granted, he's an internationally known figure who disputes the Chinese claims on Tibet (and rightly so in my opinion), but he is really no more than a flea bite to the juggernaut that is China.

China is paranoid and defensive -- a character trait that can be traced back hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Their reactions to the Dalai Lama's activities are completely out of proportion to what he does and says, and to whatever "threat" (not much) he poses.

Yet that doesn't change the fact China reacts this way and has a long memory. Thailand letting his sister in to speak at an engagement would indeed p*ss the Chinese off. Yet in the end, the only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to it.

In Thailand's case there is also the component mentioned that the ruling class is largely Sino-Thai, and at least part Han Chinese, and would likely embrace the idea of Chinese superiority over and control of Tibet.

It should be noted that the Dalai Lama was on the CIA payroll after he fled Tibet and the US trained and parachuted "freedom fighters" into Tibet in the early 1960s. Of course China recalls that.

[animatic]

At least the Dalai Lama got to see Obama inside the White House.

Yeah, lucky the Dalai Lama. He may have picked up a few points on socialism from a one term president.

He isnt too interested in the right to self-determination of the Falkland Islanders though, just like he doesnt care about the plight of the Tibetans.

Obama could teach anyone how to be a spineless traitor, with his complete silence in backing Britain over the latest Argentinian troubles that are boiling over, though Clinton offered to mediate (though i dont see what there is to mediate over) Pity weve spilled so much blood helping out the cowardly governments (not people) from across the pond.

What,

your Mr. Brown can't get the job done without winging to Obama for back up.

Yes, lets open up a 3rd front, on a 3rd continent, BRILLIANT!

Over there. Over there...

if the yanks aren't coming,

the Yanks aren't coming,

so lets slag on the every day.

This has sod all to do with Dalai Lama and his sister Thailand and China.

Edited March 4, 2010 by animatic

[Ponbkk]

Spineless acts like in DC from mavericks doing nothing to change the ways. Both will be 1 term reigns, if that.

[erg]

Last year the Dutch Prime Minister Balkenende, refused to talk with the Dalai Lama, because China advised him not to do so.

Money rules.

[Bkung]

According to the Buddhist teaching monk should not involved in politic .

Sometimes people misused the key words of 'democracy' like they does here in Thailand.

[Tejas]

According to the Buddhist teaching monk should not involved in politic .

Sometimes people misused the key words of 'democracy' like they does here in Thailand.

Maybe she does not fall into the category of "quality tourist."

[tranquillize]

Thailand should be ashamed of itself. What an utter act of cowardice.

[Latindancer]

And I always find it a bit odd that even educated overseas Chinese see Tibet as somehow being an integral part of China despite having a different language and a different culture, not to mention the distance between cultural capitols.

Their culture and education system brainwashes them. It is completely one-sided.

In Australia, friends of mine would politely point out various facts..... historical, geographic and moral....to an mature-aged overseas Chinese guy they knew at university there. He would fly into a fury about this, and I have seen this same reaction elsewhere.

[ferd54]

Their culture and education system brainwashes them. It is completely one-sided.

In Australia, friends of mine would politely point out various facts..... historical, geographic and moral....to an mature-aged overseas Chinese guy they knew at university there. He would fly into a fury about this, and I have seen this same reaction elsewhere.

I was working in China during the Olympic flame protests in Europe etc. Some friends tried to talk to their Chinese wives about this and it damned near caused divorces. Absolutely zero room for consideration of a view different than the line that Tibet is and should be a part of China, and the Dali Lama is to blame for how badly the Chinese are "misunderstood."

But I am able, I hope, to keep an open enough mind that I can question some of the West's dogged love for old Lama. He was, as I noted, on the CIA payroll and certainly the Chinese think he has been active in politics -- I wonder if a true Buddhist master should be involved in those things at all.

[backsoon]

It always amazes me how some nations are so scared of individual characters.

Here we have the Thai government afraid of offending China by granting Jetsun Pema, sister of the Dalai Lama, a visa. This is a 69 year old, peace loving lady.

The same can be said for China's fear of The Dalai Lama, a wonderful old man with a great sense of humor and of the world.

Last but not least Aung Sa Suu Kyi, who has terrified the medal laden generals of the Burmese military for two decades.

At least the Dalai Lama got to see Obama inside the White House.

This is a perfect example of

1) Special nature of 'Thai Culture' everybody is quick to mention.

2) Special nature of Thai Foreign Ministry job - not to get involved in International Politics

3) Big is right... Thailand is small... and has many Chiese living here. They are not farang, but a part of 'Thai Culture'. The circle is closed.

[RKASA]

Lots of things were done in the 1960's cold war environ, but the rules changed in 1974 when China opened. To say China is saving Tibet is like saying GW Bush liberated Iraq.

[moetownblues]

China could not care less about Thailand or the thai people they have dammed the Mekong which is having huge effects on Thailand and then they request that Thailand bow to them and do as they say. What has this woman done that is so bad? She had no choice in her family and what has the Dalai lama done to china?

China tried this crap on with Australia also but were told to go and take a flying leap. They pulled thier heads in. Stand up Thailand and do not be afraid of China because they don't give a dam_n about you.

[moetownblues]

Tibet is a Chinese province, so is Thailand

Nice one

[moetownblues]

Good job Thailand!

Tibet is a Chinese province and the people don't want back to slavery, the Dalai Lama is pretending like he is a friendly political Tibetan leader traveling around the world, he is a spiritual leader and nothing more who wish to see the province Tibet back in the middle ages with slavery.

NO, China will not allow it and the Tibetans don't allow it.

I have nothing against Buddhism and Buddhist people but slavery isn't Buddhism.

Sounds like you, like hundreds of millions of gullible Chinese, have been successfully brainwashed by the history-rewriting Communist Party. If you were to look objectively (not possible for you at this point, but maybe younger generations can learn the truth), you'd plainly see that Tibet was an independent kingdom for hundreds of years alongside the fractured states of what is now China. Chinese States would regularly exchange political representatives with the Tibetans. Some Chinese emporers would make the long trek to Tibet, with their lavish entourages, to seek spiritual guidance and advice. Tibet had its own Postal service and stamps - even before Ireland.

I don't think even the Chinese politburo can deny that the Chinese army went marching in there in the 1950's and defeated the small Tibetan army and took over the country, later declaring Tibet as a province.

This talk of 'slavery' is part of the brainwashing. All countries have/had slavery. China still has it. I've personally known teen girls working for Chinese families who are on call from the moment they wake to the moment they sleep, 7 days a week for no pay. Thailand and China both have a long history of keeping slaves. Is China going to take over Thailand and the USA now - and justify it by saying they both had slavery? Ridiculous, eh? But no more ridiculous than militarily taking over a weaker country with the excuse that they once had slavery.

well said and very true

[RKASA]

The UN is not my father----- China is.

[Ricardo]

Shameful action, she isn't in any way a religious or political figure, what do the Chinese have to fear, and why is Thailand so quick to follow the Communist-Party line ?

[moetownblues]

"we don't want to get involved in international politics," said Chavanond Intarakomalyasut, secretary to Thailand's foreign minister."

Can someone please explain what the Thai Foreign minister office does if it does not get involved in International Politics. I know in other countries they are very involved as that is what they are paid to do.

I can just see the Secretary entering the office and saying "Excuse me minister but the Thai Ambassador to China has just been arrested" Reply "Why are you telling me we don't get involved in politics go tell the minister for Roads that's his area" Oh and while your there tell him I haven't received my cut this month for the Tuk tuk scam we are running on the Foreigners.

Edited March 4, 2010 by moetownblues

[moskito]

its obviously who is ruling THAIland really, its the Chinese-Thais and China behind them

[benizakura]

Good job Thailand!

Tibet is a Chinese province and the people don't want back to slavery, the Dalai Lama is pretending like he is a friendly political Tibetan leader traveling around the world, he is a spiritual leader and nothing more who wish to see the province Tibet back in the middle ages with slavery.

NO, China will not allow it and the Tibetans don't allow it.

I have nothing against Buddhism and Buddhist people but slavery isn't Buddhism.

Sounds like you, like hundreds of millions of gullible Chinese, have been successfully brainwashed by the history-rewriting Communist Party. If you were to look objectively (not possible for you at this point, but maybe younger generations can learn the truth), you'd plainly see that Tibet was an independent kingdom for hundreds of years alongside the fractured states of what is now China. Chinese States would regularly exchange political representatives with the Tibetans. Some Chinese emporers would make the long trek to Tibet, with their lavish entourages, to seek spiritual guidance and advice. Tibet had its own Postal service and stamps - even before Ireland.

I don't think even the Chinese politburo can deny that the Chinese army went marching in there in the 1950's and defeated the small Tibetan army and took over the country, later declaring Tibet as a province.

This talk of 'slavery' is part of the brainwashing. All countries have/had slavery. China still has it. I've personally known teen girls working for Chinese families who are on call from the moment they wake to the moment they sleep, 7 days a week for no pay. Thailand and China both have a long history of keeping slaves. Is China going to take over Thailand and the USA now - and justify it by saying they both had slavery? Ridiculous, eh? But no more ridiculous than militarily taking over a weaker country with the excuse that they once had slavery.

Tibet is a Chinese part already for centuries, they had selfcontrol but still they where China.

Do you want to deny that many Tibetans don't like the Dalai Lama and that they don't want back to the time when there was selfcontrol?

Do you know what is ridiculous? Western people who think it is normal when USA is bombing and taking over little countries like Serbia and Iraq, and at the same time they are crying about Tibet what's already China for centuries.

Or they forgot about the Indians in USA or all those other people with a dark skin terrorized by western colonizers... and then they have a big mouth abouth China....RIDICULOUS

Slavery isn't Buddhism.

Edited March 4, 2010 by benizakura

[animatic]

Good job Thailand!

Tibet is a Chinese province and the people don't want back to slavery, the Dalai Lama is pretending like he is a friendly political Tibetan leader traveling around the world, he is a spiritual leader and nothing more who wish to see the province Tibet back in the middle ages with slavery.

NO, China will not allow it and the Tibetans don't allow it.

I have nothing against Buddhism and Buddhist people but slavery isn't Buddhism.

Sounds like you, like hundreds of millions of gullible Chinese, have been successfully brainwashed by the history-rewriting Communist Party. If you were to look objectively (not possible for you at this point, but maybe younger generations can learn the truth), you'd plainly see that Tibet was an independent kingdom for hundreds of years alongside the fractured states of what is now China. Chinese States would regularly exchange political representatives with the Tibetans. Some Chinese emporers would make the long trek to Tibet, with their lavish entourages, to seek spiritual guidance and advice. Tibet had its own Postal service and stamps - even before Ireland.

I don't think even the Chinese politburo can deny that the Chinese army went marching in there in the 1950's and defeated the small Tibetan army and took over the country, later declaring Tibet as a province.

This talk of 'slavery' is part of the brainwashing. All countries have/had slavery. China still has it. I've personally known teen girls working for Chinese families who are on call from the moment they wake to the moment they sleep, 7 days a week for no pay. Thailand and China both have a long history of keeping slaves. Is China going to take over Thailand and the USA now - and justify it by saying they both had slavery? Ridiculous, eh? But no more ridiculous than militarily taking over a weaker country with the excuse that they once had slavery.

well said and very true

Yes seconded.

A clear victim of historical re-write brain washing and so sad to see, but not unexpected.

Still it is one of the more egregious examples of state sponsored spuriousness out there.