The World Debate. Bbc Business Of Sport: 06-03-10

[marshbags]

Football in the Red

Professional football, across the globe, is in the middle of its worst financial crisis on record. How did it get into this financial state? And where does the business of football go next? Join some of the sport's most influential The BBC's Business Editor Robert Peston, and Gordon Taylor from the Professional Footballers' Association, join in the discussion with other influential figures from the world of football.

The World Debate. Business of Sport: Football in the Red, 6 March 10:10

Repeated: 7 March 01:10; 7 March 18:10 & 01:10

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[whichschool]

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Not too sure what they can say that we dont already know .... the 2 biggest clubs in England have been bought by debt that is almost impossible to pay back with current revenue streams ... and smaller clubs like W Ham, Pompey etc... are bolloxed for buying dogshite players to get them into the Europa League where they then decide to play a B team.

The only thing the smaller clubs can do about it is pay the debt back or go into administration.

And all Liverpool Man U fans can do is hope for an Oil or Mineral magnates from the Middle East or Russia to come in and plough their countries wealth into them so they can compete with lesser clubs like Chelsea and ManCity, or completely boycott their clubs for a few seasons!

If you ask me top flight football is pretty dam ruined as a contest, and weve now only a handful of english players who are international standard .... after 17 years of Skysports era the bubbles is finally deflating and i am glad!

[carmine]

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Not too sure what they can say that we dont already know .... the 2 biggest clubs in England have been bought by debt that is almost impossible to pay back with current revenue streams ... and smaller clubs like W Ham, Pompey etc... are bolloxed for buying dogshite players to get them into the Europa League where they then decide to play a B team.

The only thing the smaller clubs can do about it is pay the debt back or go into administration.

And all Liverpool Man U fans can do is hope for an Oil or Mineral magnates from the Middle East or Russia to come in and plough their countries wealth into them so they can compete with lesser clubs like Chelsea and ManCity, or completely boycott their clubs for a few seasons!

If you ask me top flight football is pretty dam ruined as a contest, and weve now only a handful of english players who are international standard .... after 17 years of Skysports era the bubbles is finally deflating and i am glad!

Well, i suppose here's no need to watch it then

[Thongkorn]

Same old thing . Football was a game for the working classes , now its been high jacked to make money, look at Manchester United, bought by Some Americans who know nothing about football, One of the Biggest clubs in the world and yet cannot make money, Who can afford to take there son to a match at nearly a £100 pound, the players are in dream world with there inflated egos and have forgotten who pays there wages apart from there big money sponsoring by yet again big business,

[alfieconn]

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Not too sure what they can say that we dont already know .... the 2 biggest clubs in England have been bought by debt that is almost impossible to pay back with current revenue streams ... and smaller clubs like W Ham, Pompey etc... are bolloxed for buying dogshite players to get them into the Europa League where they then decide to play a B team.

The only thing the smaller clubs can do about it is pay the debt back or go into administration.

And all Liverpool Man U fans can do is hope for an Oil or Mineral magnates from the Middle East or Russia to come in and plough their countries wealth into them so they can compete with lesser clubs like Chelsea and ManCity, or completely boycott their clubs for a few seasons!

If you ask me top flight football is pretty dam ruined as a contest, and weve now only a handful of english players who are international standard .... after 17 years of Skysports era the bubbles is finally deflating and i am glad!

Could you elaborate a bit on these comments Mr Scudamore

[whichschool]

^^^^

Not too sure what they can say that we dont already know .... the 2 biggest clubs in England have been bought by debt that is almost impossible to pay back with current revenue streams ... and smaller clubs like W Ham, Pompey etc... are bolloxed for buying dogshite players to get them into the Europa League where they then decide to play a B team.

The only thing the smaller clubs can do about it is pay the debt back or go into administration.

And all Liverpool Man U fans can do is hope for an Oil or Mineral magnates from the Middle East or Russia to come in and plough their countries wealth into them so they can compete with lesser clubs like Chelsea and ManCity, or completely boycott their clubs for a few seasons!

If you ask me top flight football is pretty dam ruined as a contest, and weve now only a handful of english players who are international standard .... after 17 years of Skysports era the bubbles is finally deflating and i am glad!

Well, i suppose here's no need to watch it then

Id love to watch a show saying what theyre going to do about it.

Godron Taylor tried getting players to go on strike for 10% of TV money this greedy bastad who will do anything to get in the media has been part of the problem.

10% of the TV money could be 300million to spend on youth football changing it for ever, instead of funding champagne and roasting sessions of limp wristed footballers.

[whichschool]

^^^^

Not too sure what they can say that we dont already know .... the 2 biggest clubs in England have been bought by debt that is almost impossible to pay back with current revenue streams ... and smaller clubs like W Ham, Pompey etc... are bolloxed for buying dogshite players to get them into the Europa League where they then decide to play a B team.

The only thing the smaller clubs can do about it is pay the debt back or go into administration.

And all Liverpool Man U fans can do is hope for an Oil or Mineral magnates from the Middle East or Russia to come in and plough their countries wealth into them so they can compete with lesser clubs like Chelsea and ManCity, or completely boycott their clubs for a few seasons!

If you ask me top flight football is pretty dam ruined as a contest, and weve now only a handful of english players who are international standard .... after 17 years of Skysports era the bubbles is finally deflating and i am glad!

Could you elaborate a bit on these comments Mr Scudamore

Scudamore could only dream of my insight.

To answer your question only a few teams are capable of winning the league unless they get an Arab to spend 300 million quid making it ruined as a contest, and with its first club to go into administration this to me shows the bubble of Premier League football that started 17 years ago on Sky is starting to deflate ... plus when the 2 biggest clubs are struggling to finance their debts this will see the best players going elsewhere as happened last summer (plus a weak pound will compound this).

[alfieconn]

To answer your question only a few teams are capable of winning the league

This has been the case for the last 6 years so are you saying that the premiership was in decline then, if anything it looks like other clubs are catching up to the top 4 so it seems you are a bit wrong there.

In other leagues in europe i.e. la liga, serie a, there are also only 2 or 3 clubs capable of winning the league so worst ways the premiership is no different to them.

10% of the TV money could be 300million to spend on youth football changing it for ever

What could the 300m do that isn't already being done i.e. academies with state of the ark facilities, Have you ever been to any of these academies and seen the facilities ?

By the way i havn't been able to suss who you support so come on spill the beans

[whichschool]

Man City are catching up due to 300 million quid that theyd never have been able to raise under normal circumstance, and one reason Liverpool are hindered in competing is because theyve been bought on the never never, and any transfer cash is going in interest payments to some hedge funds. When the 3 biggest clubs and Chelsea are run by Septics and Russians who couldnt give a shyt about anything other then instant success at whatever cost and selling debt to hedge funds then the leagues in trouble but thats just my opinion.

These clubs have state of the art facilities but there is currently the lowest number of English players EVER in the top flight, where i am from the term "posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies, would you not agree this is something that is wrong?

Yes id say the Premier League was in decline as a competition 6 years ago and probably before with the same teams in the top 4 positions (this is due to Champs League money aswell), and this debt hasnt occured overnight, and nor has the lack of English players in the league, but these problems have been swept under the carpet but are coming to the fore now.

Also kids sunday league football in England is as badly run as ever with 10 year old kids playing 11 aside on full size pitches and having to hoof the ball the best they can to get near the oppositions goal, 300 million quid and someone with half a brain could sort this out forever.

With regards to Italy Spain, at least theyve different clubs in the top 4 every year.

And i'll be supporting England in just over 90 days and wont be giving a sh7t about the above.

[goldmine]

Man City are catching up due to 300 million quid that theyd never have been able to raise under normal circumstance, -- I hope they are catching up good.

[alfieconn]

Tell me something why do you never answer any questions, your always complaining but i never see you put forward any solutions.

Man City are catching up due to 300 million quid that theyd never have been able to raise under normal circumstance, and one reason Liverpool are hindered in competing is because theyve been bought on the never never, and any transfer cash is going in interest payments to some hedge funds. When the 3 biggest clubs and Chelsea are run by Septics and Russians who couldnt give a shyt about anything other then instant success at whatever cost and selling debt to hedge funds then the leagues in trouble but thats just my opinion.

So there are more teams involved now then ? so its not ruined as a contest ?

These clubs have state of the art facilities but there is currently the lowest number of English players EVER in the top flight, where i am from the term "posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies, would you not agree this is something that is wrong?

Also kids sunday league football in England is as badly run as ever with 10 year old kids playing 11 aside on full size pitches and having to hoof the ball the best they can to get near the oppositions goal, 300 million quid and someone with half a brain could sort this out forever.

If clubs have got the pick of the world to come to there clubs then of course theres going to be more foreigners and therefore less england players.

The posh frock bit is complete crap and do you know anyone whos involved in academies ?

A 10 year old will stand out if hes any good, weather he is playing on a full size pitch or a cricket pitch.

The facilities and chances for kids are better now than they have ever been, theres football coaching in the community, schools of excellance, academies so a kid if he is any good has plenty of chances.

With regards to Italy Spain, at least theyve different clubs in the top 4 every year

Complete crap, barcelona, real,valencia and sevilla are always there or there abouts and the same in italy, the 2 milan clubs ,roma and juventus.

[alfieconn]

where i am from the term "posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies,

Obviously come from dads whose boys couldn't get into an academy

[whichschool]

where i am from the term "posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies,

Obviously come from dads whose boys couldn't get into an academy

Youre dead witty!

[smokie36]

I reckon some of the top foreign players will leave England and be replaced with lesser stars over the next 2 or 3 years. Hopefully this will begin with Fabregas....

I think really its becoming tighter at the top as the financial gap between the top 6 or 7 teams has lessened to an extent. It can only be good for the game as having a four team league each year was getting boring. I hope it continues in the same direction next season.

[whichschool]

Tell me something why do you never answer any questions, your always complaining but i never see you put forward any solutions.

Man City are catching up due to 300 million quid that theyd never have been able to raise under normal circumstance, and one reason Liverpool are hindered in competing is because theyve been bought on the never never, and any transfer cash is going in interest payments to some hedge funds. When the 3 biggest clubs and Chelsea are run by Septics and Russians who couldnt give a shyt about anything other then instant success at whatever cost and selling debt to hedge funds then the leagues in trouble but thats just my opinion.

So there are more teams involved now then ? so its not ruined as a contest ?

These clubs have state of the art facilities but there is currently the lowest number of English players EVER in the top flight, where i am from the term "posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies, would you not agree this is something that is wrong?

Also kids sunday league football in England is as badly run as ever with 10 year old kids playing 11 aside on full size pitches and having to hoof the ball the best they can to get near the oppositions goal, 300 million quid and someone with half a brain could sort this out forever.

If clubs have got the pick of the world to come to there clubs then of course theres going to be more foreigners and therefore less england players.

The posh frock bit is complete crap and do you know anyone whos involved in academies ?

A 10 year old will stand out if hes any good, weather he is playing on a full size pitch or a cricket pitch.

The facilities and chances for kids are better now than they have ever been, theres football coaching in the community, schools of excellance, academies so a kid if he is any good has plenty of chances.

With regards to Italy Spain, at least theyve different clubs in the top 4 every year

Complete crap, barcelona, real,valencia and sevilla are always there or there abouts and the same in italy, the 2 milan clubs ,roma and juventus.

I answered your questions if i wasnt bored of you id offer solutions but come on even you could think of them, theyre spoken about in the press on a regular basis.

Your statement about kids playing 11 aside on cricket pitches being ok and that theyd stand out says a lot about your argument, not all 10 year olds are 5ft9 and able to hoof it up the field.

PS How are Fiorentina and Atletico doing in the Champions League?

[alfieconn]

where i am from the term "posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies,

Obviously come from dads whose boys couldn't get into an academy

Youre dead witty!

We all slag off things that give us a knockback !

[alfieconn]

Your statement about kids playing 11 aside on cricket pitches being ok and that theyd stand out says a lot about your argument, not all 10 year olds are 5ft9 and able to hoof it up the field.

So you think this is what scouts are looking for ?

Do you think Jack Wilshire at the age of 10 was 5ft9 and able to hoof it up the pitch ?

I will ask you again, have you ever been to a football academy ? do you know any football coaches or players at an academy ? Have you ever been involved in kids football and know how things work regarding being scouted etc ? if the answer is no then perhaps you stop talking about something you know nothing about and stop listening to your mates down the pub.

If you need to know anything about kids football / academies you can ask me and if i don't know the answer i will find out for you, dont listen to your mates down the pub unless theyt are qualified to speak on the matter

PS How are Fiorentina and Atletico doing in the Champions League?

Well Athletico are not in it

Real, Barcelona, Sevilla, the 2 Milan clubs are still in it and 7 of the teams i mentioned are in the top 4 places of their appropriate leagues.

[whichschool]

Dont know why im responding to you Alfie as ive got your card marked as some little scruffy mockney wannabee vagabond who aint that bright but ...

Atletico were in it this season you told me the same 4 teams from Spain and Italy are always in it ive shown you otherwise.

No im not involved in kids football i just drive my mates kids and i see its the same as ever, anyway doesnt that list youre on mean you cant go near these kind of places.

[alfieconn]

Dont know why im responding to you Alfie as ive got your card marked as some little scruffy mockney wannabee vagabond who aint that bright but ...

Think i have hit a raw nerve

Atletico were in it this season you told me the same 4 teams from Spain and Italy are always in it ive shown you otherwise.

Where have i said "the same 4 teams from Spain and Italy are always in it" ? i actually said , ''barcelona, real,valencia and sevilla are always there or there abouts and the same in italy, the 2 milan clubs ,roma and juventus''.

No im not involved in kids football i just drive my mates kids and i see its the same as ever, anyway doesnt that list youre on mean you cant go near these kind of places.

Is that your mates from down the Pub , and whats the same as ever, come on enlighten me .

"posh frock and no knickers" applies to these football acadamies

I will ask you again, on what do you base the above comment on ?

[StevieH]

I reckon some of the top foreign players will leave England and be replaced with lesser stars over the next 2 or 3 years. Hopefully this will begin with Fabregas....

I think really its becoming tighter at the top as the financial gap between the top 6 or 7 teams has lessened to an extent. It can only be good for the game as having a four team league each year was getting boring. I hope it continues in the same direction next season.

i think you're probably right and english football will have to reap what it's sown for a number of years now. it isn't fair that clubs like united and liverpool should be competing with well-managed and well-run clubs from other countries while existing in a state of effective bankruptcy. where is the incentive for clubs to keep their houses in order if other clubs in other countries are allowed to just incur debt upon debt?

think the state of the uk economy and the rise in income tax will continue to make it a less attractive place to top foreign players, assuming the tories don't lower the band again when they get in. a credit crunch scenario which forces a lot of english clubs to break themselves up and start again wouldn't be the worst thing imaginable.

[Jockstar]

Alfie and whichschool. Please post within the rules on Tv. ie no flaming etc etc. This is just a public warning and not an official one yet. Thanks. As you were.