Red Shirt leaders are now taking direction from Thaksin's recently engaged law firm.

A rabble of dissenting ship board lawyers on a precariously listing boat.

They now stand to lose credibility with their own constituency.

Here, Here! I at one point had some sympathy for the reds but they now seem to have lost the plot. Why are they still protesting? What do they expect to achieve now? What have they achieved? A general election in a few months time and thats it. Time to go home now.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

Not Thaksin stooges? Sae Daeng saying yesterday that he and the second string leaders were now in charge because that's what Thaksin had ordered ... that pretty much makes them Thaksin stooges.

Not accepting a deal 6-8 weeks ago before the deaths for 20-30 people, that they then basically accepted last week just makes them stooges.

Edited May 11, 201016 yr by whybother

Red Shirt leaders are now taking direction from Thaksin's recently engaged law firm.

A rabble of dissenting ship board lawyers on a precariously listing boat.

They now stand to lose credibility with their own constituency.

Here, Here! I at one point had some sympathy for the reds but they now seem to have lost the plot. Why are they still protesting? What do they expect to achieve now? What have they achieved? A general election in a few months time and thats it. Time to go home now.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

I think they already have.

FF

Red Shirt leaders are now taking direction from Thaksin's recently engaged law firm.

A rabble of dissenting ship board lawyers on a precariously listing boat.

They now stand to lose credibility with their own constituency.

Here, Here! I at one point had some sympathy for the reds but they now seem to have lost the plot. Why are they still protesting? What do they expect to achieve now? What have they achieved? A general election in a few months time and thats it. Time to go home now.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

Not Thaksin stooges? Sae Daeng saying yesterday that he and the second string leaders were now in charge because that's what Thaksin had ordered ... that pretty much makes them Thaksin stooges.

Because you trust every word Sae Daeng says? I think he's a nutter, and a dangerous one. If the crazies are now in charge then that's not the fault of 100,000 protesters who by and large campaigned peacefully, with Bangkok people taking note. Of course after the botched crackdown by a criminal Dep. PM it all went South, but you can hardly blame the 100,000 protesters for that.

Edited May 11, 201016 yr by WinnieTheKhwai

Red Shirt leaders are now taking direction from Thaksin's recently engaged law firm.

A rabble of dissenting ship board lawyers on a precariously listing boat.

They now stand to lose credibility with their own constituency.

Here, Here! I at one point had some sympathy for the reds but they now seem to have lost the plot. Why are they still protesting? What do they expect to achieve now? What have they achieved? A general election in a few months time and thats it. Time to go home now.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

What is a "genuine people's movement"?

A movement of people that gathers and protests out of genuine sense of grievance where that grievance is legitimate?

For sure Seh Daeng and his cohort of merry men are Thaksin's stooges. For sure there are others involved who are not.

The signs from the last two months at Phan Fa and Ratchaprasong: "All We Want Is An Election". Those who hang out for more are Thaksin's stooges.

In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

That statement is naive beyond belief.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

That ship sailed many moons ago.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

What is a "genuine people's movement"?

A movement of people that gathers and protests out of genuine sense of grievance where that grievance is legitimate?

For sure Seh Daeng and his cohort of merry men are Thaksin's stooges. For sure there are others involved who are not.

The signs from the last two months at Phan Fa and Ratchaprasong: "All We Want Is An Election". Those who hang out for more are Thaksin's stooges.

^ Yes, agreed with that in full.

Edited May 11, 201016 yr by WinnieTheKhwai

In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

That statement is naive beyond belief.

No, you simply disagree with it.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

That ship sailed many moons ago.

Clearly not, when as of today PM Abhisit is urging the UDD to accept the compromise. When the tanks move in, that ship will have sailed.

Clearly not, when as of today PM Abhisit is urging the UDD to accept the compromise. When the tanks move in, that ship will have sailed.

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Maybe justy maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Ruling groups do not want the Tanks in Town?

Why?

They are afraid that the red supporters in the army could use the tanks against the current government.

Reds

If it were easy to remove them, they would have already have been removed.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

What is a "genuine people's movement"?

A movement of people that gathers and protests out of genuine sense of grievance where that grievance is legitimate?

For sure Seh Daeng and his cohort of merry men are Thaksin's stooges. For sure there are others involved who are not.

The signs from the last two months at Phan Fa and Ratchaprasong: "All We Want Is An Election". Those who hang out for more are Thaksin's stooges.

^ Yes, agreed with that in full.

For those who are not Thaksin's stooges I'd say that the relationship was/is symbiotic - Thaksin used them and they used Thaksin. Of course what starts as a symbiotic relationship can turn into a parasitic one, and sadly this can lead to the death of the host.

I truly hope that the next few days doesn't see Thaksin's head, wearing the grenade-ring laden hat of Seh Daeng, come bursting out the belly of the protest site like the Alien from John Hurts guts. It is, I fear, entirely possible.

Edited May 11, 201016 yr by Neurath

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

Not Thaksin stooges? Sae Daeng saying yesterday that he and the second string leaders were now in charge because that's what Thaksin had ordered ... that pretty much makes them Thaksin stooges.

Because you trust every word Sae Daeng says? I think he's a nutter, and a dangerous one. If the crazies are now in charge then that's not the fault of 100,000 protesters who by and large campaigned peacefully, with Bangkok people taking note. Of course after the botched crackdown by a criminal Dep. PM it all went South, but you can hardly blame the 100,000 protesters for that.

A "genuine people's movement"? Odd you should say that. I was in a couple of genuine people's movements in my younger days, and we were never paid by an outside source that had an agenda...we were not paid at all.

By the same token, we didn't stand around for two months in a 'protest' or take any violent action. Maybe that's why we succeeded.

In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

That statement is naive beyond belief.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

That ship sailed many moons ago.

actually, its their people's "lack of movement." haha (staying put in their little makeshift forts)

No really, and according their leaders are making the choices. they said they'd go home if he reported to DSI. Now they changed their tune and he has to go to the CSD? What's next? The DEA, FBI, CIA, ....and any other letter name places? This is a wild joke! I am sure after this ends (if we're not all old and dead by then) someone will capitalize on writing a book about the whole ordeal. Not sure if it'll be found in the comedy section, or what not to do section. Oh well, hope something valuable is learned from all of this!

I don't know what things are like after 5000 more people entered the Rajprasong intersection area over the past weekend, but I walked every inch of that camp on 3 May and it was VERY well maintained. I just reviewed the 200+ photos I took that day and can find no evidence to support the claim that this place was garbage strewn, at least while I was on the scene.

They have large plastic bags everywhere for collecting garbage and everyone is using them. I stood next to the huge truck on property that is clearly being used to haul off refuse. The smell of urine reported by one individual is coming from two large buses that have been converted into portable toilet facilities. They do create an odor, but the waste is clearly being collected and not dumped on the street.

I have lived in BKK for many years and visited numerous areas of the city that ARE garbage strewn and/or there is a strong smell of urine…on the ground. Should we then label all people in BKK "dirty cun_ts" as one poster describes the red shirts?

I do NOT support what the red shirts are doing, but the majority of participants are just simple country folk with little education and totally ignorant of what is really going on at higher levels. They are just pawns on a chess board, nothing more.

If you want to vent your frustration over this situation direct it at those responsible, and not the innocent who can't even be faulted for their ignorance. Some of the comments I've read in this thread smack of mob mentality and blatant prejudice. Shame on you!

If you want to base your public opinions solely on what the news media tells you, and/or your observations from the perimeter and then bolt at the first whiff of urine, you do the situation an injustice. This is an historical event that deserves to be reported on accurately and without bias.

When the red shirts moved the barricade away from the hospital in Silom it was reported they made quite a mess, but to their credit they cleaned it all up. If 5000 additional protesters over the weekend got things a bit trashy I bet you will fine it too will get picked up, and not because of the statements of some news reporter or the prejudice comments found in this forum.

They piss and defecate and throw garbage around on the adjacent streets such as Soi Lang Suan, not on the streets where they camp. Try walking along the north end of Soi Lang Suan, the stench of human excrement is almost unbearable and there is rubbish everywhere.

Agreed. In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

"Naive" is really not the word for a statement like this. 'Sad' is more like it. So, when do you think it is all going to end? What will be the NEXT demand?

Interesting, I've just used the same appellation in another post to the individual.

A knave not a fool. As you say, sad.

Regards

"Naive" is really not the word for a statement like this. 'Sad' is more like it. So, when do you think it is all going to end? What will be the NEXT demand?

^ Maybe you don't actually talk to people who like(d) the Reds and/or vote Phua Thai? That would explain why you label the acknowledgement of their aspirations as 'sad'..

When do I think it's all going to end... . I SERIOUSLY hope that enough of the Red Leadership will accept Mr. Abhisits very reasonable offer. Or at the very least Mr. Abhsisit has the opportunity to peel off some of the more reasonable guys in the Red leadership, offer them amnesty, etc. At that time the protest may still disintegrate, or if it does not, then there's not much else to do but send in the army right.

Edited May 11, 201016 yr by WinnieTheKhwai

Put Thggi-ban in the cage and they will go home........thats it...init.....mai die.....

Time to for mark and Co to send in the troops and send the reds back home, this charade has been going on way too long.

Reds keep on coming up with excuses, government has been more then patient enough.

Love the part where they write :Crowds at the Reds' camp, which swelled to as many as 100,000 people in the early days, dwindled to just a few thousand last week as a resolution appeared near and thunder storms dumped heavy rain on the garbage-strewn protes

Never heard of trash bins?

this is a flame posting

cuz how can u react different ....

Red Shirt leaders are now taking direction from Thaksin's recently engaged law firm.

A rabble of dissenting ship board lawyers on a precariously listing boat.

They now stand to lose credibility with their own constituency.

Here, Here! I at one point had some sympathy for the reds but they now seem to have lost the plot. Why are they still protesting? What do they expect to achieve now? What have they achieved? A general election in a few months time and thats it. Time to go home now.

if you dont like it why dont you go home??? its there country not yours, or?

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They piss and defecate and throw garbage around on the adjacent streets such as Soi Lang Suan, not on the streets where they camp. Try walking along the north end of Soi Lang Suan, the stench of human excrement is almost unbearable and there is rubbish everywhere.

they piss and deficate? And you? You urinate i guess.... lol

In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

That statement is naive beyond belief.

Of course they could throw all of that away in the next two days.

That ship sailed many moons ago.

hey sailor not too much moonshine annymore for you...it makes u just rolling on the groundand laughing loud...

They piss and defecate and throw garbage around on the adjacent streets such as Soi Lang Suan, not on the streets where they camp. Try walking along the north end of Soi Lang Suan, the stench of human excrement is almost unbearable and there is rubbish everywhere.

Maybe they've found out where you live>>work?

"Don't shit on your own doorstep" - as they say in London.

Red Shirt leaders are now taking direction from Thaksin's recently engaged law firm.

A rabble of dissenting ship board lawyers on a precariously listing boat.

They now stand to lose credibility with their own constituency.

Here, Here! I at one point had some sympathy for the reds but they now seem to have lost the plot. Why are they still protesting? What do they expect to achieve now? What have they achieved? A general election in a few months time and thats it. Time to go home now.

if you dont like it why dont you go home??? its there country not yours, or?

"its there country not yours, or"

Are you Spanish?

In addition they've proven pretty much beyond doubt that they're a genuine people's movement, and not Thaksin's stooges.

That statement is naive beyond belief.

No, you simply disagree with it.

I disagree with it because it is naive.

The red protesters are brought together by a love of two things: One, Thaksin. Two, making easy money. If you went for a walk amongst them, proof of their first love is all around - pictures, banners, fridge magnets, shirts - you name it, they've got it - and all with Thaksin's name or Thaksin's face emblazened.

Fact is, take Thaksin's involvement away and take the money they are being paid out of the equation, and the vast majority would be on their way home right now.

"Genuine people's movement"??? Pull the other one mate - it's got bells on it.

they piss and deficate? And you? You urinate i guess.... lol

And what about you Sid? A piss-taker is my guess.

Because you trust every word Sae Daeng says? I think he's a nutter, and a dangerous one. If the crazies are now in charge then that's not the fault of 100,000 protesters who by and large campaigned peacefully, with Bangkok people taking note. Of course after the botched crackdown by a criminal Dep. PM it all went South, but you can hardly blame the 100,000 protesters for that.

Khwai, so you are now the judge and jury and have also labeled Suthep, but you only call Sae Daeng a dangerous nutter not a CRIMINAL. Oh how Unbiased we are.

I'm neither a judge nor a jury, something I'm sure most here seriously appreciate. I'm on a discussion forum to take part in a discussion. Sorry if my labeling of the nutters and criminals on both sides doesn't meet your consistency standards. Who is or isn't a criminal will be up to the courts, thankfully. I'm expressing the opinion that neither Suthep (Kasit, etc.) nor Seh Daeng (Jatuporn, etc.) are helping the situation. Abhisit for one IS helping the situation, I've made that clear numerous times as well, yet nobody ever seems to pick up on that.

I'm neither a judge nor a jury, something I'm sure most here seriously appreciate. I'm on a discussion forum to take part in a discussion. Sorry if my labeling of the nutters and criminals on both sides doesn't meet your consistency standards. Who is or isn't a criminal will be up to the courts, thankfully. I'm expressing the opinion that neither Suthep (Kasit, etc.) nor Seh Daeng (Jatuporn, etc.) are helping the situation. Abhisit for one IS helping the situation, I've made that clear numerous times as well, yet nobody ever seems to pick up on that.

Well, Winnie, I've noticed that your posts have become a good deal more moderate in the past couple of weeks.

I reckon you're one of the few on the forum who were able to think past the rhetoric on both sides, to see the good and bad in each. Good on ya, mate

I'm neither a judge nor a jury, something I'm sure most here seriously appreciate. I'm on a discussion forum to take part in a discussion. Sorry if my labeling of the nutters and criminals on both sides doesn't meet your consistency standards. Who is or isn't a criminal will be up to the courts, thankfully. I'm expressing the opinion that neither Suthep (Kasit, etc.) nor Seh Daeng (Jatuporn, etc.) are helping the situation. Abhisit for one IS helping the situation, I've made that clear numerous times as well, yet nobody ever seems to pick up on that.

Sir, it is not of my standards, however, to label and the use of the phrase "the criminal Dep. PM" does not look like a discussion, but seems to engage flaming, is that your cause and desire?

As you explained "Who is or isn't a criminal will be up to the courts" All I am pointing out that your slander towards the Dep. PM is really not needed, as you, yourself stated it is up to the courts.

In the end I do like a lot of your post but you do not need to embellish them with slander to get a point across, right???

Edited May 12, 201016 yr by cougar52

I don't care either way but this has become the laughing stock of many.

"Incompetence" is the word I'm looking for, but somehow I think that doesn't do it justice.

Sir, it is not of my standards, however, to label and the use of the phrase "the criminal Dep. PM" does not look like a discussion, but seems to engage flaming, is that your cause and desire?

As you explained "Who is or isn't a criminal will be up to the courts" All I am pointing out that your slander towards the Dep. PM is really not needed, as you, yourself stated it is up to the courts.

In the end I do like a lot of your post but you do not need to embellish them with slander to get a point across, right???

Slander is only the case when an accusation is untrue.Suthep's corruption and "godfatherly" criminality in his Southern area of influence is a matter of record.Do you in particular have any idea of why Chuan's Democrat government fell and Suthep's role in the land scandal which precipitated it?

Edited May 12, 201016 yr by jayboy