Armoured Vehicles, Army Live Bullets Will Be Used To Surround Red-Shirts From 6pm

[gemini81]

I went to redland 3 times a few weeks back and spoke to a number of people. Mostly I just heard "we hate Abhisit" or "we love Thaksin". When I tried to talk about possible policies to help the poor I got shouted at and moved along. On another occasion I spoke to a lady in English, she told me that she had lived in England for many years, when I told her I thought violence was not the way forward she said "stupid farang, go and kiss Abhisit the farang-lover", foolishly I tried to speak to her about what ideas the red shirts had to benefit the poor, she started screaming hysterically at me and redshirt guards loomed over and manhandled me. A scary experience but I got out okay.

I wanted to refrain from posting on this issue as too many people are already expecting Thailand to function like the West when that will never ever be the case! Seriously, why did you even attempt this? This issue is almost all emotion and a twist of the truths and almost no rationale. The western mind not meeting the Thai heart. Don't go there and don't discuss it as a foreigner with any Thai. Just stay completely out of it.

I'm usually not so blunt but this is just clear as day.

I know what he's saying, they have no solutions or knowledge. but the above is a lesson in how to get shot or assaulted 101!

[frankman]

6:40 hmmm no news yet ... hope the army isn't stuck in traffic and can't make it today

Might be , but thanks for something constructive here in this forum!!!

[Neurath]

"normalcy" is CERTAINLY an acceptable word in English regardless of US, Canada or UK ... open a dictionary.

"A return to normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign promise in the US Presidential election of 1920.

Sorry JC but recent experience has incontrovertibly shown that the fact that a US President uses a word does not entail that it is one - "Misunderestimated" comes to mind

For sure that was not a good example ... I am tired and this whole go / no go show is getting old. I am starting to misunderestimate things.

Yeah I'm sick of it too. They say they're gonna do something and nothing happens and, well, I tell you what, "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

[Gambles]

"normalcy" is CERTAINLY an acceptable word in English regardless of US, Canada or UK ... open a dictionary.

"A return to normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign promise in the US Presidential election of 1920.

I prefer the English version "normality" to the American English "normalcy" but I would be grateful for either right now in The CofA

[grumpyoldman]

It's 6.20pm and so far there are no reports of cannibalism at Rajasaprong.

Yet to hear from the Donner Kebab Party so far.

But McDonalds is closed and Rambo Esaan is already getting hungry

McDonald's delivers, unlike the red leaders, the PM, insert ineffective organization here.....

Lazarus, the avatar is hilarious but a little brown spraypaint in PS could've smoothed out the corners on the right........

[frodo]

Jatuporn Promphan, a red-shirt leader, announced Thursday that he would dispatch red-shirt protesters to confront troops and police at every security point.

And I was looking forward to seeing him go at them with his bare hands

Saw Sae Daeng on Tele about 20min ago saying Thaksin has confirmed the 2nd generation leaders are in charge and if any of the leaders old or new try to leave the will shoot them.

Non violent????? even against his own

And to think that people get rather pissed off at posters on TV who don't want anyone killed, but would rather have the protesters/terrorists leave and for others to turn themselves in for charges against them. All peacefully of course. Yet, they have the gall to support Sae-Daeng as the hero of red democracy who will shoot and kill his own people! Smart thinking there.

[lazurus]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

[csolgosz]

I went to redland 3 times a few weeks back and spoke to a number of people. Mostly I just heard "we hate Abhisit" or "we love Thaksin". When I tried to talk about possible policies to help the poor I got shouted at and moved along. On another occasion I spoke to a lady in English, she told me that she had lived in England for many years, when I told her I thought violence was not the way forward she said "stupid farang, go and kiss Abhisit the farang-lover", foolishly I tried to speak to her about what ideas the red shirts had to benefit the poor, she started screaming hysterically at me and redshirt guards loomed over and manhandled me. A scary experience but I got out okay.

I wanted to refrain from posting on this issue as too many people are already expecting Thailand to function like the West when that will never ever be the case! Seriously, why did you even attempt this? This issue is almost all emotion and a twist of the truths and almost no rationale. The western mind not meeting the Thai heart. Don't go there and don't discuss it as a foreigner with any Thai. Just stay completely out of it.

I'm usually not so blunt but this is just clear as day.

I know what he's saying, they have no solutions or knowledge. but the above is a lesson in how to get shot or assaulted 101!

Yeah, I went there and they tried to get me to sit with them and share their som tum! Poot Thai reuh wow Issan mai/ boh dai mai krup? 5555555

[nickupton]

I went to redland 3 times a few weeks back and spoke to a number of people. Mostly I just heard "we hate Abhisit" or "we love Thaksin". When I tried to talk about possible policies to help the poor I got shouted at and moved along. On another occasion I spoke to a lady in English, she told me that she had lived in England for many years, when I told her I thought violence was not the way forward she said "stupid farang, go and kiss Abhisit the farang-lover", foolishly I tried to speak to her about what ideas the red shirts had to benefit the poor, she started screaming hysterically at me and redshirt guards loomed over and manhandled me. A scary experience but I got out okay.

I wanted to refrain from posting on this issue as too many people are already expecting Thailand to function like the West when that will never ever be the case! Seriously, why did you even attempt this? This issue is almost all emotion and a twist of the truths and almost no rationale. The western mind not meeting the Thai heart. Don't go there and don't discuss it as a foreigner with any Thai. Just stay completely out of it.

I'm usually not so blunt but this is just clear as day.

Of course you are correct. As I stated, I foolishly spoke to them. Just I have lived here a long time, have a family and business here and was very frustrated by these people's antics.

Frustration can make people do stupid things.

[khunjamespittman]

Shame on the red supporters for even beginning to believe that the government wishes to kill innocent people, even more shameful is that the propaganda photos featuring little tykes and the elderly are being used to show that these are the terrorists.

The real terrorists and the ones that have created the bloodshed are these red shirted terrorists. You know the ones without weapons and striving for peace.

Yes, these reds are a very peaceful and loving lot.

how do you know the army were not killing red shirts for no good reason???

who lost more ppl?

they've got a history for killing protesters, havent they?

At this point the better question would be ... who really cares?

My guess is the civilized world. Sorry you're not included.

[frankman]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

that's what we need NOW from everbody ...INFORMATION WHAT IS GOING ON... with the future of this beautyfull country!!!

[jcbangkok]

STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS AND TELL US FROM EVERYWHERE WHAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE!!! KINDERGARDEN HERE...

Reporting Live from Huay Kwang ...

I see a bunch of Thais standing around the food carts on the road. See others going in and out of 711 while others still are hailing Taxi's moe-cyes. Also see one old, fat and bald farang with a what appears to be a much younger and skinny Thai girl going into the 711.

[gemini81]

"normalcy" is CERTAINLY an acceptable word in English regardless of US, Canada or UK ... open a dictionary.

"A return to normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign promise in the US Presidential election of 1920.

I prefer the English version "normality" to the American English "normalcy" but I would be grateful for either right now in The CofA

god, who cares! its off topic. and the debate is like comparing isaan or south thai to BKK thai. local dialect. none is correct or incorrect, local language that develops over time. hope that ends it.

[stingray]

They are stupid / uneducated people from up country, and I bet some of them can't even explain why they are there, apart from getting some money!!!

Have you tried asking some of them? I assume you did, otherwise the above would be foolish beyond belief. Or dare I say, 'uneducated'..

We have been asking this question for weeks with NO result.

Why don't you tell us?

Please spare us the dissolution and we want democracy blather.

Tell us what policies they want to see implemented.

Kowchai mai?

I went to redland 3 times a few weeks back and spoke to a number of people. Mostly I just heard "we hate Abhisit" or "we love Thaksin". When I tried to talk about possible policies to help the poor I got shouted at and moved along. On another occasion I spoke to a lady in English, she told me that she had lived in England for many years, when I told her I thought violence was not the way forward she said "stupid farang, go and kiss Abhisit the farang-lover", foolishly I tried to speak to her about what ideas the red shirts had to benefit the poor, she started screaming hysterically at me and redshirt guards loomed over and manhandled me. A scary experience but I got out okay.

From my experience it is clear that most redshirts do not understand the electoral system of Thailand. It is also clear that democracy is just a word they have hijacked, nothing they do is democratic; they trample all over the democratic rights of others such as restricting their freedom to travel and go to work, a number of them sell their vote (I have seen this in person and it was caught on video, leading to the downfall of the Somchai government), they either participate in or turn a blind eye to extreme violence, they have repeatedly shown no respect for protestors holding a different view to theirs by attacking yellow shirt protests whenever they happened, attacking the Silom protest and intimidating the leader of the multicoloured shirts, their leaders were not elected and the leaders make decisions without consulting the grass roots of the movement.

On top of these things the redshirts come across as generally vile people; they cheer as people are injured, they attack ambulances, they raid hospitals, they lecture us on double standards but then want to dictate the terms of justice they face, they lecture us on equality whilst the leaders gorge on FatDonalds in airconditioned rooms whilst the rest much on somtam in the heat, they publish material which incites violence then try and defend it as freedom of speech, they insult our intelligence when every time there is a grenade attack they claim it wasn't them even though everybody but redshirts are attacked and one of their number boasts about his blackshirted army, they repeatedly change their demands like a spoilt child in a play pen, they have rejected a perfectly good opportunity to end this situation peacefully and proceed towards a fairer society and improved medias with an early election and finally they support an international fugitive who when he was PM bought elections through bribing MPs and the electorate, plunged to new depths for Human Rights and set new records for corruption and nepotism.

There comes a time when a line must be drawn. The behaviour of the reds does not deserve inclusion in the next step of democracy. The government must take the right steps to ensure the safety and freedom of all the people in Thailand who are not involved in anarchy and lawlessness under the guise of a protest in downtown Bangkok. They must also take steps to ensure that this cannot happen again.

I hope that the army do not go in guns blazing as firstly many innocent rice farmers would get killed and secondly because it would give more propoganda power to the reds. I hope that the red leaders can be caught and brought to justice, given long sentences.

I will stick my neck on the line and say that I WOULD like to see bloodshed, but only this. I would hope to see Seh Daeng tried by a Court Martial and executed by firing squad to demonstrate that this sort of insubordination that threatens civil war will not be tolerated. If this was the only other death in this situation I would be perfectly satisfied.

Most of those in "redland", never understand where the money comes from. If no farang here, they would never have all this nice houses, new cars, where you see there in some places, and their daughters (or sons) would be not beable to support their families from the tourist places like Pattaya Phuket. They would working in the ricefields for 60 Baht a day instead of liiving a nice life in Pattaya.

Maybe i'm wrong, but my personal view: It's very common that many of peaple in "redland" only want money from farangs, but actually hate us. I stay here for 16 years, but i never travel to "redland" and i'll never support (directly) any families there. If things gonna heat up, maybe we foreigners have to move away. I'm happy that i never lock up money in any property overhere.

[agord]

STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS AND TELL US FROM EVERYWHERE WHAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE!!! KINDERGARDEN HERE...

??? huh ??? I don't mean to continue on with the English debate but....?

[h90]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

I got told water was cut but not phone....but my infos could be outdated......No one can call and tell that the phone is cut

[BSJ]

It's got to the point that everytime I hear the word 'crackdown'.....I crack-up.....laughing that is!

[lazurus]

Some residents in Rajprasong area have reported water supply has stopped. Electricity and mobile phone still usable.

Again, twitter, but keep in mind residents around Rajprasong may have been out of work for more than a month so water bills might have not been paid.

[ozzieman05]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

It only takes one

then the whole pyramid collapses

How can he get out of thailand

being such a well know person surely he would be spotted at out going immigration

[h90]

Some residents in Rajprasong area have reported water supply has stopped. Electricity and mobile phone still usable.

Again, twitter, but keep in mind residents around Rajprasong may have been out of work for more than a month so water bills might have not been paid.

From tulsathit: There are cellular signals around Rajprasong but reporters said they can't use their mobile phones at the heart of the rally site.

[frodo]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

I got told water was cut but not phone....but my infos could be outdated......No one can call and tell that the phone is cut

The Nation: There are cellular signals around Rajprasong but reporters said they can't use their mobile phones at the heart of the rally site.

Looks like Abhisit is serious this time and about time as well.

[beejoir]

Wireless Road and Phetchburi is deadly silent.

[jcbangkok]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

Anybody know if Thai news channels have the capability to report live from the scene without cell coverage? The only live images I ever see are horrible and appear to be over cell lines but later they will have the same pictures at much higher and cleaner resolution. Always assumed that happened once they got the actual tape back to the studio.

As of now, see nothing on the TV.

[h90]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

It only takes one

then the whole pyramid collapses

How can he get out of thailand

being such a well know person surely he would be spotted at out going immigration

Going with the boat to Cambodia and don't pass the Immigration

Going on the land to Cambodia (without Immigration as Sae Daeng told he did).

Hide in Thailand and tell you are in England so they don't search in Thailand.

I am sure there are other ways also....

[agord]

STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS AND TELL US FROM EVERYWHERE WHAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE!!! KINDERGARDEN HERE...

Reporting Live from Huay Kwang ...

I see a bunch of Thais standing around the food carts on the road. See others going in and out of 711 while others still are hailing Taxi's moe-cyes. Also see one old, fat and bald farang with a what appears to be a much younger and skinny Thai girl going into the 711.

Reporting from Phuket where it is about to rain also I too have seen a rather portly retirement aged fellow going into a 7-11 with a much younger Thai girl. Other tourists are on the side of the road waiting to be ripped off by the newly formed taxi mafia. There is normalcy or erm normalty or normalicy.

[minburi2]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

I got told water was cut but not phone....but my infos could be outdated......No one can call and tell that the phone is cut

just spoke now 18.51 with my friend from Pathunam center and phones are not cut but army everywhere putting up defence barriers

Edited May 13, 2010 by minburi2

[JonnyWilkinson]

It's time to get the reds out and whilst we're at it a few Septics who's grammar is exceptionally atrocious and Crocodile Dundee wannabe's from down under wouldn't go a miss.

[Neurath]

STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS AND TELL US FROM EVERYWHERE WHAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE!!! KINDERGARDEN HERE...

Reporting Live from Huay Kwang ...

I see a bunch of Thais standing around the food carts on the road. See others going in and out of 711 while others still are hailing Taxi's moe-cyes. Also see one old, fat and bald farang with a what appears to be a much younger and skinny Thai girl going into the 711.

OMG! Are they armed!

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Most of those in "redland", never understand where the money comes from. If no farang here, they would never have all this nice houses, new cars, where you see there in some places, and their daughters (or sons) would be not beable to support their families from the tourist places like Pattaya Phuket. They would working in the ricefields for 60 Baht a day instead of liiving a nice life in Pattaya.

Wow. The sad thing though is that this by far isn't the most inane thing you read on this forum.

Out of curiosity though, where/what is Redland?

Maybe i'm wrong, but my personal view: It's very common that many of peaple in "redland" only want money from farangs, but actually hate us. I stay here for 16 years, but i never travel to "redland" and i'll never support (directly) any families there.

!

[dobadoy]

STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS AND TELL US FROM EVERYWHERE WHAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE!!! KINDERGARDEN HERE...

Reporting Live from Huay Kwang ...

I see a bunch of Thais standing around the food carts on the road. See others going in and out of 711 while others still are hailing Taxi's moe-cyes. Also see one old, fat and bald farang with a what appears to be a much younger and skinny Thai girl going into the 711.

BIG NEWS on Soi Silom - young Thai girl spotted with THAI man, not a 7-11 in sight.