Germany and Japan are very strange now, two countries peaceful on the surface but a fierce war between the sexes.

And now look at this current war between the nationalist countries, US Israel Russia vs the globalist western countries that are all accepting Chinese hegemony.

Imagine how strange these globalist countries will be in the future when things go to <deleted> like the last time. It will be like Germany and Japan now except with open borders. Germany by the way being one of those countries, so they will be hit with a double whammy. Japanese men have managed to keep their women safe but they themselves can't even deal with their own women anyways so they're not much better off atm in terms of continuing their civilization

Edited August 16Aug 16 by harvardgrad

Used to live and work in Japan and unfortunately they do have commies wanting open borders.

This is what I am concerned about:

Native/near-native total fertility rates (TFR, children per woman), latest available data around 2025–2026

Germany (German-citizen mothers) 1.20

Japan 1.14

Sub-Saharan Africa ~4.1–4.2

Northern Africa ~2.85

Western Asia (core Middle East) ~2.50

Africa + Middle East/North Africa (approx. combined)~3.5

3 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

Germany and Japan are very strange now, two countries peaceful on the surface but a fierce war between the sexes.

a fierce war between the sexes ?

Maybe an explanation for us ?

3 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

all accepting Chinese hegemony.

Really ?

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

a fierce war between the sexes ?

Maybe an explanation for us ?

Really ?

Cheers....I read his post three or four times and was starting to worry I might have had mini-stroke.

I wonder what his previous posting name was.

dont do drugs

9 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

Germany and Japan are very strange now, two countries peaceful on the surface but a fierce war between the sexes.

And now look at this current war between the nationalist countries, US Israel Russia vs the globalist western countries that are all accepting Chinese hegemony.

Imagine how strange these globalist countries will be in the future when things go to <deleted> like the last time. It will be like Germany and Japan now except with open borders. Germany by the way being one of those countries, so they will be hit with a double whammy. Japanese men have managed to keep their women safe but they themselves can't even deal with their own women anyways so they're not much better off atm in terms of continuing their civilization

You saying WHAAAT?

Honestly you need to explain

I thought I was reading an excerpt of a Trump speech.

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You saying WHAAAT?

Honestly you need to explain

Im saying that being on the losing side sucks and you should switch around your mindset to one of europe following America instead of going in another direction. Otherwise you will end up on the losing side. Look at what Germans and japs are like now. Dont let the future of your country turn into this

15 minutes ago, harvardgrad said:

Im saying that being on the losing side sucks and you should switch around your mindset to one of europe following America instead of going in another direction. Otherwise you will end up on the losing side. Look at what Germans and japs are like now. Dont let the future of your country turn into this

Europe should treat both the USA and China with respect, cooperate where our interests align, but not become dependent on either. We also have to be careful about what technology we allow ourselves to depend on, whether it comes from China or the USA.

The same goes for social media. We should protect our data, our infrastructure and ourselves from damaging algorithms designed to keep people hooked, angry or divided. Dependence is dependence, no matter which side it comes from.

Ironically, Germany and Japan lost WWII and still became wealthy, stable and powerful countries. So simply being on the “winning side” is not much of an argument for blindly following anyone. Right now it is difficult for Europe to blindly follow the USA when it is acting increasingly recklessly and showing less consideration for its allies.

10 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

Used to live and work in Japan and unfortunately they do have commies wanting open borders.

This is what I am concerned about:

Native/near-native total fertility rates (TFR, children per woman), latest available data around 2025–2026

Germany (German-citizen mothers) 1.20

Japan 1.14

Sub-Saharan Africa ~4.1–4.2

Northern Africa ~2.85

Western Asia (core Middle East) ~2.50

Africa + Middle East/North Africa (approx. combined)~3.5

Regarding TFR. Any society, like Japan or Thailand, where you see simp husbands and boyfriends pushing a woman’s dog around in a baby stroller—stick a fork in it; they’re done.

What I often wonder about both Germany and Japan is how younger people feel about their history in the 20th century. Japan was a warring nation for nearly 50 years until it was finally stopped in 1945. The havoc that it wreaked across Asia is barely describable. The hatred amongst many Chinese and Koreans exist to this day. The same applies to Germany although the reign of terror was shorter. I don't think there are many people that hold the actions of the Third Reich against the average German these days. I find them to be very decent and likable people.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the battle of the sexes and I think many of us would enjoy an explanation on that thesis.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

What I often wonder about both Germany and Japan is how younger people feel about their history in the 20th century. Japan was a warring nation for nearly 50 years until it was finally stopped in 1945. The havoc that it wreaked across Asia is barely describable. The hatred amongst many Chinese and Koreans exist to this day. The same applies to Germany although the reign of terror was shorter. I don't think there are many people that hold the actions of the Third Reich against the average German these days. I find them to be very decent and likable people.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the battle of the sexes and I think many of us would enjoy an explanation on that thesis.

I think Japan did see many of the mistakes made, but the history is more complicated than just saying Japan was a warring nation for 50 years.

Japan had centuries of warrior rule and military tradition, but also a long period of internal peace. What it kept was its independence, warrior culture and strong national pride. Then it faced Western colonial powers, Russian expansion, a weakened China being carved up, and growing pressure over resources and trade. Japan had very few natural resources of its own and became heavily dependent on imported oil and raw materials. The later US embargoes and asset freezes increased that pressure even more.

None of that makes what Japan did in China, Korea and elsewhere right. Japan became a brutal imperial power itself. But they had seen what colonial powers were doing throughout Asia, and if we want to understand why Japan took that road, we have to look at the whole chain, not just the final result.

Germany is a bit different. Modern Germany has spent generations confronting its past, and I do not see much hatred today toward ordinary Germans because of what the Third Reich did. Could you elaborate on where you see that hatred coming from?

A little history lesson.

China was already weakened internally by corruption, population pressure, fiscal problems and enormous rebellions such as the Taiping Rebellion. But Western imperial powers made the situation considerably worse. Britain defeated China in the Opium Wars, and Britain, France,

Russia, the US and others imposed the so-called unequal treaties, gaining ports, trade privileges, extraterritorial rights and other concessions.

Japan watched this happening. It also saw Western gunboats force Japan itself to open in the 1850s. Japanese leaders understood very clearly what had happened to China and concluded that Japan had to modernize rapidly or risk the same fate.

So when Japan later looked at China, it saw a huge neighboring empire that had been weakened partly by its own internal problems and partly by decades of Western and Russian pressure. Japan then exploited that weakness and became an imperial power itself.

This makes the story much more complete: the Western colonial powers helped create the Asian power environment that Japan then learned to play very aggressively.

Sources

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/china-1?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/opening-to-japan?utm_source=chatgpt.com

3 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

Im saying that being on the losing side sucks and you should switch around your mindset to one of europe following America instead of going in another direction. Otherwise you will end up on the losing side. Look at what Germans and japs are like now. Dont let the future of your country turn into this

I thought Germany was following America? And Japan too?

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I'm not sure what this has to do with the battle of the sexes and I think many of us would enjoy an explanation on that thesis.

I think he means the Japanese are not having sex and the Germans are battling feminists with a low birth rate. Which is true enough, but this applies to pretty much every country. He may think there is a link between loss in war and having troublesome gender relations. However, the causes for this are more complex.

51 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I thought Germany was following America? And Japan too?

I think he means the Japanese are not having sex and the Germans are battling feminists with a low birth rate. Which is true enough, but this applies to pretty much every country. He may think there is a link between loss in war and having troublesome gender relations. However, the causes for this are more complex.

As per the OP can you think of any countries stranger than those two? With cultures and relations more unnatural? You've been to these two places and you dont just feel the guilt radiating off these folk?

Edited August 16Aug 16 by harvardgrad

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

I think Japan did see many of the mistakes made, but the history is more complicated than just saying Japan was a warring nation for 50 years.

Japan had centuries of warrior rule and military tradition, but also a long period of internal peace. What it kept was its independence, warrior culture and strong national pride. Then it faced Western colonial powers, Russian expansion, a weakened China being carved up, and growing pressure over resources and trade. Japan had very few natural resources of its own and became heavily dependent on imported oil and raw materials. The later US embargoes and asset freezes increased that pressure even more.

None of that makes what Japan did in China, Korea and elsewhere right. Japan became a brutal imperial power itself. But they had seen what colonial powers were doing throughout Asia, and if we want to understand why Japan took that road, we have to look at the whole chain, not just the final result.

Germany is a bit different. Modern Germany has spent generations confronting its past, and I do not see much hatred today toward ordinary Germans because of what the Third Reich did. Could you elaborate on where you see that hatred coming from?

A little history lesson.

China was already weakened internally by corruption, population pressure, fiscal problems and enormous rebellions such as the Taiping Rebellion. But Western imperial powers made the situation considerably worse. Britain defeated China in the Opium Wars, and Britain, France,

Russia, the US and others imposed the so-called unequal treaties, gaining ports, trade privileges, extraterritorial rights and other concessions.

Japan watched this happening. It also saw Western gunboats force Japan itself to open in the 1850s. Japanese leaders understood very clearly what had happened to China and concluded that Japan had to modernize rapidly or risk the same fate.

So when Japan later looked at China, it saw a huge neighboring empire that had been weakened partly by its own internal problems and partly by decades of Western and Russian pressure. Japan then exploited that weakness and became an imperial power itself.

This makes the story much more complete: the Western colonial powers helped create the Asian power environment that Japan then learned to play very aggressively.

Sources

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/china-1?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/opening-to-japan?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I do agree there's a very long history in that region that led up to the aggression that we saw in the 20th century in Asia, however no amount of reasoning or justification can explain the March of Bataan, or the Rape of Nanking. That was cruelty, sadism and horror inflicted on a level rarely seen in the last few centuries.

An interesting study would be what compelled the Imperial Japanese Navy and the Third Reich to behave in such a spectacularly horrific manner.

4 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

As per the OP can you think of any countries stranger than those two? With cultures and relations more unnatural? You've been to these two places and you dont just feel the guilt radiating off these folk?

Back in the sixties, I was working with both Germans and Japanese on a mining project.

The attitudes were markedly different. The Germans, referred to as the Fourth Reich behind their backs, were still p!ssed off they lost, and still thought of themselves as the master race. The Japanese had the attitude we had a war, we lost, move on.

Perhaps guilt developed in succeeding generations. I never saw it.

58 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Back in the sixties, I was working with both Germans and Japanese on a mining project.

The attitudes were markedly different. The Germans, referred to as the Fourth Reich behind their backs, were still p!ssed off they lost, and still thought of themselves as the master race. The Japanese had the attitude we had a war, we lost, move on.

Perhaps guilt developed in succeeding generations. I never saw it.

Yeah the new ones have really changed alot. They are both still far right at heart, but completely stripped of masculinity

"The hatred amongst many Chinese and Koreans exist to this day...."

Absolutely. I teach science to many primary grade Chinese students 'online'. If we discuss earthquakes/tsunami, (where discussion of Japan would naturally come up), I have learnt to completely avoid mentioning Japan, because these students (10 years old), will loudly declare that ALL Japanese people - young and old - should be put to death in the most painful manner! Clearly, this has been drummed into them by either their parents or teachers, (and I suspect the latter). Unbelievable! (well, sadly it is believable...)

9 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

As per the OP can you think of any countries stranger than those two? With cultures and relations more unnatural? You've been to these two places and you dont just feel the guilt radiating off these folk?

I spent a while in Germany, I wouldn't say they are filled with excessive guilt, barring a small minority of ultra left who put up banners "Bomber Harris do it again". One shouldn't mistake a coterie of politicians, small in number, that were groomed by the Atlantikbruecke to affect German guilt and publicly proclaim it, as the people. Israel of course shamelessly abused whatever guilt there was and extracted billions of USD on that basis from Germany, but deep down the majority of Germans do not feel guilty in the slightest. And why should they? The crimes of WWII were committed by a tiny minority of Germans, only 100,000 at most.

Germany is a strange place though. Very polite people on the surface, but with a capacity to let the blonde beast hang out, and certainly no way near as friendly as Thais, or even Americans, or Brits. That's probably because Germans are highly intelligent, all intelligent people are very dangerous. Chinese and Vietnamese and Japanese too are strange, not because of guilt, but because they are so intelligent.

Edited August 17Aug 17 by Cameroni

I don't see too many similarities between Japan and Germany. I guess I'm missing something.

I do know Japan rather well, having lived and worked there for many years. I know there are some difficulties today between the genders, but some of that is understandable. The males of Japan effed up a few times, and finally women decided they needed to exert some influence. (Similar to what Japanese females did when they were prevented from learning Kanji....they developed hiragana.)

Japanese males effed up once starting WWII. Thy effed up again in the late 1980s, and the economy barely recovered. Their stock market peaked in 1989, and didn't achieve a new high for three and a half decades---and that partly because bankrupt companies were replaced in the indices (same as the Dow from 1929 to 1954).

The 1980s in Japan were all about males saying "food, bath, sleep" to their wives. The women got a little tired of that, being essentially slaves, while hubby ran around in hostess bars and came home drunk demanding she serve him. That was particularly difficult for women to accept seeing how badly the males effed up their economy.

Japanese wives began to seek solace outside of marriage. Japanese girls began to express both their own carnal ambitions as well as becoming entrepreneurial or career minded. Western males who happened to live in Japan realized the belief "Japanese are not having sex" was not exactly accurate. The women certainly were having sex, maybe just not so much with Japanese males. Now the males come to Thailand and either purchase carnal affections on Bangkok's Thaniya Street, or maybe young Japanese males hit the ladyboy bars of Nana. I see lots of 20-something Japanese guys walking hand-in-hand with what to me are obvious ladyboys. I often wonder if the Japanese know, or get surprised later back in the room.

I remember reading an article in the Japan Times back around the turn of the century that noted Japanese "OLs" (office ladies) coming to Bangkok, hitting the boy bars, and hiring a male dancer for the duration of their Thai vacation. It became a fad. I guess it's like Brit women who go to Gambia. They're shunning their male peers for the kind of physical and emotional performance they need, but which either misogynist males or weak males cannot deliver.

There's never been a better time, perhaps in all of human history, to be a confident male who is naturally respectful of women. Feminism has not quashed basic female desire for sexual intimacy and caring. For the rest of the faux Alphas, you'll always have Trump and each other.

Enjoy!

4 minutes ago, Wingate said:

I don't see too many similarities between Japan and Germany. I guess I'm missing something.

I do know Japan rather well, having lived and worked there for many years. I know there are some difficulties today between the genders, but some of that is understandable. The males of Japan effed up a few times, and finally women decided they needed to exert some influence. (Similar to what Japanese females did when they were prevented from learning Kanji....they developed hiragana.)

Japanese males effed up once starting WWII. Thy effed up again in the late 1980s, and the economy barely recovered. Their stock market peaked in 1989, and didn't achieve a new high for three and a half decades---and that partly because bankrupt companies were replaced in the indices (same as the Dow from 1929 to 1954).

The 1980s in Japan were all about males saying "food, bath, sleep" to their wives. The women got a little tired of that, being essentially slaves, while hubby ran around in hostess bars and came home drunk demanding she serve him. That was particularly difficult for women to accept seeing how badly the males effed up their economy.

Japanese wives began to seek solace outside of marriage. Japanese girls began to express both their own carnal ambitions as well as becoming entrepreneurial or career minded. Western males who happened to live in Japan realized the belief "Japanese are not having sex" was not exactly accurate. The women certainly were having sex, maybe just not so much with Japanese males. Now the males come to Thailand and either purchase carnal affections on Bangkok's Thaniya Street, or maybe young Japanese males hit the ladyboy bars of Nana. I see lots of 20-something Japanese guys walking hand-in-hand with what to me are obvious ladyboys. I often wonder if the Japanese know, or get surprised later back in the room.

I remember reading an article in the Japan Times back around the turn of the century that noted Japanese "OLs" (office ladies) coming to Bangkok, hitting the boy bars, and hiring a male dancer for the duration of their Thai vacation. It became a fad. I guess it's like Brit women who go to Gambia. They're shunning their male peers for the kind of physical and emotional performance they need, but which either misogynist males or weak males cannot deliver.

There's never been a better time, perhaps in all of human history, to be a confident male who is naturally respectful of women. Feminism has not quashed basic female desire for sexual intimacy and caring. For the rest of the faux Alphas, you'll always have Trump and each other.

Enjoy!

While living there I was friends with an older French woman who just got married with a Japanese guy and at the bar just kept telling me how weak they all are while she was drinking. I saw the owner of that bar, a young jap guy get drunk in a other bar one time and witnessed him shoving a girl he took out of the bar into the taxi while her friend was screaming.

I would say its Japanese men's fault but I've had relationships with older and younger women there and the only conclusion I can come to for certain is thats is too strange of a place for anyone to think about investing or planning a future in. Have a mixed child there and see how they're treated. I'd say they view them there as some form of cancer. As opposed to mixed thai kids who commonly become celebrities here

Edited August 17Aug 17 by harvardgrad

Behind the squeeky clean image of Japan outside, when inside, one can but point out a highly corrupt, ruthless and patriarchal society where the deadly japanese Yakuza mafia has a strong hand in their government.

Poor Germany is no better with all the left wing dogma that is ruining the economy and the country, also thanks to the absurd laws imposed by Brusels.

Edited August 17Aug 17 by Sigmund

22 hours ago, saintdomingo said:

I wonder what his previous posting name was.

yalegrad

A Yale man and a Harvard man go into the urinals. After a piss, Harvard man says, "Aren't you going to wash your hands?" "At Yale, they teach is not to piss on our hands."

Edited August 17Aug 17 by unblocktheplanet
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7 hours ago, Wingate said:

I don't see too many similarities between Japan and Germany. I guess I'm missing something.

I do know Japan rather well, having lived and worked there for many years. I know there are some difficulties today between the genders, but some of that is understandable. The males of Japan effed up a few times, and finally women decided they needed to exert some influence. (Similar to what Japanese females did when they were prevented from learning Kanji....they developed hiragana.)

Japanese males effed up once starting WWII. Thy effed up again in the late 1980s, and the economy barely recovered. Their stock market peaked in 1989, and didn't achieve a new high for three and a half decades---and that partly because bankrupt companies were replaced in the indices (same as the Dow from 1929 to 1954).

The 1980s in Japan were all about males saying "food, bath, sleep" to their wives. The women got a little tired of that, being essentially slaves, while hubby ran around in hostess bars and came home drunk demanding she serve him. That was particularly difficult for women to accept seeing how badly the males effed up their economy.

Japanese wives began to seek solace outside of marriage. Japanese girls began to express both their own carnal ambitions as well as becoming entrepreneurial or career minded. Western males who happened to live in Japan realized the belief "Japanese are not having sex" was not exactly accurate. The women certainly were having sex, maybe just not so much with Japanese males. Now the males come to Thailand and either purchase carnal affections on Bangkok's Thaniya Street, or maybe young Japanese males hit the ladyboy bars of Nana. I see lots of 20-something Japanese guys walking hand-in-hand with what to me are obvious ladyboys. I often wonder if the Japanese know, or get surprised later back in the room.

I remember reading an article in the Japan Times back around the turn of the century that noted Japanese "OLs" (office ladies) coming to Bangkok, hitting the boy bars, and hiring a male dancer for the duration of their Thai vacation. It became a fad. I guess it's like Brit women who go to Gambia. They're shunning their male peers for the kind of physical and emotional performance they need, but which either misogynist males or weak males cannot deliver.

There's never been a better time, perhaps in all of human history, to be a confident male who is naturally respectful of women. Feminism has not quashed basic female desire for sexual intimacy and caring. For the rest of the faux Alphas, you'll always have Trump and each other.

Enjoy!

In my youth, it was the Japanese office girls at Whistler. They didn't come for the skiing, just came to look hot. Picking ripe fruit from the tree. They sure couldn't be that free back in Japan.

Don't Japanese women treat men like Kings?

I heard a foreigner who had to sleep on a sofa, had the Japanese woman do so and she was horrified and refused when he insisted he take the sofa.

we should have nuked germany too

33 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

we should have nuked germany too

There was no need to; Germany had already been destroyed. 

40 minutes ago, TedG said:

There was no need to; Germany had already been destroyed. 

Yes, but you're not jewish and think about this rationally. If you were jewish you too would have a fear and hatred of Germans, given that the Germans exterminated the jews like stray dogs.

Edited August 17Aug 17 by Cameroni

2 hours ago, TedG said:

There was no need to; Germany had already been destroyed. 

we should have rolled the russians up too

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, but you're not jewish and think about this rationally

normal folks think about it rationally. jew haters dont