Thousands Of Thai Protesters Defy Deadline To Leave

[jcbangkok]

I don't know if it's allowed to link here ... but...

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but that sounds to me like another empty promise

DELETE THE LINK before you get yourself suspended and read the forum rules ... almost all places are ok to link to but the Post is one of 3 you cannot.

I edited already,... why isn't it allowed anyway,... and besides. I'm so busy I don't have the freaking time to go through detailed forum rules.

As I said or edited... The UDD's next statement to quit the rally if the army backs down, sounds to me like another empty promise...

The rules are fairly straight forward except for 2 ... the No posting links or stories from the Post as well as two other sources which I believe is the API and some paper in Phucket, The other is more detailed but if you just don't ever mention the Monarchy or the Royal Family you don't have to worry.

As for why in terms of the linking to those news sources ... I THINK ThaiVisa tried to work deals with them as the did with The Nation and it not only didn't work out but those papers threatened legal action if they used them as news sources .... could be talking out of my azz but that is my understanding.

Edited May 18, 2010 by jcbangkok

[Neilly]

Invade hospital yes and wrong

Shoot RPG at hotel . Any proof ? None

A new report in this morning's Bangkok paper has the information you seek regarding the grenades that hit the 22nd and 14th floors of the hotel and was followed by bullet fire being sprayed against it.

High on amphetamines taking out their aggressions on ghosts

[HAL9000]

How long do you think the rural poor will tolerate society ignoring them?

Of course they are not going home.

[yoshiwara]

How long do you think the rural poor will tolerate society ignoring them?

Of course they are not going home.

Some protesters have even thrown things at stage when told that reds would end their part in violence. /via @tulsathit

...until Thaksin stops paying probably.

[jdinasia]

There may be no other choice that doesn't involve killing people.

clockworkorange,

oh several of these posters fully understand what you say full well.

some are simply ignorant, but others know well enough that innocence is dying daily here. and they know that their declared policies are formulae for death, pain, grief and destruction.

not only of committed reds, but of children.

thai blood is precisely what they want.

Weng, please post your drivel only once, we know you want to keep your ass out of jail, hope it ain't going to happen but there is no one here who can help you

I'll bet you that an amnesty does happen, whether you like it or not.

And it won't be the first time. Were you around during the riots in 1992? Suchinda still plays golf, sits on company boards of directors and enjoys unfettered freedom, despite all the calls for his scalp while people were dying on the streets.

I think you are comparing apples to oranges. Who on the red side has Suchinda's status? Things have changed some since 1992. Thaksin was convicted and ran away just prior to the verdict. Chavalit might get a pass if he is involved as heavily as some people suggest. Jatuporn and Nattuwatt will more than likely go down. Arsiaman certainly will. Weng might be able to plead diminished capacity but with his personal history he is likely to go down too. Veera ... well ... is Veera even amongst the living and free?

Abhisit is unlikely to survive this politically. Korn is his probable successor.

Much of how this plays out will be determined by how much the government can prove in conspiracy cases aginst the leaders PUBLICLY. If they have what I think they might have, then it might even be possible for Abhisit to return as a big name in politics in a few years.

[animatic]

I don't know if it's allowed to link here ... but...

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but that sounds to me like another empty promise

DELETE THE LINK before you get yourself suspended and read the forum rules ... almost all places are ok to link to but the Post is one of 3 you cannot.

I edited already,... why isn't it allowed anyway,... and besides. I'm so busy I don't have the freaking time to go through detailed forum rules.

As I said or edited... The UDD's next statement to quit the rally if the army backs down, sounds to me like another empty promise...

In light of this announcement moments ago it certainly does:

Jatuporn: Everyone must stay focused. We've come too far to surrender.redshirts arnd Bangkok & provincs shud stay tuned for news /v @veen_NT

Allegedly educated MP or not,

I don't see this guy coming to a good end.

Way too wrapped up in his own blather,

and none too tightly wrapped.

[TheItaliann]

If the Thai gov was going to act, from a political perspective, it would have been during all the chaos, as that was when the Reds looked their worst. They have backed off again now... So I would expect for people to go back to work Monday... For the Military to be gone completely. For the blockades to be back up and Reds still where they are... When will the reds leave? Maybe never.

The government does not have the stomach for a crackdown and also is unwilling to give any leverage in a political deal.

How much longer can this go on? fuc_king Christ.

[animatic]

Red protesters have booed off leaders' attempt to negotiate a ceasefire with govt. /via @tulsathit

Some protesters have even thrown things at stage when told that reds would end their part in violence. /via @tulsathit

The red leaders are discovering that have created a monster that can no longer control....

That's the problem with mass indoctrination, it eventually supersedes the indoctrinators.

[A_Traveller]

He who rides the tiger.....

Regards

PS Problem may be the tiger will not choose its next meal so carefully

[JohnLeech]

Gregb: Did you ever ask yourself why a certain very important person was so adamantly against Thaksin? He certainly didn't care that much about money. There is obviously a different reason for that.

Yes, I did. I also considered how little I would care about money if I had "sufficient" (and if I had five times as much as Thaksin at his peak that would be more than sufficient).[/font]

Actually it was the other way around and Thaksin had more, albeit not five times more.

I have not seen the relevant bank accounts, however as I recall Thaksin was never credited with more than 7 billion dollars, while Forbes credited the other individual referred to with 35 billion dollars. I believe 7 x 5 still equals 35.

[JohnLeech]

My wife told me, there are some rumours arround that the red guards not let anyone out (quit), even if they want go. But as i said, these are rumours only.

Not sure if this is accurate but look at the account on this page from JOHN TAYLOR, FROM LONDON, UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8684405.stm the 3rd one from the top

I don't know whether its accurate or not, but his account makes little sense as his view that things are "disgusting" and that his block is about to be smoked out asphyxiating women and children is no more than pure speculation.

It is certainly not universally true: my sister-in-law still goes in every evening to add her support and leaves every moning to go to work (and she isn't being paid by anyone). She gets past the military checkpoints by smiling and saying she lives there (which I suppose is partially true!).

[JohnLeech]

Where do you get your information from..... perhaps you have a Thai wife..? Do your own research.....

And where do you get yours from, such as the 200,000 baht reward for dying and the 30 million baht payouts to the red leaders?

Smoke, mirrors and spin are just that, whichever side they come from.

[JohnLeech]

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The red leaders must be taken and charged with the full extent of treason, terrorism and murder, to make a lesson out of them. Then the lesser players who were just street fighters can be given amnesty. To give amnesty to the leaders, is to create a future where these monsters are allowed to play in the government. That cannot be allowed.

But its fine for the "yellow" monsters, whose unchallenged example inspired this, to be allowed to play in the government?

Or for their "money trail" to remain uninvestigated?

Far fom supporting one side or the other, I am condemning both. They are two sides of the same coin, except one appears to be shinier than the other.

[TheItaliann]

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The red leaders must be taken and charged with the full extent of treason, terrorism and murder, to make a lesson out of them. Then the lesser players who were just street fighters can be given amnesty. To give amnesty to the leaders, is to create a future where these monsters are allowed to play in the government. That cannot be allowed.

But its fine for the "yellow" monsters, whose unchallenged example inspired this, to be allowed to play in the government?

Or for their "money trail" to remain uninvestigated?

Far fom supporting one side or the other, I am condemning both. They are two sides of the same coin, except one appears to be shinier than the other.

The hope is that the Yellow side will win and precede to correct previous mistakes bringing social classes closer together.

[offissa]

Another good article from the Herald. Uncomfortable reading for both sides I think.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/why...00518-vc3b.html

[JetsetBkk]

link below gives a short summary of the social/political development in Thailand. Interesting read

http://jinpeili.blogspot.com/2010/05/long-...chaprasong.html

Thanks for the link - an excellent read.

[hyperdimension]

It seems like the UDD has effectively become a cult that will go all the way to the end, even if it means death/suicide:

Jatuporn: Everyone must stay focused. We've come too far to surrender.

“If you insist on brutality, we will stay here persistently, and we will tell our people, ‘Do not be afraid’,” said Weng Tojirakarn, a senior Red Shirt leader. “Stay here, do not fight back, and let them shoot us.”

I have read a lot of news articles, but I have not come across any that refer to all the brainwashing that has been going on for months. I think it needs to be covered.

The mental health of the protesters need to be checked, especially after this:

Red protesters have booed off leaders' attempt to negotiate a ceasefire with govt. /via @tulsathit

Some protesters have even thrown things at stage when told that reds would end their part in violence. /via @tulsathit

Edited May 18, 2010 by hyperdimension

[Arkady]

Thaksin's new lawyer bowled out for a duck on Al Jazeera.

[Arkady]

Thaksin's new lawyer bowled out for a duck on Al Jazeera.

[jcbangkok]

Gregb: Did you ever ask yourself why a certain very important person was so adamantly against Thaksin? He certainly didn't care that much about money. There is obviously a different reason for that.

Yes, I did. I also considered how little I would care about money if I had "sufficient" (and if I had five times as much as Thaksin at his peak that would be more than sufficient).[/font]

Actually it was the other way around and Thaksin had more, albeit not five times more.

I have not seen the relevant bank accounts, however as I recall Thaksin was never credited with more than 7 billion dollars, while Forbes credited the other individual referred to with 35 billion dollars. I believe 7 x 5 still equals 35.

Complete and utter BS. Forbes used assets that are held in trust for Thailand. Do a little research. Not only that, they made a huge blunder by attributing ALL assets of the CPB directly to one person. Kind of like saying the CEO of a billion dollar company is worth at least a billion because he is in charge of the company. There is a clear reason why Forbes doesn't include royal families in their list of richest people ... it is because it is easy to attribute wealth to them that they would never in a million years use and is for the benefit of their country.

And Thaksin was the richest person in Thailand right before he supposedly gave up all but 5% of his major business assets (by law) in order to legally qualify to become PM and avoid conflict of interest.

Funny thing is that Thaksin said in an interview that his wife told him he was already rich enough and there was no reason for him to get into politics. He said he wished he had listened to her.

[lilkitty]

Gregb: Did you ever ask yourself why a certain very important person was so adamantly against Thaksin? He certainly didn't care that much about money. There is obviously a different reason for that.

Yes, I did. I also considered how little I would care about money if I had "sufficient" (and if I had five times as much as Thaksin at his peak that would be more than sufficient).[/font]

Actually it was the other way around and Thaksin had more, albeit not five times more.

I have not seen the relevant bank accounts, however as I recall Thaksin was never credited with more than 7 billion dollars, while Forbes credited the other individual referred to with 35 billion dollars. I believe 7 x 5 still equals 35.

Thou shall not cry if thou burn thee fingers with fire.

You guys are playing with fire.

[Chaimai]

I have not seen the relevant bank accounts, however as I recall Thaksin was never credited with more than 7 billion dollars, while Forbes credited the other individual referred to with 35 billion dollars. I believe 7 x 5 still equals 35.

Thou shall not cry if thou burn thee fingers with fire.

You guys are playing with fire.

Such sound advice from one so new.

[Siam Simon]

He who rides the tiger.....

Regards

PS Problem may be the tiger will not choose its next meal so carefully

That's right. Bangkok always thought it was riding a donkey. the donkey turned into a tiger. a very large one. Lets hope that Bangkok realises it's mistake, and the tiger doesn't turn out to be extraordinarily hungry .

[ItsMeMike]

He who rides the tiger.....

Regards

PS Problem may be the tiger will not choose its next meal so carefully

That's right. Bangkok always thought it was riding a donkey. the donkey turned into a tiger. a very large one. Lets hope that Bangkok realises it's mistake, and the tiger doesn't turn out to be extraordinarily hungry .

You get 7500 free internet credits for that awesome allegory.

[BKMITCH]

Would you call that boy looking over the tyres a human shield.I suggest you print something factual.My thioughts would have been,he is showing the boy to the soldiers to show that he is there.

NOW

If someone had said the boy should not be there i would have agreed but dont spout crap on here

That's what a human shield is - "don't shoot at us behind standing behind the red barricades because we have brought our children here."

You are correct. It is bad enough for grown ups to be there, but children, what was he thinking.

[yoshiwara]

.....

The red leaders must be taken and charged with the full extent of treason, terrorism and murder, to make a lesson out of them. Then the lesser players who were just street fighters can be given amnesty. To give amnesty to the leaders, is to create a future where these monsters are allowed to play in the government. That cannot be allowed.

But its fine for the "yellow" monsters, whose unchallenged example inspired this, to be allowed to play in the government?

Or for their "money trail" to remain uninvestigated?

Far fom supporting one side or the other, I am condemning both. They are two sides of the same coin, except one appears to be shinier than the other.

Yes, we know which one that is for your org.

[DarwinK]

Thaksin's new lawyer bowled out for a duck on Al Jazeera.

Fascinating video. "Bowled out for a duck" --translation?--cricket speak for struck out or fumbled the ball?

I see Thaksin's new lawyer praises the Newsweek piece: http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2010/05/new..._on_thaksin.htm

What a clown.

[george]

Closed. This story continues here:

Red-Shirt Leaders Turn Themselves In At National Police Office

Rajprasong rally ends; protesters to go home

Full story:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Red-Shirt-Le...al-t366886.html

Live updates Wednesday:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Bangkok-Red-...html&st=100