PM Abhisit Challenges Thaksin

[rixalex]

Thailand has turned into a dictatorship under his leadership.

Which country are you posting from?

Why is that important ?

Didn't think so.

[shrekroma]

If Abhisit would just return to his country of birth and stay there

Who would you have replace him? He is about the best we can hope for.

This is the result for exploiting/abusing system just to pave a smooth way for one person.

Now we need to 'expect' who will win first. Then we can decide should we have an election or not.

Thailand is more closer to military-elite-backed regime.

[Siripon]

Meanwhile, Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanich disclosed that the government is looking to sue Thaksin and red-shirt leaders for compensation for economic damages that occurred during the most recent red-shirt protest, which amounts to an estimated 3 billion US dollars, or 98 billion baht.

The more I learn about FM Korn, the more I like the guy. If the Thai people asked me to appoint the next PM, I'd pick him, with Ms Porntip as his deputy. May I add to above press release: Not just Thaksin and the Red Shirt leaders should be held accountable and sued, but also any members of T's family who contributed to the recent Red rallies - though it could be argued that they too are Red Shirt leaders.

Korn is a strong candidate for the leader of the next Democrat party if the executives get banned over the next year. He wasn't an executive at the time of the alleged offences.

[ballpoint]

...Not just Thaksin and the Red Shirt leaders should be held accountable and sued, but also any members of T's family who contributed to the recent Red rallies - though it could be argued that they too are Red Shirt leaders...

They could certainly get his brother for blackmail. He is clearly on record as saying the protests would stop if Thaksin was exonerated of all crimes. The whole family is not so far removed from a bunch of cheap hoods and their protection rackets. "Nice little city you've got here, be a shame if anything happened to it... Oops, did your shopping centre just burn down? Oh dear. Can't have been me, I was in Montenegro at the time, but bring me back and I'll sort it all out for you. It'd be a right shame should anything else happen, wouldn't it?".

Edited May 30, 2010 by ballpoint

[HAL9000]

Abhisit yesterday also laughed off Thaksin's claims he did not want to return to Thailand because he feared he would be assassinated.

"This government does everything in accordance with the law. Only the other side has been instigating violations of the law in this country," he said.

Is it possible Seh Daeng's death was not a government assassination?

[kissdani]

The more I learn about FM Korn, the more I like the guy. If the Thai people asked me to appoint the next PM, I'd pick him, with Ms Porntip as his deputy. May I add to above press release: Not just Thaksin and the Red Shirt leaders should be held accountable and sued, but also any members of T's family who contributed to the recent Red rallies - though it could be argued that they too are Red Shirt leaders.

Korn is a strong candidate for the leader of the next Democrat party if the executives get banned over the next year. He wasn't an executive at the time of the alleged offences.

The dissolution of the democrats will come before September and not in the next year.

Korn and other Bangkok based MP will join New Politics Party. The 'New Democrats' will become a more regional party of the south.

Khunying Pronthip will not join politics.

[Ulysses G.]

Abhisit yesterday also laughed off Thaksin's claims he did not want to return to Thailand because he feared he would be assassinated.

"This government does everything in accordance with the law. Only the other side has been instigating violations of the law in this country," he said.

Is it possible Seh Daeng's death was not a government assassination?

It could have been other redshirts that he threatened. It could have been the businesspeople whose livelihoods were being destroyed. He had many enemies.

[chantorn]

PM Abhisit Challenges Thaksin

Reminds me of

Freddy vs. Jason

http://www.google.co.th/images?q=freddy+vs+jason

[jdinasia]

Abhisit yesterday also laughed off Thaksin's claims he did not want to return to Thailand because he feared he would be assassinated.

"This government does everything in accordance with the law. Only the other side has been instigating violations of the law in this country," he said.

Is it possible Seh Daeng's death was not a government assassination?

It could have been other redshirts that he threatened. It could have been the businesspeople whose livelihoods were being destroyed. He had many enemies.

It could have been some PAD guy as revenge for previous grenade attacks. It could have been Thaksin for spouting his name as the leader of the reds once too often. It could have been someone from the military acting on his own. It could have been someone from the military acting on orders to take out command and control of the Ronin. It could have been the kid of someone killed in the hunt for communists in the past ....... There is an almost endless list.

[ThisIsMadness]

It is a fact that once Khun Thaksin's funds run out that he will be a man without a country. Even Montenegro will not want him. I suspect that if he does not invest there his welcome will be withdrawn and he will flee to another even smaller enclave. Should all of the funds seized by the government with the latest court rulings be funneled away so that he cannot attain them through whatever means, his presence will be a liability to whoever is harboring him. Just keep the pressure on him financially and he will soon have nowhere to roost. Starve him out via his loss of money.

I would also suggest that those monies seized be used to rebuild and refurbish all that Khun Thaksin has helped destroy. Rebuild the government buildings burnt out in the NE and Chiang Mai. Supply funding to those businesses in Bangkok that the supporters of the exiled PM destroyed. Pay back the country he helped set afire with the funds he and his family acquired through ill means. Karma...........

Let's put that in perspective. To run out of funds as a billionaire -

Thaksin would have to spend USD30M a day for a year to spend 1 billion. He has multiples. So lesson here is - he ain't going to run out of money any time soon!

You have obviously have never had any real money ,if that is the way you think it works

He is not spending a giro mate !

Lets try this scenario

You can come in to Monetenegro,and have the protection of our country and what that gives to you in interational travel priviliges(until EU membership is at the door) but you have to release to the goverment 200 - 300 million dollars for investment ,goverment bonds etc etc

However it has been set up

And lets not forget what he also given to the other countries he has visited,that will have cost him

As soon as the heat is too much for any of them,he will be kicked out on his arse

Thats it,they have set him up for a long con

As soon as Thaksin,started on his little trip to all those litttle tin pot countries years ago,theywere just waiting for him to land on there shores,its money in the bank

There money now,not his

He is an easy target for a roll, and it really will be proven later to be as simple as that

The money will stay in Montenegro,and will be impounded with full legality as Thaksin will have international warrants including fraud etc etc still outstanding which they will use to prove they have to sieze the funds

Now repeat that scenario many times in the next year, and add in to the mix other factors such as the need to continue his funding of the reds (either partly or fully,it does not matter) and soon

A diferent story will appear,and yes the money will run out quick !!!

But panic will set in way before then for the Shinawatras

And they will try another end game

[scorecard]

If Abhisit would just return to his country of birth and stay there, Thailand could go forward with its long, long reconciliation phase. With the waters polluted with the hi-so hate-speech of Abhisit, Kasit and others, nothing good can happen.

Who do u think should be Prime Minister ??

Nattakorn Devakula. Will take a couple more years though.

Still, you heard it here first.

You, must be joking, this guy is all over the place, unbalanced and he's ben shown to contradict himself numerous times.

Also quite impolite.

[Humungus]

To Humungus

So, in your country if some other country ask from your government some of your citizens - that one will be extradited?

For your government would be well enogh to do it if there is just arrest warrant?

Your government will do that without any proof? Just because of arrest warrant and accusation?

I am trying to imagine if that happened in England, England would extradite any citizen for request of some banana republic, let's say in Africa, just based on arrest warrant of Police in that country? eVEN IF EVERY ONE KNOWS THERE pOLICE AND PAPER CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY ONE?

I doubt.

There is always a chance to make a trial in England to English citizens and that is what would and should do any country.

Accusations about terrorism are very seripous and is not enoughsomeone just said that in arrest warrang.

Something more heavy is needed, i think.

Yes, in my country if someone commits a crime against another country they can be sent to face the charges in the other country. That's what extradition treaties are all about. They are agreements between countries to respect each others' laws and deport persons to prevent them from hiding from justice. An arrest warrant is what is needed to take someone to court, that is where guilt is determined. I'm sorry you have so little respect for Thailand that you think its institutions are a joke and that they are unable to seek justice for the murder of their own citizens. Arrest warrants are usually based on evidence meaning a judge is convinced that there are grounds to bring charges against that person. I'm not sure what more you want or what is heavy enough for you. Maybe you are waiting for a videotaped confession, but that is not necessary, although some of Thaksin's videochats might be just that. Arrest warrants for Terrorism aren't just purchased at 7-11 and are not something to be taken lightly by other nations.

Humungus,make just ONE thing in propper and FAIR way, will you? Way you talk is really boring and so much you are blindfolded by your idol Mr.A. or you are well paid to defending him for his mistakes?

Warning you this time man:don't imput to me what i didn't say.

Where i said i have a little respect for Thailand and it's institutions? Show me where isaid that?

Just because you dislike i am speaking against method your idol used in BKK should not be the reason you be rotten about my words here.

Don't twist my words and meanings.

Otherwise i will think all you are saying about my words is personal so you could hear of me.

I am reading all posts here and i said i am aside.

Even more, i liked Abhisit when he was in campaign but that doesn't mean i will be at his side even he make something wrong. Read carefully my posts so you will see i was very clear that i am neutral and i am telling to all people to don't be flamable about reds but also yellows.

So, please, don't twist my words and don't imput to me words i didn't say.

Next, to explain to you things and way it works.

What you said here can not be done as Montenegro don't have any established relations with Thailand in diplomacy. Can you understand what does it mean? Exactly as PM said, will be "harder" to get Thaksin now. This is the reason he said so.

So, the only way Thailand have to try is to make official request from Interpol.

As you are speaking about institutions in Thailand and its capabilities, can you explain to all of us why Thailand and Mr. Abhisit didn't already ask Interpol officialy and before his statement in medias?

Why they didn't first prepare all in official way, respecting and following procedure about it? What do you think is reason they didn't make official request to Interpol?

And, i will ask for your personal oppinion, do you think Thailand will make official request to Interpol at all? When?

In your post you claimed that the police and papers can say whatever they want, you seem to think that they aren't fair and balanced. To me that suggests that you don't have much respect for them. I didn't interpret your all caps rant as saying the police in Thailand are super duper. Abhisit is not my idol, I do however think that he has been put in a position few world leaders would envy and has had to make tough decisions about the best interests of Thailand. If your paymaster Thaksin hadn't started the protests Abhisit could have spent time governing instead of dealing with this crisis. Of course Thailand will make a request to interpol, please remember that only 10 days have past since the protests ended. Further charges could be added against your dear leader, as it is the ink is barely dry on his existing arrest warrant, so give the diplomats more than 5 minutes before you claim that they haven't taken action. Montenegro is a haven for criminals which is why Thaksin is hiding there, the caves in Afghanistan must not be up to his 5 star expectations. Fortunately Thaksin doesn't seem to like it too much and travels abroad constantly. I will eagerly await your next personal message, they are ever so fun to read.

[Tony Clifton]

Djukanovic said Thaksin had been an elected Thai premier whose government was brought down by a military coup.

Correct me if I am wrong

At the time of the Coup there was no legal government in power

Thaskin was caretaker PM and did not call an election as per the constitution

The coup was to stop a bloody massacre that was about to unfold on the streets of Bangkok

It was not to bring down a government

as at this time there was no constitutional government in power

Please correct me if I am wrong

There had been massive cheating at the previous election and even as caretaker govt they were getting ready to do the same all over again and worse in the upcoming election (rubber stamps instead of pens to mark a vote, making every ballot look the same to avoid comparing mass produced hand written ballots. NO PENS at many booths, repositioning of booths so voters could be intimidated, and on and on, , Thaksin had the carpet pulled out from under him .

[kissdani]

If Abhisit would just return to his country of birth and stay there, Thailand could go forward with its long, long reconciliation phase. With the waters polluted with the hi-so hate-speech of Abhisit, Kasit and others, nothing good can happen.

Who do u think should be Prime Minister ??

Abhisit has damaged the country far more than he has healed it.

Thailand has turned into a dictatorship under his leadership.

Even a dog or a marble statue as PM now would be better than Abhisit by virtue of the fact that Abhisit is part of the problem, not the solution.

I second that.

[ThisIsMadness]

If Abhisit would just return to his country of birth and stay there, Thailand could go forward with its long, long reconciliation phase. With the waters polluted with the hi-so hate-speech of Abhisit, Kasit and others, nothing good can happen.

Who do u think should be Prime Minister ??

Abhisit has damaged the country far more than he has healed it.

Thailand has turned into a dictatorship under his leadership.

Even a dog or a marble statue as PM now would be better than Abhisit by virtue of the fact that Abhisit is part of the problem, not the solution.

I second that.

And that was it ,was it

I second that

Thanks for the input Archimedes

[ThisIsMadness]

The more I learn about FM Korn, the more I like the guy. If the Thai people asked me to appoint the next PM, I'd pick him, with Ms Porntip as his deputy. May I add to above press release: Not just Thaksin and the Red Shirt leaders should be held accountable and sued, but also any members of T's family who contributed to the recent Red rallies - though it could be argued that they too are Red Shirt leaders.

Korn is a strong candidate for the leader of the next Democrat party if the executives get banned over the next year. He wasn't an executive at the time of the alleged offences.

The dissolution of the democrats will come before September and not in the next year.

Korn and other Bangkok based MP will join New Politics Party. The 'New Democrats' will become a more regional party of the south.

Khunying Pronthip will not join politics.

Bloody hel_l,with the connections and knowledge you have

Maybe you should be the next PM

[scorecard]

It is a fact that once Khun Thaksin's funds run out that he will be a man without a country. Even Montenegro will not want him. I suspect that if he does not invest there his welcome will be withdrawn and he will flee to another even smaller enclave. Should all of the funds seized by the government with the latest court rulings be funneled away so that he cannot attain them through whatever means, his presence will be a liability to whoever is harboring him. Just keep the pressure on him financially and he will soon have nowhere to roost. Starve him out via his loss of money.

I would also suggest that those monies seized be used to rebuild and refurbish all that Khun Thaksin has helped destroy. Rebuild the government buildings burnt out in the NE and Chiang Mai. Supply funding to those businesses in Bangkok that the supporters of the exiled PM destroyed. Pay back the country he helped set afire with the funds he and his family acquired through ill means. Karma...........

Let's put that in perspective. To run out of funds as a billionaire -

Thaksin would have to spend USD30M a day for a year to spend 1 billion. He has multiples. So lesson here is - he ain't going to run out of money any time soon!

You have obviously have never had any real money ,if that is the way you think it works

He is not spending a giro mate !

Lets try this scenario

You can come in to Monetenegro,and have the protection of our country and what that gives to you in interational travel priviliges(until EU membership is at the door) but you have to release to the goverment 200 - 300 million dollars for investment ,goverment bonds etc etc

However it has been set up

And lets not forget what he also given to the other countries he has visited,that will have cost him

As soon as the heat is too much for any of them,he will be kicked out on his arse

Thats it,they have set him up for a long con

As soon as Thaksin,started on his little trip to all those litttle tin pot countries years ago,theywere just waiting for him to land on there shores,its money in the bank

There money now,not his

He is an easy target for a roll, and it really will be proven later to be as simple as that

The money will stay in Montenegro,and will be impounded with full legality as Thaksin will have international warrants including fraud etc etc still outstanding which they will use to prove they have to sieze the funds

Now repeat that scenario many times in the next year, and add in to the mix other factors such as the need to continue his funding of the reds (either partly or fully,it does not matter) and soon

A diferent story will appear,and yes the money will run out quick !!!

But panic will set in way before then for the Shinawatras

And they will try another end game

Let's see:

- Private jet either bought or leased, either way quite a number of millions of US$

- Mecahnical maintenance of the jet, pilots, other on board staff, would quickly run into hundreds of thousands of US$ per year

- Fuel, far from cheap especially for trip across several continents continuously, hundreds of thousands of US$ per year

- Landing and parking fees at numerous airports, hotels etc for staff on trips, hundreds of thousand a year

- The complex in dubai / the villa in Montenagro - a million each per year for rent

- Household staff and running expenses - hundreds of thousands a year.

- Paying off people all over the place

And forecasts of his wealth assume that his business deals are bringing a return which is not necessarily trur - diamond mining in Africa, can u imagine the scaly characters involved and how much you could trust them?

[brahmburgers]

Even a dog or a marble statue as PM now would be better than Abhisit

That made me laugh - and reminded me of a line in the movie Amadeus. The young Mozart is being questioned by the King and his advisers of why he (Mozart) wants to write an opera in German rather than the language always used at that time: Italian. And also grilled about why he's straying from using classical themes taken from ancient Greece and Rome. Mozart replies; "those old themes are so archaic, it's as though the characters are shitting marble."

...Not just Thaksin and the Red Shirt leaders should be held accountable and sued, but also any members of T's family who contributed to the recent Red rallies - though it could be argued that they too are Red Shirt leaders...

They could certainly get his brother for blackmail. He is clearly on record as saying the protests would stop if Thaksin was exonerated of all crimes. The whole family is not so far removed from a bunch of cheap hoods and their protection rackets. "Nice little city you've got here, be a shame if anything happened to it... Oops, did your shopping centre just burn down? Oh dear. Can't have been me, I was in Montenegro at the time, but bring me back and I'll sort it all out for you. It'd be a right shame should anything else happen, wouldn't it?".

"...Not just Thaksin and the Red Shirt leaders should be held accountable and sued, but also any members of T's family who contributed to the recent Red rallies - though it could be argued that they too are Red Shirt leaders..." was actually a recent quote from me, brahmburgers, which Siriporn got twisted in to his post. Tripped over hyper text again, did we? I do it all the time. It's worse than banana peels my Laotian girlfriend tosses on the terrace floor.

[Democrat]

Yes, in my country if someone commits a crime against another country they can be sent to face the charges in the other country. That's what extradition treaties are all about. They are agreements between countries to respect each others' laws and deport persons to prevent them from hiding from justice. An arrest warrant is what is needed to take someone to court, that is where guilt is determined. I'm sorry you have so little respect for Thailand that you think its institutions are a joke and that they are unable to seek justice for the murder of their own citizens. Arrest warrants are usually based on evidence meaning a judge is convinced that there are grounds to bring charges against that person. I'm not sure what more you want or what is heavy enough for you. Maybe you are waiting for a videotaped confession, but that is not necessary, although some of Thaksin's videochats might be just that. Arrest warrants for Terrorism aren't just purchased at 7-11 and are not something to be taken lightly by other nations.

Humungus,make just ONE thing in propper and FAIR way, will you? Way you talk is really boring and so much you are blindfolded by your idol Mr.A. or you are well paid to defending him for his mistakes?

Warning you this time man:don't imput to me what i didn't say.

Where i said i have a little respect for Thailand and it's institutions? Show me where isaid that?

Just because you dislike i am speaking against method your idol used in BKK should not be the reason you be rotten about my words here.

Don't twist my words and meanings.

Otherwise i will think all you are saying about my words is personal so you could hear of me.

I am reading all posts here and i said i am aside.

Even more, i liked Abhisit when he was in campaign but that doesn't mean i will be at his side even he make something wrong. Read carefully my posts so you will see i was very clear that i am neutral and i am telling to all people to don't be flamable about reds but also yellows.

So, please, don't twist my words and don't imput to me words i didn't say.

Next, to explain to you things and way it works.

What you said here can not be done as Montenegro don't have any established relations with Thailand in diplomacy. Can you understand what does it mean? Exactly as PM said, will be "harder" to get Thaksin now. This is the reason he said so.

So, the only way Thailand have to try is to make official request from Interpol.

As you are speaking about institutions in Thailand and its capabilities, can you explain to all of us why Thailand and Mr. Abhisit didn't already ask Interpol officialy and before his statement in medias?

Why they didn't first prepare all in official way, respecting and following procedure about it? What do you think is reason they didn't make official request to Interpol?

And, i will ask for your personal oppinion, do you think Thailand will make official request to Interpol at all? When?

In your post you claimed that the police and papers can say whatever they want, you seem to think that they aren't fair and balanced. To me that suggests that you don't have much respect for them. I didn't interpret your all caps rant as saying the police in Thailand are super duper. Abhisit is not my idol, I do however think that he has been put in a position few world leaders would envy and has had to make tough decisions about the best interests of Thailand. If your paymaster Thaksin hadn't started the protests Abhisit could have spent time governing instead of dealing with this crisis. Of course Thailand will make a request to interpol, please remember that only 10 days have past since the protests ended. Further charges could be added against your dear leader, as it is the ink is barely dry on his existing arrest warrant, so give the diplomats more than 5 minutes before you claim that they haven't taken action. Montenegro is a haven for criminals which is why Thaksin is hiding there, the caves in Afghanistan must not be up to his 5 star expectations. Fortunately Thaksin doesn't seem to like it too much and travels abroad constantly. I will eagerly await your next personal message, they are ever so fun to read.

Humungus I am just not sure about what you said. If someone commits a crime in your country against another country they can be sent to face the charges in the other country. That's what extradition treaties are all about. I think it depends on whether that country's laws are the same as well. The person being extradited can challenge that extradition in that countries court and if he wins he will not be extradited. Also for example if you go to Singapore and paint graffitti everywhere and leave the country. If singapore try to extradite them from many countries it would not happen. I think it is because in singapore they will get caned if found guilty and most other countries do not agree with this type of punishment. There are many laws in countries that are regarded as against Human rights and right to life. Thaksin is a good example correct me if I am wrong, but in Thailand terrorism charges can receive a death penalty. You may find that many countries will not extradite Thaksin due to the fact that he could receive the death penalty. Just check this website http en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

Also if you have a quick look at human rights, un, reporters without borders, you will see why many people hold little respect for the police and army in Thailand. There are good army and police personnell in Thailand. I cannot understand that some crimes and very serious crimes are solved in a very short amount of time, and others are never solved. The case of the New years eve bombings 2007. 3 months later the police dropped investigating it. Why?

By the way Thaksin did the crime he should pay the time. Abhis or thugs do the crime pay the time. Same for all.

About having respect for the police they have to earn it! There was a blog not so long ago fines imposed by police. read that blog and see how many people have respect for the police.

[Humungus]

Yes, in my country if someone commits a crime against another country they can be sent to face the charges in the other country. That's what extradition treaties are all about. They are agreements between countries to respect each others' laws and deport persons to prevent them from hiding from justice. An arrest warrant is what is needed to take someone to court, that is where guilt is determined. I'm sorry you have so little respect for Thailand that you think its institutions are a joke and that they are unable to seek justice for the murder of their own citizens. Arrest warrants are usually based on evidence meaning a judge is convinced that there are grounds to bring charges against that person. I'm not sure what more you want or what is heavy enough for you. Maybe you are waiting for a videotaped confession, but that is not necessary, although some of Thaksin's videochats might be just that. Arrest warrants for Terrorism aren't just purchased at 7-11 and are not something to be taken lightly by other nations.

Humungus,make just ONE thing in propper and FAIR way, will you? Way you talk is really boring and so much you are blindfolded by your idol Mr.A. or you are well paid to defending him for his mistakes?

Warning you this time man:don't imput to me what i didn't say.

Where i said i have a little respect for Thailand and it's institutions? Show me where isaid that?

Just because you dislike i am speaking against method your idol used in BKK should not be the reason you be rotten about my words here.

Don't twist my words and meanings.

Otherwise i will think all you are saying about my words is personal so you could hear of me.

I am reading all posts here and i said i am aside.

Even more, i liked Abhisit when he was in campaign but that doesn't mean i will be at his side even he make something wrong. Read carefully my posts so you will see i was very clear that i am neutral and i am telling to all people to don't be flamable about reds but also yellows.

So, please, don't twist my words and don't imput to me words i didn't say.

Next, to explain to you things and way it works.

What you said here can not be done as Montenegro don't have any established relations with Thailand in diplomacy. Can you understand what does it mean? Exactly as PM said, will be "harder" to get Thaksin now. This is the reason he said so.

So, the only way Thailand have to try is to make official request from Interpol.

As you are speaking about institutions in Thailand and its capabilities, can you explain to all of us why Thailand and Mr. Abhisit didn't already ask Interpol officialy and before his statement in medias?

Why they didn't first prepare all in official way, respecting and following procedure about it? What do you think is reason they didn't make official request to Interpol?

And, i will ask for your personal oppinion, do you think Thailand will make official request to Interpol at all? When?

In your post you claimed that the police and papers can say whatever they want, you seem to think that they aren't fair and balanced. To me that suggests that you don't have much respect for them. I didn't interpret your all caps rant as saying the police in Thailand are super duper. Abhisit is not my idol, I do however think that he has been put in a position few world leaders would envy and has had to make tough decisions about the best interests of Thailand. If your paymaster Thaksin hadn't started the protests Abhisit could have spent time governing instead of dealing with this crisis. Of course Thailand will make a request to interpol, please remember that only 10 days have past since the protests ended. Further charges could be added against your dear leader, as it is the ink is barely dry on his existing arrest warrant, so give the diplomats more than 5 minutes before you claim that they haven't taken action. Montenegro is a haven for criminals which is why Thaksin is hiding there, the caves in Afghanistan must not be up to his 5 star expectations. Fortunately Thaksin doesn't seem to like it too much and travels abroad constantly. I will eagerly await your next personal message, they are ever so fun to read.

Humungus I am just not sure about what you said. If someone commits a crime in your country against another country they can be sent to face the charges in the other country. That's what extradition treaties are all about. I think it depends on whether that country's laws are the same as well. The person being extradited can challenge that extradition in that countries court and if he wins he will not be extradited. Also for example if you go to Singapore and paint graffitti everywhere and leave the country. If singapore try to extradite them from many countries it would not happen. I think it is because in singapore they will get caned if found guilty and most other countries do not agree with this type of punishment. There are many laws in countries that are regarded as against Human rights and right to life. Thaksin is a good example correct me if I am wrong, but in Thailand terrorism charges can receive a death penalty. You may find that many countries will not extradite Thaksin due to the fact that he could receive the death penalty. Just check this website http en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

Also if you have a quick look at human rights, un, reporters without borders, you will see why many people hold little respect for the police and army in Thailand. There are good army and police personnell in Thailand. I cannot understand that some crimes and very serious crimes are solved in a very short amount of time, and others are never solved. The case of the New years eve bombings 2007. 3 months later the police dropped investigating it. Why?

By the way Thaksin did the crime he should pay the time. Abhis or thugs do the crime pay the time. Same for all.

About having respect for the police they have to earn it! There was a blog not so long ago fines imposed by police. read that blog and see how many people have respect for the police.

I think painting graffiti and sponsoring terrorism are a little different in seriousness. Thailand may have to agree not to seek the death penalty in order to extradite Thaksin depending on where he is apprehended. You will find that in any country a percentage of crimes go unsolved it isn't a problem unique to Thailand. I think you are confused if you think the police and government enforcing the law is a crime. The security forces have an obligation to protect Thai citizens and it is not a crime to fight terrorism. Giving them two months to protest while they were breaking the law in many ways shows a lot of restraint, the numerous attempts at negotiations shows the government did not rush into a fight. The reds had the opportunity to have elections and end the protest peacefully, they choose violence instead, which is not acceptable. You will also find that people have little respect for the UN and for reporters without borders. Thaksin has said that the UN is not his father, so he won't be worried about their opinion on his extradition. I have no idea what blog you are referring to, the internet is a big place with many blogs, I won't waste my time looking for one that may or may not exist. I agree some Thai police do not deserve respect, for example Thaksin.

[leeno]

i like the way Visaradee Techateerawat (วิสาระดี เตชะธีราวัฒน์) speaks.

Truly the dire look of the future for Thailand if it goes PTP.

When a court of justice libelous, Red Shirt Rally Host, whose only reason she's even in Parliament is because she is the nominee proxy stand-in daughter of a banned for electoral fraud TRT Party Boss MP, who along with the notorious and banned PPP mafia boss Mr. Refrigerator, control the Chiang Rai area:

Some additional information on the hope for The Red Pheu Thai Party:

Constitution Court files libel complaint against Pheu Thai MP

The Constitution Court Wednesday filed a complaint with police alleging Pheu Thai Party MP Visaradee Techathirawat of defaming the court.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...u+Thai+Party+MP

A Member of Parliament who doesn't know that you can not libel the courts... especially on the floor of the House?

It's no wonder she's been criticized for not being able to speak without reading word for word written statements that have been put in front of her to read aloud inside Parliament.

I enjoyed the poster's link where she says:

"My father is my inspiration. I remember when I was young he took me along with him when he visited his constituents. I told myself that one day I would be like him."

or in other words, I want to be the next political mafia boss for our neck of the woods in Thailand, but in the meantime, as an MP, I'll vote and say whatever my good Daddy wants me to.

Even her libel arrest was specifically for criticizing the case involving her Pop's political party dissolution.

More information on her:

Pheu Thai MPs, former Thai Rak Thai executive join rally

Some Pheu Thai Party MPs and former executives of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai party joined the red-shirted rally in front of the Government House at noon Wednesday.

They joined the rally after former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra called on the 110 other banned Thai Rak Thai executives to come out to join the "fight for democracy".

Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Tejathirawat acted a host on the main stage while some former Thai Rak Thai executives and some Pheu Thai MPs joined a talk show on the stage.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...tive+join+rally

Puea Thai MP Visaradee reports to police

22 June 2009: Puea Thai MP for Chiang Rai Visaradee Techateerawat reported herself to police as summoned to acknowledge the charge for insulting the Constitutional Court.

Accompanied by her father Visarn Techateerawat, the former MP of the now defunct Thai Rak Thai party and her lawyer, Visaradee, travelled to Ratchawang Police Station amid moral support from a group of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255206220091

and her Red Boss Papa just a short 2 months prior was also reporting to police.... or not:

9 More Red-Shirt Leaders in Chiang Rai to Surrender Tomorrow

20 April 2009: Nine red-shirt leaders in Chiang Rai province are expected to turn themselves in to the police tomorrow, while their followers are expected to demonstrate at the police station.

Chiang Rai's Provincial Court has issued arrest warrants for 10 red-shirt leaders in the province. So far, only one, Kanit Boonyanasinikasem, a former leader of a Chiang Rai pro-democracy group, had reported to police.

The nine others include former Thai Rak Thai leader and former Chiang Rai MP Visarn Techateerawat.

Visarn is the father of current Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Techateerawat.

Police have been searching for the nine suspects, but have been unable to locate them.

- Thailand Outlook Channel

He actually DID turn himself in the following day with several other Red Shirt leaders.

This time, instead of Visarn accompanying his daughter to the police station, Visaradee accompanied her father to the police station.

Visaradee then used her position as an MP to post bail for her father.

I didn't know Chiang Rai was so much on the Thai political map. I had heard there were Red supporters up here, but now the picture is a bit clearer. There appears to be some entrenched families who rode on Thaksin's coattails (and try to continue the ride) who, like Somchai, put their daughters in proxy political positions when they got banned. However, by indications on the ground, there is scant little support for the Red movement. First hand observations (by me traveling all over town, every day of the Red rallies) show that there are very few who bother to show their allegiance (red shirts, headbands/armbands/flags on trucks, etc). Maybe they're hiding?

There was a stage set up downtown with about 200 plastic chairs, for the entire duration of the Red rallies, and only once did I see more than 3 people sitting there. ...and I drove by that spot dozens of times, at all hours, but the only people hanging out there were a few sound technicians, some food sellers, and a few bored looking taxi drivers - all on the periphery. Chiang Rai might be many colors, but it's not Red, at least not politically.

The colors are almost insignificant to the local Chiang Rai mafia bosses like Visarn and his current proxy daughter MP or "The Refrigerator" Yongyuth and his current proxy sister MP.

They are certainly Thaksinites and Visarn's current association with the Red Shirts is a reflection of that. If Thaksin wasn't Red, Visarn would disown them. It would seem he doesn't see the need to expend time and money on the Reds in the local area as they already controlled it long before the Reds were launched.

It's all about control and money for the local Dons and I have little doubt that you can see the influence these 2 have on your area.

Their actions also impact on the entire nation. Chiang Rai's Yongyuth is the reason Thaksin's People Power Party was dissolved. His bribing of the local poo yai baans was what got them all thrown out.

[anotheruser]

Does Abhisit have any real point in suggesting Thaksin do away with his Thai citizenship? Last time I checked, Thaksin whether wanted, guilty or innocent is in fact a Thai. I am not sure how a warrant has any bearing on this matter. Why doesn't Abhisit request that all Thais that have dual citizenship get off the fence and choose?

I am sure Thaksin is going to run right out and revoke his Thai passport. This would obviously be a good move for him. LOL I do not like Thaksin at all but Abhisit comes off as disingenuous at times. His statement has does nothing to do with his interest in Thaksin as a Thai or not. He is just speaking to hear himself speak.

You could translate it to... Why doesn't Thaksin just declare he isn't Thai so many people in his movement (rightfully or not) will abandon him. This isn't logical and is somewhat laughable to think Thaksin would even go for this bait. I do not like/support Thaksin but this would only be a challenge if it were a remote possibility that it would happen. As it stands it is just rhetoric on Abhisit's part.

Thaksin could make a retort and challenge Abhisit to slit his own throat if he is really Thai. That is how meaningful this latest "challenge" is.

I am playing devil's advocate on this one, but if you were in Thaksin's shoes would there be any logical reason to do what Abhisit is suggesting?

Edited May 30, 2010 by anotheruser

[leeno]

Board member should keep that in mind, how fast it can go in Thailand to face seven years in jail.

Anyway, i still wish her good luck for her future. She made a mistake i can forgive her. She is young.

She is young.

As stated in your initial quoted article, the only MP in Parliament that is younger than her is Thaksin's niece (and Somchai's daughter) Chinchilla. But while Visaradee is young, she's also stupid and corrupt.

As said, her crime is libeling the Constitution Court.

Just how dumb does someone have to be to not know that is illegal? In her case, apparently, it's quite dumb.

I guess the various posters I read here on the forum that also libel the courts are equally quite dumb.

[leeno]

Who do u think should be Prime Minister ??

Nattakorn Devakula. Will take a couple more years though.

Still, you heard it here first.

You, must be joking, this guy is all over the place, unbalanced and he's been shown to contradict himself numerous times.

Also quite impolite.

Agreed. Those factors were reflected in his receiving only 16% of the vote in the Bangkok Governor race last year.

Edited May 30, 2010 by leeno

[SomTumTiger]

Who do u think should be Prime Minister ??

Nattakorn Devakula. Will take a couple more years though.

Still, you heard it here first.

You, must be joking, this guy is all over the place, unbalanced and he's been shown to contradict himself numerous times.

Also quite impolite.

Agreed. Those factors were reflected in his receiving only 16% of the vote in the Bangkok Governor race last year.

Most Thais don't like him, and he is not a member of any political party. He has as much chance of becoming pm as you do Winnie.

[hammered]

i like the way Visaradee Techateerawat (วิสาระดี เตชะธีราวัฒน์) speaks.

Truly the dire look of the future for Thailand if it goes PTP.

When a court of justice libelous, Red Shirt Rally Host, whose only reason she's even in Parliament is because she is the nominee proxy stand-in daughter of a banned for electoral fraud TRT Party Boss MP, who along with the notorious and banned PPP mafia boss Mr. Refrigerator, control the Chiang Rai area:

Some additional information on the hope for The Red Pheu Thai Party:

Constitution Court files libel complaint against Pheu Thai MP

The Constitution Court Wednesday filed a complaint with police alleging Pheu Thai Party MP Visaradee Techathirawat of defaming the court.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...u+Thai+Party+MP

A Member of Parliament who doesn't know that you can not libel the courts... especially on the floor of the House?

It's no wonder she's been criticized for not being able to speak without reading word for word written statements that have been put in front of her to read aloud inside Parliament.

I enjoyed the poster's link where she says:

"My father is my inspiration. I remember when I was young he took me along with him when he visited his constituents. I told myself that one day I would be like him."

or in other words, I want to be the next political mafia boss for our neck of the woods in Thailand, but in the meantime, as an MP, I'll vote and say whatever my good Daddy wants me to.

Even her libel arrest was specifically for criticizing the case involving her Pop's political party dissolution.

More information on her:

Pheu Thai MPs, former Thai Rak Thai executive join rally

Some Pheu Thai Party MPs and former executives of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai party joined the red-shirted rally in front of the Government House at noon Wednesday.

They joined the rally after former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra called on the 110 other banned Thai Rak Thai executives to come out to join the "fight for democracy".

Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Tejathirawat acted a host on the main stage while some former Thai Rak Thai executives and some Pheu Thai MPs joined a talk show on the stage.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...tive+join+rally

Puea Thai MP Visaradee reports to police

22 June 2009: Puea Thai MP for Chiang Rai Visaradee Techateerawat reported herself to police as summoned to acknowledge the charge for insulting the Constitutional Court.

Accompanied by her father Visarn Techateerawat, the former MP of the now defunct Thai Rak Thai party and her lawyer, Visaradee, travelled to Ratchawang Police Station amid moral support from a group of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255206220091

and her Red Boss Papa just a short 2 months prior was also reporting to police.... or not:

9 More Red-Shirt Leaders in Chiang Rai to Surrender Tomorrow

20 April 2009: Nine red-shirt leaders in Chiang Rai province are expected to turn themselves in to the police tomorrow, while their followers are expected to demonstrate at the police station.

Chiang Rai's Provincial Court has issued arrest warrants for 10 red-shirt leaders in the province. So far, only one, Kanit Boonyanasinikasem, a former leader of a Chiang Rai pro-democracy group, had reported to police.

The nine others include former Thai Rak Thai leader and former Chiang Rai MP Visarn Techateerawat.

Visarn is the father of current Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Techateerawat.

Police have been searching for the nine suspects, but have been unable to locate them.

- Thailand Outlook Channel

He actually DID turn himself in the following day with several other Red Shirt leaders.

This time, instead of Visarn accompanying his daughter to the police station, Visaradee accompanied her father to the police station.

Visaradee then used her position as an MP to post bail for her father.

I didn't know Chiang Rai was so much on the Thai political map. I had heard there were Red supporters up here, but now the picture is a bit clearer. There appears to be some entrenched families who rode on Thaksin's coattails (and try to continue the ride) who, like Somchai, put their daughters in proxy political positions when they got banned. However, by indications on the ground, there is scant little support for the Red movement. First hand observations (by me traveling all over town, every day of the Red rallies) show that there are very few who bother to show their allegiance (red shirts, headbands/armbands/flags on trucks, etc). Maybe they're hiding?

There was a stage set up downtown with about 200 plastic chairs, for the entire duration of the Red rallies, and only once did I see more than 3 people sitting there. ...and I drove by that spot dozens of times, at all hours, but the only people hanging out there were a few sound technicians, some food sellers, and a few bored looking taxi drivers - all on the periphery. Chiang Rai might be many colors, but it's not Red, at least not politically.

The colors are almost insignificant to the local Chiang Rai mafia bosses like Visarn and his current proxy daughter MP or "The Refrigerator" Yongyuth and his current proxy sister MP.

They are certainly Thaksinites and Visarn's current association with the Red Shirts is a reflection of that. If Thaksin wasn't Red, Visarn would disown them. It would seem he doesn't see the need to expend time and money on the Reds in the local area as they already controlled it long before the Reds were launched.

It's all about control and money for the local Dons and I have little doubt that you can see the influence these 2 have on your area.

Their actions also impact on the entire nation. Chiang Rai's Yongyuth is the reason Thaksin's People Power Party was dissolved. His bribing of the local poo yai baans was what got them all thrown out.

Nice to see some sense written on here.

I just wish the authorities would press the shipping Moo case.

[chadintheusa]

i like the way Visaradee Techateerawat (วิสาระดี เตชะธีราวัฒน์) speaks.

I like the way she looks, what is the barfine at government house?

Men are men.

Can't look at a Thai girl without thinking of barfine.

Well I wouldn't kick her out of my bed for farting.

[brahmburgers]

The colors are almost insignificant to the local Chiang Rai mafia bosses like Visarn and his current proxy daughter MP or "The Refrigerator" Yongyuth and his current proxy sister MP.

When will Thais learn that political campaigns can include some actual campaigning?

Will we ever see the day, in Thailand, when a varied bunch of candidates, some actually independent and/or not connected to very rich and corrupt families - can aspire to elected office?

How long before televised debates, where candidates can speak freely without fear of defamation lawsuits?

....and real town hall meetings where everyone is welcome, and everyone has an opportunity to speak their minds?

Ok, I'm naive and a dreamer. Incidentally, the supposedly 'pro-democratic' Red movement didn't come close to mentioning any of the pillars of democracy mentioned above.

[Rucharee]

Don't forget Dr. Tul Sitthisomwong.

He is the next proxy and rentboy of Sondhi after Mark.

Mark's days is limited, now that PAD and their master have decide.

[ThisIsMadness]

Don't forget Dr. Tul Sitthisomwong.

He is the next proxy and rentboy of Sondhi after Mark.

Mark's days is limited, now that PAD and their master have decide.

Your ignorance is endless !

how do you manage to get dressed in the morning