Ban Vuvuzelas From The 2010 Fifa World Cup ?

[hansum]

is is true that FIFA's Mr Blatter is not elected and it seems he can't be replaced unless he quits?

yeah sepp is elected. he makes absolutely damned sure that he is elected each time around. man's a political genius for all his glaring human faults.

This seems appropriate then

Was vile at the start or the WC when this corrupt fool and his rapist mate Jacub Zuma thought the opening ceromony and the WC was about them.

Europe which funds FIFA should do something about people like him and Jack Warner ... you can guarantee they take huge bribes to get the WC to go to wherever.

[mrtoad]

Can't see the problem with it. Just moaning if you ask me. They have been using those horns in South Africa for sometime.

[VictorMeldrewBKK]

Seems it wasn't Africa that started the vuvuzela problems after all?

[WarpSpeed]

I'm not sure that the FIFA realize that these are no doubt significantly reducing the world audience of television viewers who may ordinarily watch 2 or even 3 games in a row. I want to but I have a headache, light headedness and edgy nerves (not related to any game results either) after just one game so watching any more consecutively is out of the question so I'm having to be very selective. This can't be good for sponsors and advertiser as it's certain I'm not the only one effected in this way..

It has been said to embrace the South African culture and such nonsense so does that mean they should allow Hooliganism too? I know that's extreme but it is an example of having to make changes that effected other people at the matches to a great degree and as well teh World cup is a privilege to host not the other way around..

nice generalisation there. you want to throw racism into the pot as well?

Nonsense! What are you on about now?

[WarpSpeed]

Can't see the problem with it. Just moaning if you ask me. They have been using those horns in South Africa for sometime.

In South Africa! And if you don't watch games from there or have any interest in South African football then they have no effect on you, but this is the World cup..

[StevieH]

I'm not sure that the FIFA realize that these are no doubt significantly reducing the world audience of television viewers who may ordinarily watch 2 or even 3 games in a row. I want to but I have a headache, light headedness and edgy nerves (not related to any game results either) after just one game so watching any more consecutively is out of the question so I'm having to be very selective. This can't be good for sponsors and advertiser as it's certain I'm not the only one effected in this way..

It has been said to embrace the South African culture and such nonsense so does that mean they should allow Hooliganism too? I know that's extreme but it is an example of having to make changes that effected other people at the matches to a great degree and as well teh World cup is a privilege to host not the other way around..

nice generalisation there. you want to throw racism into the pot as well?

Nonsense! What are you on about now?

what does hooliganism have to do with south african culture?

[Moonrakers]

I'm not sure that the FIFA realize that these are no doubt significantly reducing the world audience of television viewers who may ordinarily watch 2 or even 3 games in a row. I want to but I have a headache, light headedness and edgy nerves (not related to any game results either) after just one game so watching any more consecutively is out of the question so I'm having to be very selective. This can't be good for sponsors and advertiser as it's certain I'm not the only one effected in this way..

It has been said to embrace the South African culture and such nonsense so does that mean they should allow Hooliganism too? I know that's extreme but it is an example of having to make changes that effected other people at the matches to a great degree and as well teh World cup is a privilege to host not the other way around..

nice generalisation there. you want to throw racism into the pot as well?

Nonsense! What are you on about now?

what does hooliganism have to do with south african culture?

I think you missed the point Stevie

[NADTATIDA1]

The BBC is considering offering a 'red button service' in a bid to appease complaints surrounding the sound of the vuvuzela.

The noise of the plastic horn has become a hotly-debated issue since the start of the World Cup in South Africa last Friday.

On Tuesday morning the BBC confirmed it has received 545 complaints from viewers who find the continual sound of the vuvuzela distracting during matches.

The Corporation has now confirmed it is investigating several options, including stripping out most sound except commentary when showing the games on its red button service.

A BBC spokeswoman said: "Using the red button service is only one of the options that we're considering. A decision will be made later in the week."

World Cup bosses have confirmed the horns will not be banned in South Africa, saying they reflect "the sound of Africa".

Another thing that is annoying me is these bloody emoticons :D :D :D

[goldfinger]

<deleted> has this stupid plastic toy to do with African Culture/African Style??and most important, with football???

No other problems overthere???

[PhilHarries]

I used to work at a large test plant where we had five <deleted>' great Root's blowers that made a sound just like them vuvezelas,

But then they could only reach about 110 dB.

Never mind the noise though, just think of all the spittle that flow out the ends of them.

It's a bit much banning them though as they're part of South African "culture". Maybe they could come to a compromise, every team quits the tournament, South Africa win on byes and everyone sods off down the beach for a BBQ and a p1ss up.

[mrbojangles]

I dont mind them if they were used say when somebody scores but 90 mins nonstop of them is numbing.

Oh my giddy aunt. James and I agree on something

I didn't mind them at first but now they are really getting my (fill in the expletive)

[mrtoad]

Can't see the problem with it. Just moaning if you ask me. They have been using those horns in South Africa for sometime.

In South Africa! And if you don't watch games from there or have any interest in South African football then they have no effect on you, but this is the World cup..

Funny that, it's "The World Cup", and it gets played in South Africa, and the vuvuzela is something that gets taken to games there.

Yeah they are annoying, but they are not going to be banned. Personally, I can't see the point in going to match and spend most of the time blowing into a horn, but hey - there are plenty of people buying them, and they aren't all South Africans.

Anyway I find the Thai commentary far more irritating.

[patmart]

I don't mind them, give me fond memories of soi 7 & 8 a few years ago, same noise level

[soihok]

Just watched the Brazil v N. Korea game and the vulvas were not that bad actually, you could here some drums and cheers also above the horns.

I wish England could have a defence like that of North Korea.

[bdenner]

As a sufferer of Tinitus (ringing in the ears) I’d have to feel for any sporting tourists suffering the same who are in SA to see a few games, without being fore warned about these annoying noise makers.

[bkkjames]

Special: 'It is impossible to communicate, it's like being deaf' - what Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo & Sepp Blatter are saying about the vuvuzela

Who knew a plastic horn could cause so much consternation?

By Alex Dimond

16 Jun 2010 10:27:00

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With the majority of matches so far not living up to expectations, to date this World Cup has been more about the noise made off the pitch than on it.

The instrument preferred by seemingly every football-loving musician in South Africa (and many enthusiastic tourists, too) has divided opinion among armchair football fans across the world. Some cannot stand the incessant droning — which makes chanting virtually impossible — while others believe it adds colour and individuality to a resolutely African tournament.

Even scientists have started to wade in on the debate, suggesting that the plastic horn could even cause deafness if the listener is exposed to it for too long. With FIFA refusing - after some initial wavering - to ban the vuvuzela, the debate is set to run and run.

Goal.com UK rounds up what has been said about the little plastic horn:

“It is impossible to communicate, it’s like being deaf.”

- Argentina starlet Lionel Messi is not a fan

"It is difficult for anyone on the pitch to concentrate. Hardly anyone likes them, but the people who do like them are those who like to blow the instruments and make a racket."

- Cristiano Ronaldo voices his displeasure

"We love both. We love the vuvuzelas, it's part of our culture and we are used to them, we should keep going with them. I understand that some people and some players have a problem with it but we've had no problems with the vuvuzelas or the balls."

- South Africa coach Carlos Alberto Parreira shows deft diplomatic skills to defend not one, but two major controversies of the tournament so far.

"Who are they to question our culture? The vuvuzela is part of football in this country. We would not go to Britain or anywhere else and tell people how to act, it is very patronising. This World Cup is in Africa and people should embrace it for what it is."

- Freddie Makke, reported inventor of the vuvuzela, doesn't take kindly to criticism — and also seems to be unaware going abroad and patronising foreign traditions is exactly the British culture.

“I would prefer singing. It's always been a great generator of a wonderful atmosphere in stadiums and I would try to encourage them to sing. In the days of the struggle [against apartheid] we were singing, all through our history it's our ability to sing that inspired and drove the emotions."

- Danny Jordaan doesn't get the memo about getting behind his country's culture. Which, as tournament chief organiser, is a bit worrying.

"We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6am. We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them."

- France's Patrice Evra joins the chorus of boos to counter the vuvuzela. On the plus side, Patrice, at least you probably can't hear Raymond Domenech, either...

"One vuvuzela just behind you will hit you with more than 125 decibels of sound - much louder than a road drill - which will really hurt your ears and, when added to hours of partying with loud music in pubs and clubs, can cause permanent hearing loss over time."

- Audiology specialist Crystal Rolfe brings the science to the debate. Although where she got the idea fans would also be partying during the competition is anyone's guess.

“I don’t see banning the music traditions of fans in their own country. Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?”

- Sepp Blatter uses Twitter (honestly) to show his insight into the whole palaver.

“I know you hear them on TV because my kids have been on the phone asking for them, so I’ve got them in my bag already to take home. Anyone who has been at Anfield watching me knows I am louder than the vuvuzelas.”

- England defender Jamie Carragher reveals he and his family are embracing the horn.

[redrus]

I really don't mind them that much, it is Africa, let them get on with it....!

redrus

[WarpSpeed]

I'm not sure that the FIFA realize that these are no doubt significantly reducing the world audience of television viewers who may ordinarily watch 2 or even 3 games in a row. I want to but I have a headache, light headedness and edgy nerves (not related to any game results either) after just one game so watching any more consecutively is out of the question so I'm having to be very selective. This can't be good for sponsors and advertiser as it's certain I'm not the only one effected in this way..

It has been said to embrace the South African culture and such nonsense so does that mean they should allow Hooliganism too? I know that's extreme but it is an example of having to make changes that effected other people at the matches to a great degree and as well teh World cup is a privilege to host not the other way around..

nice generalisation there. you want to throw racism into the pot as well?

Nonsense! What are you on about now?

what does hooliganism have to do with south african culture?

Here we go again!! Comprehension not your strong point eh? Where is stated that it was being considered a part of African culture??

[WarpSpeed]

nice generalisation there. you want to throw racism into the pot as well?

Nonsense! What are you on about now?

what does hooliganism have to do with south african culture?

I think you missed the point Stevie

Yes, clearly he did....By quite some margin...

[Jingthing]

They are horrible but inevitable.

BTW, I must say I am totally gaga about this year's World Cup. As an American, it took me a long time to warm up to futball, but starting recently, I even appreciate the 0-0 games! Maybe living in Thailand with the futball craziness has rubbed off on me.

Still don't care about the pro teams, only the World Cup. Nothing to do with nationalism either. Don't expect the USA team to go very far; it's all good!

The Brazil/N. Korea game was amazing, what a clash of cultures.

BTW, the first real futball game I saw was at the Munich Olympics. Russia vs. some other team, I don't remember. I do remember being bored to death. Where is the scoring?

Another point, Americans REALLY should stop calling it soccer. Its so provincial. Almost embarrassing. Yeah I realize the conflict with the American gladiator sport, so why not futball instead?

Edited June 16, 2010 by Jingthing

[mrbojangles]

Just watched the Brazil v N. Korea game and the vulvas were not that bad actually,

I must have missed that. Is there much difference between a Brazilian and N Korean "vulva"

[WarpSpeed]

Can't see the problem with it. Just moaning if you ask me. They have been using those horns in South Africa for sometime.

In South Africa! And if you don't watch games from there or have any interest in South African football then they have no effect on you, but this is the World cup..

Funny that, it's "The World Cup", and it gets played in South Africa, and the vuvuzela is something that gets taken to games there.

Yeah they are annoying, but they are not going to be banned. Personally, I can't see the point in going to match and spend most of the time blowing into a horn, but hey - there are plenty of people buying them, and they aren't all South Africans.

Anyway I find the Thai commentary far more irritating.

Yes and "HOSTING" the World cup is a coveted privileged not a right, so the fans (guests of the host who make the game what is and not the host country) and their wishes which make them comfortable should be catered to (within reason which this is) and respected not patronized, ignored or treated with contempt, it amounts to force feeding a "culture".. It's also about respect and consideration for the world community of football fans..

Do you remember when the Chinese hosted the Olympics? They had a very comprehensive PR campaign to educate the public about spitting and being polite like not cutting queues for example. They've recently done the same with wearing pajamas in public with the World expo and these are both "cultural" norms they've curtailed for the good of the guests and the world communities public perception, sometime culture has to be put on the back burner to common courtesy and consideration of others, without crying foul..

Edited June 16, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[WarpSpeed]

Just watched the Brazil v N. Korea game and the vulvas were not that bad actually,

I must have missed that. Is there much difference between a Brazilian and N Korean "vulva"

:D But on another note I do agree that NK held their own quite impressively I didn't see the whole game but what I saw initially was good tight soccer....... Scuse me, [futball] on both sides very entertaining... I too can appreciate a 0-0 draw if there's been end to end and some awe inspiring saves on both ends..

Edited June 16, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[NADTATIDA1]

Can't see the problem with it. Just moaning if you ask me. They have been using those horns in South Africa for sometime.

In South Africa! And if you don't watch games from there or have any interest in South African football then they have no effect on you, but this is the World cup..

Funny that, it's "The World Cup", and it gets played in South Africa, and the vuvuzela is something that gets taken to games there.

Yeah they are annoying, but they are not going to be banned. Personally, I can't see the point in going to match and spend most of the time blowing into a horn, but hey - there are plenty of people buying them, and they aren't all South Africans.

Anyway I find the Thai commentary far more irritating.

Yes and "HOSTING" the World cup is a coveted privileged not a right, so the fans (guests of the host who make the game what is and not the host country) and their wishes which make them comfortable should be catered to (within reason which this is) and respected not patronized, ignored or treated with contempt, it amounts to force feeding a "culture".. It's also about respect and consideration for the world community of football fans..

Do you remember when the Chinese hosted the Olympics? They had a very comprehensive PR campaign to educate the public about spitting and being polite like not cutting queues for example. They've recently done the same with wearing pajamas in public with the World expo and these are both "cultural" norms they've curtailed for the good of the guests and the world communities public perception, sometime culture has to be put on the back burner to common courtesy and consideration of others, without crying foul..

To host the World Cup you enter a competition these days and who gets the right to host it depends on how good your said countrys officials are at arse-licking and donations! it is all about the money and do not think otherwise....FIFA is openly corrupt and blackmail is the keyword in the voting processes,FIFA the WCOC and UEFA do not give a toss about the average fan at all.

[WarpSpeed]

Well that is quite clear isn't it? Your assessment is not in dispute but still doesn't excuse the fact that the fan SHOULD be considered first, whether or not that is the case as with out them there is no World Cup or any other cup for that matter..

[NADTATIDA1]

If there are advertisers and TV stations there will always be a World Cup,even if the Stadiums are half empty they do not care about the match going fan thats why 30% of the tickets are all corporates.Same for the Champions League UEFA have it sewn up for the TV rights mega money around the world,i agree the fans should be more important but the fact is they are not and it will not change.

Believe me when Tv stations start offering a red button service channel for watching without the noise of the Vuvuzelas that tells you how important the home audience is! i bet they wouldn't stop the adverts on the telly if people said they were annoying

[WarpSpeed]

But who is talking about a fan exclusively at the match? These things are affront to every fan world wide besides the fans in the stands are directly related to the TV viewership numbers so can't be ignored, there would be no TV fans if there are not any stadium fans that's just not realistic nor logical....

Actually they have taken steps to stop the interruptions just because the fans were annoyed that's why they now have sideline banners and various other adverts which don't effect the play of the live game if not they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by alienating the very consumer base they are targeting..

Really your understanding of marketing seems very limited..I don't know how you think ANY sport is anything without their fan base on every level both live and TV viewership, the are symbiotic..

Edited June 16, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[NADTATIDA1]

But who is talking about a fan exclusively at the match? These things are affront to every fan world wide besides the fans in the stands are directly related to the TV viewership numbers so can't be ignored, there would be no TV fans if there are not any stadium fans that's just not realistic nor logical....

Actually they have taken steps to stop the interruptions just because the fans were annoyed that's why they now have sideline banners and various other adverts which don't effect the play of the live game if not they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by alienating the very consumer base they are targeting..

Really your understanding of marketing seems very limited..I don't know how you think ANY sport is anything without their fan base on every level both live and TV viewership, the are symbiotic..

Are you replying to me! if so read what i said again see if it goes in this time,

You really have got a massive chip on your shoulder.

[soihok]

Just watched the Brazil v N. Korea game and the vulvas were not that bad actually,

I must have missed that. Is there much difference between a Brazilian and N Korean "vulva"

Depends on who is blowing it. Sorry Mr Bo.

[wimster]

The won't be banned. Sepp Blatter has a share in the sales. The FIFA idiots changed the law in S Africa. Girls can't even wear a Orange dress (without ANY sign of ANY sponsor). Hippocrates!