Children Born Outside Of Thailand

[salomon]

hello,

i am getting married in thai at the beginning of november

my thai gf and i want to have kids.

we are immigrating her to my country and we will live here for the first couple of years , atlist thats the plan

can anyone tell me what will be the rights of the children we hopefully will have in thailand ?

will they automatically be thai because their mother is thai ?

tnx in advance

[gotlost]

The children born will be Thai because of the mother. Just be sure to register with the Thai embassy or consulate in your country so the child will have a Thai passport. Also make sure that the child is registered for your nationality passport.

[Mario2008]

The childen will indeed be automatically Thai because they have a Thai parent. As thai nationals they have all the rights any other Thai has.

If you are married to the mother, the children might also have your nationality. Thailand doesn't have a problem with dual nationality, check the rules from your own country if they also allow dual nationality for persons born with 2 nationalities.

[gregb]

OK. How about this question which came up today in discussion.

A Thai woman uses her own eggs and pays a surrogate in the US to carry her child. The father is a farang. The couple get a pre birth order from one of the states that issue these documents, so the Thai woman's name appears on the birth certificate as the mother.

Does the child qualify for Thai citizenship?

Question #2, the exact same scenario, but now the Thai woman uses donor eggs instead of her own eggs, so the child has no genetic material from any Thai citizen, but the mother is still listed on the birth certificate as Thai. Does the child still qualify for Thai citizenship?

Has this scenario even occurred before? No, this is not a theoretical question. I have a friend with a Thai wife who is in this situation and wants to know. Kind of throws a wrench into the definition of "parent" doesn't it?

[wolf5370]

OK. How about this question which came up today in discussion.

A Thai woman uses her own eggs and pays a surrogate in the US to carry her child. The father is a farang. The couple get a pre birth order from one of the states that issue these documents, so the Thai woman's name appears on the birth certificate as the mother.

Does the child qualify for Thai citizenship?

Question #2, the exact same scenario, but now the Thai woman uses donor eggs instead of her own eggs, so the child has no genetic material from any Thai citizen, but the mother is still listed on the birth certificate as Thai. Does the child still qualify for Thai citizenship?

Has this scenario even occurred before? No, this is not a theoretical question. I have a friend with a Thai wife who is in this situation and wants to know. Kind of throws a wrench into the definition of "parent" doesn't it?

Interesting thought experiment (I guess that there is no legilation for this). I would summise that the Thai government would simply accept the birth certificate - assuming the Thai mother used it to gain a Thai birth certificate at the Embassy in the States (assuming she is in the states). Thailand accepts adopted childen - who have no genetic Thai blood if legally adoted to a Thai parent - so the same would apply would be my guess. If the couple have a birth certificate with the Thai parent on it, why do they need to tell the Thai authorities how they propogated the progeny?

[wolf5370]

OK. How about this question which came up today in discussion.

A Thai woman uses her own eggs and pays a surrogate in the US to carry her child. The father is a farang. The couple get a pre birth order from one of the states that issue these documents, so the Thai woman's name appears on the birth certificate as the mother.

Does the child qualify for Thai citizenship?

Question #2, the exact same scenario, but now the Thai woman uses donor eggs instead of her own eggs, so the child has no genetic material from any Thai citizen, but the mother is still listed on the birth certificate as Thai. Does the child still qualify for Thai citizenship?

Has this scenario even occurred before? No, this is not a theoretical question. I have a friend with a Thai wife who is in this situation and wants to know. Kind of throws a wrench into the definition of "parent" doesn't it?

Interesting thought experiment (I guess that there is no legilation for this). I would summise that the Thai government would simply accept the birth certificate - assuming the Thai mother used it to gain a Thai birth certificate at the Embassy in the States (assuming she is in the states). Thailand accepts adopted childen - who have no genetic Thai blood if legally adoted to a Thai parent - so the same would apply would be my guess. If the couple have a birth certificate with the Thai parent on it, why do they need to tell the Thai authorities how they propogated the progeny?

PS: To the Op.Both my kids were born in the UK of a Thai mother. Both have dual nationality, both sets of birth certs and both passports. They are also on their grandfather's blue book.

[Mario2008]

Not an unusual question, as parenthood can be biological, legal or social. Often these different kinds of parenthood are combined in the same person, but in many cases it is split between two or three persons.

But I'm not sure to the answer of your question, your friend better consults a lawyer because of the legal implications and get competent advice.