Hint: The US didn't go there for any WMD, ........ It was for the OIL 

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Is that light I see coming through on other inside of your ears.

The US went into Iraq for oil? What a complete farce!

The US has as much oil reserves underground in US territory as most of the middle east.

The US went to Iraq to destabilize the wacko Islamofacist pipeline running from Syria to Pakistan, and get the fight off of US soil. This objective has been accomplished. This was a good move for the common defense of the American people as a whole. This is the primary function of the office of the President. What part of this don't you understand?

Getting a tyrannical dictator out of power was merely a side benefit. Putting the fear of god into all the other nut-case regimes in Iran, Syria, etc., was another side benefit.

Take off the blinders! Get a clue!

Hint: The US didn't go there for any WMD, ........ It was for the OIL 

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Is that light I see coming through on other inside of your ears.

The US went into Iraq for oil? What a complete farce!

The US has as much oil reserves underground in US territory as most of the middle east.

The US went to Iraq to destabilize the wacko Islamofacist pipeline running from Syria to Pakistan, and get the fight off of US soil. This objective has been accomplished. This was a good move for the common defense of the American people as a whole. This is the primary function of the office of the President. What part of this don't you understand?

Getting a tyrannical dictator out of power was merely a side benefit. Putting the fear of god into all the other nut-case regimes in Iran, Syria, etc., was another side benefit.

Take off the blinders! Get a clue!

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Let me guess, Faux News ?

Hint: The US didn't go there for any WMD, ........ It was for the OIL  

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Is that light I see coming through on other inside of your ears.

The US went into Iraq for oil? What a complete farce!

The US has as much oil reserves underground in US territory as most of the middle east.

The US went to Iraq to destabilize the wacko Islamofacist pipeline running from Syria to Pakistan, and get the fight off of US soil. This objective has been accomplished. This was a good move for the common defense of the American people as a whole. This is the primary function of the office of the President. What part of this don't you understand?

Getting a tyrannical dictator out of power was merely a side benefit. Putting the fear of god into all the other nut-case regimes in Iran, Syria, etc., was another side benefit.

Take off the blinders! Get a clue!

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I think you would benefit from reading a bit more about the size of oil reserves throughout the world. I think you have a mistaken impression of the size of the US oil reserves.

It's called - The Biteback Effect

Another brilliant analysis of this very strange war, from Victor Davis Hanson:

"Sometimes even the English language is without the right word to describe a commonplace occurrence. We don’t, for example, have a term quite like the German schadenfreude: “Taking malicious delight in someone else’s misfortune.” The Arab world has no real word to denote constitutional democracy, and so uses our Anglicized form of the Greek demokratia.

Take the recent boomerang effect of those critics who critique the war, but in the process achieve the exact antithesis of what they intend. After the spring 2004 butchery of American contractors, we went into, and then withdrew from, Fallujah — apprehensive that global media scrutiny would portray us as storm troopers.

In fact, the enemy considered us too equivocating and claimed the retreat as a great victory. So until we retook the city in November, we fretted that the Fallujah encirclement was an example of our blunt-headedness, while our enemy equated it with softness.

Indeed, throughout this conflict the United States has been apprehensive that it was becoming too brutal in its effort even as the Islamic fascists were convinced that we were too weak to fight such a war.

The Greeks might offer us a term for such ironic turnabout; perhaps something like antiepistrophe — “a turning back against oneself” — since the self-appointed moralist usually ends up looking stupid when his own examples refute the very reasons he adduced them.

But in the interest of simplicity, I’ll call it the “biteback” effect. Every time one hears a strident censor bring up a purported American sin, expect that he’ll be bitten right back by proving the opposite of what he intended — and looking foolish in the bargain.

Examine a few recent examples of biteback..."

Italics mine.

Read it all - it's good.

Hint: The US didn't go there for any WMD, ........ It was for the OIL  

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Is that light I see coming through on other inside of your ears.

The US went into Iraq for oil? What a complete farce!

The US has as much oil reserves underground in US territory as most of the middle east.

The US went to Iraq to destabilize the wacko Islamofacist pipeline running from Syria to Pakistan, and get the fight off of US soil. This objective has been accomplished. This was a good move for the common defense of the American people as a whole. This is the primary function of the office of the President. What part of this don't you understand?

Getting a tyrannical dictator out of power was merely a side benefit. Putting the fear of god into all the other nut-case regimes in Iran, Syria, etc., was another side benefit.

Take off the blinders! Get a clue!

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I think you better get a clue.

Hint: The US didn't go there for any WMD, ........ It was for the OIL  

Is that light I see coming through on other inside of your ears.

The US went into Iraq for oil? What a complete farce!

The US has as much oil reserves underground in US territory as most of the middle east.

The US went to Iraq to destabilize the wacko Islamofacist pipeline running from Syria to Pakistan, and get the fight off of US soil. This objective has been accomplished. This was a good move for the common defense of the American people as a whole. This is the primary function of the office of the President. What part of this don't you understand?

Getting a tyrannical dictator out of power was merely a side benefit. Putting the fear of god into all the other nut-case regimes in Iran, Syria, etc., was another side benefit.

Take off the blinders! Get a clue!

I think you better get a clue.

Did you read this Gent?

The US has as much oil reserves underground in US territory as most of the middle east.

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I am not sure what's wrong with you "yanks", but it seems that most of you are lacking reading comprehension skills or even crticial thinking. I understand the American education system is to blame here, but even the most basic common sense seems to be going over the head of our american friends.

Therefore I ask Boon Me, TM, thaibepop, Spee : what is your excuse for being so ignorant and beligerent to the world ? too much patriotism ? nationalism ? or just being defensive ? or is it because you are losing your patriotic battles over in Iraq and this is a temporary thing ?

Edited August 20, 200521 yr by Butterfly

I'm pretty sure TM is British.

I'm pretty sure TM is British.

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my bad. That would explain why he is so well written.

I'm pretty sure TM is British.

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100% sure on that count!

I am not sure what's wrong with you "yanks", but it seems that most of you are lacking reading comprehension skills or even crticial thinking. I understand the American education system is to blame here, but even the most basic common sense seems to be going over the head of our american friends.

Therefore I ask Boon Me, TM, thaibepop, Spee : what is your excuse for being so ignorant and beligerent to the world ?  too much patriotism ? nationalism ? or just being defensive ? or is it because you are losing your patriotic battles over in Iraq and this is a temporary thing ?

Is this really necessary?

I am not sure what's wrong with you "yanks", but it seems that most of you are lacking reading comprehension skills or even crticial thinking. I understand the American education system is to blame here, but even the most basic common sense seems to be going over the head of our american friends.

Therefore I ask Boon Me, TM, thaibepop, Spee : what is your excuse for being so ignorant and beligerent to the world ?  too much patriotism ? nationalism ? or just being defensive ? or is it because you are losing your patriotic battles over in Iraq and this is a temporary thing ?

Is this really necessary?

No, it's not, but K. Butterfly is on another one of his crusades which, 100% of the time, culminate in his being suspended from TV for a spell.

Any bets how long he can last this time?

Is this really necessary?

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No, it's not, but K. Butterfly is on another one of his crusades which, 100% of the time, culminate in his being suspended from TV for a spell.

Any bets how long he can last this time?

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Boon, I read your link - nothing to do with 911 though.

have a read of this.

My Webpage

High-Ranking Army

Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon

Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings

Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates

Depleted Uranium Used.

http://rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

It seems that nearly everyone on the planet, realises something is amiss, except for Boon Mee and his entourage.

Boon, I read your link - nothing to do with 911 though. 

have a read of this. 

My Webpage

High-Ranking Army

Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon

Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings

Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates

Depleted Uranium Used.

http://rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

It seems that nearly everyone on the planet, realises something is amiss, except for Boon Mee and his entourage. 

Gent, don't you find it a bit strange that someone would happen to be standing downwind with a gieger counter at the exact time the Pentagon was hit?

And, to quote your other link: "Forget Jamie Gorelick. Forget trumped-up allegations that former Clinton Administration officials were weak on terror..." not 'trumped up' in the least. It's common knowledge the blow-dried Bubba was much more interested in BJs than fighting terror.

Try again.

Boon Mee. this is my last post directed at you as you are just a ######en inbred yank without any common sense.

read this and then slit your ######en wrists.

The Pentagon

Roadmap To ######

From Ted Twietmeyer

[email protected]

8-18-5

Finally, here it is - the Pentagon's road map to ###### and beyond which they are following right to the letter. Remember this was written a couple years ago, so some of it has not happened as predicted or planned. This piece taken straight from the mouthpiece of the pentagon, speaks volumes.

Below is the basic text of a two hour lecture by Dr. Barnett, last known to be aired from the pentagon on "American Perspectives" last year. He is a political scientist who works for the pentagon. Incredibly proud of promoting US global domination, he educates (ie., brainwashes) all areas of the military about it.

If Barnett was born about 50 years earlier, Hitler would have hired him in an instant.

It's all here and spelled out, straight from a pentagon run .MIL website. Finally, those Americans and countless people in other nations who are still asleep and un-informed, will FINALLY gain a real understanding of:

* Why our men and women are NEVER coming home from the mid-east

* Why war is planned to continue INDEFINITELY

* Why 9-11 happened and how the government gained from it

* Why ALL the westernized countries MUST be conquered and absorbed into "the core" and much more.

This piece should be required reading to wake anyone up. NONE of this will EVER see the light of day on FOX, CNN or any other mainstream news source. No one can read this, and think the occasional administration's slip of the tongue about "the American Empire" is not true.

Barnett's terminology is a bit unique. "The gap" is codespeak for "those countries who are NOT under US control." "The Core" is codespeak for those WHO ALREADY ARE UNDER US control. Barnett all but comes out and states the government caused 9-11, as he shows how the event will be used to promote and assist US global domination.

Without doubt, he proves that "The US has the best enemies money can buy."

Ted Twietmeyer

The Pentagon's New Map

It Explains Why We're Going To War...And Why We'll Keep Going To War.

By Thomas P.M. Barnett

U.S. Naval War College

Since the end of the cold war, the United States has been trying to come up with an operating theory of the world and a military strategy to accompany it. Now there's a leading contender. It involves identifying the problem parts of the world and aggressively shrinking them. Since September 11, 2001, the author, a professor of warfare analysis, has been advising the Office of the Secretary of Defense and giving this briefing continually at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community. Now he gives it to you.

Let me tell you why military engagement with Saddam Hussein's regime in Baghdad is not only necessary and inevitable, but good.

When the United States finally goes to war again in the Persian Gulf, it will not constitute a settling of old scores, or just an enforced disarmament of illegal weapons, or a distraction in the war on terror. Our next war in the Gulf will mark a historical tipping point - the moment when Washington takes real ownership of strategic security in the age of globalization.

That is why the public debate about this war has been so important: It forces Americans to come to terms with I believe is the new security paradigm that shapes this age, namely, Disconnectedness defines danger. Saddam Hussein's outlaw regime is dangerously disconnected from the globalizing world, from its rule sets, its norms, and all the ties that bind countries together in mutually assured dependence.

The problem with most discussion of globalization is that too many experts treat it as a binary outcome: Either it is great and sweeping the planet, or it is horrid and failing humanity everywhere. Neither view really works, because globalization as a historical process is simply too big and too complex for such summary judgments. Instead, this new world must be defined by where globalization has truly taken root and where it has not.

Show me where globalization is thick with network connectivity, financial transactions, liberal media flows, and collective security, and I will show you regions featuring stable governments, rising standards of living, and more deaths by suicide than murder. These parts of the world I call the Functioning Core, or Core. But show me where globalization is thinning or just plain absent, and I will show you regions plagued by politically repressive regimes, widespread poverty and disease, routine mass murder, and most important - the chronic conflicts that incubate the next generation of global terrorists. These parts of the world I call the Non-Integrating Gap, or Gap.

Globalization's "ozone hole" may have been out of sight and out of mind prior to September 11, 2001, but it has been hard to miss ever since. And measuring the reach of globalization is not an academic exercise to an eighteen-year-old marine sinking tent poles on its far side. So where do we schedule the U.S. militaryÅfs next round of away games? The pattern that has emerged since the end of the cold war suggests a simple answer: in the Gap.

The reason I support going to war in Iraq is not simply that Saddam is a cutthroat Stalinist willing to kill anyone to stay in power, nor because that regime has clearly supported terrorist networks over the years. The real reason I support a war like this is that the resulting long-term military commitment will finally force America to deal with the entire Gap as a strategic threat environment.

FOR MOST COUNTRIES, accommodating the emerging global rule set of democracy, transparency, and free trade is no mean feat, which is something most Americans find hard to understand. We tend to forget just how hard it has been to keep the United States together all these years, harmonizing our own, competing internal rule sets along the way through a Civil War, a Great Depression, and the long struggles for racial and sexual equality that continue to this day. As far as most states are concerned, we are quite unrealistic in our expectation that they should adapt themselves quickly to globalization's very American-looking rule set.

But you have to be careful with that Darwinian pessimism, because it is a short jump from apologizing for globalization-as-forced-Americanization to insinuating along racial or civilization lines that "those people will simply never be like us." Just ten years ago, most experts were willing to write off poor Russia, declaring Slavs, in effect, genetically unfit for democracy and capitalism. Similar arguments resonated in most China-bashing during the 1990's, and you hear them today in the debates about the feasibility of imposing democracy on a post-Saddam Iraq - a sort of Muslims-are-from-Mars argument.

So how do we distinguish between who is really making it in globalization's Core and who remains trapped in the Gap? And how permanent is this dividing line?

Understanding that the line between the Core and Gap is constantly shifting, let me suggest that the direction of change is more critical than the degree. So, yes, Beijing is still ruled by a "Communist party" whose ideological formula is 30 percent Marxist-Leninist and 70 percent Sopranos, but China just signed on to the World Trade Organization, and over the long run, that is far more important in securing the country's permanent Core status. Why? Because it forces China to harmonize its internal rule set with that of globalization and banking, tariffs, copyright protection, environmental standards. Of course, working to adjust your internal rule sets to globalization's evolving rule set offers no guarantee of success. As Argentina and Brazil have recently found out, following the rules (in Argentina's case, sort of following) does not mean you are panicproof, or bubbleproof, or even recessionproof. Trying to adapt to globalization does not mean bad things will never happen to you. Nor does it mean all your poor will immediately morph into stable middle class. It just means your standard of living gets better over time.

In sum, it is always possible to fall off this bandwagon called globalization. And when you do, bloodshed will follow. If you are lucky, so will American troops.

SO WHAT PARTS OF THE WORLD can be considered functioning right now? North America, much of South America, the European Union, Putin's Russia, Japan and Asia's emerging economies (most notably China and India), Australia and New Zealand, and South Africa, which accounts for roughly four billion out of a global population of six billion.

Whom does that leave in the Gap? It would be easy to say "everyone else," but I want to offer you more proof than that and, by doing so, argue why I think the Gap is a long-term threat to more than just your pocketbook or conscience.

If we map out U.S. military responses since the end of the cold war, (see below), we find an overwhelming concentration of activity in the regions of the world that are excluded from globalization's growing Core - namely the Caribbean Rim, virtually all of Africa, the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Middle East and Southwest Asia, and much of Southeast Asia. That is roughly the remaining two billion of the world's population. Most have demographics skewed very young, and most are labeled, "low income" or "low middle income" by the World Bank (i.e., less than $3,000 annual per capita).

If we draw a line around the majority of those military interventions, we have basically mapped the Non-Integrating Gap. Obviously, there are outliers excluded geographically by this simple approach, such as an Israel isolated in the Gap, a North Korea adrift within the Core, or a Philippines straddling the line. But looking at the data, it is hard to deny the essential logic of the picture: If a country is either losing out to globalization or rejecting much of the content flows associated with its advance, there is a far greater chance that the U.S. will end up sending forces at some point. Conversely, if a country is largely functioning within globalization, we tend not to have to send our forces there to restore order to eradicate threats.

Now, that may seem like a tautology in effect defining any place that has not attracted U.S. military intervention in the last decade or so as "functioning within globalization" (and vice versa). But think about this larger point: Ever since the end of World War II, this country has assumed that the real threats to its security resided in countries of roughly similar size, development, and wealth in other words, other great powers like ourselves. During the cold war, that other great power was the Soviet Union. When the big Red machine evaporated in the early 1990's, we flirted with concerns about a united Europe, a powerhouse Japan, and most recently a rising China.

What was interesting about all those scenarios is the assumption that only an advanced state can truly threaten us. The rest of the world? Those less-developed parts of the world have long been referred to in military plans as the "Lesser Includeds," meaning that if we built a military capable of handling a great power's military threat, it would always be sufficient for any minor scenarios we might have to engage in the less advanced world.

That assumption was shattered by September 11. After all, we were not attacked by a nation or even an army but by a group in Thomas Friedman's vernacular Super Empowered Individuals willing to die for their cause. September 11 triggered a system perturbation that continues to reshape our government (the new Department of Homeland Security), our economy (the de facto security tax we all pay), and even our society (Wave to the camera!). Moreover, it launched the global war on terrorism, the prism through which our government now views every bilateral security relationship we have across the world.

In many ways, the September 11 attacks did the U.S. national-security establishment a huge favor by pulling us back from the abstract planning of future high-tech wars against "near peers" into the here-and-now threats to global order. By doing so, the dividing lines between Core and Gap were highlighted, and more important, the nature of the threat environment was thrown into stark relief.

Think about it: Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are pure products of the Gap in effect, its most violent feedback to the Core. They tell us how we are doing in exporting security to these lawless areas (not very well) and which states they would like to take "off line" from globalization and return to some seventh-century definition of the good life (any Gap state with a sizable Muslim population, especially Saudi Arabia).

If you take this message from Osama and combine it with our military-intervention record of the last decade, a simple security rule set emerges: A country's potential to warrant a U.S. military response is inversely related to its globalization connectivity. There is a good reason why Al Qaeda was based first in Sudan and then later in Afghanistan: These are two of the most disconnected countries in the world. Look at the other places U.S. Special Operations Forces have recently zeroed in on: northwestern Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen. We are talking about the ends of the earth as far as globalization is concerned.

But just as important as "getting them where they live" is stopping the ability of these terrorist networks to access the Core via the "seam states" that lie along the Gap's bloody boundaries. It is along this seam that the Core will seek to suppress bad things coming out of the Gap. Which are some of these classic seam states? Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Greece, Turkey, Pakistan, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Indonesia come readily to mind. But the U.S. will not be the only Core state working this issue. For example, Russia has its own war on terrorism in the Caucasus, China is working its western border with more vigor, and Australia was recently energized (or was it cowed?) by the Bali bombing.

IF WE STEP BACK for a minute and consider the broader implications of this new global map, then U.S. national-security strategy would seem to be: 1) Increase the Core's immune system capabilities for responding to September 11-like system perturbations; 2) Work the seam states to firewall the Core from the Gap's worst exports, such as terror, drugs, and pandemics; and, most important, 3) Shrink the Gap. Notice I did not just say Mind the Gap.

The knee-jerk reaction of many Americans to September 11 is to say, "Let's get off our dependency on foreign oil, and then we won't have to deal with those people." The most naive assumption underlying that dream is that reducing what little connectivity the Gap has with the Core will render it less dangerous to us over the long haul. Turning the Middle East into Central Africa will not build a better world for my kids. We cannot simply will those people away.

The Middle East is the perfect place to start.

Diplomacy cannot work in a region where the biggest sources of insecurity lie not between states but within them. What is most wrong about the Middle East is the lack of personal freedom and how that translates into dead-end lives for most of the population, especially for the young. Some states like Qatar and Jordan are ripe for perestroika-like leaps into better political futures, thanks to younger leaders who see the inevitability of such change.

Iran is likewise waiting for the right Gorbachev to come along if he has not already.

What stands in the path of this change? Fear. Fear of tradition unraveling. Fear of the mullah's disapproval. Fear of being labeled a "bad" or "traitorous" Muslim state. Fear of becoming a target of radical groups and terrorist networks. But most of all, fear of being attacked from all sides for being different - the fear of becoming Israel.

The Middle East has long been a neighborhood of bullies eager to pick on the weak. Israel is still around because it has become sadly one of the toughest bullies on the block. The only thing that will change that nasty environment and open the floodgates for change is if some external power steps in and plays Leviathan full-time. Taking down Saddam, the region's bully-in-chief, will force the U.S. into playing that role far more fully than it has over the past several decades, primarily because Iraq is the Yugoslavia of the Middle East - a crossroads of civilizations that has historically required a dictatorship to keep the peace. As baby-sitting jobs go, this one will be a doozy, making our lengthy efforts in postwar Germany and Japan look simple in retrospect.

But it is the right thing to do, and now is the right time to do it, and we are the only country that can. Freedom cannot blossom in the Middle East without security, and security is this country's most influential public-sector export. By that I do not mean arms exports, but basically the attention paid by our military forces to any region's potential for mass violence. We are the only nation on earth capable of exporting security in a sustained fashion, and we have a very good track record of doing it.

Show me a part of the world that is secure in its peace and I will show you a strong or growing ties between local militaries and the U.S. military. Show me regions where major war is inconceivable and I will show you permanent U.S. military bases and long-term security alliances. Show me the strongest investment relationships in the global economy and I will show you two postwar military occupations that remade Europe and Japan following World War II.

This country has successfully exported security to globalization's Old Core (Western Europe, Northeast Asia) for half a century and to its emerging New Core (Developing Asia) for a solid quarter century following our mishandling of Vietnam. But our efforts in the Middle Ease have been inconsistent in Africa, almost nonexistent. Until we begin the systematic, long-term export of security to the Gap, it will increasingly export its pain to the Core in the form of terrorism and other instabilities.

Naturally, it will take a whole lot more than the U.S. exporting security to shrink the Gap. Africa, for example, will need far more aid than the Core has offered in the past, and the integration of the Gap will ultimately depend more on private investment than anything the Core's public sector can offer. But it all has to begin with security, because free markets and democracy cannot flourish amid chronic conflict.

Making this effort means reshaping our military establishment to mirror-image the challenge that we face. Think about it. Global war is not in the offing, primarily because our huge nuclear stockpile renders such war unthinkable for anyone. Meanwhile, classic state-on-state wars are becoming fairly rare. So if the United States is in the process of "transforming" its military to meet the threats of tomorrow, what should it end up looking like? In my mind, we fight fire with fire. If we live in a world increasingly populated by Super-Empowered Individuals, we field a military of Super-Empowered-Individuals.

This may sound like additional responsibility for an already overburdened military, but that is the wrong way of looking at it, for what we are dealing with here are problems of success, not failure. It is America's continued success in deterring global war and obsolescing state-on-state war that allows us to stick our noses into the far more difficult subnational conflicts and the dangerous transnational actors they spawn. I know most Americans do not want to hear this, but the real battlegrounds in the global war on terrorism are still over there. If gated communities and rent-a-cops were enough, September 11 never would have happened.

History is full of turning points like that terrible day, but no turning-back-points. We ignore the Gap's existence at our own peril, because it will not go away until we as a nation respond to the challenge of making globalization truly global.

Handicapping the Gap

My list of real trouble for the world in the 1990s, today, and tomorrow, starting in our own backyard:

1) HAITI-- Efforts to build a nation in 1990s were disappointing. We have been going into Haiti for about a century, and we will go back when boat people start flowing in during the next crisis ,without fail.

2) COLOMBIA -- Country is broken into several lawless chunks, with private armies, rebels, narcos, and legit government all working the place over. Drugs still flow. Ties between drug cartels and rebels grew over decade, and now we know of links to international terror, too. We get involved, keep promising more, and keep getting nowhere. Piecemeal, incremental approach is clearly not working.

3) BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA -- Both on the bubble between the Gap and the Functioning Core. Both played the globalization game to hilt in nineties and both feel abused now. The danger of falling off the wagon and going self-destructively leftist or rightist is very real. No military threats to speak of, except against their own democracies (the return of the generals). South American alliance MERCOSUR tries to carve out its own reality while Washington pushes Free Trade of Americas, but we may have to settle for agreements with Chile or for pulling only Chile into bigger NAFTA. Will Brazil and Argentina force themselves to be left out and then resent it? Amazon a large ungovernable area for Brazil, plus all that environmental damage continues to pile up. Will the world eventually care enough to step in?

4) FORMER YUGOSLAVIA-- For most of the past decade, served as shorthand for Europe's inability to get its act together even in its own backyard. Will be long-term baby-sitting job for the West.

5) CONGO AND RWANDA/BURUNDI-- Two to three million dead in central Africa from all the fighting across the decade. How much worse can it get before we try to do something, anything? Three million more dead? Congo is a carrion state, not quite dead or alive, and everyone is feeding off it. And then there's AIDS.

6) ANGOLA-- Never really has solved its ongoing civil war (1.5 million dead in past quarter century). Basically at conflict with self since mid-seventies, when Portuguese "empire" fell. Life expectancy right now is under forty!

7) SOUTH AFRICA-- The only functioning Core country in Africa, but it's on the bubble. Lots of concerns that South Africa is a gateway country for terror networks trying to access Core through back door. Endemic crime is biggest security threat. And then there's AIDS.

8) ISRAEL-PALESTINE-- Terror will not abate, there is no next generation in the West Bank that wants anything but more violence. Wall going up right now will be the Berlin Wall of twenty-first century. Eventually, outside powers will end up providing security to keep the two sides apart (this divorce is going to be very painful). There is always the chance of somebody (Saddam in desperation?) trying to light up Israel with weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and triggering the counterpunch we all fear Israel is capable of.

9) SAUDI ARABIA-- The let-them-eat-cake mentality of royal mafia will eventually trigger violent instability from within. o Paying terrorists protection money to stay away will likewise eventually fail, so danger will come from outside, too. Huge young population with little prospects for future, and a ruling elite whose main source of income is a declining long-term asset. And yet the oil will matter to enough of the world far enough into the future that the United States will never let this place really tank, no matter what it takes.

10) IRAQ-- Question of when and how, not if. Then there's the huge rehab job. We will have to build a security regime for the whole region.

11) SOMALIA-- Chronic lack of governance. Chronic food problems. Chronic problem of terrorist-network infiltration. o We went in with Marines and Special Forces and left disillusioned - a poor man's Vietnam for the 1990s. Will be hard-pressed not to return.

12) IRAN-- Counterrevolution has already begun: This time the students want to throw the mullahs out. Iran wants to be friends with U.S., but resurgence of fundamentalists may be the price we pay to invade Iraq. The mullahs support terror, and their push for WMD is real: Does this make them inevitable target once Iraq and North Korea are settled?

13) AFGHANISTAN-- Lawless, violent place even before the Taliban stepped onstage and started pulling it back toward seventh century (short trip) Government sold to Al Qaeda for pennies on the dollar. Big source of narcotics (heroin). Now U.S. stuck there for long haul, rooting out hardcore terrorists/rebels who've chosen to stay.

14) PAKISTAN-- There is always the real danger of their having the bomb and using it out of weakness in conflict with India (very close call with December 13, 2001, New Delhi bombing). Out of fear that Pakistan may fall to radical Muslims, we end up backing hard-line military types we don't really trust. Clearly infested with Al Qaeda. Was on its way to being declared a rogue state by U.S. until September 11 forced us to cooperate again. Simply put, Pakistan doesn't seem to control much of its own territory.

15) NORTH KOREA-- Marching toward WMD. Bizarre recent behavior of Pyongyang (admitting kidnappings, breaking promises on nukes, shipping weapons to places we disapprove of and getting caught, signing agreements with Japan that seem to signal new era, talking up new economic zone next to China) suggests it is intent (like some mental patient) on provoking crises. We live in fear of Kim's G_tterd_mmerung scenario (he is nuts). A Population deteriorating - how much more can they stand? After Iraq, may be next.

16) INDONESIA-- Usual fears about breakup and "world's largest Muslim population." Casualty of Asian economic crisis (really got wiped out). Hot spot for terror networks, as we have discovered.

New/integrating members of Core I worry may be lost in coming year:

17) CHINA-- Running lots of races against itself in terms of reducing the unprofitable state-run enterprises while not triggering too much unemployment, plus dealing with all that growth in energy demand and accompanying pollution, plus coming pension crisis as population ages. New generation of leaders looks suspiciously like unimaginative technocrats - big question if they are up to task. If none of those macro pressures trigger internal instability, there is always the fear that the Communist party won't go quietly into the night in terms of allowing more political freedoms and that at some point, economic freedom won't be enough for the masses. Right now the CCP is very corrupt and mostly a parasite on the country, but it still calls the big shots in Beijing. Army seems to be getting more disassociated from society and reality, focusing ever more myopically on countering U.S. threat to their ability to threaten Taiwan, which remains the one flash point that could matter. And then there's AIDS.

18) RUSSIA-- Putin has long way to go in his dictatorship of the law; the mafia and robber barons still have too much power. Chechnya and the near-abroad in general will drag Moscow into violence, but it will be kept within the federation by and large. U.S. moving into Central Asia is a testy thing - a relationship that can sour if not handled just right. o Russia has so many internal problems (financial weakness, environmental damage, et cetera) and depends too much on energy exports to feel safe (does bringing Iraq back online after invasion kill their golden goose?). And then there's AIDS.

19) INDIA-- First, there's always the danger of nuking it out with Pakistan. Short of that, Kashmir pulls them into conflict with Pak, and that involves U.S. now in way it never did before due to war on terror. o India is microcosm of globalization: the high tech, the massive poverty, the islands of development, the tensions between cultures/civilizations/religions/et cetera. It is too big to succeed, and too big to let fail. Wants to be big responsible military player in region, wants to be strong friend of U.S., and also wants desperately to catch up with China in development (the self-imposed pressure to succeed is enormous). And then there's AIDS.

Web link to download this document:

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets

/ThePentagonsNewMap.htm

Actual document is from:

http://www.oft.osd.mil/initiatives/

ncw/docs/The_Pentagon_s_New_Map.doc

Boon, I read your link - nothing to do with 911 though. 

have a read of this. 

My Webpage

High-Ranking Army

Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon

Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings

Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates

Depleted Uranium Used.

http://rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

It seems that nearly everyone on the planet, realises something is amiss, except for Boon Mee and his entourage. 

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Gent, don't you find it a bit strange that someone would happen to be standing downwind with a gieger counter at the exact time the Pentagon was hit?

And, to quote your other link: "Forget Jamie Gorelick. Forget trumped-up allegations that former Clinton Administration officials were weak on terror..." not 'trumped up' in the least. It's common knowledge the blow-dried Bubba was much more interested in BJs than fighting terror.

Try again.

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Couldn't agree more if you acknowledge that GWB is giving/getting the same from the Saudis.

Lets hope the war games going on with Russia and China is a training excercise to bomb the ###### out of the US. I will pray for it!

Lets hope the war games going on with Russia and China is a training excercise to bomb the ###### out of the US. I will pray for it!

You're starting to lose it again, Gent...

It gets tough to build up your post count after every suspension or banning. Take it easy - remember that blood pressure!

Lets hope the war games going on with Russia and China is a training excercise to bomb the ###### out of the US. I will pray for it!

I'm sorry, that's just not called for either.

Lets hope the war games going on with Russia and China is a training excercise to bomb the ###### out of the US. I will pray for it!

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I'm sorry, that's just not called for either.

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grab five baht and call someone who cares. Killing over 200,000 Iraqis and bombing a country with depleted uranium shells is out of order - I hope I get up one morning and turn the TV on, to see the US in flames - deal with it!

Lets hope the war games going on with Russia and China is a training excercise to bomb the ###### out of the US. I will pray for it!

I'm sorry, that's just not called for either.

Well, between the Gent & Butterfly we have a contest to see which one will turf themselves off first!

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Is this really necessary?

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No, it's not, but K. Butterfly is on another one of his crusades which, 100% of the time, culminate in his being suspended from TV for a spell.

Any bets how long he can last this time?

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Butterly - its like dealing with children. I wonder if Boon Mee's mother/sister smacked him enough, as he clearly cannot comprehend right and wrong.

Is this really necessary?

No, it's not, but K. Butterfly is on another one of his crusades which, 100% of the time, culminate in his being suspended from TV for a spell.

Any bets how long he can last this time?

Butterly - its like dealing with children. I wonder if Boon Mee's mother/sister smacked him enough, as he clearly cannot comprehend right and wrong.

You're obviously off those little blue pills there, Gent.

Chai Yen, buddy!

Well, I'd hate to see my friends and family get bombed...or even my ex neighbors and even that one guy who was such a shhit head who I had to work with...I like to imagine him getting bombed but when it comes down to the reality of it I guess I'd rather not have it happen.....but he really was a total shhit head.

About depleted uranium shells: I'm not sure if people are aware that these are NOT nuclear devices and they do NOT spread vast quantities of radioactive material around. In making shells capable of piercing thick layers of armor or reinforced concrete it is an advantage to make the shell as massive (heavy) as possible but for a given size of gun you are limiited as to how big you can make the shell....so the thing to do is to use the most dense (how doooo you spell densist or densest or dentist?) material that you can find. For regular bullets like a civilian uses they are traditionally made of lead which is dense, inexpensive, and easy to mold. Lead is, however, toxic to wildlife so in the US you are not allowed to use lead anymore and they use something else...bismuth I think but not sure. To make a long story shorter, depleted uranium is very very dense and therefore makes good armor piercing shells. Depleted uranium is the kind of Uranium that is only barely radioactive...it is not the highly radioactiave kind used for making bombs. This same 'depleted' type of uranium is used in glass making to give glass a yellow or amber color....it is very very slightly radioactive. I am not saying that there is no side effect from using depleted uranium in shells...I have read some evidence that the uranium is poisonous and is causing problems with peoples health...and...of course...spreading any radioactive materials around is not a good idea and will not benefit anyone.

This post is meant to be informational and the poster is not making any statement about the arguements at hand....in otherwords....I'm off topic once again.

About depleted uranium shells:  I'm not sure if people are aware that these are NOT nuclear devices and they do NOT spread vast quantities of radioactive material around.  In making shells capable of piercing thick layers of armor or reinforced concrete it is an advantage to make the shell as massive (heavy) as .

This post is meant to be informational and the poster is not making any statement about the arguements at hand....in otherwords....I'm off topic once again.

That's OK Stroll - that's why we're in Bedlam.

Looser moderation issues.

Well, I'd hate to see my friends and family get bombed...or even my ex neighbors and even that one guy who was such a shhit head who I had to work with...I like to imagine him getting bombed but when it comes down to the reality of it I guess I'd rather not have it happen.....but he really was a total shhit head.

About depleted uranium shells:  I'm not sure if people are aware that these are NOT nuclear devices and they do NOT spread vast quantities of radioactive material around.  In making shells capable of piercing thick layers of armor or reinforced concrete it is an advantage to make the shell as massive (heavy) as possible but for a given size of gun you are limiited as to how big you can make the shell....so the thing to do is to use the most dense  (how doooo you spell densist or densest or dentist?) material that you can find.  For regular bullets like a civilian uses they are traditionally made of lead which is dense, inexpensive, and easy to mold.  Lead is, however, toxic to wildlife so in the US you are not allowed to use lead anymore and they use something else...bismuth I think but not sure.  To make a long story shorter, depleted uranium is very very dense and therefore makes good armor piercing shells.  Depleted uranium is the kind of Uranium that is only barely radioactive...it is not the highly radioactiave kind used for making bombs.  This same 'depleted' type of uranium is used in glass making to give glass a yellow or amber color....it is very very slightly radioactive.  I am not saying that there is no side effect from using depleted uranium in shells...I have read some evidence that the uranium is poisonous and is causing problems with peoples health...and...of course...spreading any radioactive materials around is not a good idea and will not benefit anyone.

This post is meant to be informational and the poster is not making any statement about the arguements at hand....in otherwords....I'm off topic once again.

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more research needed, maybe check The World Health Organisation, Scientific research or even what the (ex) US military scientists have written in countless articles.

Depleted Uranium attacks DNA.

Well, I'd hate to see my friends and family get bombed...or even my ex neighbors and even that one guy who was such a shhit head who I had to work with...I like to imagine him getting bombed but when it comes down to the reality of it I guess I'd rather not have it happen.....but he really was a total shhit head.

About depleted uranium shells:  I'm not sure if people are aware that these are NOT nuclear devices and they do NOT spread vast quantities of radioactive material around.  In making shells capable of piercing thick layers of armor or reinforced concrete it is an advantage to make the shell as massive (heavy) as possible but for a given size of gun you are limiited as to how big you can make the shell....so the thing to do is to use the most dense  (how doooo you spell densist or densest or dentist?) material that you can find.  For regular bullets like a civilian uses they are traditionally made of lead which is dense, inexpensive, and easy to mold.  Lead is, however, toxic to wildlife so in the US you are not allowed to use lead anymore and they use something else...bismuth I think but not sure.  To make a long story shorter, depleted uranium is very very dense and therefore makes good armor piercing shells.  Depleted uranium is the kind of Uranium that is only barely radioactive...it is not the highly radioactiave kind used for making bombs.  This same 'depleted' type of uranium is used in glass making to give glass a yellow or amber color....it is very very slightly radioactive.  I am not saying that there is no side effect from using depleted uranium in shells...I have read some evidence that the uranium is poisonous and is causing problems with peoples health...and...of course...spreading any radioactive materials around is not a good idea and will not benefit anyone.

This post is meant to be informational and the poster is not making any statement about the arguements at hand....in otherwords....I'm off topic once again.

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more research needed, maybe check The World Health Organisation, Scientific research or even what the (ex) US military scientists have written in countless articles.

Depleted Uranium attacks DNA.

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So does some soya products.