What Stops The Vigo From Rolling Over ?

[Velocette]

I'm thinking of getting a 08 Vigo G, it's an auto with 4 doors, has ABS and I believe two airbags, alledgedly low miles and book service, asking 580, which seems a reasonable price.

However, having seen the video of the Moose test where the Vigo lost control, I can't help feeling that if that were me drivng, and as I'm nowhere as skilled as the Moose tester ( who actually balanced the Vigo on the two nearside wheels and countersteered it back down to earth ) whereas I would doubtless have lost the plot and be on my ear !

So having searched far and wide I've failed to find a solution for adding stability to the Vigo, that is on Vigo's pre Nov 08 ( I'm informed by Kata that Toyota introduced VSC post November 08 )

One TV Vigo owner says he has no handling probs, having fitted fatter tyres, and gas shocks. Which sounds positive, but still, I wonder would it pass the Moose test.

And what about all the other pre VSC Vigo's out there, is there nothing that the owners can do, are they just too tall and narrow to take aggressive swerving ?

Are all they accidents waiting to happen, or am I just another hyporchondriac ?

[H2oDunc]

There is a very reliable, cheap and guaranteed fix to ensure your ride does not tip over. All you have to do is NOT drive it like some Michael Schumaker wannabe <deleted> and you will be fine. Easy really!. No need to fit new suspension or tyres.

Remember it is a utility vehicle not a sports car.

[Thanyaburi Mac]

There is a very reliable, cheap and guaranteed fix to ensure your ride does not tip over. All you have to do is NOT drive it like some Michael Schumaker wannabe <deleted> and you will be fine. Easy really!. No need to fit new suspension or tyres.

Remember it is a utility vehicle not a sports car.

Agree, plus, have yet to see a moose here in Thailand!

Mac

[katabeachbum]

There is a very reliable, cheap and guaranteed fix to ensure your ride does not tip over. All you have to do is NOT drive it like some Michael Schumaker wannabe <deleted> and you will be fine. Easy really!. No need to fit new suspension or tyres.

Remember it is a utility vehicle not a sports car.

Agree, plus, have yet to see a moose here in Thailand!

Mac

in the moose test OP referes to conducted by swedish teknikens varld, the Vigo tested was on 16" wheels. on 15" wheels it would (did later) pass the same test. the 16' wheels provides increased traction preventing truck from sliding, but flips more easily.

most drivers never do a moose test. most drivers arent as skilled as the scandinavians used to driving on ice and snow and avoiding moose coming out from the forests. most drivers would crash and not make a moose manouvre

in comparison i drive my friends 2008 mazda BT50 on occasions, and the traction is terrible. the curves i do 120kmh with 2010 Vigo on 17", can only be done in 80kmh with Mazda on 16" and then with a slide. But the Mazda is less likely to fail a moose test due to the low traction, it will slide but not flip

I would not be concerned about the better traction of Vigo, and I would not be concerned about flipping during a moose manouvre. Its not likely you will drive like that

I m not sure if Navara has ever been moose tested, but I belive it would handle very similar to Vigo if both on 16" similar tyres

The other trucks in LOS dont have as good traction as Vigo and Navara

[Velocette]

I have the same ride but 2007. Unless you want to go rallying in your 2008 then you will be very pleased with it. I have never had a dodgy moment, in fact l feel very comfortable in mine but have felt very uncomfortable in other makes l have driven. If l thought it was dangerous l would be honest and tell you. Our kata has had a few so l hope he can give you some input, as well as others. Toyota has added some stability stuff on later models, bigger brakes as well but you will have to spend another 400k for that. You will enjoy the feel of your truck, remembering it is a truck.

Thank you Transam, for your comforting and informative reply . Although I must confess, having read many of your threads where you display a large appetite for speed and power, through electronic wizardry and gizmo's. And a vague memory of 'spirited' overtaking by your good self, so in all fairness, it's actually hard to believe that your drag style antics (no reference to your wardrobe ) have not produced many very dodgy moments

I in contrast, would be considered very sedate. Many years ago I drove HGV's, Mercs, Fiats and Hino's so I do have some appreciation of mass and velocity, and how scary it can be when things go a little arseways

[Big Guns]

The Vigo was the only Japanese pickup to fail the Elk test. Only the current top model has VSC but looking at the Elk test it certainly needs it! It doesn't appear to have been safety tested by NCAP (I guess they aren't very popular in Europe). The Navarra performed so poorly on NCAP coupled with an entire watchdog programme dedicated to customer complaints, prompted Nissan to heavily revise it. Interestingly the safest Japanese pickup according to NCAP is the Mitsubishi Triton which achieved 4 stars

[Velocette]

There is a very reliable, cheap and guaranteed fix to ensure your ride does not tip over. All you have to do is NOT drive it like some Michael Schumaker wannabe <deleted> and you will be fine. Easy really!. No need to fit new suspension or tyres.

Remember it is a utility vehicle not a sports car.

Agree, plus, have yet to see a moose here in Thailand!

Mac

in the moose test OP referes to conducted by swedish teknikens varld, the Vigo tested was on 16" wheels. on 15" wheels it would (did later) pass the same test. the 16' wheels provides increased traction preventing truck from sliding, but flips more easily.

most drivers never do a moose test. most drivers arent as skilled as the scandinavians used to driving on ice and snow and avoiding moose coming out from the forests. most drivers would crash and not make a moose manouvre

in comparison i drive my friends 2008 mazda BT50 on occasions, and the traction is terrible. the curves i do 120kmh with 2010 Vigo on 17", can only be done in 80kmh with Mazda on 16" and then with a slide. But the Mazda is less likely to fail a moose test due to the low traction, it will slide but not flip

I would not be concerned about the better traction of Vigo, and I would not be concerned about flipping during a moose manouvre. Its not likely you will drive like that

I m not sure if Navara has ever been moose tested, but I belive it would handle very similar to Vigo if both on 16" similar tyres

The other trucks in LOS dont have as good traction as Vigo and Navara

Wow good news, there is a fix ! . .so one inch determines whether one slides or flips, thank you Kata. Perhaps 15" wheels are the standard size for pre 09 Vigo ?

Seems that as long as I have 15" wheels, within reason , I'm far less likely to flip over. And I think your saying wheel size is a personal chice, and that you would be comfortable with 16's, accepting extra traction as the pay off.

I'm wondering if for some, along with extra traction, cosmetics is the reason for larger wheels, larger is sexier, so the 17's you speak of is like Viagra for Vigo's .

One dark wet night I was driving along a winding country lane in Ireland, I came around a bend to see a horse running straight towards me ( a month prior to this, a driver hit a horse, it's head broke the windscreen and entered the cab, decapitating his wife ) instinctively I swerved to avoid it, I skidded sideways onto the wrong side of the road struggling to get control and to stop the car from flipping over, more by luck than skill I survived. So maybe that was my Moose test.

And when I observe the dynamics of the local traffic here in Samutprakarn, I can only think of scenes from Max Max and think of words like Kamikazi and Death Wish, I'm thinking a Moose test after this, is a walk in the park

[ilyelol]

you guys seem to forget that there's more mooses here than anywhere else, they are called samlors.

[Velocette]

Your motor will have 16 inch rims, same as mine, 17 on late models. The base model Vigos have 15 inch and narrower track, and of course they are lower to the ground.

For fun, look at youtube, BBC top gear Polar trip. They picked the best truck for the job, heavily modified but good fun.

Flippin' eck, don't suppose they do a fatter tyre than the standard 16" . . . . .ooeer missus . . . . life's full of compromises . .still you seem perfectly content with your Vigo and it's manners, so maybe I shouldn't sweat the small stuff

Just crossed my neurotic mind, was the Moose test Vigo a 4wd, and if it was, would the 2wd fare any different ? . . . the permutations is making me head spin. The Vigo I'm considering is a 2wd version, which is probably thought of as just a little too gay by some hearabouts. It's obviously lighter and would handle differently, and have less traction, I'll warrant. Why didn't I study physics at school instead of reading Dan Dare, then I could answer my own questions.

Can't watch youtube as my speakers are awol, but will as soon as their sorted.

[dominique355]

Don't forget: The Toyota Vigo is a TRUCK. It's not a normal passenger vehicle, it's a heavy duty commercial 1 ton truck. And you should drive it the way you drive a truck.

It has drum brakes (on the rear axle), a stiff, sturdy chassis (no crumpling zone), leaf spring life rear axle .. in one word, technology of about 1940.

You can put CD players and Sat Nav in it, rain sensor and what not, but it remains a truck!

Don't forget that.

[Kwasaki]

l will answer the post, " by driving it properly " you can turn anything over if you want to car / truck / lorry / coach, in any given situation.

It's a fliging truck for christ sake.

Edited October 20, 2010 by Kwasaki

[elkangorito]

There is a very reliable, cheap and guaranteed fix to ensure your ride does not tip over. All you have to do is NOT drive it like some Michael Schumaker wannabe <deleted> and you will be fine. Easy really!. No need to fit new suspension or tyres.

Remember it is a utility vehicle not a sports car.

I fully concur.

Any twit with half a brain would already know this. Technology cannot compensate for idiocy. Oops! Previous US presidents may be an exception.

FYI, 'Breathing' info is available at wwww.dumblond.cum

I just couldn't help myself...555555

Edited October 20, 2010 by elkangorito

[bagatelle]

When the first Vigo came out they were notorious for rollovers. Even the mechanic at the Toyota dealer I went to said so. I didn't really condsider his advice until I saw many Vigos flip over right in front of my eyes near where I live. Not just one but many, many times. Not sure why though. However the brakes where horrible.

But I heard Toyota made some changes to the suspension and brakes since 2008.

[Kwasaki]

When the first Vigo came out they were notorious for rollovers. Even the mechanic at the Toyota dealer I went to said so. I didn't really condsider his advice until I saw many Vigos flip over right in front of my eyes near where I live. Not just one but many, many times. Not sure why though. However the brakes where horrible.

But I heard Toyota made some changes to the suspension and brakes since 2008.

Sorry don't believe you l think you were dreaming, top of the range never tip over and if you were able to do that you could do the same in anything.:jap:

[SoloFlyer]

I hear the Pajero tips - 4 at my dealer this month, 2 in the one day. People tell me of an anti-roll/sliding device that goes between the two back wheels, not sure what they called in English. Anyone know of these?

[MoonRiverOasis]

I hear the Pajero tips - 4 at my dealer this month, 2 in the one day. People tell me of an anti-roll/sliding device that goes between the two back wheels, not sure what they called in English. Anyone know of these?

Heard of anti roll or sway bars, fitted back and/or front but not that. Sure Kata or MRO will divulge all.

I was going to stay away from this topic

How Stabilizer Bars Work - all pickups and PPV's have had them for more than a decade.

Vigo's don't flip by themselves, Pajero's dont flip for kicks, Corolla's don't flipping do anything well . People driving beyond their capacity and/or the prevailing conditions can flip any one of them though

[Kwasaki]

I hear the Pajero tips - 4 at my dealer this month, 2 in the one day. People tell me of an anti-roll/sliding device that goes between the two back wheels, not sure what they called in English. Anyone know of these?

Heard of anti roll or sway bars, fitted back and/or front but not that. Sure Kata or MRO will divulge all.

I was going to stay away from this topic

How Stabilizer Bars Work - all pickups and PPV's have had them for more than a decade.

Vigo's don't flip by themselves, Pajero's dont flip for kicks, Corolla's don't flipping do anything well . People driving beyond their capacity and/or the prevailing conditions can flip any one of them though

l wasn't go to stay with this topic either but haven't l already pointed this out or have l not been here long enough.

Edited October 22, 2010 by Kwasaki

[harrry]

Many years ago there was a spate of single vehicle accidents ( roll overs) in Australia with FJ holdens. It took a while to realise that people had fitted them with Wintertread tyres and this caused them to grip better and then roll. I wonder if the Vigos aiming at the moose had winter tread tyres for the conditions in Scandanavia.

[Kwasaki]

I hear the Pajero tips - 4 at my dealer this month, 2 in the one day. People tell me of an anti-roll/sliding device that goes between the two back wheels, not sure what they called in English. Anyone know of these?

Heard of anti roll or sway bars, fitted back and/or front but not that. Sure Kata or MRO will divulge all.

I was going to stay away from this topic

How Stabilizer Bars Work - all pickups and PPV's have had them for more than a decade.

Vigo's don't flip by themselves, Pajero's dont flip for kicks, Corolla's don't flipping do anything well . People driving beyond their capacity and/or the prevailing conditions can flip any one of them though

l wasn't go to stay with this topic either but haven't l already pointed this out or have l not been here long enough.

No probs, a bit of confusion with your FLIGING truck but all sorted and understood now ol' chum.

Nice one, l'm laughing my nuts off, meaning me not the truck.

[MoonRiverOasis]

Many years ago there was a spate of single vehicle accidents ( roll overs) in Australia with FJ holdens. It took a while to realise that people had fitted them with Wintertread tyres and this caused them to grip better and then roll. I wonder if the Vigos aiming at the moose had winter tread tyres for the conditions in Scandanavia.

Must admit I had to Google "FJ Holden"...

You're talking about a car that was made between 1953 and 1957 - even with it's paltry 65HP I'm sure it didn't just flip, but rolled, slid, bounced and skated as well

Chassis, suspension and tire technology has come a heck of a long way in the past 57 years, hehe

Still, if you were around to drive one of those things when new, and are still lucid enough the post here, hat's off to you "mate"!

[MoonRiverOasis]

l wasn't go to stay with this topic either but haven't l already pointed this out or have l not been here long enough.

I think T/A was just suggesting one of us opinionated loud mouths would no doubt stick our nose into this one

[Kwasaki]

l wasn't go to stay with this topic either but haven't l already pointed this out or have l not been here long enough.

I think T/A was just suggesting one of us opinionated loud mouths would no doubt stick our nose into this one

Repect to you and T/A, l get fed up with Toyota knockers.

[Kwasaki]

We learned today that Toyota now manufacture a 4x2 diesel AUTO Vigo.

KUN16R-PRPSYT/A5 with knockers :jap:

[BSJ]

Fuji Skamawaki sell electronic moose detectors on their web site. $39.95 + postage

[MoonRiverOasis]

We learned today that Toyota now manufacture a 4x2 diesel AUTO Vigo.

Exciting news! Can you back-date your post to August 2004 so as not to alarm people who might read it and think it's something new?

[MoonRiverOasis]

We learned today that Toyota now manufacture a 4x2 diesel AUTO Vigo.

Exciting news! Can you back-date your post to August 2004 so as not to alarm people who might read it and think it's something new?

My understanding was in LOS auto only on 4x4 diesel and the 2.7 petrol . No auto on Prerunner diesel etc. So whats cooking here.

The 2.7L Petrol extra-cab RWD 4AT was released in 2006 (and upgraded to Smart-cab in 2009), the extra-cab RWD 4AT 3.0L Diesel was available for one year only in 2007, but the 4-door RWD 4AT 3.0L "G" grade has been available every year since it was first introduced in Aug 2004.Maybe you don't take any notice of them because they don't have the 4WD/Pre-runner's jacked up suspension?

Edited October 25, 2010 by MoonRiverOasis

[Velocette]

We learned today that Toyota now manufacture a 4x2 diesel AUTO Vigo.

Exciting news! Can you back-date your post to August 2004 so as not to alarm people who might read it and think it's something new?

My understanding was in LOS auto only on 4x4 diesel and the 2.7 petrol . No auto on Prerunner diesel etc. So whats cooking here.

The 2.7L Petrol extra-cab RWD 4AT was released in 2006 (and upgraded to Smart-cab in 2009), the extra-cab RWD 4AT 3.0L Diesel was available for one year only in 2007, but the 4-door RWD 4AT 3.0L "G" grade has been available every year since it was first introduced in Aug 2004.Maybe you don't take any notice of them because they don't have the 4WD/Pre-runner's jacked up suspension?

Yes we called the dealer who confirmed that the Vigo below is only 2WD (on 15's) and is SOLD, I was too slow off the mark , it looks brand and new had only 13,000km and book service.

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[phutoie2]

We learned today that Toyota now manufacture a 4x2 diesel AUTO Vigo.

Exciting news! Can you back-date your post to August 2004 so as not to alarm people who might read it and think it's something new?

My understanding was in LOS auto only on 4x4 diesel and the 2.7 petrol . No auto on Prerunner diesel etc. So whats cooking here.

The 2.7L Petrol extra-cab RWD 4AT was released in 2006 (and upgraded to Smart-cab in 2009), the extra-cab RWD 4AT 3.0L Diesel was available for one year only in 2007, but the 4-door RWD 4AT 3.0L "G" grade has been available every year since it was first introduced in Aug 2004.Maybe you don't take any notice of them because they don't have the 4WD/Pre-runner's jacked up suspension?

And the fact that it does not have any of those silly Pre-runner transfers plastered over it.

Several manufactures over here have the raised and low height pick ups.

Ford Ranger & Ranger Hi Rider

Mazda BT50 & Hi Racer

Isuzu D Max Hi Lander & D Max SX/SLX