EU Issues Stern Measures On Six Thai Vegetables

[Shiver]

now we know why so many thai people die on cancer, it's not only high alcohohl consumption

think about the food you get in the restaurants here, even the expensive ones....

sometimes i see thai people picking veggies on the side of the road where a oil water mix makes the vegiies grow

It's one of the reasons we die of cancer. Probably the biggest culprit is the level of toxins we all absorb. If you were around in the days when lead was in fuel then that means you. Heavy metal chelation is a very successful way of reducing your chances of getting cancer. The reason I write this in a vegetables thread is this:

When fruit and vegetables are attacked by fungi or insects, they produce something called Salvesterols in the skin (Resveratrol is just one of them). Salvesterol Q70 is a particularly potent one. The human body has adapted to use these salvesterols, but in a different way. In treating cancer it's important to be able to differentiate between a healthy cell and one that we call cancer (a fungus actually). In a cancer cell there's one particular mutation which is a cytochrome called CYP1B1. Salvesterols will destroy a cell with this feature while leaving others alone.

This would be great news if the vegetation we eat contained a lot of salvesterols, but because they're grown with pesticides they never really learn to fend for themselves, so they never develop this defence. So it's not so much that they're failing to remove the pesticides that should be a concern, so much as that they never should be used in the first place. Today it's all about making beautiful flawless shrink wrapped produce. What we should be eating is the scabby pock marked vegetation that's done a few rounds.

[stolidfeline]

" And much food these days in those first world countries is pretty tasteless. One should ask why this is... "

Excuse me, but I rather doubt that anything could be more tasteless than Thai chicken and pork. Most people I know actually can't tell the difference. And where is this beautiful produce of which you speak? The vegetables all look like the stuff we throw out in England.

Edited October 20, 2010 by stolidfeline

[rheinwiese]

I guess everybody remembers the melamine tainted milk scandal in 2008.

60 tonnes of the Chinese milk powder was found in Thailand, imported by Dutch Mill.

I wonder what happened with that stuff.

Return to sender?

What did our friend Chalerm (2008 Thai Public Health Minister)do about it?

Read for yourself.

Oct 2, 2008

The Nation:

Public Health Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung is scheduled to meet the Chinese ambassador to discuss the imports of melamine-contaminated milk and milk-based products.

He said he was afraid the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s report on the contaminated imports would affect Thailand's trade ties with China.

He said he would ask people who personally know the Chinese ambassador and the chairman of the Chinese Association in Thailand to first explain the situation to the envoy in an informal setting.

"I did not mean that I am afraid of China, but we [the government] have to be concerned about our commercial relationship, because Thailand trades a lot with China," he said.

Chalerm has also advised the FDA to issue a press release instead of holding a press conference to explain the situation. He said public declarations of the problem would have an adverse effect on China.

He worried that China might think that FDA's action would create trade barrier for its product import to kingdom.

Meanwhile, the FDA is freezing 60 tonnes of milk powder imported by Dutch Mill for further investigation and results should be released within the week. If the powder is found contaminated, the FDA will reject the import permit for this shipment.

[DickFarang]

" And much food these days in those first world countries is pretty tasteless. One should ask why this is... "

Excuse me, but I rather doubt that anything could be more tasteless than Thai chicken and pork. Most people I know actually can't tell the difference. And where is this beautiful produce of which you speak? The vegetables all look like the stuff we throw out in England.

And the farmed fishes and shrimps tasting like mud, if not completely tasteless, and therefore heavily spiced.

[femi fan]

" And much food these days in those first world countries is pretty tasteless. One should ask why this is... "

Excuse me, but I rather doubt that anything could be more tasteless than Thai chicken and pork. Most people I know actually can't tell the difference. And where is this beautiful produce of which you speak? The vegetables all look like the stuff we throw out in England.

You have got to be joking. Pork, although i no longer eat it, in thailand is very very tasty. In england it's tasteless. Chicken too in england is tasteless. In thailand to be fair it's nowhere near as tasty as pork.

And i wasn't talking about any 'beautiful' produce, so not sure what you mean there.

Eggs, bacon, water melons, bananas, all are virtually tasteless in australia. They're just from memory.

Basically eating food in thailand is going to be less dangerous than eating food in developed nations, especially america.

The really sad thing however is that our most basic physiological needs should be so contaminated by companies seeking their maximum profits. All that rise in cancer and other chronic diseases are mostly down to these companies and their pushing of chemicals into the production of food. Thailand is only lagging behind developed nations where those companies come from. Unfortunately those chemical pushers have gotten into thai and other developed nations' farms these days.

[Tokay]

Anyone know of an ORGANIC food store in Pattaya?

I keep hearing about how bad the veggies are, would like to get some clean ones if possible.

[thaimat]

<br />Anyone know of an ORGANIC food store in Pattaya?<br /><br />I keep hearing about how bad the veggies are, would like to get some clean ones if possible.<br />

<br /><br /><br /> Remember the deaths from "tainted" spinach and lettuces in the states over the last 8 years? The FDA released findings that potentially fatal salmonella and e.coli bacteria can live in animal manures for up to 6 months outside. To (safely) use the animal wastes as fertilizer, it must be composted correctly for 6 months. You think farmers take the time to do that here? So organically grown produce can be as unhealthy as the pesticide laden ones. I visited one "organic" farm, when the govt. came in and was clouding the area with pesticide to kill mosquitos, as they do here. The only completely safe growing system is aquaponics, a closed loop system, where only water from fish tanks is used to grow the plants. No fertilizers or chemicals can be used, as they would kill the fish.

[PEP]

I don't know of any pestacide used in our area for, Rice / Vegetables or Fruit except DDT. which is also used in the bi-annual anti mosquito fogging.

Most economical fertalizer universally used is Chicken manure from the commercial farms (with all its "addatives"). It's currently available from our local Or Par Or free of charge as a government grant.

The bonus fertaliszer (again free) is when you can get the local septic tank man to empty his load of pumped out human waste onto your market garden or rice paddy field. This is the norm, not an unusual occourance!

Eat up and enjoy, raw or cooked, as I have done for the last 10 years and hopefully for another 10 years.

Edited October 21, 2010 by PEP

[spencerthailand]

I've come across a small organic vegetable store at Saladeng (Adams Organic, 5/26-29 Saladaeng Rd, next to an Italian restaurant) They have their own farm not far from Bangkok. While they have only a small selection, they seem to be good and trustworthy.

[BlackJack]

i have been drinking the vegetable juice everyday and have grown an extra leg

[wileycoyote]

Anyone "taking home " vegetables from Thailand to the UK ,should have a look at the DEFRA site

http://dontbringmeback.direct.gov.uk/index.html

[wileycoyote]

http://dontbringmeback.direct.gov.uk/index.html

Will be the best guide for you ,if taking home "food stuffs" to the UK

[Randee]

for all fresh fruit, veg or salad leave it soaking in a bucket or bowl of detergent water for 30 minutes then give it a good rinse using a sponge to mop and wipe.

for tougher items use the toilet hose spray to blast away any sh_t --- pun intended

[Randee]

Anyone know of an ORGANIC food store in Pattaya?

I keep hearing about how bad the veggies are, would like to get some clean ones if possible.

go to tesco lotus

[moetownblues]

I remember about 3 yrs ago Australia banned the importation of farmed prawns from Thailand because they were found to have high chemical levels. I guess it is not just vegetables from thailand that are suspect.

[moetownblues]

" And much food these days in those first world countries is pretty tasteless. One should ask why this is... "

Excuse me, but I rather doubt that anything could be more tasteless than Thai chicken and pork. Most people I know actually can't tell the difference. And where is this beautiful produce of which you speak? The vegetables all look like the stuff we throw out in England.

We grow about 90% of our own vegetables (Chemicla free) only have to buy a small portion every couple of months.

[bkk_mike]

"Also, she met with a ranking executive of Harrods, London's most famous department store, in an attempt to find ways for more Thai produce to be sold at the store"

Proof that Thai business does have a plan, baht up, sterling down, sell to the rich

Shopping at Harrods now is so cheap for those who can afford it. That's maybe why this Thai official is going to Harrods.

Am I the only one thinking that Mrs Pornthiva deserves congratulations for managing to arrange for a government sponsored trip to England so that she can go shopping at Harrods.

[LivinLOS]

"Also, she met with a ranking executive of Harrods, London's most famous department store, in an attempt to find ways for more Thai produce to be sold at the store"

Proof that Thai business does have a plan, baht up, sterling down, sell to the rich

Simply pursuing the standard... Less customers raise the price routine..

After Harrods, where next ??

[LivinLOS]

Basically eating food in thailand is going to be less dangerous than eating food in developed nations, especially america.

If you truly believe this your deluded..

Theres little to no consumer control here.. Load the shrimp with anti biotics.. Paint the red pork with cancer causing dies, use peticides in any amount, no one checks, no one cares.

The west may be far too factory food (easy to avoid if you spend money on local organic produce) but at least theres standards.

[SergeiY]

Anyone "taking home " vegetables from Thailand to the UK ,should have a look at the DEFRA site

http://dontbringmeback.direct.gov.uk/index.html

The web site says that i cannot bring 'cheese' from the USA to the UK.

Reminds me on the

with Borat in the US of A.

[Spee]

Yeah, the EU economy isn't screwed up enough yet. Reminds me of the Eddie Murphy as Reggie Hammond cop imitation bar scene in "48 Hours" ......."Let's see what we can &lt;deleted&gt; with next!"

[Spee]

Late last year a bulk carrier of Thai Rice was rejected in Australia for 8.6 (eight decimal six) times the MAXIMUM level for human consumption of DDT.

Sorry this one registers pretty high on my bullshit detector. Not saying the news report isn't valid. Only suggesting this is likely to be a case of a government bureaucracy run amok, or some other covered up reason. If nothing else, I would suspect the so-called "maximum level" is probably some government artificial politically correct super low value.

[Thai at Heart]

Late last year a bulk carrier of Thai Rice was rejected in Australia for 8.6 (eight decimal six) times the MAXIMUM level for human consumption of DDT.

Sorry this one registers pretty high on my bullshit detector. Not saying the news report isn't valid. Only suggesting this is likely to be a case of a government bureaucracy run amok, or some other covered up reason. If nothing else, I would suspect the so-called "maximum level" is probably some government artificial politically correct super low value.

Agricultural produce from certain parts of Isaan does indeed show up with DDT under pesticide residue testing. Depends on the destination country's testing limits, and for DDT it is very low.

Cypermethrin is the bane of the agricultural industry in Thailand and other parts of South East Asia. It is cheap, and farmers love it because it knocks down everything very quickly.