Leaked DSI Reports Connect Thai Soldiers To Two Shootings

[webfact]

Leaked reports tie soldiers to two shooting

By Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation on Sunday

Two of the 10 leaked reports purported to have come from the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) and recently obtained by The Nation reveal how live bullets were "likely used" on both a bystander and a red shirt, with investigators concluding both cases were likely the work of soldiers acting on orders.

In the case of Dusit Zoo keeper Mana Ajran, who was shot dead on the night of April 10 just outside the zoo, the leaked investigation document concluded that it was "likely" the work of one of the soldiers who "panicked", according to witnesses, after a dark-coloured pickup truck passed them and did a U-turn and was construed as an imminent threat.

Mana, who had just finished his work looking after the turtle pond inside the zoo, happened to be leaving the zoo's gate facing Parliament at around 11-11.30pm that night when the truck passed by. The soldiers panicked and shouted "here they come". Soldiers rushed into the zoo, then many shots were fired for several minutes only to later discover that Mana lay in a pool of blood with a high-velocity bullet piercing the back of his head.

Witness No 1, an employee at the zoo whose name is being withheld by The Nation, stated that he ran and cried out for help after he learnt that Mana was shot, only to be shouted back by a group of soldiers. "Do you want to die? Get back."

The report added that the area was occupied only by soldiers at the time and the bullet wound fits the statements by witnesses, while other witnesses who are soldiers admitted to carrying M16 rifles and other weapons. Thus the death of Mana is "believed to likely have been caused by a soldier claiming to be acting on duty".

In another case, which took place on May 13, a male red-shirt taxi driver by the name of Chartchai Salao was shot dead at around 10.50pm while using his video camera to take footage of a soldiers' barricade.

The barricade was on Rama IV Road about 100 metres away from the U Chu Liang Building. The report stated that since there were moving pictures of Chartchai being recorded when the incident took place and the bullet, according to the investigation, came from the direction of Rama IV Road. Witnesses, who are soldiers, confirmed that the area was under Army control, hence the death is "believed" to have been caused by a soldier acting on duty.

Chartchai was shot in the head. The traces of blood on the crime scene also suggested that the bullet came from Rama IV Road.

"Witnesses who are soldiers stated that troops were well-fortified at the barricade [on Rama IV Road] area and armed and that there was nobody

-- The Nation 2010-12-26

[mkawish]

Allegations

Allegations and

More allegations....

Leaks

Leaks and

More leaks....

May the real Mr. Leak pls stands up and submits some real signed, sealed and delivered authentic report, pls.

[phaethon]

If these documents can be proved to have come from a Red Shirt sympathiser can we please call them ThakiLeaks..?

[zaphodbeeblebrox]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

Edited December 26, 2010 by zaphodbeeblebrox

[SomTumTiger]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

Edited December 26, 2010 by SomTumTiger

[ctrunfree]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

What a load of rubbish- any Australian Government on who's watch this type of extra-judicial murder took place would be forced to resign, after which there would be REAL investigations, Royal Commissions and prosecutions with lengthy jail terms for the soldiers involved...and how effective is an operation where innocent civilians like the photographer and the zookeeper get it in the neck?

And now around Chiang Mai there is increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads...but no investigation of these deaths either.

The Burmese government must wonder how Thailand gets away with it without any international sanction..

Edited December 26, 2010 by ctrunfree

[SomTumTiger]

How did Amsterdam get an account on ThaiVisa? Lol

[whybother]

What a load of rubbish- any Australian Government on who's watch this type of extra-judicial murder took place would be forced to resign, after which there would be REAL investigations, Royal Commissions and prosecutions with lengthy jail terms for the soldiers involved...and how effective is an operation where innocent civilians like the photographer and the zookeeper get it in the neck?

And now around Chiang Mai there is increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads...but no investigation of these deaths either.

The Burmese government must wonder how Thailand gets away with it without any international sanction..

"increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads"

What you mean to say is that there is "increasing rumour", because there is no evidence of him being hunted down.

Edited December 26, 2010 by whybother

[mca]

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Do you have a link for that? Cheers.

[SomTumTiger]

It was from ANU ' podcast called "Thailand in Crisis" - part 2. You can google it easily. I am on my mobile so can't link easily.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Do you have a link for that? Cheers.

[Emptyset]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

That's not exactly what Prof. Des Ball said, but he did say they'd acted "responsibly" as a whole IIRC. How did the zoo keeper put himself in harms way? Of course the army didn't act responsibly all the time, or not make mistakes, and some of them might have even acted maliciously (it only takes one guy to shoot several people, after all). Let's stop defending them before we know all the facts.

[SomTumTiger]

[Emptyset]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

What a load of rubbish- any Australian Government on who's watch this type of extra-judicial murder took place would be forced to resign, after which there would be REAL investigations, Royal Commissions and prosecutions with lengthy jail terms for the soldiers involved...and how effective is an operation where innocent civilians like the photographer and the zookeeper get it in the neck?

And now around Chiang Mai there is increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads...but no investigation of these deaths either.

The Burmese government must wonder how Thailand gets away with it without any international sanction..

Agree with the first point. That's why I'm wondering why some here doubt the soldiers killed people? I mean even if they weren't acting "maliciously", they can get scared and nervous too, y'know. These aren't the best trained troops in the world, and even if they were... well, have you seen some of the stuff US troops did in Iraq?

I don't see how using this type of hyperbole & believing rumours for which there's as yet no evidence helps the red cause at all. Like I said before, there's enough REAL evidence, don't see why anyone has to make anything up... perfectly good arguments for both sides. I know some reds have been killed in suspicious circumstances after the crackdown, possibly by state forces, but there's no evidence of a government order to carry out such acts or anything. Too early to draw that conclusion.

[SomTumTiger]

I would say driving a pickup truck at soldiers would put yourself in harms way

[asiawatcher]

Sad Mana was in the wrong place at the wrong time - collateral damage - but you can also understand why the soldiers were jumpy! All because the Red Shirts protested and were the first in the fracas to fire and thus dragged the military intervention into play. Stupid buffaloes, really stupid.

[mca]

It was from ANU ' podcast called "Thailand in Crisis" - part 2. You can google it easily. I am on my mobile so can't link easily.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Do you have a link for that? Cheers.

Thanks

[Siripon]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

What a load of rubbish- any Australian Government on who's watch this type of extra-judicial murder took place would be forced to resign, after which there would be REAL investigations, Royal Commissions and prosecutions with lengthy jail terms for the soldiers involved...and how effective is an operation where innocent civilians like the photographer and the zookeeper get it in the neck?

And now around Chiang Mai there is increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads...but no investigation of these deaths either.

The Burmese government must wonder how Thailand gets away with it without any international sanction..

The American war journalist who'd spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan also said the Thai army had acted with considerable discipline.

I doubt any Australian government would tolerate central Sydney being seized by armed protesters demanding the government call elections in 15 days.

Thaksin wanted some martyrs, he thought, as on Oct 14 1973, October 6 1976 and Black May in 1992, it would lead to intolerable public pressure forcing the government to resign.But that hasn't happened because a considerable number of the Thai public saw through Thaksin's game even though some foreign academics still can't.

[chuang]

[What you mean to say is that there is "increasing rumour", because there is no evidence of him being hunted down.

It's not 'increasing rumour'...it's a fact many red shirts are being murdered...

[whybother]

[What you mean to say is that there is "increasing rumour", because there is no evidence of him being hunted down.

It's not 'increasing rumour'...it's a fact many red shirts are being murdered...

There are no facts relating to "red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads".

"Many red shirts are being murdered"?? How many red shirts have been murdered? The DJ. Anyone else?

[monkfish]

This is another leak from yesterday

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/12/25/national/Leaked-DSI-report-reveals-shooting-of-teenager-30145154.html

Leaked DSI report reveals shooting of teenager

Of the 10 cases in the leaked Department of Special Investigation (DSI) report on the military crackdown on red shirts was the little-known death of the 14-year-old orphan, Kunakorn Srisawan - probably a bystander who was mowed down by a soldier's bullets on May 15.

he "leaked" report concluded that "there exists reasonable evidence" to suggest Kunakorn was killed when soldiers were shooting at a van during a stand-off near the Rajprarob Rail Road's Airport Link area in the early hours of May 15. Kunakorn had apparently run away from the International Muslim Foundation Orphanage. Witness Number 4, whose name is being withheld, said: "The van was hit on its wheels and [the witness] saw three soldiers shooting at the vehicle continuously.

After the shooting ended, a soldier used the butt of his gun to smash the left window and drag the person onto the military's truck, which took the injured to Phya Thai 1 Hospital," the witness said, adding that Kunakorn was one of the injured put on the military truck. "The soldiers gave no warnings for the car to stop before opening fire."

However, another witness said the soldiers issued verbal warnings before they opened fire. According to the autopsy report, Kunakorn died in hospital of gunshot wounds from a high-velocity bullet to his abdomen.

Witness Number 5 said he had seen the boy milling around the soldiers' bunker and had tried to talk him into leaving the area but failed.

[whybother]

This is another leak from yesterday

http://www.nationmul...r-30145154.html

Leaked DSI report reveals shooting of teenager

<snip>

All of those details were available and discussed in the days after this happened.

[asiawatcher]

This is another leak from yesterday

http://www.nationmul...r-30145154.html

Leaked DSI report reveals shooting of teenager

Of the 10 cases in the leaked Department of Special Investigation (DSI) report on the military crackdown on red shirts was the little-known death of the 14-year-old orphan, Kunakorn Srisawan - probably a bystander who was mowed down by a soldier's bullets on May 15.

he "leaked" report concluded that "there exists reasonable evidence" to suggest Kunakorn was killed when soldiers were shooting at a van during a stand-off near the Rajprarob Rail Road's Airport Link area in the early hours of May 15. Kunakorn had apparently run away from the International Muslim Foundation Orphanage. Witness Number 4, whose name is being withheld, said: "The van was hit on its wheels and [the witness] saw three soldiers shooting at the vehicle continuously.

After the shooting ended, a soldier used the butt of his gun to smash the left window and drag the person onto the military's truck, which took the injured to Phya Thai 1 Hospital," the witness said, adding that Kunakorn was one of the injured put on the military truck. "The soldiers gave no warnings for the car to stop before opening fire."

However, another witness said the soldiers issued verbal warnings before they opened fire. According to the autopsy report, Kunakorn died in hospital of gunshot wounds from a high-velocity bullet to his abdomen.

Witness Number 5 said he had seen the boy milling around the soldiers' bunker and had tried to talk him into leaving the area but failed.

I wonder if we will ever hear the whole truth on these stories. Any loss of life is unacceptable but to continually hear of finger pointing is just sickening This all comes back to what triggered it. The Reds have to take responsibility for it as without the protest, no munitions would have been fired. Continuance to ignore the directives from authorities and the eventual standoff had to end. And it did in the only way it could. But what of the collateral damage - this kid, Moslem maybe and perhaps a hate killing, but a young boy nonetheless and as an orphan, a wasted life. Also so unnecessary. And what pisses me off is the continual denial by the Red leaders. This may be Thailand and a third world country but everyone from every status in life, rich poor, et al, knows right from wrong.

[oldsailor35]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

What a load of rubbish- any Australian Government on who's watch this type of extra-judicial murder took place would be forced to resign, after which there would be REAL investigations, Royal Commissions and prosecutions with lengthy jail terms for the soldiers involved...and how effective is an operation where innocent civilians like the photographer and the zookeeper get it in the neck?

And now around Chiang Mai there is increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads...but no investigation of these deaths either.

The Burmese government must wonder how Thailand gets away with it without any international sanction..

The American war journalist who'd spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan also said the Thai army had acted with considerable discipline.

I doubt any Australian government would tolerate central Sydney being seized by armed protesters demanding the government call elections in 15 days.

Thaksin wanted some martyrs, he thought, as on Oct 14 1973, October 6 1976 and Black May in 1992, it would lead to intolerable public pressure forcing the government to resign.But that hasn't happened because a considerable number of the Thai public saw through Thaksin's game even though some foreign academics still can't.

And i am dammned sure that they would not tolerate a political 'rabble' bailing up Kingford Smith Airport. If any tried what was done at Suvanabhumi they would probably be in jail for life.

[random]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

Are you suggesting that the zookeepers should have just let the animals die? I would hardly call that 'him purring himself in harms way'.

It is about time that you guys realize that many unarmed people were killed by soldiers, and those unarmed people were constituting no immediate threat.

[mkawish]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

What a load of rubbish- any Australian Government on who's watch this type of extra-judicial murder took place would be forced to resign, after which there would be REAL investigations, Royal Commissions and prosecutions with lengthy jail terms for the soldiers involved...and how effective is an operation where innocent civilians like the photographer and the zookeeper get it in the neck?

And now around Chiang Mai there is increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down and killed by government assassination squads...but no investigation of these deaths either.

The Burmese government must wonder how Thailand gets away with it without any international sanction..

Increasing evidence?

Increasing evidence of red shirts being hunted down....?

I wonder when I am sober which is not very often, if you are more spirited than I often am !

Are you or are you not sir, to have come up with such unequivocal thought challenging accusation....?

Well, any way, not to dampen your enthus for or against the red shirt attempt to do whatever their leaders order them to do,

I wish you a very happy New Year, alright? Cheers

[fasteddie]

Judging from recent court filings, it appears it might be Jatupornleaks.

I am saddened by the deaths, but people who put themselves in harms way, in an active conflict area, will always be at risk.

The military strategist at the big Austalian SE Studies institute mentioned that the general impression globally military experts, was that Thai army urban suppression as an operation, was carried out very well, and would be used as an example for their own training programs.

Not defending any actions that prove themselves to be malicious but the operation itself was as effective as it could have been.

Are you suggesting that the zookeepers should have just let the animals die? I would hardly call that 'him purring himself in harms way'.

It is about time that you guys realize that many unarmed people were killed by soldiers, and those unarmed people were constituting no immediate threat.

At last a ''voice of reason'', makes me sick to see people on here supporting murder by the army!

[SomTumTiger]

Murder is a strong word - the army gave warning for days, via sign, tv, radio etc that people needed to leave - the people who stayed were not uninformed of the risks.

Of course the army killed people - did they want to? No. Accidental death was probable unaviidable as the black shirts were using reds as human shields (care to dispute?) If it can be proven that there were orders to kill innocents, or negligence by commanders, then prove it accordingly. But of course, the army didn't start the killing, they didnt start the grenade tossing, and burning, and rpg firing, and storming of buildings - you people who defend those actions make humanity sick

[mccw]

[What you mean to say is that there is "increasing rumour", because there is no evidence of him being hunted down.

It's not 'increasing rumour'...it's a fact many red shirts are being murdered...

It's not proven who is killing them.

It is a fact though that the grenade attacks across the city seem to of ended thankfully; coincidently? I think not.

[whybother]

Are you suggesting that the zookeepers should have just let the animals die? I would hardly call that 'him purring himself in harms way'.

It is about time that you guys realize that many unarmed people were killed by soldiers, and those unarmed people were constituting no immediate threat.

At last a ''voice of reason'', makes me sick to see people on here supporting murder by the army!

If there were not any armed protesters, then there wouldn't be any need for armed soldiers.

[Buchholz]

If these documents can be proved to have come from a Red Shirt sympathiser can we please call them ThakiLeaks..?

We can, but everyone should be aware it's been copyrighted for almost 2 weeks now.

Soooooo..... he will base his talk on leaked documents??

First WikiLeaks, now Thakileaks.

btw... another neologism worthy of copyright

Thakileaks©