Lite Beer Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Copyright violations to be discussed Monday. BANGKOK, March 27 - Thai Deputy Commerce Minister Alongkorn Ponlaboot will confer with representatives of local theatres, copyright holders and concerned parties on Monday on ways to suppress piracy in the country. The US private sector which is involved in copyright matters have proposed that the Priority Watch List (PWL) status should be maintained on Thailand as it finds that no progress has been made on copyright violations and on ways to amend laws concerning piracy. The Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers Association of America, however, proposed a harsher punishment as it demands that Thailand should be placed on the Priority Foreign Country (PFC) list. According to Pajchima Thanasasnti, director-general of Department of Intellectual Property, a survey conducted recently by the Motion Picture Association of America, claimed that a total of 37 foreign movies experienced copyright violation in Thailand in 2010, up from 25 movies in 2009. These violations occured while movies were screened in theatres. A law has been drafted by the Thai Commerce Ministry to punish violators of copyright infringement and is now awaiting approval by the Cabinet, Mrs Pajchima said. The draft law is being considered by Council of State Office. Another problem is that individuals claiming to be representatives of foreign-made products went around threatening traders of violating intellectual property products and demanded money from them, Mrs Pajchima said. She said her department planned to issue a new order aimed at controlling this malpractice, in which local authorised representatives of copyrighted foreign-made products would be issued a special card that could lead to facilitating arrests in future. Last year, more than 4.3 million pieces of counterfeited products were seized in Thailand, up 12.22 per cent from the previous year. (MCOT online news). -- TNA 2011-03-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) I am confused. I thought the government here didn't respect farangs. Edited March 27, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 they were going round chiang mai recently the copyright police.causing a few problems to bar owners about they music being played.but it seems they have moved on again to another town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 It's a never ending serial show, enforcement occasionally on, but mostly off. Hub of crackdowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestone Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 local authorised representatives of copyrighted foreign-made products would be issued a special card that could lead to facilitating arrests in future. Which will work until the cards start being copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 This is the fallout of US and other large countries trying to bully Thailand and other smaller nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDrinker Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 The real nub of the issue is what brings in more money? Piracy or genuine goods? It's lip service and that is all. They've always has perennial crackdowns on piracy here but nothing ever really changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) This is the fallout of US and other large countries trying to bully Thailand and other smaller nations. Oh please. Copyright violations are stealing. The creators have a moral, ethical, and legal case. Do Americans get free Thai rice? No, I don't think Thailand really cares about this, but they care enough to make a show about it once in a while, hoping to get off the bad boys list. Good luck with that. Edited March 27, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) This is the fallout of US and other large countries trying to bully Thailand and other smaller nations. Oh please. Copyright violations are stealing. The creators have a moral, ethical, and legal case. Do Americans get free Thai rice? Copyright infringement isn't stealing. Not even your own legal system claims it is. Rice is a tangible commodity. A product of finite amount. If I have a Star Trek machine and copies a bag of Thai rice you bought you still have your bag to feed your family. If sew a bag that looks the same as a famous brand then I bought the fabric, I did the work, and they still have their bags. Where is the theft? Edited March 27, 2011 by TAWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Are you serious? The theft is the design and branding. Those companies spend a fortune on design and marketing. Don't get me wrong. I live here and don't think it is that big of a deal (moral slippage perhaps), but I don't blame the companies for trying to protect their businesses either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Are you serious? The theft is the design and branding. Those companies spend a fortune on design and marketing. Don't get me wrong. I live here and don't think it is that big of a deal (moral slippage perhaps), but I don't blame the companies for trying to protect their businesses either. Design and branding only has this extreme [imaginary] value because they have managed to get protectionist laws in place that limits people from manufacturing their own items that look or resemble other peoples work etc. Btw, that is Trademark infringement you are talking about. I think it is morally reprehensible to get laws to limit others freedom to create what they so wish. Because that is what in the end of the day it is all about. A government imposed protection against what you can create or do. Even if your version was far superior to the one being sold. If food was something newly invented then the rights to make a dish would fall under the same infringement laws. Which is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) How about movies, especially ones playing in theaters currently? Let's see you rationalize that one as not being theft of i.p. Look I reckon most all of us here in Thailand are not clean on this issue, but that doesn't mean we have to invent absurd rationalizations about it either. Edited March 27, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 How about movies, especially ones playing in theaters currently? Let's see you rationalize that one as not being theft of i.p. Look I reckon most all of us here in Thailand are not clean on this issue, but that doesn't mean we have to invent absurd rationalizations about it either. If you really want to read - but I doubt it since this topic has been up here before and you are just posting inane rehashes of the same confused arguments - some about this topic there are several good books and essays on the subject. If I buy a blank CD and burn a copy of a friends CD then it is my copy and I have the sole ownership rights to it as I possess the tangible, physical object. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 This is the fallout of US and other large countries trying to bully Thailand and other smaller nations. The U.S. will probably push for a UN resolution to establish a No Fly Zone plus "whatever means necessary" over Bangkok until Thai downloaders cease their genocide against innocent Hollywood producers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I am confused. I thought the government here didn't respect farangs. There was a long article BKK post last week by the head police guy who runs the outfit resposible for clamping down on couterfeit products and intelectual theft, basically he said they were reluctant to really get involved as the only people who would benifit was the giant US companies, in other words the BIB cannot make money upholding international law so why should they bother LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 How about movies, especially ones playing in theaters currently? Let's see you rationalize that one as not being theft of i.p. Look I reckon most all of us here in Thailand are not clean on this issue, but that doesn't mean we have to invent absurd rationalizations about it either. If you really want to read - but I doubt it since this topic has been up here before and you are just posting inane rehashes of the same confused arguments - some about this topic there are several good books and essays on the subject. If I buy a blank CD and burn a copy of a friends CD then it is my copy and I have the sole ownership rights to it as I possess the tangible, physical object. and if you rob a bank do es the money belong to you because you possess the tangible, phsical evidence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 RIAA demands 75 Trillion dollars from Limewire: http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/03/24/record-industry-limewire-could-owe-75-trillion-judge-absurd/ By comparison the GDP for the Whole World was 74 Trillion Dollar in 2010. Let us see someone defend this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) How about movies, especially ones playing in theaters currently? Let's see you rationalize that one as not being theft of i.p. Look I reckon most all of us here in Thailand are not clean on this issue, but that doesn't mean we have to invent absurd rationalizations about it either. If you really want to read - but I doubt it since this topic has been up here before and you are just posting inane rehashes of the same confused arguments - some about this topic there are several good books and essays on the subject. If I buy a blank CD and burn a copy of a friends CD then it is my copy and I have the sole ownership rights to it as I possess the tangible, physical object. and if you rob a bank do es the money belong to you because you possess the tangible, phsical evidence ? No, the money is clearly stolen from the owners. Difference if you would create your own gold-doubloons, you would clearly own them. I hope you understand the difference between 'create/manufacture' and 'steal from an existing owner'. Edited March 27, 2011 by TAWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Another example, total radical libertarianism equals ANARCHY. Thais are happy to regulate their OWN property, foreigners, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbeam1 Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Oh no does this mean the end of Bangkok originals? jb1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Another example, total radical libertarianism equals ANARCHY. Thais are happy to regulate their OWN property, foreigners, not so much. Thank you for proving that you are not read up on the subject. If you believe that strong ownership laws equals anarchy, well, that explains your socialist-authoritarian leanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) Another example, total radical libertarianism equals ANARCHY. Thais are happy to regulate their OWN property, foreigners, not so much. Thank you for proving that you are not read up on the subject. If you believe that strong ownership laws equals anarchy, well, that explains your socialist-authoritarian leanings. You're hilariously dogmatic. Defending the rights of the owners of private property owners especially CORPORATE property is actually a very right wing CONSERVATIVE priority. Personally I have mixed views about this, because like I said, moral slippage. If nobody paid for IP though, that would kill the motivation to create. So I see both sides. Edited March 27, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Another example, total radical libertarianism equals ANARCHY. Thais are happy to regulate their OWN property, foreigners, not so much. Thank you for proving that you are not read up on the subject. If you believe that strong ownership laws equals anarchy, well, that explains your socialist-authoritarian leanings. You're hilarious. Defending the rights of the owners of property is actually a very right wing CONSERVATIVE priority. And you think that strong ownership laws equal anarchy. Maybe you should read your and then my post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) No I think no protection of any IP equals anarchy. I feel people who think no protection of any IP is great are actually expressing an extreme left wing position. Libertarianism I also feel mixes right wing and left wing ideas, so it attracts extremists with tendencies from both sides. Libertarianism is a funny idea because it has never been implemented by any government, and never will. Edited March 27, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wintermute Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 This is the fallout of US and other large countries trying to bully Thailand and other smaller nations. You realize that the laws are draconian if you are caught using karaoke machines with pirated Thai music. The cops are very aggressive in finding these people because the domestic music industry moguls have a lot of influence in this. The cops will look the other way when it comes to foreign pirated goods. It's just a double standard and is in no way bullying when other countries (such as the EU collective) have to adhere to high standards as well. The law in Thailand only seems to apply when powerful people are affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 No I think no protection of any IP equals anarchy. I feel people who think no protection of any IP is great are actually expressing an extreme left wing position. Libertarianism I also feel mixes right wing and left wing ideas, so it attracts extremists with tendencies from both sides. Libertarianism is a funny idea because it has never been implemented by any government, and never will. Freedom is by no means left-wing. It is anti-authoritarian. If you need help classifying political views, try this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) I don't need to. I lived through the sixties. People who think everyone's property is also their property to "freely" take are as far left wing as you can get. BTW, we can stop this exchange now. It's clear to anyone, I think you're point of view is totally nutty, and you think I am ignorant and uninformed because I don't accept at face value sophisticated rationalizations asserting that stealing property isn't really stealing property. I think we can safely leave it at that. Edited March 27, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalkingMan Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I remember one of my friends in Lam Cha Bang (poor spelling) and watching a new movie, which was currently at the theaters, on television. But I must confess that I bought a fake Panerai watch from one of the hustlers on Beach Road once. It still works! Maybe I am a criminal. TheWalkingMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I don't need to. I lived through the sixties. People who think everyone's property is also their property to "freely" take are as far left wing as you can get. BTW, we can stop this exchange now. It's clear to anyone, I think you're point of view is totally nutty, and you think I am ignorant and uninformed because I don't accept at face value sophisticated rationalizations asserting that stealing property isn't really stealing property. I think we can safely leave it at that. The only nutter here is clearly you since you have to make up lies to try to score points when you fail to make them the normal way. And you also fail to understand the difference in even the current legal systems about theft and copyright infringement and trademark infringements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Maybe I am a criminal. Maybe all of us are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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