Pheu Thai: No Objections To Yingluck Nomination

[ChiangMaiFun]

PTP won't get in - all the others will collude and sell their souls and seats to ensure it - and the badwill and troubles will continue unfortunately

So, there'll be no collusion and selling of souls to the PTP?

The troubles will continue either way. If PTP get in, the yellows will come out in force as soon as the PTP start trying to change laws to whitewash Thaksin's crimes. If the Democrats get in, the reds will complain that the others colluded and sold their souls to form government with the Democrats.

I suppose that all the Thaksin and red shirt supporters could vote for PTP. If they vote for someone else who then joins with the Democrats, they can't complain, can they?

Let's hope we get some resolution.. but it's doubtful alas... I just want the party in power to have a REAL mandate - but there's too many parties!

[SteeleJoe]

yes I believe it would be ten times better than most Thai Universities

Fair enough. Thanks for answering that much.

(I'm no fan of Thai education in general. I just don't assume that because it's American it's necessarily better overall though there may indeed be -- I suspect there is -- some aspects that will inherently be better in any virtually any accredited US institution).

By all means, move on. But when you introduce something in the topic that is related to the OP (tangentially or not) you can't complain when peole reply to that. if you continue to go on about it - while accusing people of racism and such -- then you can't complain if people explain and defend their replies to your post. And frankly, it doesn't look so good if when you run out of a tenable argument you urge others to move on...anyway, I've had more than enough.

[jdinasia]

I seem to remember reading on this forum last year that PTP was not all about Thaksin? Looks like quite a few were wrong on that one....Pretty sad when a convicted criminal gets to run one of the country's largest political parties.

Add to that, Somchai's stops at the redshirt gatherings and PTP's inclusion of redshirt leaders facing terrorism charges and the equation still is PTP=UDD=Thaksin

[ChiangMaiFun]

I'm afraid you are wrong - I was the poster who tried to bring some balance to the 'we hate Yingluck' brigade but mentioning that she had two Masters degrees and I thought that was in her favour.

I made NO mention how good these degrees were - I just said it was impressive (to have two Masters degrees) and I still would say the same. It was others who introduced the 'these degrees are crap' arguments to discredit her achievements (ungenerously and unfairly in my view).

[SteeleJoe]

I'm afraid you are wrong - I was the poster who tried to bring some balance to the 'we hate Yingluck' brigade but mentioning that she had two Masters degrees and I thought that was in her favour.

I made NO mention how good these degrees were - I just said it was impressive (to have two Masters degrees) and I still would say the same. It was others who introduced the 'these degrees are crap' arguments to discredit her achievements (ungenerously and unfairly in my view).

No, I don't believe I am wrong in this instance. Let's see..

I was the poster who tried to bring some balance to the 'we hate Yingluck' brigade but mentioning that she had two Masters degrees and I thought that was in her favour.

Yes, you introduced the topic of her degreees. So I said when you introduce something in the topic that is related to the OP (tangentially or not) you can't complain when people reply to that. And I pointed out that if you continue to go on about it - while accusing people of racism and such -- then you can't complain if people explain and defend their replies to your post.

I made NO mention how good these degrees were - I just said it was impressive (to have two Masters degrees) and I still would say the same. It was others who introduced the 'these degrees are crap' arguments to discredit her achievements

So because you didn't explicily mention the quality -- even though you point to the gaining of them as impressive -- any one else who does is guilty of going off topic or is being irrelevant or what? Even though the quality is 100% relevant as to how impressive it is to attain them -- a point that YOU brought into the discussion?

That notion doesn't work without applying some blatant double standards and ignoring basic logic.

Edited April 14, 2011 by SteeleJoe

[rubl]

Let's hope we get some resolution.. but it's doubtful alas... I just want the party in power to have a REAL mandate - but there's too many parties!

Many political parties competing in an election is a sign of a healthy democracy, I would say. A situation with one party having a large majority and the party leader / PM saying 'we will continue to rule for twenty years' is NOT a healthy democracy. IMHO

[Buchholz]

Master's Degree Kentucky State University

MBA Kentucky State University

You impress easily...

Kentucky State University

Ranked #32 amongst historically black colleges and universities

But thanks for clarifying it was not Kentucky University [sic]

(it's actually the University of Kentucky) which is ranked very much higher.

you mention of 'black university' is slightly disturbing as if this makes it LESS valid as a university!

Read the links in Post # 22 and inform yourself regarding the terminology and the main evaluator of American universities.

[Buchholz]

its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising

The fact that she went to a 'historically black university' isn't the issue.

The issue is that she went to a university that was rated fairly low in a particular grouping. Where would it stand if it was rated against all US universities?

Indeed. It's no different than mentioning that KSU was also ranked #49th amongst southern universities.

The only thing being addressed was chiangmaifun's being impressed by a low-ranked school.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Master's Degree Kentucky State University

MBA Kentucky State University

You impress easily...

Kentucky State University

Ranked #32 amongst historically black colleges and universities

But thanks for clarifying it was not Kentucky University [sic]

(it's actually the University of Kentucky) which is ranked very much higher.

you mention of 'black university' is slightly disturbing as if this makes it LESS valid as a university!

Read the links in Post # 22 and inform yourself regarding the terminology and the main evaluator of American universities.

it doesn't matter - it's irrelevant... move on

[Buchholz]

is it as bad as you say? and why are people wanting to decry her degrees? motivated by Goodwill? or Politics? go figure

It all originated from one person wanting to tell us he was so impressed by her degrees, which was probably motivated by politics or goodwill. Go figure.

That necessitated putting her degrees in their proper context which was also captured very well by Samran's earlier post.

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Edited April 14, 2011 by Buchholz

[animatic]

Master's Degree Kentucky State University

MBA Kentucky State University

You impress easily...

Kentucky State University

Ranked #32 amongst historically black colleges and universities

But thanks for clarifying it was not Kentucky University [sic]

(it's actually the University of Kentucky) which is ranked very much higher.

Yes, quite so.

its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising

Nothing of the kind.

The levels of the schools to each other have no relation what so ever to whether she went to either or not.

So stop implying what isn't said.

[Buchholz]

KSU ranked 39th among Southern Colleges and Universities

That's 49th.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/kentucky-state-university-157058/overall-rankings

[jdinasia]

its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising

The fact that she went to a 'historically black university' isn't the issue.

The issue is that she went to a university that was rated fairly low in a particular grouping. Where would it stand if it was rated against all US universities?

Indeed. It's no different than mentioning that KSU was also ranked #49th amongst southern universities.

The only thing being addressed was chiangmaifun's being impressed by a low-ranked school.

I would be FAR more impressed by a graduate degree from Sasin for a Business degree. (Sasin is right here in Thailand, very high ranking, associated with TOP ranked US schools etc!) To be impressed merely because it is a US school only shows a lack of understanding about US unis and being impressed because someone can afford to travel (is elite) for their education.

[Buchholz]

<snip>

she is not responsible for the 'sins' of her brother.

<snip>

If she becomes PM she will be.

She's also involved if she's personally benefited from his shenanigans.

Or are we expected that she's worth Billions of Baht in her own right based upon her own efforts?

[animatic]

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Edited April 14, 2011 by animatic

[ChiangMaiFun]

its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising

The fact that she went to a 'historically black university' isn't the issue.

The issue is that she went to a university that was rated fairly low in a particular grouping. Where would it stand if it was rated against all US universities?

Indeed. It's no different than mentioning that KSU was also ranked #49th amongst southern universities.

The only thing being addressed was chiangmaifun's being impressed by a low-ranked school.

I would be FAR more impressed by a graduate degree from Sasin for a Business degree. (Sasin is right here in Thailand, very high ranking, associated with TOP ranked US schools etc!) To be impressed merely because it is a US school only shows a lack of understanding about US unis and being impressed because someone can afford to travel (is elite) for their education.

I was impressed she had TWO Masters degrees - but all you yellows are just trying to downgrade her achievement

Edited April 14, 2011 by ChiangMaiFun

[rubl]

I was impressed she had TWO Masters degrees - but all you yellows are just trying to downgrade her achievement

Most of my collegues here in Thailand have at least a B.A. including secretaries. I'm not impressed. Management seems to be selected on family name and / or connections rather than pure skills. Of course after a while in management positions it doesn't really matter much

(edit: add: M.A's? Doesn't matter, in the OP: "He said the party's motto would be "Thaksin Thinks and Pheu Thai Does It" - which means if elected, the party would implement the policies suggested by the deposed former premier.")

Edited April 14, 2011 by rubl

[ChiangMaiFun]

I was impressed she had TWO Masters degrees - but all you yellows are just trying to downgrade her achievement

Most of my collegues here in Thailand have at least a B.A. including secretaries. I'm not impressed. Management seems to be selected on family name and / or connections rather than pure skills. Of course after a while in management positions it doesn't really matter much

I'm not impressed either! we agree!!! in fact they are next to worthless... which is why I WAS impressed Yingluck gained TWO Masters in the US - but now all the yellow apologists have their collective knickers in a twist - sanuk!

[ChiangMaiFun]

I think we have run the course of 'I'm impressed' and you lot are 'unimpressed' it's a beautiful day outside and this is my last comment on the lovely Yingluck's education - bye for now

[jdinasia]

SJ --- I think it may have been important to some people to sidetrack the obvious PTP=Thaksin=UDD equation since they have been saying for a long time that "this has moved beyond Thaksin."

Was yingluck one of those that had assets seized in the assets forfeiture trial? (Benefitting from Thaksin's claim that he wasn't running AIS/Shin whilst PM.)

[animatic]

4icu World University Ranking #17 University of Oxford

This I can be impressed by.

This comment ""

doesn't impress a bit.

Edited April 14, 2011 by animatic

[craigt3365]

Several back and forth bickering posts have been removed. Please keep it civil folks, or I'll use my MBA from that online school I got on ya! :jap:

[ChiangMaiFun]

4icu World University Ranking #17 University of Oxford

This I can be impressed by.

This comment ""

doesn't impress a bit.

easily impressed

[Jingthing]

If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really.

[rubl]

It seems that just like in politics a single fact can be interpreted in many ways, the ranking of Universities is similar:

http://www.webometrics.info/top12000.asp

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings

All seem to agree on at least one thing: Cambridge scores better than Oxford

[jayboy]

It seems that just like in politics a single fact can be interpreted in many ways, the ranking of Universities is similar:

http://www.webometrics.info/top12000.asp

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings

All seem to agree on at least one thing: Cambridge scores better than Oxford

Well it's a superior sort of place (coughs modestly)

But seriously you should check out the methodology used in these surveys.The one used by Animatic (4icu world University Ranking) is a complete joke, based on web hits!!

I believe the FT survey is pretty reliable.

[ChiangMaiFun]

If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really.

bit like Bush junior?

[Jingthing]

If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really.

bit like Bush junior?

Much much worse!

Bush Sr. wasn't up on charges and trying to corrupt the system to have his charges dropped so he could return to power. Bush Sr. was NOT running W's policies. Get real, please.

[jdinasia]

If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really.

bit like Bush junior?

Not at all like "W" since "W"'s dad didn't say "Tag, you're it", W not only had to make it through the party primaries, he also then had to get through the RNC in New Orleans. Yes, his name helped, but it wasn't nepotism or cronyism that got him the nomination. It was a party decision and not that of one banned politician on the run from the law

edit for typo

Edited April 14, 2011 by jdinasia

[ChiangMaiFun]

If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really.

bit like Bush junior?

Much much worse!

Bush Sr. wasn't up on charges and trying to corrupt the system to have his charges dropped so he could return to power. Bush Sr. was NOT running W's policies. Get real, please.

oh right so if his name was tree and not Bush he'd have been in? get real (er)

joking aside - you don't have to make the point - we all know why she's been nominated - it happens throughout Thai society - kids get promotions, get jobs because of their family not just this lady.