Militants May Join Thailand Insurgency

[craigt3365]

Zaz: it would be great if everybody thought like you. Unfortunately, religion breeds radicals. No matter what the religion. Look at the skin heads here in the US. They carry the bible and say how they want to kick all the non-white people out of our country. Or the abortion thing. We have a guy on trial here who is extremely religious and has been killing abortion docs. How screwed up is that? Just a fanatic.

Same thing with Islam. People are using it as an excuse. And unfortunately, history is filled with all the bad things that have been done in the name of religion.

Sorry to say, I think religion has got to change. It has to adopt to our modern society. People no longer are looking for explainations of light in the sky or crazy weather patterns. We know what causes them now. They need guidance, pure and simple.

IMHO, the big problem in Iraq is the Sunni's lost power and want it back. They are just using all the dumb, young arabs to do their dirty work. And many times, they pay them very, very well to do this. Crazy. I sure hope that does not happen in Thailand. Look how messed up the Philippines are....

[richard10365]

I think Seonai may be right. Perhaps the answer to the problem in the Thai south is a proper education on Islam.

Perhaps if Thailand was to fund a proper Thai education for Muslims in the south, Southern Thai Muslims would see this as a sign of peace. At the same time, Thai politicians attend a course on Islamic culture. It may not be the final solution but it might be a step in the right direction.

Now all we have to do is get this information to the prime minister.

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I think my idea is good. Quit quoting the past and scripture and try to work on the future.

[seonai]

Hi SMB and Zaz, hey guys, because I was brought up in a Christian sort of environment, the translation "GOD" for Allah has always been a problem for me

When I got married, I asked the Immam about 'GOD' because it is a problem for me. And he said "god" is everything, trees, plants, stars.....

[alaina]

This topic is growing faster than I can read it so I apologize if I repeat any information.

There is a large muslim community in BKK, some of it in Suan Luang and Pravet. I work for muslims and it seems like some people in Thailand have no idea what is going on in that community here.

When I was hired, I was so sad to hear the muslim administrators apologizing for 9-11, and telling me that that is not acceptable Muslim thing to do. I never would have brought up such a thing! Muslims are so used to being descriminated against that they thought they had to, in a place they run that employs 40% Westerners, no less.

The school is run on charity money and charges low tuition to all students. The muslims really want a place that does not have everybody chant Buddhist prayers in the morning, and muslim prayers are not held over the PA system so that the Buddhist students can continue their studies. Even in most international schools, the prayers and religious ceremonies make every other activity grind to a halt. While I think that Buddhism is not trying to be opressive, sometimes Thai Buddhists forget that not everybody here is a Buddhist.

We as foreigners mostly accept that Thailand is very nationalistic, as we came here. It's language, flag and Buddhism are all considered to be part of living in Thailand. Some poeple in the South may not feel connected to all those things yet their kids go to school and learn in Bangkok Thai and in many public schools sit through Buddhist prayers.

I'm not justfying the acts of the extremists in any way. But there needs to be more than one POV and a willingness to look at the situation honestly in order to understand what is going on.

[smb]

Hi SMB and Zaz, hey guys, because I was brought up in a Christian sort of environment, the translation "GOD" for Allah has always been a problem for me

When I got married, I asked the Immam about 'GOD' because it is a problem for me. And he said "god" is everything, trees, plants, stars.....

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sorry i didnt get what u mean

u want to know what is the meaning of allah?

[taxexile]

and after last nights carnage in bali , is there still anybody who would like to "talk" with them , "maybe find a compromise" with them , "see what they want".

from the uk daily telegraph.

The lessons of yesterday's bombings are clear: namely, that the war on terror remains emphatically global, and that the terrorists are determined to destroy life, economic success and optimism wherever they encounter it.

Since September 11, 2001, and especially since the Iraq War, there has been a facile tendency to see the war on terror through the prism of domestic politics, as if the removal of President Bush and Tony Blair would bring an end to the campaign of Islamist groups such as al-Qaeda and its South-East Asian arm, Jemaah Islamiyah. We have heard much in recent weeks about the need to withdraw from Iraq, not least to appease the Islamists. Yesterday's attacks show that the terrorists are unappeasable. They seek not concessions, but the annihilation of everything that they consider incompatible with their grotesque perversion of Islamic doctrine.

The terrorists have shown repeatedly that they are thinking globally and acting locally. So must we.

[Boon Mee]

It's just a matter of time until the south is hit with a rash of bombings like what just happened in Bali yesterday unless vigilance is not kept up...

Edited October 2, 2005 by Boon Mee

[zaz]

and after last nights carnage in bali , is there still anybody who would like to "talk" with them , "maybe find a compromise" with them , "see what they want".

from the uk daily telegraph.

The lessons of yesterday's bombings are clear: namely, that the war on terror remains emphatically global, and that the terrorists are determined to destroy life, economic success and optimism wherever they encounter it.

Since September 11, 2001, and especially since the Iraq War, there has been a facile tendency to see the war on terror through the prism of domestic politics, as if the removal of President Bush and Tony Blair would bring an end to the campaign of Islamist groups such as al-Qaeda and its South-East Asian arm, Jemaah Islamiyah. We have heard much in recent weeks about the need to withdraw from Iraq, not least to appease the Islamists. Yesterday's attacks show that the terrorists are unappeasable. They seek not concessions, but the annihilation of everything that they consider incompatible with their grotesque perversion of Islamic doctrine.

The terrorists have shown repeatedly that they are thinking globally and acting locally. So must we.

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To be honest, articles like that are just written to instill hatred within the hearts of the non-Muslim community as much as the terrorist recruiters brainwash the chaps who give up their lives thinking they are going to be martyrs.

Both sides have sad extremes.

[Boon Mee]

To be honest, articles like that are just written to instill hatred within the hearts of the non-Muslim community as much as the terrorist recruiters brainwash the chaps who give up their lives thinking they are going to be martyrs.

Both sides have sad extremes.

'Sad extremes' to want peace?

[taxexile]

To be honest, articles like that are just written to instill hatred within the hearts of the non-Muslim community as much as the terrorist recruiters brainwash the chaps who give up their lives thinking they are going to be martyrs.

Both sides have sad extremes.

zaz , i see no hatred in that article , just a statement of undeniable facts.

zaz , the greater worldwide muslim community (including its religious leaders and spokesmen) have had many many years now to clean up their house.

to weed out those who have hijacked your religion and those who preach and carry out violence. those people are in the minority. righteius people like yourself are in the majority. where is the problem.

how come an inoffensive article like the one i posted causes you to comment that it will instill hatred in the non-moslem community.

do you want to know what causes hatred in the non moslem community?

inaction by the muslim majority ,which is seen as going along with it to see where it goes , and the condemnation as anti muslim hatred of anybody who criticizes the muslim religion or its adherents.

if muslims cannot clean their own house then outside cleaners have to be brought in , forcibly if necessary , to do the job , for however long it takes.

because the dirt and filth and violence and hatred spread by those who do the muslim religion great injustice is now polluting the rest of the world and WE DONT FCKING WANT IT ANYMORE.

[Boon Mee]

And Thailand on full terror alert...man, it doesn't seem to be getting any better by taking the appeasment route, does it?

[Fast Eddie]

zaz , i see no hatred in that article , just a statement of undeniable facts.

zaz , the greater worldwide muslim community (including its religious leaders and spokesmen) have had many many years now to clean up their house.

to weed out those who have hijacked your religion and those who preach and carry out violence. those people are in the minority. righteius people like yourself are in the majority. where is the problem.

how come an inoffensive article like the one i posted causes you to comment that it will instill hatred in the non-moslem community.

do you want to know what causes hatred in the non moslem community?

inaction by the muslim majority ,which is seen as going along with it to see where it goes , and the condemnation as anti muslim hatred of anybody who criticizes the muslim religion or its adherents.

if muslims cannot clean their own house then outside cleaners have to be brought in , forcibly if necessary , to do the job , for however long it takes.

because the dirt and filth and violence and hatred spread by those who do the muslim religion great injustice is now polluting the rest of the world and WE DONT FCKING WANT IT ANYMORE.

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Spot on Taxexile

[zaz]

zaz , i see no hatred in that article , just a statement of undeniable facts.

zaz , the greater worldwide muslim community (including its religious leaders and spokesmen) have had many many years now to clean up their house.

to weed out those who have hijacked your religion and those who preach and carry out violence. those people are in the minority. righteius people like yourself are in the majority. where is the problem.

how come an inoffensive article like the one i posted causes you to comment that it will instill hatred in the non-moslem community.

do you want to know what causes hatred in the non moslem community?

inaction by the muslim majority ,which is seen as going along with it to see where it goes , and the condemnation as anti muslim hatred of anybody who criticizes the muslim religion or its adherents.

if muslims cannot clean their own house then outside cleaners have to be brought in , forcibly if necessary , to do the job , for however long it takes.

because the dirt and filth and violence and hatred spread by those who do the muslim religion great injustice is now polluting the rest of the world and WE DONT FCKING WANT IT ANYMORE.

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Spot on Taxexile

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Understood. If the Muslims cannot clean up their own house then how will anyone else do it? Will they separate the good Muslims from the bad ones? How will they distinguish and recognise them? It's the indiscriminate "cleaning" that I fear e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan etc and that's not going to resolve anything. I'm all for cleaning up but the jist of it all that's coming through some of the posts is a "kill 'em all" policy, they just have to be Muslim to qualify for a bullet in their heads and that's no better than a terrorists way of thinking.

Edited October 3, 2005 by zaz

[taxexile]

Will they separate the good Muslims from the bad ones?

there are more than enough good muslims around to do that part of the job.

just need a bit of motivation.

Edited October 3, 2005 by taxexile

[The_Moog]

How many people are murdered in Thailand each year?

I daresay that Buddhists account for about 95% of Thai murders nationally.

Why focus exclusively on 3 provinces in this gun-happy nation?

[chownah]

And Thailand on full terror alert...man, it doesn't seem to be getting any better by taking the appeasment route, does it?

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There are no government that are actively pursueing the appeasemenat route....I'm not advocating appeasement...just noting that it is not being tried.

[ray23]

And Thailand on full terror alert...man, it doesn't seem to be getting any better by taking the appeasment route, does it?

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There are no government that are actively pursueing the appeasemenat route....I'm not advocating appeasement...just noting that it is not being tried.

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This really is a volatile (spelling?) discussion, I think one the things that we already know is we are not talking about reasonable people when we speak of these terriost. Therefore they are not talking and looking for peaceful means and world leaders are not going to give up thier countries to make these people happy.

Unfortunately I do believe that true Muslim believers could stop this. I also doubt that they will. The next alternative will be people trying to reslove it with force, with whatever intelligence they can gain. They will make mistakes I think we have already seen that intelligence reports can be very wrong.

Innocents are already dying all over the world, on both sides of the fence. Unless something gives soon it is going to get a lot worse.

As frustrated as we get with this imagine what the world leaders feel like that really do have to make the decesion's.

Edited October 4, 2005 by ray23

[Boon Mee]

Since the 2002 attacks, Jemaah Islamiyah has been tied to at least two other bombings in Indonesia, both in Jakarta. Those blasts, one outside the Australian Embassy in 2004 and the other at the J.W. Marriott hotel in 2003, killed at least 23.

The group's alleged spiritual leader, Abu Bakar Bashir, who has been jailed for conspiracy in the 2002 attacks, through a spokesman denied any personal connection to the weekend explosions. There was no statement from the group, which wants to establish an Islamic state across Southeast Asia.

Bashir is known for strong anti-Western and anti-Semitic views but has always maintained his innocence. Fauzan Al Anshari, his spokesman, said the cleric had no involvement in Saturday's explosions.

"No Muslim would carry out those bombings," he said

“No Muslim would carry out those bombings," he said.

Aw, danm. Who does that leave? Christians? Jooooooos? Hindus? Taoists? Rastaferians? Wiccans?

My money is on the Buddhists. Orange robes and bald heads, you know they are on the edge...