DSI Wants Red-Shirt Leaders Back In Jail For Violating Bail Conditions

[webfact]

DSI wants red-shirt leaders back in jail for violating bail conditions

By THE NATION

The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) will meet public prosecutors to discuss a plan to indict 18 red-shirt leaders for insulting the monarchy and inciting violence.

DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday agency officials would meet with prosecutors tomorrow and on Monday to summon the 18 red shirts for a hearing on formal charges they face.

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest, insult the monarchy and violate the Penal Code.

Tarit said he would go to the Criminal Court on Monday to seek an order for withdrawal of temporary release for nine red shirts charged with terrorism in connection with last year's political unrest and riots. He said the nine had violated conditions set by the court for granting them bail, including refraining from inciting unrest.

The nine red shirts are Jatuporn Promphan, who is an opposition Pheu Thai MP, Nattawut Saikua, Veera Musigapong, Weng Tojirakarn, Kokaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, Yoswarit Chooklom, Nisit Sinthuprai and Vipoothalaeng Pattanaphumthai.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai officials criticised the Army yesterday for its supposed "smear campaign" against the party.

Party deputy spokesman Jirayu Huangsap said Army spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd had smeared Pheu Thai when he accused an unnamed political party of being behind the red shirts in their moves to insult the monarchy.

"Political parties are loyal to the monarchy. The Army should not mix the job of running the country with loyalty to the monarchy. That is improper. Pheu Thai has many [retired] senior bureaucrats and armed forces commanders. They agree that some of their junior colleagues in the Army are overacting and claiming they are the only group with loyalty to the monarchy," Jirayu said.

In a related development, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban called on fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday to show sincerity and stop being hypocritical about being loyal to the monarchy.

Suthep, who is secretary-general of the Democrat Party, said it was clear that Thaksin was behind moves by Pheu Thai MPs and red-shirt leaders to insult the monarchy, which led to a police complaint filed by Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha.

"My request is for Thaksin to stop doing improper things and stop being hypocritical. He had his people do improper things while calling for others [to stop taking advantage of the monarchy]. This is a real hypocrite," Suthep said.

Thaksin, in a Twitter message on Thursday, urged all sides to stop exploiting the monarchy for their own benefit by levelling lese majeste charges at each other.

-- The Nation 2011-04-16

[Thaddeus]

Thaksin, in a Twitter message on Thursday, urged all sides to stop exploiting the monarchy for their own benefit by levelling lese majeste charges at each other.

Hello Pot.

[yoshiwara]

Thaksin, in a Twitter message on Thursday, urged all sides to stop exploiting the monarchy for their own benefit by levelling lese majeste charges at each other.

Hello Pot.

By making an accusation against both sides he aims to achieve one important, very important objective. What might that be? He wants to appear presidential. A dishonest clown down to his boots.

[jdinasia]

It would be nice to see people accused of terrorism in jail and the cases to move forward. Arisaman is only about 12 months late turning himself in after all

[jayboy]

Thaksin, in a Twitter message on Thursday, urged all sides to stop exploiting the monarchy for their own benefit by levelling lese majeste charges at each other.

Hello Pot.

By making an accusation against both sides he aims to achieve one important, very important objective. What might that be? He wants to appear presidential. A dishonest clown down to his boots.

In the other paper today that most intelligent and perceptive commentator, Vorani Vanijaka, covers this issue.Your criticism of Thaksin while reasonable is I think a bit wide of the mark.His statement was in fact (pause for the usual suspects to choke on their own vomit)... admirable and should be taken seriously by all sides.Of course he has ulterior motives - which politician doesn't but if he wants to appear presidential (ie unbiased and above the fray) that is surely a good thing.The more telling criticism is that Thaksin was as bad as any other scummy politician in throwing LM charges around left, right and centre when he was in power.

Vorani's main point is that abuse of LM by politicians is the ultimate form of disrespect, and should be punished accordingly.At the moment there are no consequences for abuse of the law.

[whybother]

In the other paper today that most intelligent and perceptive commentator, Vorani Vanijaka, covers this issue.Your criticism of Thaksin while reasonable is I think a bit wide of the mark.His statement was in fact (pause for the usual suspects to choke on their own vomit)... admirable and should be taken seriously by all sides.Of course he has ulterior motives - which politician doesn't but if he wants to appear presidential (ie unbiased and above the fray) that is surely a good thing.The more telling criticism is that Thaksin was as bad as any other scummy politician in throwing LM charges around left, right and centre when he was in power.

Vorani's main point is that abuse of LM by politicians is the ultimate form of disrespect, and should be punished accordingly.At the moment there are no consequences for abuse of the law.

While it would be good if politicians, and non-politicians, stopped abusing (and even using) the LM laws, a statement like that coming from Thaksin is a bit hard to take at face value.

[jayboy]

In the other paper today that most intelligent and perceptive commentator, Vorani Vanijaka, covers this issue.Your criticism of Thaksin while reasonable is I think a bit wide of the mark.His statement was in fact (pause for the usual suspects to choke on their own vomit)... admirable and should be taken seriously by all sides.Of course he has ulterior motives - which politician doesn't but if he wants to appear presidential (ie unbiased and above the fray) that is surely a good thing.The more telling criticism is that Thaksin was as bad as any other scummy politician in throwing LM charges around left, right and centre when he was in power.

Vorani's main point is that abuse of LM by politicians is the ultimate form of disrespect, and should be punished accordingly.At the moment there are no consequences for abuse of the law.

While it would be good if politicians, and non-politicians, stopped abusing (and even using) the LM laws, a statement like that coming from Thaksin is a bit hard to take at face value.

True but the statement itself is admirable and to the point.Of course one has to be cynical given its source but in this instance Thaksin is completely correct, not as Vorani points out that he is likely to agree with him on much else.

But for the fairminded (and I include you in this category) just think how much better if someone other politician had made this point, say Abhisit.But he didn't and once again Thaksin capitalises on the weakness of other politicians to achieve the moral high ground

[whybother]

True but the statement itself is admirable and to the point.Of course one has to be cynical given its source but in this instance Thaksin is completely correct, not as Vorani points out that he is likely to agree with him on much else.

But for the fairminded (and I include you in this category) just think how much better if someone other politician had made this point, say Abhisit.But he didn't and once again Thaksin capitalises on the weakness of other politicians to achieve the moral high ground

No. The statement is not admirable when coming from Thaksin. It should be seen for what it is.

If it came from Abhisit, would you be saying the same thing? Even though Abhisit isn't the one putting forward charges of LM against anyone, you would still be the first one saying how two faced it was.

I agree with the statement. I don't agree with the way LM laws are used. But, coming from Thaksin, it's a two faced political statement.

[slapout]

To use the term " moral high ground" to describe any utterance by Thaksin, or most of the other politicians of Thailand would probably need a review of the definition of the term.

[Buchholz]

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest

This is what will land the Red Shirt Leaders back in jail more directly.

If the Court reviews the bail revocation tomorrow and agrees, the terrorist suspects could be back in prison by sunset tomorrow.

[animatic]

Thaksins tweet might be moral high ground, if it were anything but base and deplorable hypocrisy.

[phiphidon]

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest

This is what will land the Red Shirt Leaders back in jail more directly.

If the Court reviews the bail revocation tomorrow and agrees, the terrorist suspects could be back in prison by sunset tomorrow.

Does anybody, apart from Tharit, know what the alleged offences are? Presumably we'll find out when he pushes charges on Monday? How many times is it now has he tried to get bail revoked? A man on a mission.

[jayboy]

True but the statement itself is admirable and to the point.Of course one has to be cynical given its source but in this instance Thaksin is completely correct, not as Vorani points out that he is likely to agree with him on much else.

But for the fairminded (and I include you in this category) just think how much better if someone other politician had made this point, say Abhisit.But he didn't and once again Thaksin capitalises on the weakness of other politicians to achieve the moral high ground

No. The statement is not admirable when coming from Thaksin. It should be seen for what it is.

If it came from Abhisit, would you be saying the same thing? Even though Abhisit isn't the one putting forward charges of LM against anyone, you would still be the first one saying how two faced it was.

I agree with the statement. I don't agree with the way LM laws are used. But, coming from Thaksin, it's a two faced political statement.

But the point is it didn't come from Abhisit (I wish it had, and from what you say you clearly have no idea of what my reaction would have been), it came from Thaksin.Of course his motivation is highly suspect, but the content of the statement is admirable.Suggest anyone interested should read Vorani's article.

[whybother]

Does anybody, apart from Tharit, know what the alleged offences are? Presumably we'll find out when he pushes charges on Monday? How many times is it now has he tried to get bail revoked? A man on a mission.

No. That is one of the problems with the LM laws. The details of the offense can't be reported, otherwise the reporter would also be charged with LM.

You just have to take their word for it.

[phiphidon]

Does anybody, apart from Tharit, know what the alleged offences are? Presumably we'll find out when he pushes charges on Monday? How many times is it now has he tried to get bail revoked? A man on a mission.

No. That is one of the problems with the LM laws. The details of the offense can't be reported, otherwise the reporter would also be charged with LM.

You just have to take their word for it.

Thank you, my point exactly.

[Buchholz]

Does anybody, apart from Tharit, know what the alleged offences are? Presumably we'll find out when he pushes charges on Monday? How many times is it now has he tried to get bail revoked? A man on a mission.

No. That is one of the problems with the LM laws. The details of the offense can't be reported, otherwise the reporter would also be charged with LM.

You just have to take their word for it.

Actually the quote that was replied to above was in relation to the Red Shirt Leaders inciting violence in their speeches, not the LM charges.

What specifically provoking speech they said hasn't been reported in the English press, but it doesn't fall under the restrictions of LM.

As said, it was their bail-breaking promise not to be involved in violence-inducing speeches and activities that will land them back in jail far quicker than any LM charges.

[Buchholz]

Does anybody, apart from Tharit, know what the alleged offences are? Presumably we'll find out when he pushes charges on Monday? How many times is it now has he tried to get bail revoked? A man on a mission.

No. That is one of the problems with the LM laws. The details of the offense can't be reported, otherwise the reporter would also be charged with LM.

You just have to take their word for it.

Thank you, my point exactly.

Then your point in reply to my post above is different than what I was referring to. I was not referring to the LM charges, but the condition of the bail not to be involved in provoking unrest.

[rubl]

But the point is it didn't come from Abhisit (I wish it had, and from what you say you clearly have no idea of what my reaction would have been), it came from Thaksin.Of course his motivation is highly suspect, but the content of the statement is admirable.Suggest anyone interested should read Vorani's article.

Being somewhat cynical I must admit to have the impression that k. Thaksin many times calls for 'let US do not', 'WE should not', etc. especially when one of his got himself into a problem. Now to me that makes any call of k. Thaksin for what WE should or should not do highly suspect.

[Oberkommando]

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai officials criticised the Army yesterday for its supposed "smear campaign" against the party.

It failed last time, and the CNS weren't held accountable because they gave themselves immunity under the new constitution.

And they have the audacity to do it again.

Thailand really needs to put that dog on a leash.

[Buchholz]

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai officials criticised the Army yesterday for its supposed "smear campaign" against the party.

Party deputy spokesman Jirayu Huangsap said Army spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd had smeared Pheu Thai when he accused an unnamed political party of being behind the red shirts in their moves to insult the monarchy.

Indeed, everyone knows that the Pheu Thai Party has absolutely no connection to the Red Shirts whatsoever.

That Jatuporn and a half dozen other Pheu Thai Party MP's are in leadership positions with the Red Shirts is purely coincidental.

That both groups answer to Thaksin is also a mere coincidence.

To make anything more of these pure coincidences is, indeed, a "smear campaign."

.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Buchholz

[Oberkommando]

The "smear campaign" last time round was in fact a classified order from the Junta (CNS) which was leaked to the public, ordering the suppression of PPP campaign activities and candidates to be framed with LM charges.

Would not be surprised if they are doing it again, as alleged, with their long history of lies, deceit and unaccountability.

[yoshiwara]

Thaksin, in a Twitter message on Thursday, urged all sides to stop exploiting the monarchy for their own benefit by levelling lese majeste charges at each other.

Hello Pot.

By making an accusation against both sides he aims to achieve one important, very important objective. What might that be? He wants to appear presidential. A dishonest clown down to his boots.

In the other paper today that most intelligent and perceptive commentator, Vorani Vanijaka, covers this issue.Your criticism of Thaksin while reasonable is I think a bit wide of the mark.His statement was in fact (pause for the usual suspects to choke on their own vomit)... admirable and should be taken seriously by all sides.Of course he has ulterior motives - which politician doesn't but if he wants to appear presidential (ie unbiased and above the fray) that is surely a good thing.The more telling criticism is that Thaksin was as bad as any other scummy politician in throwing LM charges around left, right and centre when he was in power.

Vorani's main point is that abuse of LM by politicians is the ultimate form of disrespect, and should be punished accordingly.At the moment there are no consequences for abuse of the law.

My little humour clearly failed. When I said Thaksin wanted to appear presidential, I didn't intend as in presidential style. The man has no style....though seeing him as 'admirable', to 'be taken seriously' in his little foray does seem to have impressed at least one red apologist. No, what Thaksin is doing is sending a message to his troops by pushing up against the boundaries for the red supporters at the same time as seemingly rising above the fray. Presidents are presidential. The subtext is there. Dog whistle politics. Nothing to do with being diplomatic. Some forum red supporters really are naive.

Edited April 17, 2011 by yoshiwara

[Buchholz]

We should all be aware that the "smear campaign" mentioned in the article is in reference to the context of the sentence following it.

Party deputy spokesman Jirayu Huangsap said Army spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd had smeared Pheu Thai when he accused an unnamed political party of being behind the red shirts in their moves to insult the monarchy.

That a number of Red Shirts have over the past several years been doing just that and that the Red Shirts are inextricably connected to the Pheu Thai Party on a multitude of levels can not be overlooked.

.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Buchholz

[jdinasia]

The "smear campaign" last time round was in fact a classified order from the Junta (CNS) which was leaked to the public, ordering the suppression of PPP campaign activities and candidates to be framed with LM charges.

Would not be surprised if they are doing it again, as alleged, with their long history of lies, deceit and unaccountability.

when you refer to long history of lies deceit and unaccountability, can we assume the people you are actually referring to are the Thaksin cronies, and of course Thaksin himself? BTW you left out violence and intimidation on the list of the red's skills

[Oberkommando]

when you refer to long history of lies deceit and unaccountability, can we assume the people you are actually referring to are the Thaksin cronies, and of course Thaksin himself? BTW you left out violence and intimidation on the list of the red's skills

No, I was refering to the military, who have been at it since Thaksin was in nappies.

Funny you should mention violence and intimidation, the Thai military wrote the book on those tactics.

[yoshiwara]

when you refer to long history of lies deceit and unaccountability, can we assume the people you are actually referring to are the Thaksin cronies, and of course Thaksin himself? BTW you left out violence and intimidation on the list of the red's skills

No, I was refering to the military, who have been at it since Thaksin was in nappies.

Funny you should mention violence and intimidation, the Thai military wrote the book on those tactics.

A little dodge that one. The key is that Thaksin is not interested in reforming the military. Heaven forbid. What he wants is his people in charge of the army. That has always been the clue to his antics in exile. The army was the last and central piece of the jigsaw in his unremitting concentration on capturing the key institutions of state power. He tried and failed in 2006 and 2010 but still doggedly pursues his objective. When you read a Thaksin apologist having a go at the army you can be guaranteed that the hurt they and Thaksin feel, is the hurt of failing to close the deal in capturing the army leadership appointments. No deal.

Edited April 17, 2011 by yoshiwara

[jayboy]

My little humour clearly failed. When I said Thaksin wanted to appear presidential, I didn't intend as in presidential style. The man has no style....though seeing him as 'admirable', to 'be taken seriously' in his little foray does seem to have impressed at least one red apologist. No, what Thaksin is doing is sending a message to his troops by pushing up against the boundaries for the red supporters at the same time as seemingly rising above the fray. Presidents are presidential. The subtext is there. Dog whistle politics. Nothing to do with being diplomatic. Some forum red supporters really are naive.

Your obsessive hatred of Thaksin has, not for the first time, caused you to lose focus and the last part of your post is simply unintelligible even taking into account English seems not to be your first language.I don't recall anybody stating Thaksin personally was admirable.It was his statement under reference that was admirable for reasons that Khun Vorani discussed in his article in the other paper, freely accepting the dubious motivation and hypocrisy involved.I commented that it was a great pity Abhisit had not made such a statement since there is good reason to believe he shares Thaksin's views on this subject (even though he is not innocent of playing political games with LM).

[rubl]

Your obsessive hatred of Thaksin has, not for the first time, caused you to lose focus and the last part of your post is simply unintelligible even taking into account English seems not to be your first language.I don't recall anybody stating Thaksin personally was admirable.It was his statement under reference that was admirable for reasons that Khun Vorani discussed in his article in the other paper, freely accepting the dubious motivation and hypocrisy involved.I commented that it was a great pity Abhisit had not made such a statement since there is good reason to believe he shares Thaksin's views on this subject (even though he is not innocent of playing political games with LM).

"It was his statement under reference that was admirable". Your opinion only, mine is 'not admirable as k. Thaksin only has these type of statements when his family, party, supporters are in problems'. When an opponent says something he doesn't like he sues them even from abroad

[jdinasia]

Strange, I didn't find Yoshiwara's post unintelligible in the least. I also didn't see any reason for the ad hominem attack on his use of English. What he said was quite clear.

[Buchholz]

quote:Thaksin, in a Twitter message on Thursday, urged all sides to stop exploiting the monarchy for their own benefit by levelling lese majeste charges at each other.

unquote.

Hello Pot.

By making an accusation against both sides he aims to achieve one important, very important objective. What might that be? He wants to appear presidential. A dishonest clown down to his boots.

In the other paper today that most intelligent and perceptive commentator, Vorani Vanijaka, covers this issue.Your criticism of Thaksin while reasonable is I think a bit wide of the mark.His statement was in fact (pause for the usual suspects to choke on their own vomit)... admirable and should be taken seriously by all sides.Of course he has ulterior motives - which politician doesn't but if he wants to appear presidential (ie unbiased and above the fray) that is surely a good thing.The more telling criticism is that Thaksin was as bad as any other scummy politician in throwing LM charges around left, right and centre when he was in power.

Vorani's main point is that abuse of LM by politicians is the ultimate form of disrespect, and should be punished accordingly.At the moment there are no consequences for abuse of the law.

My little humour clearly failed. When I said Thaksin wanted to appear presidential, I didn't intend as in presidential style. The man has no style....though seeing him as 'admirable', to 'be taken seriously' in his little foray does seem to have impressed at least one red apologist. No, what Thaksin is doing is sending a message to his troops by pushing up against the boundaries for the red supporters at the same time as seemingly rising above the fray. Presidents are presidential. The subtext is there. Dog whistle politics. Nothing to do with being diplomatic. Some forum red supporters really are naive.

Didn't his son Oak get into a bit of hot water by proclaiming that Dad would be the first President?