Thaksin: I'll Return At End Of Year

[janverbeem]

The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs.

I thought salaries should be given on performance, not something else?

If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

No offense, but I know a lot of Thai's that have finished university and earn good salaries.

Of course, they didn't graduate with a 2.3 GPA average and with a complete lack of knowledge in the subject they were majoring in...

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

You suggestions show the usual lack of understanding of how the world works that is expected from someone that have no problem in seeing people dying so your moral agenda can prevail.

Excuse me while I go outside and puke a bit...

Let me join you with going to puke outside...........................about you stupid reply that is.

[letitbe]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

But you do agree they could be legitimately disbanded under prevailing laws do you not? The outfall from that could be just as you suggest but that doesn't make the case any less weak.

But they should take legal action now and not wait till after the election.

Why play into devils hand if he wins invoke law to disband if he does not no need too absolutely best play

Edited May 10, 2011 by metisdead
Repaired the reply.

[janverbeem]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

But you do agree they could be legitimately disbanded under prevailing laws do you not? The outfall from that could be just as you suggest but that doesn't make the case any less weak.

But they should take legal action now and not wait till after the election.

Why play into devils hand if he wins invoke law to disband if he does not no need too absolutely best play

That sounds more like,we only apply the law when it suits us.

[letitbe]

That sounds more like,we only apply the law when it suits us.

i really don't like to say it but please grow up and live in real world. You cant fight devil using nice polite rules. It suited and suits Taksin to use law only when it applies to him. Please dont ask those who see him for what he is to tie our hands. This is not some game of chess or social game where no one gets hurt. If he gets back millions could and probably will suffer just as those in Zimbabwie under Mugabwie in Iraq under Hussain and countless other places. I have luxury of getting out at some financial cost but most thais have no chance and will just suffer under this evil want to be dictator. Anything that results in his plans not being realised is IMHO good. You probably can also just get out. Dont underestimate the powers of evil. Please research what happened to Zimbamwie North Korea Iraz Cambodia under Pol Pot and all others and all by likes of this evil man.

[bristolgeoff]

coming back to a prison term if his party does not win the election.i don,t think he can risk it.he is a fugitive from justice.if he served his time he be out now and free.i don,t think the people of thailand want him back for what he done

[lekiaaa]

It seems from the recent polls that more Thais than not would like him to come back. If he does he'll have the Democrat's incompetence to thank. They were handed the reigns and then rode in circles for 2 1/2 years.

Thaksin is one of the most corrupt politicians Thailand has seen in years. If you accept evil, then you will overcome by evil.

[lekiaaa]

coming back to a prison term if his party does not win the election.i don,t think he can risk it.he is a fugitive from justice.if he served his time he be out now and free.i don,t think the people of thailand want him back for what he done

Wow, if that is a true picture of you, you are beautiful! Sorry I know that is off topic but....Wow!!

[TAWP]

coming back to a prison term if his party does not win the election.i don,t think he can risk it.he is a fugitive from justice.if he served his time he be out now and free.i don,t think the people of thailand want him back for what he done

Wow, if that is a true picture of you, you are beautiful! Sorry I know that is off topic but....Wow!!

*sigh* It is not, you can return to typing with two hands now.

[yellow1red1]

Spring of 2010 , Thais in sandles and Tshirts commandeered a fully equipped and armed, with 200 soldiers, train somewhere in Northern Thailand.

The Military had to promise it was not going to BKK, before the people would let it go.

What would stop Thaksin from entering Northern Thailand with same kind of human shield?

They wouldn't be able to get close to him, or arrest.

if so, put him in same cell with Sondhi, PLEASE

[timekeeper]

Quite the influx of brand newly minted Thaksin Cheerleaders.

He must really think Thaivisa has an influence over someone out there, or why bother to go to such an effort.

agreed, its amazing how so many woke up in the last week or so and suddenly found the drive to want to comment on politics and become cheerleaders for Thaksin on TV

its as if they found some common calling, like a vision from heaven, or maybe Dubai...............

[Thaddeus]

No offense, but I know a lot of Thai's that have finished university and earn good salaries.

Of course, they didn't graduate with a 2.3 GPA average and with a complete lack of knowledge in the subject they were majoring in...

Did they at least know what the A in GPA stood for?

[anterian]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

This seems to be the common feeling of most Thais I talk to in my area. Thaksin was self seeking but effective, Abhisit is simply ineffective. Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him, he ran Thailand as a business. Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army.

[rubl]

Spring of 2010 , Thais in sandles and Tshirts commandeered a fully equipped and armed, with 200 soldiers, train somewhere in Northern Thailand.

The Military had to promise it was not going to BKK, before the people would let it go.

What would stop Thaksin from entering Northern Thailand with same kind of human shield?

They wouldn't be able to get close to him, or arrest.

if so, put him in same cell with Sondhi, PLEASE

Can't do, k. Sondhi and k. Jatuporn are already matched. Difficult to match k. Thaksin, unique in his class, may end up solitary

[pomeloseed]

Drugs aren't all bad in all situations. Sometimes they're just recreational, and people laugh or dance or have interesting conversations while high. Thaksin himself uses the #1 most harmful drug in the world: alcoholic drinks - as do most Thai legislators. Indeed, if you want something done (or a contract approved) by a Thai official, it's almost mandatory to give that person a bottle or a case of Johnny Walker. Every village in Thailand has 40 proof (80%) alcohol moonshine for sale, and many bottles of that varnish remover get sold every day. Is T going to come back and get his hired goons to kill dealers and users of Thailand's #1 most harmful drug? That would be interesting. In that case, I'll invest in a coffin company.

Hhhhmm, the most corrupt promising to clean up the corrupt. Doesn't sound like a solid plan to me...........If the head leader scoffs the law, he's only going to accomplish the task of teaching everyone that no one needs to respect Thai laws.

Thaksin was a big influence for many younger people while he was in office. He inspired them to lie, cheat, avoid paying taxes and worship money above all else. Great news to hear he plans to return to continue his destructive and money-grubbing ways. If Thais vote him back, then they deserve the mega problems he will bring.

[anterian]

Many have voiced suspicions over the sudden appearance of a number of politically outspoken newbie Thais. Why should they be suspicious, we are now in the run up to an election in Thailand will will effect the lives of all, Thais and farangs. I further noticed that those most suspicious are the vehemently anti Thaksin Farang brigade, could it be that they are upset to discover that there are intelligent, educated Thais who do not agree with their opinions.

The present government, with much military help, has managed to close and shut down most of the avenues for political opinion which exist in western society, so is it any surprise that supporters of Thaksin are starting to appear here in the run up to an election? Even if Thaivisa has a limited Thai audience.

To me, all these people voicing doubts about the newcomers are simply using the old tactic of attacking the messenger rasther than the message.

[rubl]

...

could it be that they are upset to discover that there are intelligent, educated Thais who do not agree with their opinions.

...

Have I got news for you, my man. There are even foreigners who don't agree with the various opinions sprouted here whether those be red/yellow/sideways leaning. Personally I only get upset with downright lies, half-truths are a bother, complete truth not even recognized sometimes.

Anyway k. Thaksin will return by the end of the year to celebrate Christmas in an 'appropriate' environment for a convicted criminal who choose to be on the run nearly three years ago. Mind you if I were to collect his statements from those last years, a large number will contradict themselves. Six more weeks to the elections, six more weeks of the most contradicting opinions ever seen here on TV. Let the games begin

Edited May 10, 2011 by rubl

[ginjag]

Many have voiced suspicions over the sudden appearance of a number of politically outspoken newbie Thais. Why should they be suspicious, we are now in the run up to an election in Thailand will will effect the lives of all, Thais and farangs. I further noticed that those most suspicious are the vehemently anti Thaksin Farang brigade, could it be that they are upset to discover that there are intelligent, educated Thais who do not agree with their opinions.

The present government, with much military help, has managed to close and shut down most of the avenues for political opinion which exist in western society, so is it any surprise that supporters of Thaksin are starting to appear here in the run up to an election? Even if Thaivisa has a limited Thai audience.

To me, all these people voicing doubts about the newcomers are simply using the old tactic of attacking the messenger rasther than the message.

When you wash your white clothes, not to forget to keep them separate, or they will have a pink tint .

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, doesn't always follow that NEWBIES will not have the experience here, but in general if 80% of posters (from a host of different nationalities ) show by their posts this said Man is not a good idea to return and run the country ==then I would tend to go with the flow. His OVERALL record was SELF-SELF and not for the people or country. All you have to do is look at the amount of money that should have gone to the treasury, but finished in personal bank accounts. UP to YOU --I am giving a 30 year vision of Thailand not a year or two.

[animatic]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

This seems to be the common feeling of most Thais I talk to in my area. Thaksin was self seeking but effective, Abhisit is simply ineffective. Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him, he ran Thailand as a business. Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army.

On the other hand.

Thaksin benefited from a well established economic upturn in the whole of ASEAN.

Thaksinomics has been roundly and soundly discredited as totally unworkable by most all functional economists.

Abhisit financial administration was hammered by a world collapse most economists compared to the 1930's world wide depression.

Kuhn Korn has done a admirable job, even with street riots and years of violence and divisiveness to put the Thai financial house to rights under the worst of conditions. Something I have strong doubts Thaksin was even slightly capable of. He could do deals that turned him a profit, but effective administration proved a low blot on his copy book. PR and deal making were his forté, administration was just something he left to others, while making sure they told him what he wanted to hear.

[animatic]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

This seems to be the common feeling of most Thais I talk to in my area. Thaksin was self seeking but effective, Abhisit is simply ineffective. Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him, he ran Thailand as a business. Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army.

On the other hand.

Thaksin benefited from a well established economic upturn in the whole of ASEAN. Thaksinomics has been roundly and soundly discredited as totally unworkable by most all functional economists. Thaksin's financial record is only one of sweetheart deals to benefit himself, his administrations skills are negligible.

Abhisit financial administration was hammered by a world collapse most economists compared to the 1930's world wide depression. Kuhn Korn has done a admirable job, even with street riots and years of violence and divisiveness, making perceptions worse, to put the Thai financial house to rights under the worst of world conditions in our lifetimes. Something I have strong doubts Thaksin was even slightly capable of. He could do deals that turned him a profit, but effective administration proved a low blot on his copy book. PR and deal making were his forté, administration was just something he left to others, while making sure they told him what he wanted to hear.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

I saw this but failed to comment earlier.

It is not in any way proved they have not done a good job.

The conditions they inherited from PPP were horrendous to behold.

And have greatly improved in comparison to many other countries being effected by the same world conditions.

Kuhn Korn who is in charge of finance can not in any sense be considered inexperienced or not having enough money.

Being well to do doesn't mean you can manage a budget better or worse.

It just means you or your predecessor was avariciously greedy at some time in the family history.

So Thaksin didn't bother to hide the corruption, and this is a good thing??? Not at all a good thing. It just means he thought he had such control that the rules no longer applied to him. This is not what we want in a national leader. And no amount of 'those were the good times' rose coloring of memories will change that fact.

Abhisit and Thaksin had diametrically opposed world economic conditions to deal with in their times in office. We can't not judge Abhisit on an even level with Thaksin because the weight pressing on Abhisit from above was so much heavier that the scales can't balance on strictly equal terms.

To say;

jobs were worse and gas costs more, and food costs more because gas costs more, is somehow Abhisits fault, when the factors causing it are 100% external to Thailand and found WORLD WIDE,

is not looking at hard reality.

A PM :

If he tries to stop ANY corruptions this is a step forward.

Picking the lesser of two evils is still doing the right thing, if those are the only two options.

If he doesn't even bother to HIDE the corruptions, participates or directs them himself, this is a giant step backward.

Edited May 10, 2011 by animatic

[pomeloseed]

Many have voiced suspicions over the sudden appearance of a number of politically outspoken newbie Thais. Why should they be suspicious, we are now in the run up to an election in Thailand will will effect the lives of all, Thais and farangs. I further noticed that those most suspicious are the vehemently anti Thaksin Farang brigade, could it be that they are upset to discover that there are intelligent, educated Thais who do not agree with their opinions.

The present government, with much military help, has managed to close and shut down most of the avenues for political opinion which exist in western society, so is it any surprise that supporters of Thaksin are starting to appear here in the run up to an election? Even if Thaivisa has a limited Thai audience.

To me, all these people voicing doubts about the newcomers are simply using the old tactic of attacking the messenger rasther than the message.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying new members of T.Visa are less experienced and less aware of Thailand's challenges than T.Visa members with many posts? That's a flimsy premise. I'm a new member here, but I've been residing in Thailand for over an eighth of a century. As for opinions, particularly re; T and the Reds, you might note that during the Red's commandeering of downtown Bkk in Spring 2010, a bunch of new T.Visa members popped up all of a sudden - all supporting the Reds and using similar phrasing in their posts. It's not a stretch to imagine that one or a few Thaksin supporters (possibly T and/or his family members and Amsterdam) were gaining several T.Visa memberships each, and thereby voicing their monolithic opinions to appear like a consensus. Not surprisingly, all those 2 dozen or so monikers disappeared as soon as the Reds left Bangkok.

[Insight]

^ On that note, how did TallForeigner get on with his book?

[scorecard]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

This seems to be the common feeling of most Thais I talk to in my area. Thaksin was self seeking but effective, Abhisit is simply ineffective. Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him, he ran Thailand as a business. Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army.

"........self seeking but effective...." Perhaps you'd like to share some examples, and I notice that you didn't mention his corruption, destruction of the checks and balances.

"........Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him ......." So your saying that corruption is OK?

Did thaksin really run Thailand as a business? Share to quote some examples please. And hope your not meaning instructions the Thai ministries to loan billions of Baht (funds owned by all Thai people) to the thug generals in Myanmar then selling massive amount of equipment to them from his family company.

".........maybe if he (abhisit) had more money...." What does that mean? Money for what?

".........Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army ..........." Well your entitled to your opinion but I don't agree, Abhisit IMHO opinion is a very capable man, and in terms of the economy he has one of Thailands very best - Khun Korn, who has been acclaimed by world agencies for his work with the Thai economy.

The Thai military does have a long history of political 'activity', that's the Thai way. Thaksin tried hard to gain family control of the military.

[animatic]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

This seems to be the common feeling of most Thais I talk to in my area. Thaksin was self seeking but effective, Abhisit is simply ineffective. Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him, he ran Thailand as a business. Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army.

"........self seeking but effective...." Perhaps you'd like to share some examples, and I notice that you didn't mention his corruption, destruction of the checks and balances.

"........Thaksin got things done because there was money in it for him ......." So your saying that corruption is OK?

Did thaksin really run Thailand as a business? Share to quote some examples please. And hope your not meaning instructions the Thai ministries to loan billions of Baht (funds owned by all Thai people) to the thug generals in Myanmar then selling massive amount of equipment to them from his family company.

".........maybe if he (abhisit) had more money...." What does that mean? Money for what?

".........Abhisit simply has no ability or buisness acumen and further is at the mercy of the army ..........." Well your entitled to your opinion but I don't agree, Abhisit IMHO opinion is a very capable man, and in terms of the economy he has one of Thailands very best - Khun Korn, who has been acclaimed by world agencies for his work with the Thai economy.

The Thai military does have a long history of political 'activity', that's the Thai way. Thaksin tried hard to gain family control of the military.

Let's add the Abhisit has a cross-disciplinary degree from Oxford that has major components of international economics, and national financial management.

Which hands down beats Thaksins degree in Criminal Science.

In effect Abhisit is trained to manage a nation in the worst of times, and Thaksin has NO TRAINING at all in this.

You might say;

Thaksin has studied how to be a better criminal,

while Abhisit has studied how to run a nation.

Edited May 10, 2011 by animatic

[SomTumTiger]

You might say;

Thaksin has studied how to be a better criminal,

while Abhisit has studied how to run a nation.

Sounds about right. :jap:

[Geeraphun]

Hello again. I am sorry but I have tried to reply to some posts here like a quote but I get a message saying I have to be a member for 72 hours so I think I can only reply here on main post.

One thing I would like to say is that I am not sure if I am the only Thai member here or not? It seems that this is only a forum for foreigners because I see many posts say things like: "I don't believe he is Thai until I get confirmation of his ip adress", or "Why are all these newbies (which I just figured out) all of a sudden popping out of nowhere supporting the Thaksin Government,"

These comments can only reflect the thinking of "some" foreigners that seemed challenged by an educated Thai. I also do not understand these statements regarding a "newbies" opinion? Does this mean that if a person is not a long time member of this forum and has not posted thousands of posts that he/she has no opinion?

I understand that everyone has their own opinions of different situations in the world and that it takes pro's and con's to solve ANY issue however this is normally more effective when both sided respect each others opinions and use these opinions for the "good" of the matter being discussed.

I would like to also say that any Thai supporter of either party does not need to put postings in a 99% foreigner forum to gain any outcome as foreigners have no say in Thai politics so why would we as Thai's need to "pop out of nowhere" to post here? I am only interested in this Thai visa forum and find it interesting that many people here cannot believe that there are Thai's educated enough to compete in an English forum.

I tried to reply to a post # 130 where a person says that all Thai's want is money and that we are all greedy. The following is my reply to this post:

130 I am sorry that in a country of 64,000,000 that you have found only the "greedy" and think that "Most Thai's" only want money. In fact I think if you were to leave the bar and travel deep into Thailand you will see many people smiling at you and will wave you into their houses and offer you food and drink. Maybe you will think that they want only money but this is most likely because you have found a life here that gives you this opinion. In fact, "most Thai's" only want food, shelter and water and happiness. This is the way of the Buddha sir.I feel sad that you only find the people who want your money. When the war in Vietnam was on the USA used Pattaya as their R& R station which attracted woman because they give the money to them. This carried on until now and this is what most of the foreigner thinks is Thailand unfortunately. With a population of 64 million people and only so much jobs for people it is this reason that people need money sir. If you ever have been hungry or grew up in a country that was poor maybe you can understand this. Yes we have only 26% of educated people for 64m so many people do not know about how or where to get the education and cannot read newspapers and also have no TV's. If you enjoy to live in the Thailand you should go into it more deep and see for yourself sir and I think you will be welcomed by many Thai people who will want not your money but only to talk and eat with you. As a Buddha you will know that food should be shared to give life to everyone. I do not know you sir and do not judge people because the law of karma and the darma tells us that if you have food, shelter, water and love this gives you happiness. I would invite you to travel with me when I have time and show you the Thai people that maybe you have never see because language stop you from seeing the true Thailand, I do not know. I do not know what country you are from but in USA they always vote for the Bush party and you can say that they were fair? In England it was Thatcher for a long time etc etc. You must learn to understand the real Thai people and not only the people you meet in a bar and then maybe you will understand why many love Thaksin. You say he take money from my fellow Thai people but I think he is like the movie Robin Hood where he takes from the rich and give to the poor. If he does not give to the poor then who will? Mr Abhisit did not do. I do not agree that buying votes is good but if that is what makes my people happy then we are correct. I know many foreigner want Thailand to be like their country but maybe Thai do not want this. Can you please tell me why you live here sir? I would like to know?

Edited May 10, 2011 by Geeraphun

[mesohappy]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

It's good to see that 50-year-old Thais educated enough to have a perfect command of English are empassioned enough about Thai politics to conclusively put down their political thoughts on a first-ever Thavisa post along with a series of suggestions to fix Thailand's problems. Did you know that your bullet points are almost exactly Thaksin's own ideas, word for word? I can see why you would vote for him.

But, hang on, you're saying that corruption is bad, and then you're saying that Thaksin was nice and open about it. You want to get rid of corruption but want the most corrupt guy at the head of your country? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. You talk about drugs and corruption, referencing the army and government. But Thaksin oversaw this whole operation, and he didn't want to change it back then - he just wanted his share. Some might argue that he was kicked out because he wanted more than his share.

And I agree, drug dealers are the scum of the earth. They are all murderers, pimps and rapists and they all deserve to die; it's a myth that the network of drug dealing is full of victims of social circumstances. And those drug mules in particular should be subject to death by genital electrocution. But, hang on, the most recent investigation - you know, the one first shelved by Thaksin and then by the Samak administration - show that less than half of the people killed had any ties whatsoever with the drug industry. Would a collateral damage rate of 60%+ be acceptable to you in the next war on drugs?

You make a lot of interesting points in your post, much like the Quadrangled Prophet himself, but really no indication of how it's going to be executed.

Thank you for kind words on my English. I was fortunate.

I only said that every politition in world is corrupt and we all know this but with Thaksin he did not try and hide it like others have. I would prefer to know how I am being cheeted so I can dicide how to deal with it. In another countries with so called educated polititions they are fighting wars and they have no money in their budget but still interfear with other countries politics. These are governments that hide the corruption from the people. When we have Thaksin before he would tell us "Ok I am going to cheet you now and give you money for your vote" and we can make decision on this basis. He did not hide his corruption like the now government by blocking TV stations, radios and news.

With his war on drugs there is no Thai person who enjoy to see some people die if they do not deserve it but it is a war that is needed and maybe he learn from his past mistake. If you touch the fire you will not touch again. Yes when he investigate he tell the truth about many people who die were innocent. Another government would hide this fact. If you ask me about will 60%+ be acceptable in next war I can only say that I never want to see any percent of the innocent Thai people die but unfortunatly yes always have inncocent casualties in any war. If I have to die to save my childrens and my grandchildrens future to not have the drugs I cann accept that.

Another person here say that Thailand is the biggest producer of ganja in the world but he is very wrong. It grows more in Columbia and another countries I think and we never have the problem with people that have the ganja. It is a modern day drug problem with the drugs that make children crazy like a mefanfetime .... I think you know the word and the yaba and ice and these very bad drugs.

Only my opinion that all Thai want good government and not corruption but I think we cannot ever have a no corruption government because noone have anywhere. But what choice do we have for vote a new government? If have good choice maybe can change but here not ike another countries. We have few choices here and Thaksin have money and experience and maybe can change things because other country like Cambodia he know and can help this situation and he repect from another countries like Middle East that we need the business from. He is a very good business man and when he was my priminister he can have the business with many countries because they respect him. They dont care he corrupt or not. They only care he good for business or not.

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Seriously? Some members think these comments are educated?

[mesohappy]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

To give an idea of my persepctive: I have been married to a Thai for 10 years. She is from Isaan, a very poor village. I live and work in Bangkok, and receive a salary comapred to a western salary. On this salary, I am very comfortable and compared to most of the country, I would be consdiered "rich". I am not an authority on anything, but I do know a LITTLE bit about what I am talking about.

Your suggestion that raising salaries would reduce corruption is a laudable one, however I believe it is somewhat naive. Moreover, raising everyones salary (from the Isaan guy working on a building site, to the 7-11 girl, to the uni-grad) will raise the base price of living, and everything will go up with. Many international companies choose to operate in Thailand because the country has sufficient infastructure to be effective, and low enough labour costs to be economical.

I have spent plenty of time in Isaan, where the allegedly disenfranchised poor come from. The sit around, all day, doing nothing, wiating for a handout...... bums, the lot of them. They have ample oportunity to work, but choose not too, deciding instead to complain and moan about the rich people in Bangkok. Yes, there are lots of rich people in bangkok - but there are lots of rich people in London, Paris, and New York too. I have quite a good job, and make good money...... because I had a good education...... because my parents worked hard to give it to me (they are not uni-grads)...... and their parents worked hard to put them through school so they could get decent jobs...... and their parents fought in World War II and / or emigrated leaving their family and friends behind so they could better provide for their off spring. Moreover, the education and social systmes in my home country exsit because of the taxes paid by my productive fmaily, not from the wasters that windge and bitch...... so, because of the efforts of 3 or 4 generations, I have now reached a point where I could be called "sucessful" ...... no one "gave" it to me, it was earned - my sucess is te cumulative effort of my families efforts; but there are people out there that think I should now share my pie with others, who can't be bother to bake their own?

So, the so called "poor people" who will not get off their ass and work their way out of poverty need to start pulling their weight. From the fruit of hard labour there will be rewards. Our maid is a young lady from Isaan - we emplyed her because her english is quite good and she is quite intelligent, capable of following instructions...... this is because her mother (mother of 4, husband dead) has gone her entire life, doing without, and making sure her kid finsihed school..... unlike most of the families who work so they can buy another motorbike that will get crashed when the husband / son gets out of his mind on some cheap crappy loas whiskey. So, the girl is a "maid", so no big achievement there right? WRONG - she is earning money instead of complaining about having none.

I honestly believe there is quite a fair share of equity in Thailand - sure there are people with ill-gotten gains..... but it is naive to think that it doesn't go on in every country in the world - just some are better at hiding it.

I am coming from a country where guys with basic trade skills earn as much as universtiy graduates. There is no equity in that. Office workers here in Bangkok earn a lot more money that the national average. Enough to have a nice but modest home, a reliable car, an occasional holiday, etc..... in otherwords, a normal life on par with every other developed country in the World. They are not wealthy, but unless they work hard on top of their qualifications, then why whould they be.. Simply having a degree is not, and should not be a pass to wealth - yes it opens the door, but the individual has to walk through it. Everyone cannot have a Fortuner or Accord..... much less a Merc. Everyone thinks that they are entitled to the better things in life, and no one wants to think of themselves as average ..... but until you prove yourself as above average, then why should you get paid more for it? So I say, continue to reward those who have worked hard and let nature take its course. My fmaily worked hard over several generations to help me get to where I am today - it is now my duty to continue that tradition, and if my child fails in life it will be my fault for not proving for them, not raising them correctly, etc...... no one elses.

This is why I admire the much loathed Isaan bar girls, and the dodgy taxi-bike drivers, and so on..... while people are ridiculing them, do they ever stop to think that these people are doing the best they can to get on in life - and for the most part they do...... So that their kids don't have to do the same thing......

Married a bar girl, did you?

[billd766]

I will be very happy to see him back.

This government has done nothing for us. I think that corruption is the number 1 problem here from small time street vendors right up to Government officials and Army allowing drugs to come into my country. When they let them in, they get richer. The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs. If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

To give an idea of my persepctive: I have been married to a Thai for 10 years. She is from Isaan, a very poor village. I live and work in Bangkok, and receive a salary comapred to a western salary. On this salary, I am very comfortable and compared to most of the country, I would be consdiered "rich". I am not an authority on anything, but I do know a LITTLE bit about what I am talking about.

Your suggestion that raising salaries would reduce corruption is a laudable one, however I believe it is somewhat naive. Moreover, raising everyones salary (from the Isaan guy working on a building site, to the 7-11 girl, to the uni-grad) will raise the base price of living, and everything will go up with. Many international companies choose to operate in Thailand because the country has sufficient infastructure to be effective, and low enough labour costs to be economical.

I have spent plenty of time in Isaan, where the allegedly disenfranchised poor come from. The sit around, all day, doing nothing, wiating for a handout...... bums, the lot of them. They have ample oportunity to work, but choose not too, deciding instead to complain and moan about the rich people in Bangkok. Yes, there are lots of rich people in bangkok - but there are lots of rich people in London, Paris, and New York too. I have quite a good job, and make good money...... because I had a good education...... because my parents worked hard to give it to me (they are not uni-grads)...... and their parents worked hard to put them through school so they could get decent jobs...... and their parents fought in World War II and / or emigrated leaving their family and friends behind so they could better provide for their off spring. Moreover, the education and social systmes in my home country exsit because of the taxes paid by my productive fmaily, not from the wasters that windge and bitch...... so, because of the efforts of 3 or 4 generations, I have now reached a point where I could be called "sucessful" ...... no one "gave" it to me, it was earned - my sucess is te cumulative effort of my families efforts; but there are people out there that think I should now share my pie with others, who can't be bother to bake their own?

So, the so called "poor people" who will not get off their ass and work their way out of poverty need to start pulling their weight. From the fruit of hard labour there will be rewards. Our maid is a young lady from Isaan - we emplyed her because her english is quite good and she is quite intelligent, capable of following instructions...... this is because her mother (mother of 4, husband dead) has gone her entire life, doing without, and making sure her kid finsihed school..... unlike most of the families who work so they can buy another motorbike that will get crashed when the husband / son gets out of his mind on some cheap crappy loas whiskey. So, the girl is a "maid", so no big achievement there right? WRONG - she is earning money instead of complaining about having none.

I honestly believe there is quite a fair share of equity in Thailand - sure there are people with ill-gotten gains..... but it is naive to think that it doesn't go on in every country in the world - just some are better at hiding it.

I am coming from a country where guys with basic trade skills earn as much as universtiy graduates. There is no equity in that. Office workers here in Bangkok earn a lot more money that the national average. Enough to have a nice but modest home, a reliable car, an occasional holiday, etc..... in otherwords, a normal life on par with every other developed country in the World. They are not wealthy, but unless they work hard on top of their qualifications, then why whould they be.. Simply having a degree is not, and should not be a pass to wealth - yes it opens the door, but the individual has to walk through it. Everyone cannot have a Fortuner or Accord..... much less a Merc. Everyone thinks that they are entitled to the better things in life, and no one wants to think of themselves as average ..... but until you prove yourself as above average, then why should you get paid more for it? So I say, continue to reward those who have worked hard and let nature take its course. My fmaily worked hard over several generations to help me get to where I am today - it is now my duty to continue that tradition, and if my child fails in life it will be my fault for not proving for them, not raising them correctly, etc...... no one elses.

This is why I admire the much loathed Isaan bar girls, and the dodgy taxi-bike drivers, and so on..... while people are ridiculing them, do they ever stop to think that these people are doing the best they can to get on in life - and for the most part they do...... So that their kids don't have to do the same thing......

Married a bar girl, did you?

And if he did, so what?

It matters not whether a woman is a bar girl or a princess it is what they do with the life they have.

[jdinasia]

Hello again. I am sorry but I have tried to reply to some posts here like a quote but I get a message saying I have to be a member for 72 hours so I think I can only reply here on main post.

One thing I would like to say is that I am not sure if I am the only Thai member here or not? It seems that this is only a forum for foreigners because I see many posts say things like: "I don't believe he is Thai until I get confirmation of his ip adress", or "Why are all these newbies (which I just figured out) all of a sudden popping out of nowhere supporting the Thaksin Government,"

These comments can only reflect the thinking of "some" foreigners that seemed challenged by an educated Thai. I also do not understand these statements regarding a "newbies" opinion? Does this mean that if a person is not a long time member of this forum and has not posted thousands of posts that he/she has no opinion?

I understand that everyone has their own opinions of different situations in the world and that it takes pro's and con's to solve ANY issue however this is normally more effective when both sided respect each others opinions and use these opinions for the "good" of the matter being discussed.

I would like to also say that any Thai supporter of either party does not need to put postings in a 99% foreigner forum to gain any outcome as foreigners have no say in Thai politics so why would we as Thai's need to "pop out of nowhere" to post here? I am only interested in this Thai visa forum and find it interesting that many people here cannot believe that there are Thai's educated enough to compete in an English forum.

I tried to reply to a post # 130 where a person says that all Thai's want is money and that we are all greedy. The following is my reply to this post:

130 I am sorry that in a country of 64,000,000 that you have found only the "greedy" and think that "Most Thai's" only want money. In fact I think if you were to leave the bar and travel deep into Thailand you will see many people smiling at you and will wave you into their houses and offer you food and drink. Maybe you will think that they want only money but this is most likely because you have found a life here that gives you this opinion. In fact, "most Thai's" only want food, shelter and water and happiness. This is the way of the Buddha sir.I feel sad that you only find the people who want your money. When the war in Vietnam was on the USA used Pattaya as their R& R station which attracted woman because they give the money to them. This carried on until now and this is what most of the foreigner thinks is Thailand unfortunately. With a population of 64 million people and only so much jobs for people it is this reason that people need money sir. If you ever have been hungry or grew up in a country that was poor maybe you can understand this. Yes we have only 26% of educated people for 64m so many people do not know about how or where to get the education and cannot read newspapers and also have no TV's. If you enjoy to live in the Thailand you should go into it more deep and see for yourself sir and I think you will be welcomed by many Thai people who will want not your money but only to talk and eat with you. As a Buddha you will know that food should be shared to give life to everyone. I do not know you sir and do not judge people because the law of karma and the darma tells us that if you have food, shelter, water and love this gives you happiness. I would invite you to travel with me when I have time and show you the Thai people that maybe you have never see because language stop you from seeing the true Thailand, I do not know. I do not know what country you are from but in USA they always vote for the Bush party and you can say that they were fair? In England it was Thatcher for a long time etc etc. You must learn to understand the real Thai people and not only the people you meet in a bar and then maybe you will understand why many love Thaksin. You say he take money from my fellow Thai people but I think he is like the movie Robin Hood where he takes from the rich and give to the poor. If he does not give to the poor then who will? Mr Abhisit did not do. I do not agree that buying votes is good but if that is what makes my people happy then we are correct. I know many foreigner want Thailand to be like their country but maybe Thai do not want this. Can you please tell me why you live here sir? I would like to know?

You are making several incorrect assumptions.

There have always been some Thai members of TVF.

You assume that the Thai people known by members here have been met in bars, or are uneducated.

You seem to assume that the prostitution scene in Thailand is geared towards foreigners.

You assume that your claim to be an educated Thai will automatically be believed in light of things like the court's 7 hour long decision explaining in detail the corruption of Thaksin. There have always been some people on this board that have defended the summary execution without trial of 2500+ (including 1400 innocents) during Thaksin's "war on drugs" and all the other things done by Thaksin.

You, of course, are welcome to your opinion and to express it here. That means you get to accept the fact that other people will have opinions as well. Including opinions that you might not be who you claim to be. When other posters disappear and a new poster arrives with similar styles of writing etc ... some people will assume (like I do) that an IP check would show the new poster to be a longer term member with a new screenname (which is against the rules for TVF). You might be all that you claim to be, and time will tell

Over the years many long-time members of TVF have seen the comings and goings of people making some very interesting claims. Most of which have been proven false.

You support vote-buying --- which is VERY strange. That same line of argument could as easily be applied to anything ... "if it makes us happy" .... Look around Thailand right now at the political scene and tell me that people are happy. I would suggest that on the political front people are either unhappy OR apathetic.

[jayboy]

You, of course, are welcome to your opinion and to express it here. That means you get to accept the fact that other people will have opinions as well. Including opinions that you might not be who you claim to be. When other posters disappear and a new poster arrives with similar styles of writing etc ... some people will assume (like I do) that an IP check would show the new poster to be a longer term member with a new screenname (which is against the rules for TVF). You might be all that you claim to be, and time will tell

Purely hypothetically then if one knew that a banned member (with whom purely hypothetically) one had been a designated friend and who was was notorious for hunting down re-emerged banned members, had himself re-emerged with a new screen name, what should one's attitude be as an upright member of TVF? It's difficult isn't it, torn by the tendency not to want to grass, but at the same time being appalled by the hypocrisy.Any thoughts? Sorry for the diversion from the main topic.