Conficated Bike

[katabeachbum]

Where was that Kata ? in Phuket as you know different kettle of fish there.

I would of thought you of all people being a expert and all would know better than to ride around with out your paper work, :jap:

Boys in black roadblock Highway4 Chumporn/Prechuap. As usual impounding anything WO plates and docs.

BTW, boys in black do the same job all over the country, they are not local Police force, nothing special about Phuket

Only cash, CC and DL in my pocket. Paperwork was in following car, couple of hours behind.

agree it is not very likely to get caught, as they have only asked me for docs a few times during +8 years fulltime and +450.000 km. But when caught by boys in black, you r f-cked

[Shocktreatment]

Phuket has always been tighter on plate laws.

Well I guess the boys in black arent doing much of a job

[thaicbr]

There was an article in the BB post today about the BIB confiscating illegally imported cars.... so it does happen.. as for if you have paid the duty.. was it at import or later.. every thing changes here so UNLESS you have a plate and green book, you can NOT be sure

[Shocktreatment]

Most the older bikes were and are imported in parts so the excise tax isnt paid until they are put together, Also excise cant touch your bike if it isnt put together, so if you are worried and you havent paid you excise tax and you are storing the bike, pull the wheels off and a few bit so its still being built.

[BigBikeBKK]

This is exactly what I was asking in the begging, thanks Shocktreatment. If you've paid the excise tax, they will release the bike and not keep it in lock up? (permitting you're not in an accident or anything)

I dont know of anyone that has had the bike locked up and confiscated having both import and excise tax paid, I guess others here havent as well or they would have posted it.

I guess we're just arguing semantics because I've already given you one example of bikes that were CONFISCATED, IMPOUNDED and LOCKED UP. For you to insist it doesn't happen indicates you have a tenuous grip on reality... or the English language... or both...

im·pound/imˈpound/Verb

1. Seize and take legal custody of (something, esp. a vehicle, goods, or documents) because of an infringement of a law or regulation: "unregistered vehicles will be impounded".

con·fis·cate/ˈkänfəˌskāt/Verb

1. Take or seize (someone's property) with authority.

lock·up/ˈläkˌəp/Noun

1. A jail, esp. a temporary one.2. The locking up of something or someone.

Get it???

Edited May 30, 2011 by BigBikeBKK

[Shocktreatment]

This is exactly what I was asking in the begging, thanks Shocktreatment. If you've paid the excise tax, they will release the bike and not keep it in lock up? (permitting you're not in an accident or anything)

I dont know of anyone that has had the bike locked up and confiscated having both import and excise tax paid, I guess others here havent as well or they would have posted it.

I guess we're just arguing semantics because I've already given you one example of bikes that were CONFISCATED, IMPOUNDED and LOCKED UP. For you to insist it doesn't happen indicates you have a tenuous grip on reality... or the English language... or both...

im·pound/imˈpound/Verb

1. Seize and take legal custody of (something, esp. a vehicle, goods, or documents) because of an infringement of a law or regulation: "unregistered vehicles will be impounded".

con·fis·cate/ˈkänfəˌskāt/Verb

1. Take or seize (someone's property) with authority.

lock·up/ˈläkˌəp/Noun

1. A jail, esp. a temporary one.2. The locking up of something or someone.

Get it???

But what you fail to understand is the impounding of those bikes that you have shown was for excise tax, and all bikes with import papers and excise tax paid were returned to their owners not only was I envolved in it I also posted on thread

Now the OP is asking if they are confiscating bikes with import and excise tax paid. Which they are not.

As well as you have unable to show one account.

So please dont try and BS me

Maybe tomorrow they well could start taking imported bikes with excise tax off people but for right now they arent so please stick to something you understand :jap:

[BigBikeBKK]

This is exactly what I was asking in the begging, thanks Shocktreatment. If you've paid the excise tax, they will release the bike and not keep it in lock up? (permitting you're not in an accident or anything)

I dont know of anyone that has had the bike locked up and confiscated having both import and excise tax paid, I guess others here havent as well or they would have posted it.

I guess we're just arguing semantics because I've already given you one example of bikes that were CONFISCATED, IMPOUNDED and LOCKED UP. For you to insist it doesn't happen indicates you have a tenuous grip on reality... or the English language... or both...

im·pound/imˈpound/Verb

1. Seize and take legal custody of (something, esp. a vehicle, goods, or documents) because of an infringement of a law or regulation: "unregistered vehicles will be impounded".

con·fis·cate/ˈkänfəˌskāt/Verb

1. Take or seize (someone's property) with authority.

lock·up/ˈläkˌəp/Noun

1. A jail, esp. a temporary one.2. The locking up of something or someone.

Get it???

But what you fail to understand is the impounding of those bikes that you have shown was for excise tax, and all bikes with import papers and excise tax paid were returned to their owners not only was I envolved in it I also posted on thread

Now the OP is asking if they are confiscating bikes with import and excise tax paid. Which they are not.

As well as you have unable to show one account.

So please dont try and BS me

Maybe tomorrow they well could start taking imported bikes with excise tax off people but for right now they arent so please stick to something you understand :jap:

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension-

Go back and read the OP's question:

"Can the BiB confiscate a motorbike with an invoice, even if excise tax has been paid?"

The answer is YES.

You can't register your bike and get a plate if the excise tax hasn't been paid.

No plate means your bike can be confiscated, impounded and locked up.

Get it?!

[Shocktreatment]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension-

Go back and read the OP's question:

"Can the BiB confiscate a motorbike with an invoice, even if excise tax has been paid?"

The answer is YES.

You can't register your bike and get a plate if the excise tax hasn't been paid.

No plate means your bike can be confiscated, impounded and locked up.

Get it?!

Please show me someone that has lost there bike and been arrested due to riding a bike with excise tax paid

That all I ask pretty dam simple isnt it

[Shocktreatment]

Also if they were impounding bikes with excise tax paid, farangs would be targets would they not ? and yet with all the people I know all over Thailand some on unplated bikes, not one knows of any one that has been arrested or these 1000s of bike confiscated as you both claim.

So please put up or shut up that police are now targeting bikes with excise tax paid and arresting people. :jap:

[BigBikeBKK]

Also if they were impounding bikes with excise tax paid, farangs would be targets would they not ? and yet with all the people I know all over Thailand some on unplated bikes, not one knows of any one that has been arrested or these 1000s of bike confiscated as you both claim.

So please put up or shut up that police are now targeting bikes with excise tax paid and arresting people. :jap:

Who said anything about bikers being arrested? But as for bikes being confiscated and impounded, plenty of examples from all over the country. You keep reading things that aren't there...

[Shocktreatment]

Also if they were impounding bikes with excise tax paid, farangs would be targets would they not ? and yet with all the people I know all over Thailand some on unplated bikes, not one knows of any one that has been arrested or these 1000s of bike confiscated as you both claim.

So please put up or shut up that police are now targeting bikes with excise tax paid and arresting people. :jap:

Who said anything about bikers being arrested? But as for bikes being confiscated and impounded, plenty of examples from all over the country. You keep reading things that aren't there...

I guess you should read post #57

No there isnt any of examples of bikes with import papers and excise tax paid being impounded all over the country. Please show me one, T H E P I C T U R E S Y O U P O S T ED A R E F R O M T H E E X C I S E T A X R O U N D U P.

Is that slow anough for you

[katabeachbum]

Also if they were impounding bikes with excise tax paid, farangs would be targets would they not ? and yet with all the people I know all over Thailand some on unplated bikes, not one knows of any one that has been arrested or these 1000s of bike confiscated as you both claim.

So please put up or shut up that police are now targeting bikes with excise tax paid and arresting people. :jap:

Who said anything about bikers being arrested? But as for bikes being confiscated and impounded, plenty of examples from all over the country. You keep reading things that aren't there...

I guess you should read post #57

No there isnt any of examples of bikes with import papers and excise tax paid being impounded all over the country. Please show me one, T H E P I C T U R E S Y O U P O S T ED A R E F R O M T H E E X C I S E T A X R O U N D U P.

Is that slow anough for you

Still cant figure out why you want people to ride unplated bikes illegally, and why you want to claim consequenses are on the spot minor tea money fines only. It is false info and advice to tell anyone riding a non road legal vehicle is totally ok. It is not ok. Not in Thailand any more, not in most other countries.

No matter what you say, the result can be impound/auction of bike, multimillion baht payments as non insured, and imprisonment. You can not change those facts, despite posting bad advice here

and believe me, if it was ok, or even just a minor problem risk, I would ride something more exciting than plated Ninja 650R, like I used to do when it still was risk free.

H-ck, why would I need plate and proper Insurance, wouldnt mind paying 1000 baht when pulled over for no plate, and have no problem covering a multimillion baht accident if it should happen.

If that was all. It is not

[Shocktreatment]

Also if they were impounding bikes with excise tax paid, farangs would be targets would they not ? and yet with all the people I know all over Thailand some on unplated bikes, not one knows of any one that has been arrested or these 1000s of bike confiscated as you both claim.

So please put up or shut up that police are now targeting bikes with excise tax paid and arresting people. :jap:

Who said anything about bikers being arrested? But as for bikes being confiscated and impounded, plenty of examples from all over the country. You keep reading things that aren't there...

I guess you should read post #57

No there isnt any of examples of bikes with import papers and excise tax paid being impounded all over the country. Please show me one, T H E P I C T U R E S Y O U P O S T ED A R E F R O M T H E E X C I S E T A X R O U N D U P.

Is that slow anough for you

Still cant figure out why you want people to ride unplated bikes illegally, and why you want to claim consequenses are on the spot minor tea money fines only. It is false info and advice to tell anyone riding a non road legal vehicle is totally ok. It is not ok. Not in Thailand any more, not in most other countries.

No matter what you say, the result can be impound/auction of bike, multimillion baht payments as non insured, and imprisonment. You can not change those facts, despite posting bad advice here

and believe me, if it was ok, or even just a minor problem risk, I would ride something more exciting than plated Ninja 650R, like I used to do when it still was risk free.

H-ck, why would I need plate and proper Insurance, wouldnt mind paying 1000 baht when pulled over for no plate, and have no problem covering a multimillion baht accident if it should happen.

If that was all. It is not

No I dont recomend anyone rides a unplated bike or with out insurance. But what I have posted is what my experience has been and what is happening in the bike community right now to the best of my knowledge.

I would be a little upset to if I had to ride a Ninja 650 :jap:

[katabeachbum]

No I dont recomend anyone rides a unplated bike or with out insurance. But what I have posted is what my experience has been and what is happening in the bike community right now to the best of my knowledge.

I would be a little upset to if I had to ride a Ninja 650 :jap:

and since you dont want to listen to other TV members and fellow bikers knowledge, your knowledge will remain rather limited

Well, I prefere my Ninja650 over any cruiser including my rather fast VTX 1800. Faster, handles and brakes better

[Shocktreatment]

No I dont recomend anyone rides a unplated bike or with out insurance. But what I have posted is what my experience has been and what is happening in the bike community right now to the best of my knowledge.

I would be a little upset to if I had to ride a Ninja 650 :jap:

and since you dont want to listen to other TV members and fellow bikers knowledge, your knowledge will remain rather limited

Well, I prefere my Ninja650 over any cruiser including my rather fast VTX 1800. Faster, handles and brakes better

I listen to those that have known and trusted in over 10 years in Thailand that are also respected people in Thailands biking community Not a couple of know it alls on a forum that cant even support their arguement

I am glad you like your 650 over your rather fast VTX, what ever floats your boat :jap:

[katabeachbum]

No I dont recomend anyone rides a unplated bike or with out insurance. But what I have posted is what my experience has been and what is happening in the bike community right now to the best of my knowledge.

I would be a little upset to if I had to ride a Ninja 650 :jap:

and since you dont want to listen to other TV members and fellow bikers knowledge, your knowledge will remain rather limited

Well, I prefere my Ninja650 over any cruiser including my rather fast VTX 1800. Faster, handles and brakes better

I listen to those that have known and trusted in over 10 years in Thailand that are also respected people in Thailands biking community Not a couple of know it alls on a forum that cant even support their arguement

I am glad you like your 650 over your rather fast VTX, what ever floats your boat :jap:

glad you are trusting your long time friends. however they seem to be outdated as they according to you dont even recognise the 2010 plate law.

any DLT reg department can update you if you want to know reality. In the meanwhile remain blind

[Shocktreatment]

No I dont recomend anyone rides a unplated bike or with out insurance. But what I have posted is what my experience has been and what is happening in the bike community right now to the best of my knowledge.

I would be a little upset to if I had to ride a Ninja 650 :jap:

and since you dont want to listen to other TV members and fellow bikers knowledge, your knowledge will remain rather limited

Well, I prefere my Ninja650 over any cruiser including my rather fast VTX 1800. Faster, handles and brakes better

I listen to those that have known and trusted in over 10 years in Thailand that are also respected people in Thailands biking community Not a couple of know it alls on a forum that cant even support their arguement

I am glad you like your 650 over your rather fast VTX, what ever floats your boat :jap:

glad you are trusting your long time friends. however they seem to be outdated as they according to you dont even recognise the 2010 plate law.

any DLT reg department can update you if you want to know reality. In the meanwhile remain blind

There maybe/maybe not a new law that the police and people dont know about, but you must admit it pretty funny how there wasnt a press release or any thing on the net or papers about the new law coming into affect other than your word on TV. As well as no one coming forward with storys of losing there bike or being arrested.

As well they arent inforcing the new law if such a law has been bought in as many unplated bikes still getting around on the road.

[troehr]

Actually the new law was in the Bangkok Post, but it was back before the laws went into effect.

[katabeachbum]

There maybe/maybe not a new law that the police and people dont know about, but you must admit it pretty funny how there wasnt a press release or any thing on the net or papers about the new law coming into affect other than your word on TV. As well as no one coming forward with storys of losing there bike or being arrested.

As well they arent inforcing the new law if such a law has been bought in as many unplated bikes still getting around on the road.

as I know you read one press release published here on TV in our other no plate thread, and replyed to it, I realize you are simply in denial regarding any laws on lack of plates

The law is enforced, but perhaps not where you ride when you ride

[katabeachbum]

Actually the new law was in the Bangkok Post, but it was back before the laws went into effect.

Indeed it was, and thats ONE of my sources, as I have mentioned in previous discussions with Shock.

Unfortunately BKK post does not allow TV to quote or link, so Shock will have to look it up himself.

But as he wants to remain in denial of this law, he probably will not

[Shocktreatment]

There maybe/maybe not a new law that the police and people dont know about, but you must admit it pretty funny how there wasnt a press release or any thing on the net or papers about the new law coming into affect other than your word on TV. As well as no one coming forward with storys of losing there bike or being arrested.

As well they arent inforcing the new law if such a law has been bought in as many unplated bikes still getting around on the road.

as I know you read one press release published here on TV in our other no plate thread, and replyed to it, I realize you are simply in denial regarding any laws on lack of plates

The law is enforced, but perhaps not where you ride

There are many ya bah sellers around to, despite the law being enforced on sale of ya bah. Still doesnt make it legal, still can cause ya bah dealers major problems

No the link you showed was a bullshit crack down in Phuket and had nothing to do at all with what we are talking about, but feel free to post it up for me to pick out your errors

your law may well be true but I would like to see something in writting, which you cant seem to show. Also there is not one thread on the new law on any Thailand web forum that I know of, which being such a strong change in law,taking peoples bikes and arresting them, you really would think there would be something on the net as well as farangs complaining about it.

Especially as they are enforcing it and confiscated 1000s of bikes and arresting people.

Now I havent ridden down to Pattaya Bangkok for a few years but have been all over central and North and North east on a unplated bike the last 12 months will out a problem and know many Thai and farang riders riding non plated bike all over Thailand that have had no problems

Please show me the press release

Edited May 31, 2011 by 7by7
Link to Bangkok Post removed, see forum rule 31 and post above.

[BigBikeBKK]

No there isnt any of examples of bikes with import papers and excise tax paid being impounded all over the country. Please show me one, T H E P I C T U R E S Y O U P O S T ED A R E F R O M T H E E X C I S E T A X R O U N D U P.

Is that slow anough for you

You really must suffer from a reading disability... From the previous post:

"Anything without a plate they are taking & say they will continue to do so. "

Got it?

[BigBikeBKK]

There maybe/maybe not a new law that the police and people dont know about, but you must admit it pretty funny how there wasnt a press release or any thing on the net or papers about the new law coming into affect other than your word on TV. As well as no one coming forward with storys of losing there bike or being arrested.

As well they arent inforcing the new law if such a law has been bought in as many unplated bikes still getting around on the road.

Perhaps if you came out of your cave and read a newspaper or watched the TV news from time to time you would know about the new law- it was quite well publicized...

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

[Shocktreatment]

If it was so well publicized why wasnt it in TV news

[BigBikeBKK]

There maybe/maybe not a new law that the police and people dont know about, but you must admit it pretty funny how there wasnt a press release or any thing on the net or papers about the new law coming into affect other than your word on TV. As well as no one coming forward with storys of losing there bike or being arrested.

As well they arent inforcing the new law if such a law has been bought in as many unplated bikes still getting around on the road.

Perhaps if you came out of your cave and read a newspaper or watched the TV news from time to time you would know about the new law- it was quite well publicized...

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

So well publicized no one can produce a link of any disscusion on any forum in Thailand,

Keep playing the idiot, you cant even understand what we are talking about and post a 2 year link.

on excise tax round up, not real bright are you and show me one place where they have taken a invoiced bike with excise tax paid and arrested the owner. Just one

No I didnt think you could fool :jap:

This is becoming tedious. The new law was mentioned on this forum and published in various newspapers and reported on TV news. Just because you're ignorant of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As I told you before, I don't know anyone who has been arrested for riding an unplated bike. But I do know people who have had their unplated bikes confiscated and impounded. Some got their bikes back, some didn't.

I think it's pretty clear who's the fool in this thread

[Shocktreatment]

There maybe/maybe not a new law that the police and people dont know about, but you must admit it pretty funny how there wasnt a press release or any thing on the net or papers about the new law coming into affect other than your word on TV. As well as no one coming forward with storys of losing there bike or being arrested.

As well they arent inforcing the new law if such a law has been bought in as many unplated bikes still getting around on the road.

Perhaps if you came out of your cave and read a newspaper or watched the TV news from time to time you would know about the new law- it was quite well publicized...

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

So well publicized no one can produce a link of any disscusion on any forum in Thailand,

Keep playing the idiot, you cant even understand what we are talking about and post a 2 year link.

on excise tax round up, not real bright are you and show me one place where they have taken a invoiced bike with excise tax paid and arrested the owner. Just one

No I didnt think you could fool :jap:

This is becoming tedious. The new law was mentioned on this forum and published in various newspapers and reported on TV news. Just because you're ignorant of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As I told you before, I don't know anyone who has been arrested for riding an unplated bike. But I do know people who have had their unplated bikes confiscated and impounded. Some got their bikes back, some didn't.

I think it's pretty clear who's the fool in this thread

Yes the guys that didnt get their bikes back would have had false import or excise papers or refused to pay

Please show link to where it was mention on the forum so I can read it for myself,

If I am ignorant then so are the police, so are the three bike shops I have been in lately, so are my import mates, so are all the riders I know.

[chunkylover53]

Okay, that made an interesting little read!

Through all the back and forth - Shocktreatment does have a point. I have been searching around the net, asking people, posting on forums in the hope of finding a definitive answer, and everyone tells me how illegal it is etc etc, but no one has come up with any first hand experience or simple proof.

BigBikeBKK -> Can you send me a link, name, anything physical to prove the plate law? Some evidence that it isn't just bikes without excise that are being impounded/seized/what-ever-english-word-you-know-the-definition-to?

[BigBikeBKK]

Okay, that made an interesting little read!

Through all the back and forth - Shocktreatment does have a point. I have been searching around the net, asking people, posting on forums in the hope of finding a definitive answer, and everyone tells me how illegal it is etc etc, but no one has come up with any first hand experience or simple proof.

BigBikeBKK -> Can you send me a link, name, anything physical to prove the plate law? Some evidence that it isn't just bikes without excise that are being impounded/seized/what-ever-english-word-you-know-the-definition-to?

It was in the Bangkok Post. We're not allowed to post links to the Bangkok Post on this forum. (And the Bangkok Post's "search" function is as useful as tits on a bull)

You certainly don't have to take my word for it. You can view the entire Thai Motor Vehicle Act at any Land Transport Office. Go to Title 1: [[Registration of Motor Vehicles]] to read the law governing the registration of vehicles and penalties for operating an unregistered vehicle on public roads.

Chances are very few BiB know about the changes to the law, but again, ignorance of the law is a pretty weak excuse...

Happy Trails!

Tony

[katabeachbum]

Okay, that made an interesting little read!

Through all the back and forth - Shocktreatment does have a point. I have been searching around the net, asking people, posting on forums in the hope of finding a definitive answer, and everyone tells me how illegal it is etc etc, but no one has come up with any first hand experience or simple proof.

BigBikeBKK -> Can you send me a link, name, anything physical to prove the plate law? Some evidence that it isn't just bikes without excise that are being impounded/seized/what-ever-english-word-you-know-the-definition-to?

just remain here in bike forum, type "red plate" or "plate law" in the search top of page right side, and you can read an article in Phuket gazette on platelaw enforcement.

MY GFs uncle is a judge in Petchbury, and they have so far 4 foreigners (in addition to thais) waiting for court to sentence them for traffick violations and lack of plate since the new plate law came into effect. All 4 posted bail 2-300k baht to remain out of cage until court date

sorry to let you know I have posted false info, I said max one year in jail for non registered/plated vehicle on public road. It is six months to five years imprisonment

[furyrider]

Wow I haven't checked back in on this thread since it was first posted and what a read. I would not try riding bike without plates and having all the paper work I need in my home country I am sure not going to do as a guest in another country.

I don't know for sure what the plate law is but they do have plates for bikes and vehicles and common since tells me that you should have one and if there are the majority of the bikes I see have a plate then their must be a law that says you need one or you would not see any Plates on any bike. Common since also tells me that if you have not paid all the taxes and done all the inspections you need to have done you are not going to get a plate.

I do have an imported bike and I made sure that everything was done had the green book in hand excise tax import duty all the way to having plate in hand before the bike hit the road along with insurance. Way Way to much money to loose.

Yes in Thailand you can get away with a lot of things and many do, until one day they get hit hard for it and find 100 or 200 BT will not get them out of it and then cry about how unfair things are. I think as foreigners in the Kingdom we should try following the laws they have even though the Thais sometimes don't. And sometimes they make absolutely know since at all but still they are their laws.

And once again it is just common since guys