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//Edit: Oh ad I would go for a 600W PSU - they last longer (not being run at full power all day in Thailand temperatures) and have spare load if you add peripherals (USB powered and internal HDD/DVD/CD/graphics boards/fans - and get good fans, decent thermal paste for the CPU heatsink (and a heatsink over 2 inches if you can fit one in your case)

I run my current PC 24 hours a day for the last 2 years, that might have something to do with it struggling sometimes, I say that but it's done pretty well!

I found this PSU, B4,230, http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/power-supplies/cooler-master/silent-pro-m600-600w-power-supply-80-plus-silver-rs-600-amba-d3-p001565/ will that actually be silent or almost silent?

And with regards to the fans, doesn't the case I've got my eye on come with fans already? http://www.thanni.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=220&products_id=5388 and if it doesn't, can you recommend some quiet fans?

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OK - do you really want to build a new system? In your post you say your 2 year old one is struggling, in the first instance, have you tried rebuilding that one? If you are not a gamer (as you posted) then it is likely to be memory of disk space that is the issue as to speed - 2 years ago machines were still pretty fast!

That's a good point and I managed to ignore it. Perhaps the OP can give the full spec of the machine - CPU/Mainboard/Memory amount/Hard drive model & size. Video card can bring a machine down to its knees also.

I suspect he has his heart set on a new system though now and his wife may be none too happy to lose her 'new' computer. :D

//edit - looks like I read the OP's mind. ;)

You did! :)

The machine I use at the moment is a shop-bought Compaq CQ3072L so a completely basic machine, specs here: http://www.ambry.com/page/modelnu/KY781AA/5187-4059.html

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And with regards to the fans, doesn't the case I've got my eye on come with fans already?

Front (intake): 1x 120mm blue LED

Side (intake): 1x 230mm blue LED

Rear (exhaust): 1x 120mm or 2x 80mm (optional/non included)

So it appears to have Front & Side and Rear is optional. Details from their website.

Jedicool is a good place for these types of options.

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And with regards to the fans, doesn't the case I've got my eye on come with fans already?

Front (intake): 1x 120mm blue LED

Side (intake): 1x 230mm blue LED

Rear (exhaust): 1x 120mm or 2x 80mm (optional/non included)

So it appears to have Front & Side and Rear is optional. Details from their website.

Jedicool is a good place for these types of options.

So that means it only has the capacity for fans, not actually fans included? Sorry for my ignorance :(

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I'm still unsure of spending B6,850 on something that a previous poster has accused of being slower than 2 year old gear which is approx the same age as my current PC which uses a Pentium Dual-Core E5400 2.70GHz

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I'm still unsure of spending B6,850 on something that a previous poster has accused of being slower than 2 year old gear which is approx the same age as my current PC which uses a Pentium Dual-Core E5400 2.70GHz

yeah if your referring to me take what I said with a grain of salt, my Q9650 is currently @ 4.2Ghz and has been for a while but when I run low on coolant the machine turns into an unstable pig.

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And with regards to the fans, doesn't the case I've got my eye on come with fans already?

Front (intake): 1x 120mm blue LED

Side (intake): 1x 230mm blue LED

Rear (exhaust): 1x 120mm or 2x 80mm (optional/non included)

So it appears to have Front & Side and Rear is optional. Details from their website.

Jedicool is a good place for these types of options.

So that means it only has the capacity for fans, not actually fans included? Sorry for my ignorance :(

Sounds like there are 2 case fans installed and a third optional. The included two both such air in - the third would blow the hot air back out.

Also CPU fan (Graphics cards often come wit their own built in if required these days). CPU fans (sits on top of the heat sink and CPU itself and runs around 3,700rpm - so a fast little fan) - the standard ones are not great, so if your budget will stretch to it, look into a better fan.

PSU's are generally quiet these days (anything over the most basic cheapo untis) as they have bearing fans (its the fan that makes the noise) - I can't hear mine over the wall fan which is quiet too (laptops usually drown out my desktop fan noise when their fans kick in - noisy little beggars).

Suggestion then: If you build your own machine - keep some of the termal paste back. Then when you clean out your old one (and in 2 years it will be very dusty in there!) remove the CPU fan and heat sink (not the CPU) and give them a clean (can wash the heatsink in warm soapy water - dry it in front of a fan) and then use a small blob of the thernal past when putting it all back - a layer of dust often collects between the fan and the heatsink causing the CPU to run hot and the CPU fan to run at full speed (trying to cool the CPU down) - this will save the life of the CPU, speed up the processing speed, and lower the power consumption and drain on the PSU. All for a blob of paste and a 10 minute clean! Note I do a full internal spring clean on my boxes (i.e. desktops) every 3 months and they always need it.

//Edit: Just did this on my main desktop - CPU was running at between 75 and 103 degrees C across 4 cores - after the clean all 4 under 65 and stable - Q4's always seem to run hot even at idle (65 is not cool!) //

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So that means it only has the capacity for fans, not actually fans included? Sorry for my ignorance :(

To clarify - front & side fans are included, the rear (exhaust) fan is optional.

As for the 2.7GHz E5400, you should be getting pretty good performance from it for general use. Suspect other issues are slowing it down. Memory, Hard drive, Video card or even the mainboard itself (chipset). Not to mention the OS. If XP than it does get slower over time as disk management on XP is not too hot. Enough memory, faster drive and video card you should be able to run Win7 and not have that issue anymore. My 2.4GHz E6600 with 4GB memory and Samsung F3/F4 drives and a good video card runs everything I throw at it including the new mainstream games.

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Suggestion then: If you build your own machine - keep some of the termal paste back. Then when you clean out your old one (and in 2 years it will be very dusty in there!) remove the CPU fan and heat sink (not the CPU) and give them a clean (can wash the heatsink in warm soapy water - dry it in front of a fan) and then use a small blob of the thernal past when putting it all back - a layer of dust often collects between the fan and the heatsink causing the CPU to run hot and the CPU fan to run at full speed (trying to cool the CPU down) - this will save the life of the CPU, speed up the processing speed, and lower the power consumption and drain on the PSU. All for a blob of paste and a 10 minute clean! Note I do a full internal spring clean on my boxes (i.e. desktops) every 3 months and they always need it.

Generally new CPU's come with paste already applied, the random paste that is actually sold here is garbage, try to buy some Arctic silver 5 if possible and replace the "factory" paste, it's a rare beast to find here though.

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I recommend 2x 4GB sticks of RAM.
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I don't think I need 64-bit, I'm using 32-bit at the moment and although I think it's fine for my usage, it could be part of the problem of my PC sometimes struggling with the load I put it under, what are the benefits of having 64-bit? If I don't need it then I suppose 2x2GB RAM is adequate?

I disagree. There's nothing wrong with Kingston RAM (even their value stuff), plus the website I've linked to is, from my understanding, very helpful for RMA/warranty issues. I do personally use Corsair brand in most of my builds (although when in the States used a lot of Patriot) but have utilised Kingston Value RAM before in a lower end build and ran into zero issues.

There is no reason not to go 64 bit. Drivers are on par (and sometimes ahead), increased available memory without having to resort to 'hacks' is a plus, etc.

Sorry that I replied to both Tywais and MaiDong in this part..trying to save space.

I'm a stickler for form, unfortunately, would you say this case will be ok? http://www.thanni.co...roducts_id=5388

Up to you as long as you are sure that airflow (which promotes longevity of parts) is sufficient and you are happy with the looks.

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I've selected almost B20,000 of components for this build, I still need to buy 2 monitors which will cost another B6,000 minimum, and a few other extras, taking the total price up to over B27,000, that's way too much, I'll need to lessen my standards a little, what does anybody think I can downgrade on to reduce this total?

Processor - B6,850 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/cpus-processors/intel/core%E2%84%A2-i5-2500-sandy-bridge-processor-6m-cache-3-30-ghz-bx80623i52500-p004978/

Motherboard - B2,750 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/motherboards/asus/p8h61-m-le-usb3-b3-lga1155-h61-2-x-ddr3-4-x-sata-3gb-s-uatx-p005933/

RAM - B2,900 - 2x 4GB sticks of RAM - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/4gb-1333mhz-ddr3-non-ecc-cl9-dimm-1x4gb-kvr1333d3n9-4g-p006022/

Case - B1,920 - http://www.thanni.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=220&products_id=5388

Power supply - B4,230 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/power-supplies/cooler-master/silent-pro-m600-600w-power-supply-80-plus-silver-rs-600-amba-d3-p001565/

HDD - B2,080 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/internal-hard-drives/seagate/barracuda-7200-12-sata-6gb-s-1tb-hard-drive-7200rpm-32mb-cache-st31000524as-p005320/

DVD - B690(this seems too cheap) - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/cd-dvd-burners/asus/drw-24b3st-internal-24x-sata-dvd-writer-black-p005912/

And what about an OS, should I buy retail or OEM? Will both only be eligible for installation on 1 machine?

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try to buy some Arctic silver 5 if possible and replace the "factory" paste, it's a rare beast to find here though.

Jedicool used to carry it but, as you said, appears to becoming rare. However they do have Tuniq TX3 which based on this review is up there with the top pastes.

Personally, for a first build system I would use the factory paste as it is sufficient for a couple of years. Don't want to make this too complicated for a first time builder.

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My 2.4GHz E6600 with 4GB memory and Samsung F3/F4 drives and a good video card runs everything I throw at it including the new mainstream games.

Here's my "outdated" system:

E4400 @ 3.2 GHz (overclocked)

2GB DDR2 RAM

Windows 7 Ultimate

I can play Crysis at medium settings, watch HD 1080p movies without a hitch, and do a loads of other crap... This machine is almost 4 years old.

No complaints. :)

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//Edit: Oh ad I would go for a 600W PSU - they last longer (not being run at full power all day in Thailand temperatures) and have spare load if you add peripherals (USB powered and internal HDD/DVD/CD/graphics boards/fans - and get good fans, decent thermal paste for the CPU heatsink (and a heatsink over 2 inches if you can fit one in your case)

I run my current PC 24 hours a day for the last 2 years, that might have something to do with it struggling sometimes, I say that but it's done pretty well!

I found this PSU, B4,230, http://www.invadeit....mba-d3-p001565/ will that actually be silent or almost silent?

And with regards to the fans, doesn't the case I've got my eye on come with fans already? http://www.thanni.co...roducts_id=5388 and if it doesn't, can you recommend some quiet fans?

The more silent they are usually the slower the fans run and that means the hotter the internals get and less life span.

Scythe makes good fans.

I'm still unsure of spending B6,850 on something that a previous poster has accused of being slower than 2 year old gear which is approx the same age as my current PC which uses a Pentium Dual-Core E5400 2.70GHz

Read his other post. He's talking about what was top o' the line until the faster Core i7 came out (clockspeed wise it is faster than the majority of current chips and it cost 530 USD itself or nearly the entire amount for the build I suggested).

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Up to you as long as you are sure that airflow (which promotes longevity of parts) is sufficient and you are happy with the looks.

And I suppose the only way I'll know is to try it, as I've got no experience whatsover :( Although if the case is big enough it should be ok shouldn't it?...

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//Edit: Oh ad I would go for a 600W PSU - they last longer (not being run at full power all day in Thailand temperatures) and have spare load if you add peripherals (USB powered and internal HDD/DVD/CD/graphics boards/fans - and get good fans, decent thermal paste for the CPU heatsink (and a heatsink over 2 inches if you can fit one in your case)

I run my current PC 24 hours a day for the last 2 years, that might have something to do with it struggling sometimes, I say that but it's done pretty well!

I found this PSU, B4,230, http://www.invadeit....mba-d3-p001565/ will that actually be silent or almost silent?

And with regards to the fans, doesn't the case I've got my eye on come with fans already? http://www.thanni.co...roducts_id=5388 and if it doesn't, can you recommend some quiet fans?

The more silent they are usually the slower the fans run and that means the hotter the internals get and less life span.

Scythe makes good fans.

I'm still unsure of spending B6,850 on something that a previous poster has accused of being slower than 2 year old gear which is approx the same age as my current PC which uses a Pentium Dual-Core E5400 2.70GHz

Read his other post. He's talking about what was top o' the line until the faster Core i7 came out (clockspeed wise it is faster than the majority of current chips and it cost 530 USD itself or nearly the entire amount for the build I suggested).

I'll look into those fans now, if I've understood right I only need to buy 1 extra fan...

I understand about the processor, I'm just thinking a little bit about the cost of this build, would I notice the difference between the suggested processor and the next down the range?

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If we're comparing outdated systems here's mine (pushing on 6 years of operation)

2x Opteron 280

Tyan K8WE

12 GB DDR-1 333 (won't run at rated 400 with that many sticks)

10k SCSI array

15k SCSI array

Replaced with

2x Xeon 5530

Supermicro X8DTN+ (needed pci-x)

12 GB DDR-3 1066

SCSI arrays migrated

added a Crucial RealSSD 128GB for "/"

Can't give Windows benchmarks (SuSE FTW) and I'm 6 hours away from it right now. I disabled HT because x264 chokes on >8 'cores' and found the machine was faster during transcodes with that settings.

**edit**

It ate my original post!

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I've selected almost B20,000 of components for this build, I still need to buy 2 monitors which will cost another B6,000 minimum, and a few other extras, taking the total price up to over B27,000, that's way too much, I'll need to lessen my standards a little, what does anybody think I can downgrade on to reduce this total?

RAM - B2,900 - 2x 4GB sticks of RAM - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/4gb-1333mhz-ddr3-non-ecc-cl9-dimm-1x4gb-kvr1333d3n9-4g-p006022/

Case - B1,920 - http://www.thanni.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=220&products_id=5388

Power supply - B4,230 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/power-supplies/cooler-master/silent-pro-m600-600w-power-supply-80-plus-silver-rs-600-amba-d3-p001565/

Over 4k for PSU? That's way too much. Yours isn't even a gaming rig &lt;deleted&gt;! Also, you don't need 8GB RAM; 4 gigs is plentiful for all practical purposes. I wouldn't spend more than a grand on the case, but that's just me.

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I've selected almost B20,000 of components for this build, I still need to buy 2 monitors which will cost another B6,000 minimum, and a few other extras, taking the total price up to over B27,000, that's way too much, I'll need to lessen my standards a little, what does anybody think I can downgrade on to reduce this total?

RAM - B2,900 - 2x 4GB sticks of RAM - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/4gb-1333mhz-ddr3-non-ecc-cl9-dimm-1x4gb-kvr1333d3n9-4g-p006022/

Case - B1,920 - http://www.thanni.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=220&products_id=5388

Power supply - B4,230 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/power-supplies/cooler-master/silent-pro-m600-600w-power-supply-80-plus-silver-rs-600-amba-d3-p001565/

Over 4k for PSU? That's way too much. Yours isn't even a gaming rig &lt;deleted&gt;! Also, you don't need 8GB RAM; 4 gigs is plentiful for all practical purposes. I wouldn't spend more than a grand on the case, but that's just me.

Lovely, that takes me down a few thousand, I was just thinking of the noise.

In another earlier thread I was asking about having a second monitor for a different space in my office - does the processor we've discussed have 2 VGA sockets or would I need to use a splitter still?

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I've selected almost B20,000 of components for this build, I still need to buy 2 monitors which will cost another B6,000 minimum, and a few other extras, taking the total price up to over B27,000, that's way too much, I'll need to lessen my standards a little, what does anybody think I can downgrade on to reduce this total?

RAM - B2,900 - 2x 4GB sticks of RAM - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/4gb-1333mhz-ddr3-non-ecc-cl9-dimm-1x4gb-kvr1333d3n9-4g-p006022/

Case - B1,920 - http://www.thanni.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=220&products_id=5388

Power supply - B4,230 - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/power-supplies/cooler-master/silent-pro-m600-600w-power-supply-80-plus-silver-rs-600-amba-d3-p001565/

Over 4k for PSU? That's way too much. Yours isn't even a gaming rig &lt;deleted&gt;! Also, you don't need 8GB RAM; 4 gigs is plentiful for all practical purposes. I wouldn't spend more than a grand on the case, but that's just me.

If I read this right, it's 2 x 2GB of Kingston memory? http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/memory/kingston/4gb-1600mhz-ddr3-non-ecc-cl9-dimm-kit-of-2-xmp-khx1600c9d3k2-4gx-p003651/

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Sorry for my constant questions everybody, I jsut really want to be sure about what I'm getting, I understand this should hopefully last me a good few years but this is still a lot of money to spend, your help is greatly appreciated by this confident but amateur PC builder!

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Yes, also known as "dual-channel kit".

A previous poster suggested a 600W PSU, would this one do at 500W?

It depends on the amperage.

One of the most important things to look for when choosing a PSU isn't the overall wattage, but the 12V rails. You don't want to go too low on this.

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Yes, also known as "dual-channel kit".

A previous poster suggested a 600W PSU, would this one do at 500W?

It depends on the amperage.

One of the most important things to look for when choosing a PSU isn't the overall wattage, but the 12V rails. You don't want to go too low on this.

Blurb from shop 'Extreme series packs a powerful punch by delivering stable streams of power through dual +12v outputs.'

That seems ok then :)

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Blurb from shop 'Extreme series packs a powerful punch by delivering stable streams of power through dual +12v outputs.'

That seems ok then :)

Since you're building a system *without* a dedicated graphics card, your power requirements won't be that high.

And is this DVD adequate? I'll hardly be using it but would like one just in case - B690(this seems too cheap) -

Should be good enough.

Optical drives are dirt cheap nowadays. Again, I won't spend over B1000 for a dvd writer.

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Power supplies are the base of any system. Don't know exactly where you are at, but providing clean steady current is what they're there for. Having said that, you are looking at way overkill for PSU. Don't think that you're ever going to see anything close to 460 watts; even a system like I've described as my new system barely uses more than that and I have MUCH more power hungry components than you are attempting to use (but don't listen to me too much because I'm still running my tri-rail PC Power & Cooling kilowatt PSU).

You can go with a smaller amount of RAM, but honestly, what's another 1000 THB to make sure that you have all the RAM you need? Go back to my recommend PSU and you save 1600 THB and more than cover the difference between the 4 and 8 GB costs.

I wouldn't go down on the processor simply so that it's future proof. Staying at quad core, the cheapest you can get is the 2300 which saves you less than 900 THB.

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PSU are the same Height and Width (for uATX and greater) but have varying lenghts. The PSU in my workstation is gigantic bugger that is something like nearly 10" deep.

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500 W PSU is OK - especially if you only have a single internal HDD and are not running X-Fire (or other power hungry dual board) graphics system - which you aren't. Most systems here come with 300W or lower and higher end ones tend to come with 450W PSUs - so 500 will be good.

There is no reason not to use a 64 bit OS these days (drivers were an issue with Vista 64 etc - but since Win7 and Win2008 drivers are much more available (Win2008R2 still a bit of a driver pain though - but this is not a worry for you as it is a server OS)). For example if you use Win7 64, your old 32 bit software will work fine. The main difference as far as you are concerned is that the OS can address a lot more memory. 32 bit only gives up to 4GB of RAM - it can only hold that many addresses so any extra memory is ignored - 64 bit win7 gives a maximum memory of between 8GB and 192GB (depending on version on Win7) all of which can be used. Some software is now only coming out in 64bit versions (like Adobe After Affects latest version), so its a good choice. Hardware must be able to support 64 bit though, so buy hardware that is 64 bit as it will still allow 32 bit OS if you still want to run it (but not the other way around).

Kingston memory is fine - I have used it in the past with no issues. It is better to have less dimms of greater memory than more dimms of smaller memory - and it is best to balance them (i.e. use the same size for each dimm). If not, then put the biggest in slot 0 and work your way down.

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And is this DVD adequate? I'll hardly be using it but would like one just in case - B690(this seems too cheap) - http://www.invadeit.co.th/product/cd-dvd-burners/asus/drw-24b3st-internal-24x-sata-dvd-writer-black-p005912/

Must not looked at the price of DVD drives lately. ;) They have gotten dirt cheap and that price is pretty normal for a non-compact (standard) size drive. I have an Asus DVD writer and cost a little more than that a few years ago when I got it - still running strong. Not an issue.

I agree about the power supply, don't need to spend that much. A 1500 - 2000 Baht Cooler Master such as this one at 1680.00 is sufficient.

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