Jatuporn Wants Bt10M Paid To Families Of 91 Killed During Political Turmoil

[Buchholz]

Not only do the Red Shirts consist partially of Thaskin opponents

... that's funny.

Please source any such so-called opposition to Thaksin.

[geriatrickid]

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I find it interesting that a figure of B10,000,000 was picked by Jatuporn as it represents around 100 years wages @ B300/day, Perhaps he wants everybody to get the same payment that he received.

If he had announced at the time, it could have boosted the red shirt attendance manifold. Every family in Isaan would have sent their grannie.

Please explain the payment to Jatuporn. You state that he recebved 10million baht. please substantiate your claim. When did Mr. Jatuporn receive 10million baht compensation and who paid it? You can backup up your allegation right?

"Senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana voiced suspicion yesterday over where the three hosts of "The Truth of Today" program got millions of baht to buy shares in a private company.

Ruangkrai questioned how Government Spokesman Nattawut Saikua, People Power Party MP Jatuporn Prompan, and Veera Musikapong had the money to buy shares in Puan Pong Nong Pi Co Ltd.

He said an official document listing the company shareholders dated April 2007 showed that Nattawut held 200,000 shares worth 20 Million Baht, Jatuporn held 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht, and Veera held 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht in the company.

He asked where the three got the money to own these shares."

quote courtesy of Bucholz :jap: As to who gave him B10,000,000 - perhaps he knows somebody rich. Is it too hard for you to grasp that the red shirt leaders and the the black shirt Ronin were Thaksin's mercenaries in a war against the Democrat govt?

Cute, but the use of an unproven allegation is not evidence of Mr. Jatuporn receiving 10 million baht compensation. Your friend has provided you with a quote to use. unfortunately, your dear friend, doesn't quite grasp the difference between an allegation and fact. The former government investigated and found nothing. เพื่อนพ้องน้องพี่ also known as PTV was the satellite television station started with the support of members of the former Thai Rak Thai party as an alternative information outlet to the military controlled ASTV. It was shut down by the military dictatorship. Yes, there are allegations that the money came from Mr. Thaksin, but there is no evidence to support those claims. It is laughable because Mr. Thaksin had been leery of the PTV startup. From a political perspective, it wasn't in his best interests and was a move by the former TRT executives to secure a place in the political landscape at a time when the former Thaksin associated party was in collapse. I suppose the fact that subscriptions and stock in the company were sold to the public does not register with you. The subscriptions were sold at approx. 5000 baht.The capital that was raised was not particularly large and came from multiple sources, including loans from some entrepreneurs. You did not mention that, but that's what the investigation found. Had there been illegal funding, I'm certain the military junta and its subsequent Abhisit administration would have brought charges. This then brings us back to your original claim, which in the absence of actual corroborated fact can now be dismissed as a false allegation. You claimed Mr. Jatuporn received compensation. You presented no evidence to show that he received compensation from the government nor any other party. This is why your statements are dismissed as a lie.

And btw, Thaksin had reservations about PTV and was leery of the former leadership of the TRT getting involved, especially those three. Wikipedia has some links to the Nation's articles at the time. I suggest you go and read them, as you take the Nation at its word.

Edited August 15, 2011 by metisdead
Corrected the misspelling of Thaksin's name.

[Buchholz]

or the Australian (picture of course courtesy of Buccholz)

Point of order, but Red Shirt Jeff Savage is a Proud Briton.

[Buchholz]

Including the soldiers & civilians killed by the Red-Shirts ?

And perhaps the government should also reimburse the UDD itself for the cost of their protest ?

And shouldn't the government pay for the pig's-blood thrown at peoples' gates & walls ? Or will the people thus attacked be invoiced by the UDD ?

Why should the UDD's 'contributors overseas' not get their donations back too ?

And the travelling-expenses for the journalists & farang-supporters ?

The list is endless ...

Can't forget this one on the list...

Was he killed?

just another attempt by you to derail a thread with irrelevance, it is easy to post pictures that have nothing to do with the topic in question, it solves nothing, it proves nothing, and to be fair it makes you look a little silly.

His shoes don't match and the hip hop chain is supposed to go around the neck!

He's a Red Shirt. You expect too much.

.

[OzMick]

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I find it interesting that a figure of B10,000,000 was picked by Jatuporn as it represents around 100 years wages @ B300/day, Perhaps he wants everybody to get the same payment that he received.

If he had announced at the time, it could have boosted the red shirt attendance manifold. Every family in Isaan would have sent their grannie.

Please explain the payment to Jatuporn. You state that he recebved 10million baht. please substantiate your claim. When did Mr. Jatuporn receive 10million baht compensation and who paid it? You can backup up your allegation right?

"Senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana voiced suspicion yesterday over where the three hosts of "The Truth of Today" program got millions of baht to buy shares in a private company.

Ruangkrai questioned how Government Spokesman Nattawut Saikua, People Power Party MP Jatuporn Prompan, and Veera Musikapong had the money to buy shares in Puan Pong Nong Pi Co Ltd.

He said an official document listing the company shareholders dated April 2007 showed that Nattawut held 200,000 shares worth 20 Million Baht, Jatuporn held 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht, and Veera held 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht in the company.

He asked where the three got the money to own these shares."

quote courtesy of Bucholz :jap: As to who gave him B10,000,000 - perhaps he knows somebody rich. Is it too hard for you to grasp that the red shirt leaders and the the black shirt Ronin were Thaksin's mercenaries in a war against the Democrat govt?

Cute, but the use of an unproven allegation is not evidence of Mr. Jatuporn receiving 10 million baht compensation. Your friend has provided you with a quote to use. unfortunately, your dear friend, doesn't quite grasp the difference between an allegation and fact. The former government investigated and found nothing. เพื่อนพ้องน้องพี่ also known as PTV was the satellite television station started with the support of members of the former Thai Rak Thai party as an alternative information outlet to the military controlled ASTV. It was shut down by the military dictatorship. Yes, there are allegations that the money came from Mr. Thaksin, but there is no evidence to support those claims. It is laughable because Mr. Thaksin had been leery of the PTV startup. From a political perspective, it wasn't in his best interests and was a move by the former TRT executives to secure a place in the political landscape at a time when the former Thaksin associated party was in collapse. I suppose the fact that subscriptions and stock in the company were sold to the public does not register with you. The subscriptions were sold at approx. 5000 baht.The capital that was raised was not particularly large and came from multiple sources, including loans from some entrepreneurs. You did not mention that, but that's what the investigation found. Had there been illegal funding, I'm certain the military junta and its subsequent Abhisit administration would have brought charges. This then brings us back to your original claim, which in the absence of actual corroborated fact can now be dismissed as a false allegation. You claimed Mr. Jatuporn received compensation. You presented no evidence to show that he received compensation from the government nor any other party. This is why your statements are dismissed as a lie.

And btw, Thaksin had reservations about PTV and was leery of the former leadership of the TRT getting involved, especially those three. Wikipedia has some links to the Nation's articles at the time. I suggest you go and read them, as you take the Nation at its word.

One day he turned up with shares worth B10,000,000 - and no evidence has been found to prove that it came from Thaksin. IMO it did, and was payment for his mercenary activities.

You don't like that, I couldn't care less.

[Buchholz]

It was shut down

Yes, Thaksin's PTV had no license to broadcast.

[phiphidon]

or the Australian (picture of course courtesy of Buccholz)

Point of order, but Red Shirt Jeff Savage is a Proud Briton.

I apologise to Australia - it was the chains and the prison uniform that threw me .

[TAWP]

If Jutaporn wants the dead red shirts to get that amount of money ontop of the law mandated sum then he can tell Thaksin to pay up.

[tlansford]

Not only do the Red Shirts consist partially of Thaskin opponents

... that's funny.

Please source any such so-called opposition to Thaksin.

The first recorded anti-coup demonstration was staged by Chulalongkorn University Professor Giles Ungpakorn - a opponent of Thaskin. Then the 19 September group was formed - as mentioned mostly Thaskin opponents.

This is not unusual. The PAD yellow shirts consisted of groups of individuals which were violent enemies earlier.

As for sources, there are many, but I find that an excellent contemporary source for the recent conflicts can be found in "Red vs Yellow" Volumes 1 & 2 which are available at Asia books and Kinokuniya - the latter so appropriately with a spacious store in Central World. Author is Nick Nostilz - a photo-journalist who was a first-hand witness to the events of the last 5 years.

[webfact]

Red-shirt demands for compensation will be discussed, PM says

By THE NATION

The government will discuss a proposal by red-shirt leaders for compensation to families of 91 people killed during last year's political unrest and rioting, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said yesterday.

"There will be a policy discussion about this. We will talk about the figures, the budget, and the suitability [of this proposal]," she said at Government House.

Red-shirt leader Jaruporn Promphan, now an MP with the ruling Pheu Thai Party, has proposed that Bt10 million in compensation be paid to relatives of each victim.

Some ministers expressed support for the proposal yesterday, although they also called for fair compensation to relatives of victims from all sides - not just red shirts.

Defence Minister General Yuthasak Sasiprapha said that compensation should be paid to relatives of not only the red shirts but also the rival yellow shirts and the soldiers killed during last year's unrest.

"Anything the government does should be for people from the whole country, not just any particular group, to ensure equality, unity, and conciliation in the country," he said.

When asked to comment on the fact that relatives of soldiers killed during border clashes and insurgent attacks got less than Bt10 million in compensation, the defence minister said that was a matter for the authorities involved.

Social Development and Human Security Minister Santi Promphat said compensation should apply to people from different political colours for the sake of equality.

Democrat Party MP Atthaporn Ponlaboot said that Jatuporn should ask fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra to pay the compensation as it was he who ordered the red shirts to hold last year's anti-government rally.

The opposition MP blamed Thaksin for the loss of lives in last year's turmoil that began with a street rally and ended with riots in central Bangkok.

Ninety-one people were killed during 10 weeks of turmoil and about 2,000 others injured.

Atthaporn said yesterday he had never heard Thaksin express any responsibility for the people killed pursuing his political goals.

"Thaksin has billions of baht, so I ask Jatuporn to seek humanitarian aid from Thaksin. He should also ask for compensation for relatives of those killed during the Tak Bai and Krue Se incidents," the MP said, referring to notorious incidents in the deep South that resulted in well over 100 deaths when Thaksin was prime minister.

Meanwhile, a red-shirt leader in the Northeast expressed his support yesterday for a reported plan by Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit to seek dissolution of "red shirt villages" in the North and Northeast.

Kwanchai Praipana, who heads the red shirts' Khon Rak Udon group, said that he had suggested even before the July 3 general election that the red shirts in many parts of the country should be dissolved. He said many people were profiting from donations collected from red shirts to set up the villages.

He said his idea was to set up a red shirt network in all 20 provinces in the Northeast, based on the success of the "Udon Thani model".

However, Yongyuth said yesterday that as long as red-shirt villages respect the law and don't act against democratic principles, there was no problem with them.

In a related development, Udon Thani Provincial Court yesterday said it would read an order late this morning on whether to release red-shirt leaders detained at the local prison in connection with last year's riots and burning of the provincial hall.

Earlier in the day, lawyers for red shirts and Pheu Thai MPs sought bail for members still in jail. Some 500 red shirts also gathered at the court to offer moral support.

Suwana Suwanjutha, head of the Rights and Liberties Protection Department, said the detained red shirts had previously rejected an agency offer for legal help but they later changed their minds. She said the department would also seek temporary release for them.

-- The Nation 2011-08-16

[Buchholz]

Not only do the Red Shirts consist partially of Thaskin opponents

... that's funny.

Please source any such so-called opposition to Thaksin.

The first recorded anti-coup demonstration was staged by Chulalongkorn University Professor Giles Ungpakorn - a opponent of Thaskin. Then the 19 September group was formed - as mentioned mostly Thaskin opponents.

This is not unusual. The PAD yellow shirts consisted of groups of individuals which were violent enemies earlier.

As for sources, there are many, but I find that an excellent contemporary source for the recent conflicts can be found in "Red vs Yellow" Volumes 1 & 2 which are available at Asia books and Kinokuniya - the latter so appropriately with a spacious store in Central World. Author is Nick Nostilz - a photo-journalist who was a first-hand witness to the events of the last 5 years.

Giles fled Thailand quite a long time ago and criticized Thaksin even further back. His contingent or followers in the Red Shirts is miniscule.

There is no active opposition to Thaksin amongst the current Red Shirts and hasn't been for, literally, years.

.

[Ricardo]

Not only do the Red Shirts consist partially of Thaskin opponents

... that's funny.

Please source any such so-called opposition to Thaksin.

Khun Thida, acting-leader of the UDD, has said she doesn't support Thaksin fanatically, which perhaps is why she garnered so little support, and is now subject to attempts by other red-Shirt leaders to side-line her, on the grounds that her husband is now an MP. Yay for Red-Shirt Loyalty & Unanimity !

[tominbkk]

hahaha 555 lol

som nam na X10 !!!!

[geriatrickid]

One day he turned up with shares worth B10,000,000 - and no evidence has been found to prove that it came from Thaksin. IMO it did, and was payment for his mercenary activities.

You don't like that, I couldn't care less.

It is not a question of my liking something or not. You made a claim that you now admit is your own opinion. You presented your opinion as a fact. That is not being truthful and is misleading. When you made your unsubstantiated statement, you should have stated that it was your opinion..

When "Bucholz" provide you with the "facts" did you even know what the company was? I don't think so.

Some people have legitimate disagreements with the policies of the former PM. I can understand and respect that. However, when the discourse degrades to unsubstantiated allegations and malicious libelous statements all it does is further reinfoce the perception of what one can term a pathological obsession with Mr. Thaksin.

Edited August 16, 2011 by geriatrickid

[hammered]

Not only do the Red Shirts consist partially of Thaskin opponents

... that's funny.

Please source any such so-called opposition to Thaksin.

The first recorded anti-coup demonstration was staged by Chulalongkorn University Professor Giles Ungpakorn - a opponent of Thaskin. Then the 19 September group was formed - as mentioned mostly Thaskin opponents.

This is not unusual. The PAD yellow shirts consisted of groups of individuals which were violent enemies earlier.

As for sources, there are many, but I find that an excellent contemporary source for the recent conflicts can be found in "Red vs Yellow" Volumes 1 & 2 which are available at Asia books and Kinokuniya - the latter so appropriately with a spacious store in Central World. Author is Nick Nostilz - a photo-journalist who was a first-hand witness to the events of the last 5 years.

Giles fled Thailand quite a long time ago and criticized Thaksin even further back. His contingent or followers in the Red Shirts is miniscule.

There is no active opposition to Thaksin amongst the current Red Shirts and hasn't been for, literally, years.

.

Opposition to Thaksin within the red shirt movement will only grow in general when the current power struggle is resolved. In the meantime it is an alliance of Thaksin supporters and a variety of other groups including human rights activists, leftists, liberals etc who do not neccassarily like Thaksin but have an alliance of convenience against a common enemy and to some extent in an attempt to coattail a populaist and then usurp his oragnisation for even greater change. Right now the intra-establishment power struggle needs to be resolved before we see movement.

[Emptyset]

The first recorded anti-coup demonstration was staged by Chulalongkorn University Professor Giles Ungpakorn - a opponent of Thaskin. Then the 19 September group was formed - as mentioned mostly Thaskin opponents.

This is not unusual. The PAD yellow shirts consisted of groups of individuals which were violent enemies earlier.

As for sources, there are many, but I find that an excellent contemporary source for the recent conflicts can be found in "Red vs Yellow" Volumes 1 & 2 which are available at Asia books and Kinokuniya - the latter so appropriately with a spacious store in Central World. Author is Nick Nostilz - a photo-journalist who was a first-hand witness to the events of the last 5 years.

Giles fled Thailand quite a long time ago and criticized Thaksin even further back. His contingent or followers in the Red Shirts is miniscule.

There is no active opposition to Thaksin amongst the current Red Shirts and hasn't been for, literally, years.

.

Opposition to Thaksin within the red shirt movement will only grow in general when the current power struggle is resolved. In the meantime it is an alliance of Thaksin supporters and a variety of other groups including human rights activists, leftists, liberals etc who do not neccassarily like Thaksin but have an alliance of convenience against a common enemy and to some extent in an attempt to coattail a populaist and then usurp his oragnisation for even greater change. Right now the intra-establishment power struggle needs to be resolved before we see movement.

Yep, that's what I've always thought. It'll certainly be easier for people to work out who they're for and against once Thailand is fully over the 'feudal' stage and has a stable bourgeois democracy. A lot of red shirts only back Thaksin in opposition to the other side, they don't believe in him in of himself. People like the now jailed Somyot (who wrote pieces such as 'Under The Evil Rule' when Thaksin was PM) savaged Thaksin at the time, but it was obviously necessary to temporarily join forces with his allies* to combat the rising tide of reactionary anti-democratic elitism and militarism.

Seems there's already growing disenchantment with the govt amongst liberal red shirts as the govt seems to be willing to cut every deal necessary with the royalist elites and military in order to ensure Thaksin's smooth return (i.e. no elite backed PAD protests etc). The government's stance is hardly surprising but at least a segment of the red shirts has high expectations of this government and expects a lot more from them, so the red shirt coalition may break up quicker than expected... we shall see!

*which of course amounts to supporting him, in the short term, since his interests coincide with the restoration of parliamentry democracy

[hyperdimension]

Opposition to Thaksin within the red shirt movement will only grow in general when the current power struggle is resolved.

What do you mean by "resolved"? I don't think there is any such thing when it comes to power over a nation as there will always be opponents to whatever government is in power at any time, unless the government in power is an oppressive dictatorship that crushes all dissent.

It is completely acceptable in a democracy to have different groups vying for power as long as everything is done in a lawfully abiding and ethical way. The problem with the red shirts, Pheu Thai and Thaksin is that they play dirty with little respect for the law (except when it benefits them).

Edited August 16, 2011 by hyperdimension

[Buchholz]

The 1992 Black May Heroes Relatives Committee is today calling on the government to include them in any compensation scheme for last year's violence.

The Chairman of that organization has submitted a letter to Yingluck yesterday.

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[Jingthing]

Here's a more productive idea for all of Thailand. Take the money they are asking for and instead create a scholarship fund for high achieving deserving poor students who can't afford to attend college. Is their movement about improving Thailand or revenge and enrichment, as if we had to ask?

[Buchholz]

If they "wasted" money on education, it would be a double-whammy for the government as people getting smarter about things is not in their best interest.

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[ginjag]

Opposition to Thaksin within the red shirt movement will only grow in general when the current power struggle is resolved.

What do you mean by "resolved"? I don't think there is any such thing when it comes to power over a nation as there will always be opponents to whatever government is in power at any time, unless the government in power is an oppressive dictatorship that crushes all dissent.

It is completely acceptable in a democracy to have different groups vying for power as long as everything is done in a lawfully abiding and ethical way. The problem with the red shirts, Pheu Thai and Thaksin is that they play dirty with little respect for the law (except when it benefits them).

I would suggest Jatuporn and his cronies pay the money out of their own pockets, they were responsible for the mayhem they engineered and crated the super peaceful demonstration. Cheeky git's