Red-Shirt Leader Arisman Prepared To Surrender: Korkaew

[TAWP]

I suggest the red villages are in areas where the authorities tried to clamp down on reds, which is a different opinion from they are in areas controlled by godfathers. Pure and simple.

Pure and simple, I humbly suggest that your assertion is completely wrong.

These villages are not established to counter the former governments 'clampdown', they were established to guarantee the party backer didn't lose his 'base' by establishing absolute, 100% declared, cells that continiously indoctrinate and proclaim their allegiance to his cause - to climb to absolute power.

Make no mistake, the declaration of the villages is about controlling the population in them. Nothing else.

Edited September 21, 2011 by TAWP

[somo]

This guy ran away because the last government tried to kill him. They were not looking for justice just his death by any means available to them. They screwed it up with the whole world watching.

Now his movement has political control it seems reasonable that he should think about returning to what is hopefully a safer situation.

[rubl]

This guy ran away because the last government tried to kill him. They were not looking for justice just his death by any means available to them. They screwed it up with the whole world watching.

Now his movement has political control it seems reasonable that he should think about returning to what is hopefully a safer situation.

This guy (k. Arisman) run away because he feared to be apprehended like his fellow UDD leaders. He knew from his previous apprehensions and bails that he'd be less likely to get another one. The last government screwed up in the sense they failed to catch him, but then, some police sympathizers might have helped. The world (assuming they looked) saw k. Arisman rappel down a hotel side, the real escape weeks later on the 19th of May 2010 the world and neither of us, saw.

If the PM Abhisit government had wanted to kill him, he'd be dead by now, like the late renegade general Seh Daeng.

K. Arisman has been one of the more extreme and violent UDD leaders. He's the notorious 'bring-your-bottles and burn-it' figure in PTV clips. It seems doubtful he'll come back any time soon. When 'hell freezes over' maybe

Edited September 21, 2011 by rubl

[phiphidon]

This guy (k. Arisman) run away because he feared to be apprehended like his fellow UDD leaders. He knew from his previous apprehensions and bails that he'd be less likely to get another one. The last government screwed up in the sense they failed to catch him, but then, some police sympathizers might have helped. The world (assuming they looked) saw k. Arisman rappel down a hotel side, the real escape weeks later on the 19th of May 2010 the world and neither of us, saw.

If the PM Abhisit government had wanted to kill him, he'd be dead by now, like the late renegade general Seh Daeng.

K. Arisman has been one of the more extreme and violent UDD leaders. He's the notorious 'bring-your-bottles and burn-it' figure in PTV clips. It seems doubtful he'll come back any time soon. When 'hell freezes over' maybe.

If the PM Abhisit government had wanted to kill him, he'd be dead by now, like the late renegade general Seh Daeng.

Did you really mean that Rubl? Are you aware that sentence implicates Abhisits government in the death of Seh Daeng. There is no way of reading it as other than that.

FWIW I think you're wrong, possibly comrades of the late Colonel Romklao, but then again you could be right seeing as Abhisit was ostensibly in charge of the security forces he unleashed.

[Siam Simon]

Purely for the entertainment value to all, when he arrives back at the airport, he should be lowered down over the side of one of the walkways to reenact his greatest achievement.

Just as a legal aside, weren't those photos taken by a journalist? Does posting them from a photobucket account circumvent copyright/fair usage law? Anyone know?

[Buchholz]

I read a number of reports by foreign journalists actually who went to the villages actually and talked to people. I wont provide links

I would think it was obvious why the villages would form in areas where the authorities were active in trying to suppress reds

Authorities would be people under the control of the government or some would say those who totally controlled the previous regime

I think you will find most godfather wouldnt actually want too many red villages around as organised groups are can be or may become a threat to local oppressors too, and reds and their villages have a habit of networking outside of local area. This all undercuts the local godfathers although it does tend to mean they will think twice about abandoning say Thaksin/PTP/reds for the lure of promised far greater wealth and does tend because of that to inhibit the best laid traditional power building schemes of the likes of Newin and Suthep. The power realtionship between godfather-local poor is a changing one these days

You have failed to answer the question, instead putting forth several straw men in order to avoid the issue.

How many red villages are there in Buriram? If indeed this a popular, grassroots movement against the “elite” wouldn’t that be the most likely place for a “Red village” setup to protect itself from the authorities?

Instead, you have only “red villages” in areas that are thoroughly under the control and operate with the full cooperation of the local godfather family that controls both the economics and the politics of the district.

Your statement is an outright lie told time and again in order to make it seem the “red villages” are something other than Potemkin villages used as propaganda tools and you are just like the foreign ambassadors that were with the Empress and were suitably impressed.

TH

A red village just means the villagers have put a red flag outside their house, either willingly or through coercion from the village head. There's not a hotbed of revolution there, waiting to disengage from the Thai state, rather the locals are waiting for remits from their children and husbands to convert their farms to rubber plantations.

Wonder if, unlike Thaksin's first effort, the rubber trees will actually live.

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[moe666]

Purely for the entertainment value to all, when he arrives back at the airport, he should be lowered down over the side of one of the walkways to reenact his greatest achievement.

If he where still alive we could get Steve Mcqueen to play him in the Great Thai Red Shirt Escape

[KRS1]

This guy ran away because the last government tried to kill him. They were not looking for justice just his death by any means available to them. They screwed it up with the whole world watching.

Now his movement has political control it seems reasonable that he should think about returning to what is hopefully a safer situation.

Another misinformed person making a blind comment, he gave speeches encouraging red shirts to make bombs with red bull bottles and to set the city on fire.

[Buchholz]

This guy ran away because the last government tried to kill him. They were not looking for justice just his death by any means available to them. They screwed it up with the whole world watching.

Now his movement has political control it seems reasonable that he should think about returning to what is hopefully a safer situation.

Another misinformed person making a blind comment, he gave speeches encouraging red shirts to make bombs with red bull bottles and to set the city on fire.

It certainly was a pretty extensive list of targets.

It wasn't just city halls that the protesters were being directed to burn down, there was a long and extensive list of targets.

According to Arisaman in the video, his list of targets for burning are:

Siriraj Hospital,

All Muslim Mosques,

Government House,

Important Ministries,

Airports,

Rajavithi Road,

Bridges,

Bank of Thailand,

Commercial Banks,

Military Barracks,

Court of Justice,

and NGO's

will all be destroyed.

His retort is:

"Not one of these will remain standing."

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btw, there are 3,494 mosques and 56 airports in Thailand.

No info on the number of other targets like bridges and banks, etc.

[tlansford]

...As an interesting aside, the most common reason given for the setting up of the red villages before the election and there were many many of them was because as individuals they were scared of the authorities so they established groups to give them courage. Action-reaction

Which authorities would that be?

Maybe you can explain why there are only so called "red villages" in areas that are under the control of the godfathers that support Thaksin?

TH

I read a number of reports by foreign journalists actually who went to the villages actually and talked to people. I wont provide links

I would think it was obvious why the villages would form in areas where the authorities were active in trying to suppress reds

Authorities would be people under the control of the government or some would say those who totally controlled the previous regime

I think you will find most godfather wouldnt actually want too many red villages around as organised groups are can be or may become a threat to local oppressors too, and reds and their villages have a habit of networking outside of local area. This all undercuts the local godfathers although it does tend to mean they will think twice about abandoning say Thaksin/PTP/reds for the lure of promised far greater wealth and does tend because of that to inhibit the best laid traditional power building schemes of the likes of Newin and Suthep. The power realtionship between godfather-local poor is a changing one these days

I vaguely recall reading about the gov't sending the army into Isaan before the last election under the guise of some excuse, construct aid, training, or something. Am I mistaken on that?

{ Past gov'ts have used that strategy : using the military and monks to influence/indoctrinate the people in Isaan. }

[whybother]

I vaguely recall reading about the gov't sending the army into Isaan before the last election under the guise of some excuse, construct aid, training, or something. Am I mistaken on that?

{ Past gov'ts have used that strategy : using the military and monks to influence/indoctrinate the people in Isaan. }

... into one village in Isaan, I think it was.

[rubl]

I vaguely recall reading about the gov't sending the army into Isaan before the last election under the guise of some excuse, construct aid, training, or something. Am I mistaken on that?

{ Past gov'ts have used that strategy : using the military and monks to influence/indoctrinate the people in Isaan. }

I vaguely remember UDD leaders visited Isaan to help make the local population understand the usefulness of declaring 'red villages' under the guise of unity and "aren't we all for Thaksin anyway'.

[Classical red doctrine using establish powerbroker / village headman / serfs command structure]

[webfact]

Arisaman fears of being murdered inside jail

Red-shirt fugitive Arisaman Pongruangrong was reluctant to surrender to police because he feared of being murdered inside the prison, Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said Thursday.

Kokaew said he and Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan met Arisman by chance in Cambodia during a party last weekend.

Kokaew said Jatuporn urged Arisaman to surrender to fight the terrorism charge and Jatuporn would ensure that Arisaman would be released on bail.

However, Arisaman replied that he feared that he would be killed in a prison. Kokaew quoted Arisaman as saying that he was the next target after Maj Gen Khattiaya Sawasdiphol, who has been killed.

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

-- The Nation 2011-09-22

[rubl]

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

Speechless, I'm speechless at the audacity of Pheu Thai party list UDD MP Kokaew. This sad excuse for an MP also suggested today in parliament to reclassify last years terrorist activities by the UDD as 'riots only' because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. What's next, declare grenade lobbing a Thai cultural passtime?

[Buchholz]

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

Speechless, I'm speechless at the audacity of Pheu Thai party list UDD MP Kokaew. This sad excuse for an MP also suggested today in parliament to reclassify last years terrorist activities by the UDD as 'riots only' because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. What's next, declare grenade lobbing a Thai cultural passtime?

I particularly like how the Red Shirt MP speaks for the courts even before the fugitive returns...

he will be released on bail

[Insight]

Kokaew said he and Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan met Arisman by chance in Cambodia during a party last weekend.

I thought Kokaew was one of the few red shirt leaders with a few braincells. That's just gone out the window if he's seriously trying to sell the "by chance" BS above.

[webfact]

UPDATE

Arisaman fears of being murdered inside jail

By The Nation

Red-shirt fugitive Arisaman Pongruangrong was reluctant to surrender to police because he feared of being murdered inside the prison, Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said Thursday.

Kokaew said he and Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan met Arisman by chance in Cambodia during a party last weekend.

Kokaew said Jatuporn urged Arisaman to surrender to fight the terrorism charge and Jatuporn would ensure that Arisaman would be released on bail.

However, Arisaman replied that he feared that he would be killed in a prison. Kokaew quoted Arisaman as saying that he was the next target after Maj Gen Khattiaya Sawasdiphol, who has been killed.

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

Arisaman has fled out of the country after troops were deployed to crush the red-shirt protesters at the Rajprasong Intersection on May 19 last year.

Kokaew said he and Jatuporn did not ask Arisaman where he has been hiding for fear that it would be not safe for the red-shirt leader.

Kokaew and Jatuporn were attending a social function held to receive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra who visited Cambodia to make a speech on the economy.

-- The Nation 2011-09-22

[rubl]

Kokaew said he and Jatuporn did not ask Arisaman where he has been hiding for fear that it would be not safe for the red-shirt leader.

This has to be explained to me. It would not be safe for k. Kokaew or k. Jatuporn? Or is there a suggestion here that this violent fugitive is still a UDD leader? In the last case would the two Pheu Thai UDD MPs endanger their mate by blabbering about what they had heard? Or are they still sore about the renegade general Seh Daeng having said k. Thaksin wanted to replace them with a more militant UDD leader group?

[gl555]

I love the part where they met in Cambodia 'by chance'! Hahaha

Anyway Arisman's a coward. He made the most threats during the troubles but was always the first to run when things got serious. Useless.

[Insight]

Frankly, I think his boss should test the water for him.

[AleG]

I´d be intereste to know how Arisaman supports himself while living in Cambodia; does he have a job? is he under a work permit visa or what? I mean, he probably entered Cambodia illegally, no?

Edited September 22, 2011 by AleG

[rubl]

I´d be intereste to know how Arisaman supports himself while living in Cambodia; does he have a job? is he under a work permit visa or what? I mean, he probably entered Cambodia illegally, no?

Part of the fun, illegal passport to get a legal visa to enter Cambodia.

[rubl]

AS for k. Arisman's fear of assassination, he has said to fear more for his family. That includes his wife (now somehow a Pheu Thai party list MP) and son, both of them having been all alone for more than a year in a house full of people.

"Q:Do you have any concrete evidence that the DSI are trying to assassinate you?

A: There is no solid evidence but my lawyer recognised members of the DSI at the hotel where I was staying overseas."

http://asiancorrespondent.com/43490/interview-with-thailands-most-wanted-arisman-pongruangrong/

[Buchholz]

Kokaew and Jatuporn were attending a social function held to receive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra

The Fugitive's Ball

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[Buchholz]

Kokaew said he and Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan met Arisman by chance in Cambodia during a party last weekend.

I thought Kokaew was one of the few red shirt leaders with a few braincells. That's just gone out the window if he's seriously trying to sell the "by chance" BS above.

well, this will help his credibility as we've now gone from the OP's

Red-Shirt Leader Arisman Prepared To Surrender: Korkaew

to

Arisman refuses to turn himself in

BANGKOK, 22 September 2011 (NNT) - The chance of seeing fugitive Red Shirt core member Arisman Pongruangrong return to the country to face charges could be close to nil as Pheu Thai MP and Red Shirt core member Korkaew Pikulthong revealed that his fellow still feared for his life.

Korkaew said despite Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan’ s vow to bail Arisman out and ensure safety, the fugitive Red Shirt member was still reluctant.

Korkaew cited Arisman’s claim that he once received a death threat even when he had turned himself in.

Korkaew, however refused to disclose Arisman’s whereabouts for security reasons.

Pheu Thai MP's including Korkaew have planned to visit Cambodia during Spetember 23-25 to join a friendship football match which will be presided over by PM Hun Sen and former PM Somchai Wongsawat. Korkaew said about 10,000 Red Shirt members are expected to witness the event.

-- NNT 2011-09-22

[rubl]

From various theNation items here:

Kokaew said he and Jatuporn did not ask Arisaman where he has been hiding for fear that it would be not safe for the red-shirt leader.

Korkaew, however refused to disclose Arisman’s whereabouts for security reasons.

Does this mean UDD MP Kokaew didn't ask for fugitive Arisman's location since he already knew ? Probably since they met :blink:

[ToffeEFCpower]

When are the red shirts (UDD) going to kick out this government and rule the country themselves?

[Siam Simon]

I´d be intereste to know how Arisaman supports himself while living in Cambodia; does he have a job? is he under a work permit visa or what? I mean, he probably entered Cambodia illegally, no?

Didn't he make a lot of money from being a popular singer a few years ago?

[Siam Simon]

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

Speechless, I'm speechless at the audacity of Pheu Thai party list UDD MP Kokaew. This sad excuse for an MP also suggested today in parliament to reclassify last years terrorist activities by the UDD as 'riots only' because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. What's next, declare grenade lobbing a Thai cultural passtime?

Daft Political Post Of The Week winner, hands down . Take a chill pill, uncle, or rant.

[Buchholz]

I´d be intereste to know how Arisaman supports himself while living in Cambodia; does he have a job? is he under a work permit visa or what? I mean, he probably entered Cambodia illegally, no?

Didn't he make a lot of money from being a popular singer a few years ago?

He was popular many years, beyond "a few", ago... but in Thailand, not Cambodia.

We can rest assured, , that none of the other Red Shirt Leaders and PTP MP's, including his wife, have done anything to assist in getting those dwindling funds still remaining out of the country to him in Cambodia nor supported him with any of their own funding, because to do that would mean aiding and abetting a criminal fugitive.

And the Red Shirts = PTP would never do anything to contravene the law.

as for entering Cambodia illegally, another Red Shirt Leader, Sae Daeng, was very public about entering Cambodia illegally. For his crime, he was rewarded with a personal meeting with Hun Sen (and Thaksin).

Seh Daeng 'sneaked' into Cambodia to see Thaksin

Published on November 17, 2009

Major-General Khattiya Sawatdiphol yesterday admitted he had sneaked into Cambodia to meet ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and Cambodian premier Hun Sen last week.

The politically active Army specialist better known as Seh Daeng said he managed to slip past immigration at the checkpoint by using his connections with Cambodian troops along the border.

"I was a warrior in Prachin Buri and know Cambodian soldiers very well. I was a trainer for many Cambodian military commanders," he said.

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Edited September 22, 2011 by Buchholz