Thieves Steal From The Death !

[sawassdeeCEI]

Is it wrong to steal from the death ?

Most people respond by " YES, stealing is always wrong, but why? "

If the death person no longer excists, they are not suffering from the loss of property nor would the benefit in any way from having it!!

It called honsesty, and keeping yourself in check. Yes,

if you found a ring with no owner in sight and no possible way to contact them, then it's now yours. But, and First of all, something

of the value on a dead person would naturally belong to the family of the person if any one not to you. So if you think ,

you aren't stealing from the dead you would stealing from the family.

Almost 3 months ago, One farrang died and all of his stuffs were taken by his closed friend ( he said ) and other friends without telling

the dead sister , while she's waiting for his contact and help, alls were gone.

That's why at the first he arrived here, he asked for the the locker's key and etc. why he kept writing to the dead's sister to give him

power of attorney.

" I told him that I can't give him power of attorney, needless to say, I am very sad at the moment and I worried about the

situation regarding (the dead name) 's thing, this isn't fair. "

" I have also told ( closed friend of the dead ) that the momey from sale of goods, must be put aside and would see that

there was once the big things have been sold. I will decide how the money is distributed once "

" pick up, industrial baking equipment and the contents of the bar will be sild. "

" I need to rise funds to pay for ........ hospital bills and his cremation. Is it possible to put his pick up into a garage/sales room

where it can be sold "

I'm so sorry and feel very bad and sad seeing these people steal from you , the daed and sister. everytime looking the photos of the full stuff

that he took, put into his car made me feel sick !!

Anyway, RIP for A.......

and maybe for you all guys , you steal from your friend and his sister, you don't even help for the funeral also, you don't pay any respect for

the cremation and almost ruin.

What you do is what you , I wish to.

[kartman]

Did you raid the contents of the Bar? ,the deceased talking from the other side?, a dead sister ? are you annoyed because you didn't get there first?.

[sawassdeeCEI]

Did you raid the contents of the Bar? ,the deceased talking from the other side?, a dead sister ? are you annoyed because you didn't get there first?.

Nope !! I don't want anything just want to help the dead sister with sincere. And I did !!

[Spoonman]

SawassdeeCEI, is English not your native tongue ?

[brianmarinus]

SawassdeeCEI, is English not your native tongue ?

Think it is overtly to enybody,that it isn't!

[Garry]

Just sounds like someone trying to help out. Hope it all gets resolved. The vultures always circle (albeit philosophically in this case). no matter what country one is in.

[sawassdeeCEI]

" I told him that I can't give him power of attorney, needless to say, I am very sad at the moment and I worried about the situation regarding (the dead name) 's thing, this isn't fair. "

" I have also told ( closed friend of the dead ) that the momey from sale of goods, must be put aside and would see that there was once the big things have been sold. I will decide how the money is distributed once "" pick up, industrial baking equipment and the contents of the bar will be sild. "

" I need to rise funds to pay for ........ hospital bills and his cremation. Is it possible to put his pick up into a garage/sales roomwhere it can be sold "

these are what the dead sister said

And she had contact with the dead friend , when he took all the stuffs out , he hasn't even tell or e-mail the dead sister. He and his friends knew that we have to help the dead sister sale the stuff for helping her the hospital bills and cremation bill.

Edited October 1, 2011 by sawassdeeCEI

[scorpio1945]

No direspect, but it is very hard to understand.:jap:

[harrry]

Someone will have to have power of attorney to pay for his funeral..The embassy usually contacts his relatives to find someone responsible. If

they can't locate anyone willing they will act and sell the goods and allow him to be cremated or buried. Until then he remains unburied,

[sunholidaysun1]

I know the foreigners involved in this and one of them told me that he had spoken to the sister, she wouldnt give power of attorney, but either way these foreigners involved cleaned out his home/bar/bakery of its contents , taking everything that was in there. One other foreigner decided to help himself with some of the stuff in Alans house and was ordered to return it to one of the main foreigners emptying the house. That said foreigner did return the goods he took or at least some of it. The pick-up truck was put into another foreigners drive way, I am not sure if it is still there and as I dont live in town I have asked a friend to go and look if the truck is still in the house it was put. If the truck is there , he will take photographs of the truck, the number plate and the address of the house, which I also know.

My advice is to contact 1155 Tourist police , explain the story and get this allegation confirmed then the p olice can take the steps needed to bring them to justice or end the story.

If it is true that they have stolen from Alan(deceased)then I hope the book is thrown at them

[sunholidaysun1]

I know the foreigners involved in this and one of them told me that he had spoken to the sister, she wouldnt give power of attorney, but either way these foreigners involved cleaned out his home/bar/bakery of its contents , taking everything that was in there. One other foreigner decided to help himself with some of the stuff in Alans house and was ordered to return it to one of the main foreigners emptying the house. That said foreigner did return the goods he took or at least some of it. The pick-up truck was put into another foreigners drive way, I am not sure if it is still there and as I dont live in town I have asked a friend to go and look if the truck is still in the house it was put. If the truck is there , he will take photographs of the truck, the number plate and the address of the house, which I also know.

My advice is to contact 1155 Tourist police , explain the story and get this allegation confirmed then the p olice can take the steps needed to bring them to justice or end the story.

If it is true that they have stolen from Alan(deceased)then I hope the book is thrown at them

My friend has confirmed Alans Pick-up is still in the drive way of one of the foreigners. My friend has taken photos and now I do suggest you go to the police. If you want any information I have please contact me privately and I will give you the names and addresses needed.

[harrry]

To the sister. Have you contacted the embassy. It is not clear what country but if you tell that that a deceased countryman's possessions are being taken they will have to respond.

Part of their duties is looking after the estates of deceased until Next of Kin can be found. The do however charge highly for these services but someone has to do it. People must have authorisation to act they cannot act on their own.

[harrry]

I know the foreigners involved in this and one of them told me that he had spoken to the sister, she wouldnt give power of attorney, but either way these foreigners involved cleaned out his home/bar/bakery of its contents , taking everything that was in there. One other foreigner decided to help himself with some of the stuff in Alans house and was ordered to return it to one of the main foreigners emptying the house. That said foreigner did return the goods he took or at least some of it. The pick-up truck was put into another foreigners drive way, I am not sure if it is still there and as I dont live in town I have asked a friend to go and look if the truck is still in the house it was put. If the truck is there , he will take photographs of the truck, the number plate and the address of the house, which I also know.

My advice is to contact 1155 Tourist police , explain the story and get this allegation confirmed then the p olice can take the steps needed to bring them to justice or end the story.

If it is true that they have stolen from Alan(deceased)then I hope the book is thrown at them

My friend has confirmed Alans Pick-up is still in the drive way of one of the foreigners. My friend has taken photos and now I do suggest you go to the police. If you want any information I have please contact me privately and I will give you the names and addresses needed.

It may be that the one farang is acting on behalf of the embassy to safeguard the property. It seems so if the other person was forced to give the property to him.

At some stage the Next of Kin must take responsibility and either come in person or give the power to someone.

[sawassdeeCEI]

I know the foreigners involved in this and one of them told me that he had spoken to the sister, she wouldnt give power of attorney, but either way these foreigners involved cleaned out his home/bar/bakery of its contents , taking everything that was in there. One other foreigner decided to help himself with some of the stuff in Alans house and was ordered to return it to one of the main foreigners emptying the house. That said foreigner did return the goods he took or at least some of it. The pick-up truck was put into another foreigners drive way, I am not sure if it is still there and as I dont live in town I have asked a friend to go and look if the truck is still in the house it was put. If the truck is there , he will take photographs of the truck, the number plate and the address of the house, which I also know.

My advice is to contact 1155 Tourist police , explain the story and get this allegation confirmed then the p olice can take the steps needed to bring them to justice or end the story.

If it is true that they have stolen from Alan(deceased)then I hope the book is thrown at them

My friend has confirmed Alans Pick-up is still in the drive way of one of the foreigners. My friend has taken photos and now I do suggest you go to the police. If you want any information I have please contact me privately and I will give you the names and addresses needed.

Yes they are now trying to sale the pick up but looking for the greenbook. If they sale the pick up , the person who buy won't steal from the death but steal from........... the greenbook is with this person and A..... put in these person name.

[sunholidaysun1]

There are 2 sides to every story. You need to speak with the Police to get this resolved.

[Big Gary]

There are 2 sides to every story. You need to speak with the Police to get this resolved.

My best friend died a few years ago in Chiangrai. He had a couple of small heart attacks prior to his death. After the first one he wrote out a Will and left it with me. Apon his death I notified everyone he mentioned in the will. For my duties he left me his pickup and any of his possesions not mentioned in the Will. He had a live in housemaid and he left her the new house only(in her name anyway). When we went to get the Car and other items the housemaid already had all her familly in the house and partying big time. I produced the Will and they laughed and told us to leave the property.

Cut a long story short I had to get the Tourist and Reginal Police to go to the house with an order to release the items. I could have stripped the house of all contents (brand new expensive furniture)but didnt as that was not what my dead mate would have wanted. I took the pickup and a few of his personel items and left.

They all said that after he died everything was the housemaids but thank god he made out a will.

The Will was legal I so advise everyone here with a wife or girlfriend, make a will.

Also I didnt transfer the pickup to my name before his visa ran out and it is still in his name as there is no way it can be transfered forever. I have tried all avenues to no avail.

Thats my 2 cents worth.

[sunholidaysun1]

Has anyone got any more information on this subject ?

[sunholidaysun1]

I was asked a week or so ago to assist a Thai lady in Chiang Rai who is in contact with the sister of the deceased (Alan)in England , to sort out the problems with Alans estate. Those involved in this saga know who they are and can correct me if errors are made to the content.

Basically , Alan became ill, went to hospital for treatment and discharged himself. On the 2nd hospital visit he wasnt so lucky and didnt leave the place, he died in hospital.

One of Alans friends was helping him with his needs while in hospital and when

Alan died , this friend contacted the sister of the deceased in England to inform her of Alans death.

Everything that I have been told from both Alans friend and from the Thai lady working on behalf of Alans sister is only hearsay and anything stated here is only aledged.

From the point of Alans death , his friend was asked to sell anything of value in Alans estate to pay for Alans hospital bills and funeral expenses. Sadly no money was raised as not one person offered to buy anything in Alans Bakery ( Freezers,microwaves,steel tables,industrial ovens etc )or to buy any of the contents from his home/bar.

The other issue is very few people knew that Alan had passed away or even that Alans belongings were for sale to raise the money needed to pay his bills ,post death. Items included : bar table and chairs , fridge , tv's, all of his household goods or any of his personal possessions. Everything Alan had was removed and apparently just given away. There wasnt even a box of personal items of Alans sent back to his sister in England.

Having spoken to the friend of Alan who has been the key to this saga, he stated to me that most of the catering equipment was donated to a man called Hans who has a childrens home in Chiang Rai, but no one seems to know where or who this man is ? A bar owner in town introduced this man called Hans to Alans friend and even though he wouldnt make a donation for all the equipment , apparently took all the catering equipment as a donation to his childrens home.

I am pretty sure that any of us with an ounce of goodwill and caring would have at least given something for the goods taken ,if offered to US, to help out with the expenses Alan had for the hospital and funeral.

According the the main foreigner dealing with all of this , he recons alot of the stuff in Alans was taken Alans Ex-girlfriend who had moved out ages ago and long before his death. She had apparently still had a set of keys to Alans abode and ransacked the place after finding out Alan had died. She also took Alans pick-up truck, which was recovered and put into another foreigners driveway for safty until the green registration book had been found , which is still missing.

This foreigner holding on to the pick-up at his house , told the police he was keeping the truck as he was owed money from Alan ? make what you will of that !! The police checked the ownership of the pick-up and it is in Alans name. The police informed the Thai lady working on behalf of Alans sister, that if she has power of attorney,she could take the pick-up, get the truck re-registered and sell it,to which the proceeds of the sale can be sent back to the sister.

The emails sent from the sister in England are not acceptable to the police as they could have been written by anyone.

The saga continues.

I have read the emails from the sister of Alan , sent to the Thai lady who is trying to recover ALL of Alans estate and it would be a good idea for those involved in all of this to come clean and let us know who has had what from Alans estate and where stuff was donated to. At least we can then rule out - theft .

One email from Alans sister stated that she did not want any contact with anyone other than the Thai lady who unofficially (email only) has the power of attorney.

I think all of this could have been handled better rather than some just taking what they could for free without any remorse or feelings for the blind sister of Alan who has had to borrow money to pay Alans hospital bills etc. Anyone with a heart would have made a donation even if small to cover those expences. It is sad that none were given.

Alans wallets and credit cards were also taken. I was told 25,000 bht had been withdrawn on behalf of Alan while he was alive and in hospital,by the forigner friend who was dealing with all of this, this was to cover any expenses

Alan had prior to his death. However, since his death the wallets,credit cards and money from the bank account in Thailand has all dissapeared.

It has been said to me that Alan had enough money in his Thai bank account to cover all of his expenses post his death, yet its all gone.Where is anyones guess as the buck is being passed !!

All I can say to those involved, get together with the police and sort this out, its not fair on Alan or his sister.

If I get anymore information on this I will let you know.

Regards

Sun.