webfact Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Red-shirt Leader to Campaign for Thaksin's Amnesty The leader of the We Love Udon group plans to rally up 200,000 signatures for a petition in support of an amnesty bill for former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, paving the way for him to return home. We Love Udon leader Kwanchai Praiphana says the group will soon launch a campaign to collecdt 200,000 signatures for a petition for a royal amnesty for former premier Thaksin Shinawatra. He's confident residents in the northeastern region are ready to give their support for Thaksin's amnesty. In fact, Kwanchai is confident the 200,000 signatures will be collected in only a few days. The Udon Thani red-shirt leader then cited an earlier attempt to collect signatures to support a royal pardon decree for Thaksin when they were able to collect as many as 400,000 signatures. While many fear that the initiative by the red-shirt camp could lead to more street protests, Kwanchai said red-shirt supporters will take their cue from the Pheu Thai Party. He reiterated that the Pheu Thai Party must deliver on its campaign promise to the people in the Northeast to initiate an amnesty drive to pave the way for the self-exiled premier to return home. Kwanchai believes the key to bring Thaksin home is the amnesty drive for Thaksin after the push for a royal pardon decree had fallen through. Earlier this month, the Pheu Thai-led coalition attracted much of the public's ire when they tried to push for a secret passing of a royal decree draft. The draft was believed to containe clauses that would allow persons convicted of corruption to be granted a royal pardon without having to serve any of the jail term. The justice minister later came out and denied the royal pardon draft had been amended to benefit Thaksin. Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. -- Tan Network 2011-11-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. Yay for Red Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Since PT failed with their attempt, Thaksin has now pressed the red button. Stand by for the usual forum suspects to shift from their position held yesterday (it isn't about Thaksin, the reds are a separate force)to today's position of Thaksin should be allowed back, he has the popular support, he isn't a crook, he's no worse a crook and so on. Roll on Thaksin cheerleader Groundhog Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberkommando Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Why prolong the inevitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The Red Shirts have already submitted an Individual Royal Pardon petition that is being processed, although it's actually moot because it doesn't comply with the legal requirement that it is submitted by the convicted himself or his off-spring. The Yingluck government has already submitted a Collective Royal Pardon that is being processed, although they claim it doesn't include Thaksin. Is Kwanchai suggesting a new Individual Royal Pardon for Thaksin? If so, does it include, in Thaksin's case, one of the only four authorized signatures legally required to request it? Or is Kwanchai suggesting a new Collective Royal Pardon be submitted by Yingluck's government. Based on the OP: He reiterated that the Pheu Thai Party must deliver on its campaign promise to the people in the Northeast to initiate an amnesty drive to pave the way for the self-exiled premier to return home. it would seem he's suggesting the latter, in which case, it could be done in December 2012. If Pheu Thai fails in their promise to the Red Shirts (as they have with numerous other campaign promises), will the Red Shirts riot in the streets to bring down the Pheu Thai government? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. Yay for Red Democracy. I don't understand your comment!? Anti- Thaksin groups are protesting against the amnesty and Kwanchai wants to protest against them... Apart from the fact, that they all act like little children...how is that a special red democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. Yay for Red Democracy. I don't understand your comment!? Anti- Thaksin groups are protesting against the amnesty and Kwanchai wants to protest against them... Apart from the fact, that they all act like little children...how is that a special red democracy? It's a standard red shirt threat which they have carried out a number of times. - During the yellow shirt protests with grenades being lobbed. - During the red shirt protests when others were going to protest at neutral locations, the red shirts threatened to confront them. - During the red shirt protests when the multi-coloured shirts were attacked with grenades. It's the standard "We're allowed to protest, but if anyone else does, we'll attack them". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. Yay for Red Democracy. I don't understand your comment!? Anti- Thaksin groups are protesting against the amnesty and Kwanchai wants to protest against them... Apart from the fact, that they all act like little children...how is that a special red democracy? It's a standard red shirt threat which they have carried out a number of times. - During the yellow shirt protests with grenades being lobbed. - During the red shirt protests when others were going to protest at neutral locations, the red shirts threatened to confront them. - During the red shirt protests when the multi-coloured shirts were attacked with grenades. It's the standard "We're allowed to protest, but if anyone else does, we'll attack them". Correct me, if I am wrong please, but ...I can not read "attack" anywhere... Demonstration- Counter- demonstration! I am not saying, that it may not end in a clash, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It's not about Thaksin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Why prolong the inevitable? What, the return or throwing him out a second time (if he's lucky)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Why prolong the inevitable? In other words when a wolf is outside your chicken house, you just open the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It's a standard red shirt threat which they have carried out a number of times. - During the yellow shirt protests with grenades being lobbed. - During the red shirt protests when others were going to protest at neutral locations, the red shirts threatened to confront them. - During the red shirt protests when the multi-coloured shirts were attacked with grenades. It's the standard "We're allowed to protest, but if anyone else does, we'll attack them". Correct me, if I am wrong please, but ...I can not read "attack" anywhere... Demonstration- Counter- demonstration! I am not saying, that it may not end in a clash, but... History shows that it leads to "attack". - During the yellow shirt protests with grenades being lobbed.- During the red shirt protests when others were going to protest at neutral locations, the red shirts threatened to confront them. - During the red shirt protests when the multi-coloured shirts were attacked with grenades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Why prolong the inevitable? What, the return or throwing him out a second time (if he's lucky)? Or maybe the return of red violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmu Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. Yay for Red Democracy. I don't understand your comment!? Anti- Thaksin groups are protesting against the amnesty and Kwanchai wants to protest against them... Apart from the fact, that they all act like little children...how is that a special red democracy? If the Red Shirt camp want to protest the government's position, that is one thing. However, protesting to deny the rights of others to protest isn't democratic. Hence, Red Democracy! Can't really see what's not to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kwanchai has threatened to mobilize hundreds of thousands of red-shirt people in 20 northeastern residents to protest against the multi-colored shirt group and other anti-Thaksin groups if they don't stop their protest against the amnesty campaign. Yay for Red Democracy. I don't understand your comment!? Anti- Thaksin groups are protesting against the amnesty and Kwanchai wants to protest against them... Apart from the fact, that they all act like little children...how is that a special red democracy? If the Red Shirt camp want to protest the government's position, that is one thing. However, protesting to deny the rights of others to protest isn't democratic. Hence, Red Democracy! Can't really see what's not to understand? They say they will protest against that. In other words: protest against protests that are against Thaksins amnesty. It doesn't say, they deny the right to protest against Thaksins amnesty. They will simply hold a counter demonstration. Nothing undemocratic about it, IMO. Yeeeeeeeeeees...it is likely to happen otherwise...but that remains to be seen. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 They say they will protest against that. In other words: protest against protests that are against Thaksins amnesty. It doesn't say, they deny the right to protest against Thaksins amnesty. They will simply hold a counter demonstration. Nothing undemocratic about it, IMO. Yeeeeeeeeeees...it is likely to happen otherwise...but that remains to be seen. Period. Red Shirt history has shown that it does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 In fact, Kwanchai is confident the 200,000 signatures will be collected in only a few days. THB 500 X 200,000...now we know where some of the bribery money that was nicked from Suphoth went... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 A brave man/woman who refuses to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The Red Shirts have already submitted an Individual Royal Pardon petition that is being processed, although it's actually moot because it doesn't comply with the legal requirement that it is submitted by the convicted himself or his off-spring. The Yingluck government has already submitted a Collective Royal Pardon that is being processed, although they claim it doesn't include Thaksin. Is Kwanchai suggesting a new Individual Royal Pardon for Thaksin? If so, does it include, in Thaksin's case, one of the only four authorized signatures legally required to request it? Or is Kwanchai suggesting a new Collective Royal Pardon be submitted by Yingluck's government. Based on the OP: He reiterated that the Pheu Thai Party must deliver on its campaign promise to the people in the Northeast to initiate an amnesty drive to pave the way for the self-exiled premier to return home. it would seem he's suggesting the latter, in which case, it could be done in December 2012. If Pheu Thai fails in their promise to the Red Shirts (as they have with numerous other campaign promises), will the Red Shirts riot in the streets to bring down the Pheu Thai government? . I fail to see the point with these clowns. Let the government pardon Thaksin. Put it in the constitution "Thaksin is not guilty, no matter what he has done, and every court that has sentenced him shall stay in the red reeducation camp for 10 years". They can change the constitution to whatever they want, so why they are dancing around it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exeter Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper. I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper. I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident") I think calling it Laos sounds better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJohnson Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Bring on the next coup. Ho hum. Or perhaps a distraction. The flood hasn't worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) So if I can get (by whatever means) 1/300th of the population to sign a petition, my multiple to myriad crimes should be forgotten and forgiven? : And this is as per Constitution Clause number..................? Edited November 29, 2011 by OzMick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It's a standard red shirt threat which they have carried out a number of times. - During the yellow shirt protests with grenades being lobbed. - During the red shirt protests when others were going to protest at neutral locations, the red shirts threatened to confront them. - During the red shirt protests when the multi-coloured shirts were attacked with grenades. It's the standard "We're allowed to protest, but if anyone else does, we'll attack them". Correct me, if I am wrong please, but ...I can not read "attack" anywhere... Demonstration- Counter- demonstration! I am not saying, that it may not end in a clash, but... History shows that it leads to "attack". - During the yellow shirt protests with grenades being lobbed.- During the red shirt protests when others were going to protest at neutral locations, the red shirts threatened to confront them. - During the red shirt protests when the multi-coloured shirts were attacked with grenades. Kwanchai's history, in particular, has shown it leads to attacks on opposing protesters. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 So if I can get (by whatever means) 1/300th of the population to sign a petition, my multiple to myriad crimes should be forgotten and forgiven? :oAnd this is as per constitution Clause number..................? It's a Royal Pardon they are seeking. The 200,000, or the 3 million earlier, are wholly unnecessary, and besides, don't fit the criteria. The only people in the world that can legally request a Royal Pardon for Thaksin are one of these. The last who has been crying for the past 2 and a half years: Paetongtarn Shinawatra Cries: I Want Dad To Be Home well, Paetongtarn, just sign on the dotted line if you're serious. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Why prolong the inevitable? What, the return or throwing him out a second time (if he's lucky)? Or maybe the return of red violence? No, he means the inevitable civil war that result from Thaksin's return. Personally, I think it is essential we prolong that as long as possible. Some reds here may thirst for blood, but I would rather things stay basically non violent for as long as they can. History makes it quite obvious that the only thing which will mobilize the anti Thaksin forces is the threat of Thaksin himself. Eliminate him, and most people would simply find a way to resolve their differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nong38 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Is Udon Thani Thailands answer to Magaluf? Sounds like it could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 No, he means the inevitable civil war that result from Thaksin's return. Personally, I think it is essential we prolong that as long as possible. Some reds here may thirst for blood, but I would rather things stay basically non violent for as long as they can. History makes it quite obvious that the only thing which will mobilize the anti Thaksin forces is the threat of Thaksin himself. Eliminate him, and most people would simply find a way to resolve their differences. Exactly. Where were the street protests against the current government when they won the election? Where are the grenade and bomb attacks? Where are the fanatics making speeches and mobilising their paid support to occupy and burn Bangkok? There are none. This government has been left to get on with the business of trying to run the country and either succeed or fail according to their own actions. The opposition has limited itself to the parliamentary process in monitoring and censuring the government's moves. What will change this? As seen by the reaction to the attempt to pardon Thaksin, that would do so. The PAD would mobilise, the multicoloured shirts would mobilise, the reds would counter mobilise and back we'd go to blood on the streets. What makes one man so special that he is worth the resulting deaths and economic destruction? Answers anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givenall Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Why prolong the inevitable? Yeah, who cares about the corruption that the Thai People have to put up withand him and his friends get rich on the back of Thailand Democracy. Other hand will be ok for Frang with him in power again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper. I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident") Isn't kwanchai the guy who recently said thaksin had ordered a number of very big pumps from Korea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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