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Bucholz you are of course correct that I quoted the wrong Section but that does not invalidate the point that the Constitution debarred Jutaporn from voting but did not debar him from being a candidate.

What has screwed him is in fact the Organic Act on Political Parties which removes his membership of a political party when he is in pre-trial custody and therefore unable to vote, a piece of legislation that I find rather strange but it is of course the law.

If it had been another more palatable politician arrested and detained for a different type of offence (drunk driving for instance), the same law would have applied and that makes me wonder why it was enacted in the first place

He didn't vote... He lost his right to be a candidate as per # 2 below:

The Constitution stipulates the following:

“Every person shall have a duty to exercise his or her right to vote in an election. The person who fails to vote on an election day without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure shall lose his or her right to vote as prescribed by the law.

The notification of the cause for failure to vote on an election day and the provision of facilities for attendance thereat shall be in accordance with the provision of the law”.

The person who fails to vote without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure will have his or her political rights curtailed until his or her next vote casting in an election as follows:

The National Elections

1. The right to object the results of both the national and local elections

2. The right to be a candidate for any election

3. The right to initiate a bill for the National Assembly’s consideration

4. The right to initiate an ordinance for the local assembly’s consideration

5. The right to petition to the Senate for the resolution of removal of a high ranking person

6. The right to recall a member of the local assembly or a local administrator

http://www.ect.go.th/newweb/en/election/PersonsInvolving.php

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He didn't vote... He lost his right to be a candidate as per # 2 below:

The Constitution stipulates the following:

"Every person shall have a duty to exercise his or her right to vote in an election. The person who fails to vote on an election day without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure shall lose his or her right to vote as prescribed by the law.

The notification of the cause for failure to vote on an election day and the provision of facilities for attendance thereat shall be in accordance with the provision of the law".

The person who fails to vote without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure will have his or her political rights curtailed until his or her next vote casting in an election as follows:

The National Elections

1. The right to object the results of both the national and local elections

2. The right to be a candidate for any election

3. The right to initiate a bill for the National Assembly's consideration

4. The right to initiate an ordinance for the local assembly's consideration

5. The right to petition to the Senate for the resolution of removal of a high ranking person

6. The right to recall a member of the local assembly or a local administrator

http://www.ect.go.th...nsInvolving.php

This might not apply if he notified his "reasonable cause". "Being in detention", IMO, would be "reasonable cause" but it would be big grey area.

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He didn't vote... He lost his right to be a candidate as per # 2 below:

The Constitution stipulates the following:

"Every person shall have a duty to exercise his or her right to vote in an election. The person who fails to vote on an election day without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure shall lose his or her right to vote as prescribed by the law.

The notification of the cause for failure to vote on an election day and the provision of facilities for attendance thereat shall be in accordance with the provision of the law".

The person who fails to vote without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure will have his or her political rights curtailed until his or her next vote casting in an election as follows:

The National Elections

1. The right to object the results of both the national and local elections

2. The right to be a candidate for any election

3. The right to initiate a bill for the National Assembly's consideration

4. The right to initiate an ordinance for the local assembly's consideration

5. The right to petition to the Senate for the resolution of removal of a high ranking person

6. The right to recall a member of the local assembly or a local administrator

http://www.ect.go.th...nsInvolving.php

This might not apply if he notified his "reasonable cause". "Being in detention", IMO, would be "reasonable cause" but it would be big grey area.

It's not reasonable cause according to Section 100(3) which specifically bars anyone under detention by court order from being allowed to vote. This is the situation that Jatuporn was in.

I would imagine there's a whole host of acceptable reasonable causes, eg. hospitalization, but being in prison is not one of them according to that sub-paragraph.

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Jatuporn given 15 days to defend himself in Constitution Court

The Constitution Court Friday gave Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan to defend against allegation that he has lost his MP status.

Jatuporn was accused by the Election Commission of losing his status as a Pheu Thai Party member when he registered as a Pheu Thai candidate so he could not stand in an election.

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Woopsie Kuhn J.

I'd advise NOT going on a tirade at the judges they tend to dislike that immensely.

He smells a conspiracy because he is surrounded by one all day long.

A person can smell his own fear if it's strong enough, might be the case here.

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Woopsie Kuhn J.

I'd advise NOT going on a tirade at the judges they tend to dislike that immensely.

He smells a conspiracy because he is surrounded by one all day long.

A person can smell his own fear if it's strong enough, might be the case here.

He might also fear his master. I am sure Thaksin is not pleased with him.

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I neither know much or care much about this matter but if it is a fact that Jatuporn has earned the disfavour of his criminal master, may we hope that we will forego the unedifying spectacle of a mob of simple deluded people i.e. The Red Rent-a-mob, turning up at the Court to lend 'moral support' because they know that they will not be paid for doing so?

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Election Commission Affirms Jatuporn Remains Active MP Until Court Issues Ruling

Election Commissioner Sodsri Sattayatham reaffirmed that Jatuporn Phromphan is eligible to continue performing his duty as a Member of Parliament until the Constitution Court issues its verdict on the allegation against him.

Election Commissioner in charge of political party and national referendum affairs Sodsri Sattayatham denied having made remarks that Pheu Thai Party list MP Jatuporn Phromphan must stop performing his duty, saying the Constitution Court's interpretation of his status according to Article 91 of the Constitution is different from the case of electoral frauds according Article 239, where the Election Commission has the authority to give red-or yellow-cards to guilty MPs.

She noted that according to Article 91, there is no clause specifying that an MP must stop performing his duty when the Constitution Court accepts a petition, so Jatuporn will remain active as Pheu Thai MP until the Court hands down its decision.

Regarding the petition filed by Tul Sitthisomwong, the coordinator of the Civil Network for Protection of the Nation, asking the Election Commission to seek the Constitution Court's consideration of the dissolution of the Pheu Thai Party, which sponsors Jatuporn as MP, Sodsri said a sub-committee must be set up to review the petition first because it could be politicized.

However, the Election Commission previously endorsed the MP status of Jatuporn and his eligibility to run in an election.

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Do not forget the old adage that Thaksin will always accuse the other side of doing that which he is already doing.

Jatuporn attempting to ape his leader.

He has been a busy boy lately organising (or should that be conspiring?) the so-called red villages for a bit of future action.

The reds should be the only show in town and they should have a free pass. Any opposition to that is labelled a conspiracy and ... then screaming about a coup. The trouble is that he is a loose cannon. Thaksin's gofer.

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In other Pheu Thai Party MP in hot water news today the Election Commission disqualified Pheu Thai Party MP for Nakhon Sawan, Disthat Kamprakorb, because of his failure to comply with residency requirements (5 years residency is required to contest for constituent MP positions).

His case is being referred to the Supreme Court for a final ruling.

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Pheu Thai Party MP disqualified

The Election Commission has disqualified Pheu Thai MP Distad Khumprakob on the grounds for failing to live at least five years in his Nakhon Sawan constituency.

Under the elections law, an electoral candidate must maintain a minimum of five-year residence in a given constituency before qualifying for the race.

EC member Sodsri Satayathum said on Wednesday that Distad, a first-time MP, had his domicile for less than three years before the July 3 elections.

Based on the EC ruling, his name appeared on two house registrations, one in Bangkok and another in Nakhon Sawan.

He also had two identification cards.

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"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

Is this the wrong transliteration of "Kokaew Pikulthong"?

Maybe more aptly Co-cow Pickletongue.

Yes, always that spurious 91 number, sounds worse than the truthful numbers in question. These guys don't know when letting a sleeping dog lye is the best policy. Always whining on about conspiracies against them, yet they are the font of dozens of conspiracies themselves.

Masters of Hypocrisy, on all fronts, on all days.

so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

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Excellent... as always, Siripon. wai.gif

The EC is crucial for maintaining some semblance of balance. Abolishing it would be tantamount to hunting's open season.

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Some semblance of balance, fine but this, from the Election Commission Chairman?

Apichart: Jatuporn should have been disqualified - http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/08/04/national/Apichart-Jatuporn-should-have-been-disqualified-30161893.html

Hmm, Apichart, the same Apichart who was responsible for filing the dissolution charges against the Democrat Party but managed to do so, too late and in the wrong order, thus paving the way for the charges to be dropped. The same Apichart who, on December 17th 2010, was among the minority of EC members who said both cases should be dropped.

Now don't tell me he's politically neutral..................

Given that all of the members of the EC were appointed on September 20, 2006, their neutrality is suspect.

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He also knew the cases were a politically motivated waste of time.

Which of course is absolutely not the case with Jatuporn.

Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that...

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"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

Is this the wrong transliteration of "Kokaew Pikulthong"?

Maybe more aptly Co-cow Pickletongue.

Yes, always that spurious 91 number, sounds worse than the truthful numbers in question. These guys don't know when letting a sleeping dog lye is the best policy. Always whining on about conspiracies against them, yet they are the font of dozens of conspiracies themselves.

Masters of Hypocrisy, on all fronts, on all days.

so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

Time for the list - a reminder of how many died, how old they were and how they died - you actually have to scan through quite a lot of deaths to get to the 2010 list, as the security forces do have previous in this sort of thing;

http://www.robinlea.com/pub/JunyasList-table.html

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He also knew the cases were a politically motivated waste of time.

Which of course is absolutely not the case with Jatuporn.

Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that...

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April 10th, 2011

K. Jatuporn and other UDD leaders were present at a UDD rally around Democracy Monument. It was at this rally that it is alleged k. Jatuporn and others acted/spoke what is not allowed to repeat (here).

2011-04-16

"DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday agency officials would meet with prosecutors tomorrow and on Monday to summon the 18 red shirts for a hearing on formal charges they face.

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest, insult the monarchy and violate the Penal Code."

2011-04-19

"The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) will summon 18 red-shirt leaders today to get them to officially acknowledge the lese majeste charges against them, DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday."

2011-05-11

"The election date in Thailand was announced after a royal decree to dissolve the House of Representatives was endorsed by His Majesty the King on May 9. Preparations are now underway for the next general election, scheduled for Sunday, 3 July 2011."

So although all this happened within a month, it doesn't seem correct to say "Just days after the elections were announced".

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"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

Is this the wrong transliteration of "Kokaew Pikulthong"?

Maybe more aptly Co-cow Pickletongue.

Yes, always that spurious 91 number, sounds worse than the truthful numbers in question. These guys don't know when letting a sleeping dog lye is the best policy. Always whining on about conspiracies against them, yet they are the font of dozens of conspiracies themselves.

Masters of Hypocrisy, on all fronts, on all days.

so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

Time for the list - a reminder of how many died, how old they were and how they died - you actually have to scan through quite a lot of deaths to get to the 2010 list, as the security forces do have previous in this sort of thing;

http://www.robinlea....List-table.html

Thanks for the table.

Sobering.

I do not believe that governments should use lethal force against their own citizens (ie: kill).

This list shows what happens when they do.

There are always other choices.

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He also knew the cases were a politically motivated waste of time.

Which of course is absolutely not the case with Jatuporn.

Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that...

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April 10th, 2011

K. Jatuporn and other UDD leaders were present at a UDD rally around Democracy Monument. It was at this rally that it is alleged k. Jatuporn and others acted/spoke what is not allowed to repeat (here).

2011-04-16

"DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday agency officials would meet with prosecutors tomorrow and on Monday to summon the 18 red shirts for a hearing on formal charges they face.

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest, insult the monarchy and violate the Penal Code."

2011-04-19

"The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) will summon 18 red-shirt leaders today to get them to officially acknowledge the lese majeste charges against them, DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday."

2011-05-11

"The election date in Thailand was announced after a royal decree to dissolve the House of Representatives was endorsed by His Majesty the King on May 9. Preparations are now underway for the next general election, scheduled for Sunday, 3 July 2011."

So although all this happened within a month, it doesn't seem correct to say "Just days after the elections were announced".

You are talking about the official act, which by law defines the time frame in which the elections must occur : 45 - 60 days after the decree.

Abhisit announced in March that he would dissolve the Parliament in May. Was on March 11th, I believe.

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"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office. <(imbedded earlier quote)

Is this the wrong transliteration of "Kokaew Pikulthong"?

Maybe more aptly Co-cow Pickletongue.

Yes, always that spurious 91 number, sounds worse than the truthful numbers in question. These guys don't know when letting a sleeping dog lye is the best policy. Always whining on about conspiracies against them, yet they are the font of dozens of conspiracies themselves.

Masters of Hypocrisy, on all fronts, on all days.

so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

Time for the list - a reminder of how many died, how old they were and how they died - you actually have to scan through quite a lot of deaths to get to the 2010 list, as the security forces do have previous in this sort of thing;

http://www.robinlea....List-table.html

Thanks for the table.

Sobering.

I do not believe that governments should use lethal force against their own citizens (ie: kill).

This list shows what happens when they do.

There are always other choices.

Except there is nothing that says this was any one government responsible.

It is a list of people suspect of being killed in partisan or clan in-fighting.

It shows lots of people in the wrong places, and factional powerplays, and partisan violence,

but only a fraction can be specifically attributed to any government per se.

And considering the time frames this is no one government, but most all covered.

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Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that...

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April 10th, 2011

K. Jatuporn and other UDD leaders were present at a UDD rally around Democracy Monument. It was at this rally that it is alleged k. Jatuporn and others acted/spoke what is not allowed to repeat (here).

2011-04-16

"DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday agency officials would meet with prosecutors tomorrow and on Monday to summon the 18 red shirts for a hearing on formal charges they face.

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest, insult the monarchy and violate the Penal Code."

2011-04-19

"The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) will summon 18 red-shirt leaders today to get them to officially acknowledge the lese majeste charges against them, DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday."

2011-05-11

"The election date in Thailand was announced after a royal decree to dissolve the House of Representatives was endorsed by His Majesty the King on May 9. Preparations are now underway for the next general election, scheduled for Sunday, 3 July 2011."

So although all this happened within a month, it doesn't seem correct to say "Just days after the elections were announced".

You are talking about the official act, which by law defines the time frame in which the elections must occur : 45 - 60 days after the decree.

Abhisit announced in March that he would dissolve the Parliament in May. Was on March 11th, I believe.

As k. Jatuporn made the remarks for which he is charged, only on the 10th of April, it would be somewhat difficult to charge him for that BEFORE then-PM Abhisit announced his intentions to dissolve the House begin of May.

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Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that...

cool.png

April 10th, 2011

K. Jatuporn and other UDD leaders were present at a UDD rally around Democracy Monument. It was at this rally that it is alleged k. Jatuporn and others acted/spoke what is not allowed to repeat (here).

2011-04-16

"DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday agency officials would meet with prosecutors tomorrow and on Monday to summon the 18 red shirts for a hearing on formal charges they face.

The leaders allegedly made speeches at a rally on April 10 that were deemed to incite unrest, insult the monarchy and violate the Penal Code."

2011-04-19

"The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) will summon 18 red-shirt leaders today to get them to officially acknowledge the lese majeste charges against them, DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said yesterday."

2011-05-11

"The election date in Thailand was announced after a royal decree to dissolve the House of Representatives was endorsed by His Majesty the King on May 9. Preparations are now underway for the next general election, scheduled for Sunday, 3 July 2011."

So although all this happened within a month, it doesn't seem correct to say "Just days after the elections were announced".

You are talking about the official act, which by law defines the time frame in which the elections must occur : 45 - 60 days after the decree.

Abhisit announced in March that he would dissolve the Parliament in May. Was on March 11th, I believe.

As k. Jatuporn made the remarks for which he is charged, only on the 10th of April, it would be somewhat difficult to charge him for that BEFORE then-PM Abhisit announced his intentions to dissolve the House begin of May.

Rubl, ... what ?

Abhisit announces in March that there will elections.

Jutaporn is charged with LM in April, and tossed in the klink.

The actual date of the elections is set in May

There is no issue with the timing on that.

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so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

Time for the list - a reminder of how many died, how old they were and how they died - you actually have to scan through quite a lot of deaths to get to the 2010 list, as the security forces do have previous in this sort of thing;

http://www.robinlea....List-table.html

Thanks for the table.

Sobering.

I do not believe that governments should use lethal force against their own citizens (ie: kill).

This list shows what happens when they do.

There are always other choices.

Except there is nothing that says this was any one government responsible.

It is a list of people suspect of being killed in partisan or clan in-fighting.

It shows lots of people in the wrong places, and factional powerplays, and partisan violence,

but only a fraction can be specifically attributed to any government per se.

And considering the time frames this is no one government, but most all covered.

you're such a sympathetic person.

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so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

The government didn't order the RTA to kill anyone. They certainly didn't order the RTA to kill the colonel with a grenade or bystanders standing at a train station.

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Rubl, ... what ?

Abhisit announces in March that there will elections.

Jutaporn is charged with LM in April, and tossed in the klink.

The actual date of the elections is set in May

There is no issue with the timing on that.

Abhisit also announced in 2010 that there would be elections around the middle of the year.

But besides that, reports at the time indicated that even some red shirts were surprised with what Jatuporn et al had said.

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Rubl, ... what ?

Abhisit announces in March that there will elections.

Jutaporn is charged with LM in April, and tossed in the klink.

The actual date of the elections is set in May

There is no issue with the timing on that.

You wrote:

"Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that..."

Your posts suggest that there was something suspicious with the timing of the LM charge against k. Jatuporn.

Well, he spoke on the 10th of April, around 16/18th DSI talked with prosecutors, on 18th DSI summoned k. Jatuporn and others to acknowledge charges between 2 and 6 of May.

Mr Jatuporn and Mr Nisit, both former members of parliament, were sent to Bangkok Remand Prison immediately after the Criminal Court revoked their bail on May 12.

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"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

Is this the wrong transliteration of "Kokaew Pikulthong"?

Maybe more aptly Co-cow Pickletongue.

Yes, always that spurious 91 number, sounds worse than the truthful numbers in question. These guys don't know when letting a sleeping dog lye is the best policy. Always whining on about conspiracies against them, yet they are the font of dozens of conspiracies themselves.

Masters of Hypocrisy, on all fronts, on all days.

so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

Time for the list - a reminder of how many died, how old they were and how they died - you actually have to scan through quite a lot of deaths to get to the 2010 list, as the security forces do have previous in this sort of thing;

http://www.robinlea....List-table.html

Do you have a list provided by an actual journalistic source and not an anti-monarchist NGO'er?

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so if 91 is not it, what, in your opinion, is the truthful number?

The government didn't order the RTA to kill anyone. They certainly didn't order the RTA to kill the colonel with a grenade or bystanders standing at a train station.

The govt authorized the military to use live rounds. That is as much as I "know" about orders. So far, the investigation is only just barely begun.

But what we do know, regardless of the orders, is that the military killed a lot of civilians. As the list makes perfectly clear, the Thai military has a long history of doing so in violent crack-downs.

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Rubl, ... what ?

Abhisit announces in March that there will elections.

Jutaporn is charged with LM in April, and tossed in the klink.

The actual date of the elections is set in May

There is no issue with the timing on that.

You wrote:

"Of course not. Just days after the elections were announced, LM charges were filed against him by army chief Prayuth causing his bail to be revoked so that he could enjoy the scenery of a fine jail cell until August...

Nothing political in that..."

Your posts suggest that there was something suspicious with the timing of the LM charge against k. Jatuporn.

Well, he spoke on the 10th of April, around 16/18th DSI talked with prosecutors, on 18th DSI summoned k. Jatuporn and others to acknowledge charges between 2 and 6 of May.

Mr Jatuporn and Mr Nisit, both former members of parliament, were sent to Bangkok Remand Prison immediately after the Criminal Court revoked their bail on May 12.

my post uses sarcasm to point out that yes, indeed, the LM charges against Jutaporn were politically motivated.

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