Red-Shirts Gather To Inform Thai Govt Of Signature Campaign

[webfact]

50 reds gather to inform govt of campaign

THE NATION

Pheu Thai MP Sanguan Pongmanee yesterday led some 50 red-shirt protesters from the North to notify the Parliament of their intent to launch a signature campaign, seeking support from 50,000 voters to sponsor a motion for charter rewrite.

The red shirts taking part in the campaign included Phetchawat Wattanapongsirikul of the Love Chiang Mai 51 Group and former senator Ruangkrai Leekitwattana.

"Whether the charter amendment is successful or not hinges on the support of the people," Sanguan said after meeting with Deputy House Speaker Visuth Chainaroon before kick-starting the signature campaign.

He said that once the campaign is completed, he would submit a motion to seek to amend Article 291 of the Constitution, paving way for the formation of the Constitution Drafting Assembly (CDA) to revamp the entire charter.

Under his proposal, the CDA would comprise of 101 members, he said, explaining that 77 would be elected from each province and 28 would be selected from academics, including Buddhist monks.

He said he was spearheading a separate charter amendment from the one being pushed by the Pheu Thai Party and the mainstream red-shirt movement.

The campaign to solicit support from 50,000 voters should be completed by February and the motion on charter amendment could well be introduced on the House floor soon afterwards, he said.

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

In a related development, Constitution Court president Wasant Soypisut said the charter would not need to be amended if everybody was ethical and played by the rules.

"I think efforts should be focused on behaviour modification instead of amending provisions," he said.

Wasant added that he was uncertain about the extent of charter amendment, saying he was pessimistic that the rewrite could improve on the political system because politicians seemed bent on manipulating the rules regardless of how the charter was written.

Commenting on a separate issue of amending Article 112 of the Criminal Code, he said he disagreed with the proposed change.

The Article 112, which pertains to offence against the monarchy, is the legal shield for head of state that is enforced in connection with Articles 130 to 135 on safeguarding foreign heads of state, he said.

Should the offence against the monarchy be repealed, the end result would be ironic because Thailand will end up protecting foreign heads of state but not its own monarch, he said.

He also pointed out that Article 8 of the Constitution prescribes for the King as being inviolable. If anyone is free to air royal insults, then this clause would become a moot point, he said.

-- The Nation 2011-12-30

[whybother]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

[nurofiend]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

i do wonder if he actually said those words or if it's a nation ad-lib

[whybother]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

i do wonder if he actually said those words or if it's a nation ad-lib

I'm sure he didn't say anything like that and the Nation just made it all up, as they do with all the news.

[nurofiend]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

i do wonder if he actually said those words or if it's a nation ad-lib

I'm sure he didn't say anything like that and the Nation just made it all up, as they do with all the news.

yeah cos that's what i meant

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Edited December 30, 2011 by soundman
No name calling please.

[exeter]

The rw write is exactly what is needed and are exactly what we want and there are 50000 x's on it already!

This is the most important thing for Thailand to be doing right now? ( Dont mention ITMA!).

[hellodolly]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

i do wonder if he actually said those words or if it's a nation ad-lib

I'm sure he didn't say anything like that and the Nation just made it all up, as they do with all the news.

You may be rite. The one problem I have with it is that it could very well be what he said. Red Shirts are not known for having the interest of Thailand as there guiding light or a high IQ.

A real dilemma when you get your information on a subject from such a unreliable source as the Nation. Kinda makes one wonder how serious the TV is meant to be.

Edited December 30, 2011 by hellodolly

[Scott]

One post with a link that has nothing to do with the OP has been deleted.

[OzMick]

What happens if someone comes up with 60,000 names on a petition NOT to change the charter?

Why is the desire of circa 1% of the voters worth considering? How many of them know really what they are signing to support ?

[Moruya]

Why do the redshirts feel they need to gather?

Why don't they just send a text message and be done with it?

Hell, they could setup a Facebook page!

[Bagwan]

Does anybody else see a similarity between the red shirts and the brown shirts of 80 years ago? Am I alone in considering the red shirt as the extremist branch of Rent a Mob? Perhaps we might even see a little red book?

I am greatly in favour of political and social change in Thailand but imposing it using the Thai equivalent of a drunken mob of English football supporters doesn't seem the right way to go.

[Bakseedaa]

Why do the redshirts feel they need to gather?

Why don't they just send a text message and be done with it?

Hell, they could setup a Facebook page!

They have got a Facebook, called 'Friends of Redshirts" no-one has joined yet...!

[rixalex]

Pheu Thai MP leads Red Shirts. I see.

Exactly how much more evidence do some people need, that these two groups are part of the same body?

[alexakap]

some 50 red-shirt protesters from the North to notify the Parliament

How long these reds will DICTATE their wishes to the whole country??? Not even by the law, but by the "some 50 from the North" at this case...??

TiT.

[Orac]

some 50 red-shirt protesters from the North to notify the Parliament

How long these reds will DICTATE their wishes to the whole country??? Not even by the law, but by the "some 50 from the North" at this case...??

TiT.

Having a signature campaign and petitioning the government for change - sound like terrorists to me!

[rixalex]

some 50 red-shirt protesters from the North to notify the Parliament

How long these reds will DICTATE their wishes to the whole country??? Not even by the law, but by the "some 50 from the North" at this case...??

TiT.

Having a signature campaign and petitioning the government for change - sound like terrorists to me!

Patience. Wait until they bring out the rocket launchers, grenades and molotov cocktails, then make your sarcastic terrorist comments.

[animatic]

Now that their buddies are in the government and they are not getting their way 100% Red Shirts will act just as irrational as PAD in the same situation, and harasse their own side. RS/PAD two rotten peas from similar pods; bat-&lt;deleted&gt; crazy, and imagining only they are right and everyone else MUST listen to them and obey.

[animatic]

Does anybody else see a similarity between the red shirts and the brown shirts of 80 years ago? Am I alone in considering the red shirt as the extremist branch of Rent a Mob? Perhaps we might even see a little red book?

I am greatly in favour of political and social change in Thailand but imposing it using the Thai equivalent of a drunken mob of English football supporters doesn't seem the right way to go.

Those with the little red book are biding their time behind their 'fronts', and building their Red Shirt Village Network of the indoctrinated, awaiting the moment to step forward.

Edited December 30, 2011 by animatic

[FOODLOVER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXnyLjRzrm0&feature=related

Apparently these so called "Gatherings" are quite festive and peaceful.

[hanuman1]

Evidence can be measured in quality as well as quantity. The quality of yours is poor.

He said he was spearheading a separate charter amendment from the one being pushed by the Pheu Thai Party and the mainstream red-shirt movement.

If you'd have bothered reading until at least the 6th paragraph,the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts, but also differing factions within the red shirt movement.

But what does he know, eh? He's just a Thai MP from the ruling party who has direct experience of the language, history, tactics of Thai politics and access to senior figures within each organization.

Arguing against him, we have you, who has experience of reading The Nation, TVF and maybe a few other English-language interpretations of the news, and who knows exactly......what?

PTP = Red Shirts = Thaksin

As lazy and ignorant a conclusion now as it ever was.

Edited December 30, 2011 by hanuman1

[rixalex]

PTP = Red Shirts = Thaksin

As lazy and ignorant a conclusion now as it ever was.

An accurate and extremely well-evidenced conclusion that you clearly continue to struggle to accept.

[Moruya]

I think it's high time the tax authorities took a long, hard look at the red shirts, who the membership and leaders are, what businesses they operate, how they relate to key politicians and what are the conficts of interest.

[hanuman1]

I think it's high time the tax authorities took a long, hard look at the red shirts, who the membership and leaders are, what businesses they operate, how they relate to key politicians and what are the conficts of interest.

I quite agree. It would be helpful. Unfortunately, and for many reasons, that isn't going to happen any time soon.

[tlansford]

Evidence can be measured in quality as well as quantity. The quality of yours is poor.

He said he was spearheading a separate charter amendment from the one being pushed by the Pheu Thai Party and the mainstream red-shirt movement.

If you'd have bothered reading until at least the 6th paragraph,the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts, but also differing factions within the red shirt movement.

But what does he know, eh? He's just a Thai MP from the ruling party who has direct experience of the language, history, tactics of Thai politics and access to senior figures within each organization.

Arguing against him, we have you, who has experience of reading The Nation, TVF and maybe a few other English-language interpretations of the news, and who knows exactly......what?

PTP = Red Shirts = Thaksin

As lazy and ignorant a conclusion now as it ever was.

your point is one of the main things that stands out in this article.

[Jingthing]

For those with short memories,

Love Chiang Mai 51 Group

the same "love" group that thuggishly stopped the peaceful Chiang Mai gay parade.

Freedom loving people. Yippee.

[OzMick]

Evidence can be measured in quality as well as quantity. The quality of yours is poor.

He said he was spearheading a separate charter amendment from the one being pushed by the Pheu Thai Party and the mainstream red-shirt movement.

If you'd have bothered reading until at least the 6th paragraph,the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts, but also differing factions within the red shirt movement.

But what does he know, eh? He's just a Thai MP from the ruling party who has direct experience of the language, history, tactics of Thai politics and access to senior figures within each organization.

Arguing against him, we have you, who has experience of reading The Nation, TVF and maybe a few other English-language interpretations of the news, and who knows exactly......what?

PTP = Red Shirts = Thaksin

As lazy and ignorant a conclusion now as it ever was.

".......the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts........"

This is not supported by the quoted text which states that PTP and the mainstream redshirts are on the same agenda as far as charter change in the words "the one". If it had used "the ones" or, more correctly, "those" a difference could be inferred.

Comprehension is required as well as reading.

[OzMick]

Evidence can be measured in quality as well as quantity. The quality of yours is poor.

He said he was spearheading a separate charter amendment from the one being pushed by the Pheu Thai Party and the mainstream red-shirt movement.

If you'd have bothered reading until at least the 6th paragraph,the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts, but also differing factions within the red shirt movement.

But what does he know, eh? He's just a Thai MP from the ruling party who has direct experience of the language, history, tactics of Thai politics and access to senior figures within each organization.

Arguing against him, we have you, who has experience of reading The Nation, TVF and maybe a few other English-language interpretations of the news, and who knows exactly......what?

PTP = Red Shirts = Thaksin

As lazy and ignorant a conclusion now as it ever was.

your point is one of the main things that stands out in this article.

And you seem to have a similar lack of comprehension skills as H

[hanuman1]

Evidence can be measured in quality as well as quantity. The quality of yours is poor.

He said he was spearheading a separate charter amendment from the one being pushed by the Pheu Thai Party and the mainstream red-shirt movement.

If you'd have bothered reading until at least the 6th paragraph,the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts, but also differing factions within the red shirt movement.

But what does he know, eh? He's just a Thai MP from the ruling party who has direct experience of the language, history, tactics of Thai politics and access to senior figures within each organization.

Arguing against him, we have you, who has experience of reading The Nation, TVF and maybe a few other English-language interpretations of the news, and who knows exactly......what?

PTP = Red Shirts = Thaksin

As lazy and ignorant a conclusion now as it ever was.

".......the central figure himself draws a distinction not only between the PTP and mainstream Red Shirts........"

This is not supported by the quoted text which states that PTP and the mainstream redshirts are on the same agenda as far as charter change in the words "the one". If it had used "the ones" or, more correctly, "those" a difference could be inferred.

Comprehension is required as well as reading.

You appear to be right. Thanks. The distinction is between a red shirt faction and 'mainstream Red Shirts', which I take to be the UDD, as well as between the same red shirt faction and the PTP.

[myfriendu]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

exactly

[animatic]

He added that he and his supporters aimed to cancel the legacy of the 2006 coup, and thus, they were not concerned if their move fuelled social divisions.

... what was that about reconciliation?

exactly

Absolutely nothing connects this to reconciliation.

"Winning" in the Charlie Sheen context comes t mind though.