Crushdepth Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I am waiting for one of the unfriendly to the US countries to start setting up high speed servers full of content. Sooner or later some countries will realise that sensible data privacy laws gives them a major competitive advantage. It's a serious issue for both business and individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) The solution is to provide a convenient way for people to buy it online from a trusted source at a reasonable price (which reflects the reduced production and distribution costs of the electronic world). Amazon, Audible, iTunes and Spotify are examples of electronic music/book services that have had huge success despite the existence of torrents. Most people would not bother frigging around with torrents full of crap if there was a more convenient alternative. Problem is that RIAA and company have been more interested in screwing the last few dollars out of their dinosaur business model. They have failed to provide an alternative to file sharing and therefore failed to profit from it. Who is to blame? And really, who wants to buy a *CD*? Edited January 21, 2012 by astral No meed to qjuote the entire pose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Screw this, I'm starting my own internet. It will have porn, gambling, email, porn, social networking, porn, a wiki, a search engine, porn, torrents, news and porn. The US can go kiss my ass. Domains at nec. are available now. You forgot to include 'porn'. The video of the US kissing my ass will be in the porn section. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohmer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Do you think this would be as big of deal if China just happened to be the source of most creative media instead of the US. China doesn't even allow its people to see much of the world's news, and most of what China (and most other countries) make is nothing more than copy-cat stuff anyhow. If China was the principal creator of intellectual property, they would be doing a lot more than just trying to find the thieves. Also, can someone tell me what the difference is from illegally copying a movie versus a proprietary, patented hard product. If stealing songs is ok, is China's copying Apple products ok too, and it that is ok, what about anything. Then, you would have nothing but the crummy movies, songs, and electronic products made here in Thailand as no real inventor or creator would bother. The freedom of the internet also means responsibility. The more freedom something has, the more responsibility to self-regulate it. Since that has not been done, then countries and companies will have to step in to protect themselves. Also, for any of you who just like to bash the US, then go back to your own country and start producing creative, intellectual property and see if you like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urandom Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Also, for any of you who just like to bash the US, then go back to your own country and start producing creative, intellectual property and see if you like it. this could have been a great trolling attempt but you're being serious so that's extremely pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Also, for any of you who just like to bash the US, then go back to your own country and start producing creative, intellectual property and see if you like it. this could have been a great trolling attempt but you're being serious so that's extremely pathetic. Without Gomers' Kinfolk we'd all be living in caves,banging rocks together and speaking German. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshorts Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I wish the biggest trouble to FBI and everyone supporting them. It would be interesting to understand why you wish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Will Smith was once asked if it bothered him that people were pirating his movies. He replied, "Nah, I get paid way too much for what I do already." In my not-so-humble opinion, that man is a hero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludditeman Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Assuming you don't go into Big C on a shoplifting spree, how do you unabashedly admit to stealing/downloading copyrighted material from the internet? Incorrect anology! Copyright infringement is, going into Big C and taking a photo of the contents of the shop, without paying Big C for taking a photo on their private property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urandom Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 That's not exactly right either. A good analogy would going to Big C with Harry Potter (WAIT WHAT A BRITISH CREATION OH NOOOOES) and Harry would multiply bottles of Samsong. Then you'd leave with one of the magic bottles without paying and bring it to the date you have with Hermione. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somchai69 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 As usual it is all arse about face. Please tell me where I can legally download these films etc and pay for them The same goes for the latest TV shows from my home country, the UK. Once that infrastructure is in place, then I will support all these measures but until then.................... . No I don't want BBC Entertainment with its 5 year old offering and with my limited bandwidth streaming is not at option either Torrents where the data can trickle in from a number of sources are the ideal solution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 As usual it is all arse about face. Please tell me where I can legally download these films etc and pay for them The same goes for the latest TV shows from my home country, the UK. Once that infrastructure is in place, then I will support all these measures but until then.................... . No I don't want BBC Entertainment with its 5 year old offering and with my limited bandwidth streaming is not at option either Torrents where the data can trickle in from a number of sources are the ideal solution. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKvampire Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I loved it when I was in China, Blocked Facebook , Youtube, twitter but hey all the Torrent file sharing I wanted no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsflynn603 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Half a billion in losses, oh my! So let me understand this: If a teen-ager downloads something that is copyright protected, this means that if she cannot download it, she will immediately run to the nearest place to buy it on a DVD--I think not. I'll accept that the media people experience some losses but in fact it is likely that anyone who downloads such stuff simply cannot afford to buy it, and will not buy it. From what little I've seen, it's pointless to download a movie due to quality issues, I'll just go and rent it. Further, it is very simple if let's say a movie company has up/downloading going on, to fix the problem. Simply seed with a few hundred versions of the film with degraded quality. The likely outcome is that the person gets sick of the poor quality and goes and either rents or buys the film. And let's look at the Kettle calling the Pot black........ I used to buy about 25 music CD's a year. Then one day I bought one made by Sony. Strangely it would not work on my computer. Even stranger soon afterwards my computer died. Though I am pretty good at rebuilding computers, nothing I could do would fix it, so I bought a new mobo upgraded my version of Windows. Later I found the problem. That CD, by Sony contained a rootkit. Sadly, when the Attorney General of Texas filed a class action suit against Sony I never heard about it and never was awarded damages. The damages....by the way...were 20 free downloads. So Sony can destroy tens of thousands of computers, causing many millions in damages and do they face 20 years in prison? Nope. But the graphic designer, Julius Benko, gee, he must be the evil mastermind, forget prison, take away his crayons! America the great has changed to America the corporate serving bully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsumhelp Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I cant wait til Jebus sues Gutenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) There are plenty of good if not dvd quality downloads. Also, the industry does try to introduce fakes. The solution, like some other activities is to only use your go to guys whose quality is known. Your other point is correct,, I dl tons of stuff that i simply would not watch if I had to pay 25 bucks for it. Edited January 21, 2012 by astral No need to quote the entire post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've bought more DVDs after having downloaded a dodgy version than I've ever bought straight off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've bought more DVDs after having downloaded a dodgy version than I've ever bought straight off the bat. Me too, if I like a movie I usually go buy the HD disk, I look at it as an extended preview. It's not like you can get your money back if a movie truly sucks. I saw There Will Be Blood at the cinema and after repeated emails bloody Paramount will return nether the $25 nor the 3 hours of my life it wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I understand the USA, i mean they are still stealing from the artist and movie producers. Why should it be legal just because the servers are in a different country. The people who made the work are in the USA and loosing money. Yes but you have to understand that this is a straw man argument. This is really about controlling the internet. It's about commercial interests making laws that restrict the freedom of the people. And if you think they'll very carefully thread to apply this only in cases of clear, proven (!) copyright infringement you are mistaken. It's an all-out power grab. They want it all. The comparatively minor real issue of copyright infringement and how artists can continue to make money stands in no relation to the proposed solution, complete control over the internet's contents. The USA is going o turn into China with this. It's outrageous if you think about it: The law is thrown out the window and bent to the will of corporate interests. How come corporations can shut off individuals from the internet without due process, without proof, without a judge? That is ridiculous. Yet that's exactly what SOPA proposes. Same with websites - BigCORP doesn't like your website? OK they'll just have the DOJ take it down, and then you have to go to the courts and prove you did nothing wrong and by the time you're able to do that 2 years have passed and you are bankrupt. This is the work of a bought congress. It needs to stop. And because artists are always used as an argument - let's ask them. Do artists have a right to be rich if their artwork gets wide-spread? Asked another way, if they won't get rich, will they stop making art? How many artists do get rich, and how many do it even though they don't? The artists argument is a joke. This is about the leeches that are making money off the artists works, the corporations selling their works. Why do they deserve special protection from changing business environments? The answer is they don't, but they have bought congress, hence all that stupidity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 @nikster, I never said its a good thing how they are trying to do it. Just said its logical for them to want to protect themselves against stealing. Yes its copying but money is lost. No not everyone who downloads something would really buy it. Yes i download enough myself illegal too. I understand that they want to protect their stuff. I am not sure this is the right way to do it. But neither is the free downloading that we do. I think they should change their business model, but on the other hand i also think people should not download for free if they are not willing to pay for it (or at least they are not free of sin) How this can be solved, no idea but i don't moan when someone is trying to stop me from downloading. I will miss it a lot but its their right to try to stop genuine copyright infringements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiver Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not sure why all the focus on copyright. These agencies have taken down a company that supplies a service to millions of people (4% of the internet!!). These people could have any kind of information stored non locally, and all these millions of people have had their lives disrupted as a result of all these agencies (paid for by the people who's lives are disrupted). It's like banning internet under the guise of 'maybe there's kiddy porn', or some other knee jerk emotive subject. Sure it's a probably there, but do you cut down the tree because of a potential bad apple on the tree? Time to move to TOR and build a MESH and just ignore these people. Reminds me of that song by Prodigy "%£ 'em, and THEIR law". If we want to focus on Hollywood (what's that about anyhow, and what's the real contribution, profit, media message, mental programming?), If I want to pay to watch 90 minute adverts on how to be a sheeple it's my choice. Will they pay me marketing fees if I tell 10 friends about their product? What about their 10 friends each? Why is the fiat flowing only one way? This goes so much deeper than the article implies. Finally, I happen to know an employee of said company, and imho their spirit, ideology, vision and societal contribution are centuries ahead of the agency grunt people, whose families should hold them accountable for the shameful damage they're doing to society for a paycheck. "Here, take this gun and point it at those guys over there in that country and I'll give you $100 bucks". "but what about the children of that person", "okay $200, whatever", "done. When I have $200 bucks, then I'll feel the happiness swell from within". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I've bought more DVDs after having downloaded a dodgy version than I've ever bought straight off the bat. Good luck to you, IF you can get quality DVD's where you live. I am not talking about technical quality here, rather intellectual.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Me too, if I like a movie I usually go buy the HD disk, I look at it as an extended preview. It's not like you can get your money back if a movie truly sucks. I saw There Will Be Blood at the cinema and after repeated emails bloody Paramount will return nether the $25 nor the 3 hours of my life it wasted. 25 bucks to see a film, you were ripped off.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalbanana Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 http://bit.ly/xfumPJ would suggest Kin Dotcom had it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Me too, if I like a movie I usually go buy the HD disk, I look at it as an extended preview. It's not like you can get your money back if a movie truly sucks. I saw There Will Be Blood at the cinema and after repeated emails bloody Paramount will return nether the $25 nor the 3 hours of my life it wasted. 25 bucks to see a film, you were ripped off.......... i certainly was for that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunder30101 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well it looks like the usa bashers are out in force once again instead of discussing the topic of file sharing services and their legality. By the way what european country shut down pirate bay and jailed/fined its owners ? Until the distribution models for media are brought up to 21st century standards these fights will start to come from all countries. Filesonic is down now too, guess you can blame the usa for that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urandom Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well it looks like the usa bashers are out in force once again instead of discussing the topic of file sharing services and their legality. By the way what european country shut down pirate bay and jailed/fined its owners ? That was funny, thanks http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/how-the-us-convinced-spain-to-adopt-internet-censorship.ars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblyjohn Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well it looks like the usa bashers are out in force once again instead of discussing the topic of file sharing services and their legality. By the way what european country shut down pirate bay and jailed/fined its owners ? Until the distribution models for media are brought up to 21st century standards these fights will start to come from all countries. Filesonic is down now too, guess you can blame the usa for that one too. After signing up with filesonic for a 180 day account it became invalid after only 18 days, this morning I decided to complain to paypay and luckily for me I have just been awarded a full refund for $35 even though I only claimed 31 Thanks very much Paypal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxer Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Well it looks like the usa bashers are out in force once again instead of discussing the topic of file sharing services and their legality. By the way what european country shut down pirate bay and jailed/fined its owners ? Until the distribution models for media are brought up to 21st century standards these fights will start to come from all countries. Filesonic is down now too, guess you can blame the usa for that one too. Sweden prosecuted the owners of Pirate Bay after heavy pressure from USA, but Pirate Bay is not closed down (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkinbkk Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I've been using Filesonic for about a year and LOVED it. So sad its gone. I read that Megaupload had 50million users? At an average of say $8 a month that's 400 million dollars a month?! Then add Fileserve, Filesonic etc etc and thats a huge payday by any means. I cannot believe that the studios producing the content do not want to move to a subscription based service direct to the end customer rather than through the normal distribution channels. I would gladly pay a set price per month for legal access to all the programmes I am used to downloading in 720p rather than pay True to cut them to shreds and send them out at such poor resolution they are unwatchable on a big TV So, I'm not going to hand over money to another cyberlocker service as I'm sure they will all be doing a runner in the coming weeks. Are torrents a viable alternative in Thailand? Any other viable alternatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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