Thailand's Thaksin Prepares For War

[rubl]

There will probably be a nuclear bomb at the biggest Red Shirt rally since before the election, at Bonanaza Resort in Khao Yai, tomorrow.

Missed that one. Will k. Arisman finaly be there to sing a song ? Last year he was sorely missed when he decided he had more fun in Cambodia.

[rubl]

'a military connection still to come'? The article is from 2009-05-01. Mind you, k. Jatuporn and a few posters here have promised me a coup, so one of these days you might still be right

I was referring to the military trio member, the calm and collected, not a loose cannon at all, Gen Prayuth, as you well know.

Either your sentence has some logical flaw or I have missed something (which does happen). So, please be so kind as to explain the "blue shirts" <-> "ingredient in chaos" AND "through the mil. conn. maybe still to come"

Did you even read the link I provided - or investigate a bit further on your own? Seek, and you shall find. Hint. It's not just about the red shirts.............................who's behind the blue shirts, what did they do, why did they do it, who would gain, what is their military connection, how does that relate to the present situation - all pertinent to your post.

Brothers, I tell you, the end of the world is near and a military connection is still to come. All pertinent to my post which actually was just a question which hasn't been answered. With k. Thaksin preparing for war chaos is bound to come might have been meant.

Have fun, off to work now

[rixalex]

But their lack of success finally frustrated the Red Shirt leaders to the point they sent Arisman over. Within a very short timeframe, the Red Shirts were in the face of the coupist legislators.

Dam_n, he was effective, and explains why he is my hero.

I would question the mental state of a person who names any Thai politician as being their hero. Can't think of one worthy of that sort of worship and respect. Tells a sad story that you can.

[animatic]

comparing hitler to thaksin is nothing but an insult to the many millions who suffered by hitlers actions

Agreed. A few names fit with Hitler in the big picture, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot come to mind,

but Thaksin is not in that infamous league... yet.

Elections are by nature yes or no questions for the country.

If it is evenly divided 50 /50 with slight variations periodically,

there will always be half the electorate the other half thinks

makes a mistake for any number of reasons.

Calling it such is not arrogant, but looking at it as fact.

In this case the obvious manipulations and outright lies

used to win the election show as errors.

As to stating opinions.

Every one has one. I have mine.

I need not add an IMHO every time I make a statement of what I have observed and analyzed.

I have stated many good reasons why I have come to my conclusions,

if you don't agree that's your problem not mine.

If you think me arrogant that is also your problem not mine.

Edited February 24, 2012 by animatic

[waza]

I see the indoctrinated Thaksin haters are out in full force this morning.

Those bad Red Shirts standing up to coupists.

That is anarchism personified, right.

Those poor coupist armed aggressors....poor babies.

Ms. Y. should be reading all this stuff, so she knows the ramifications of winning elections.

There will probably be a nuclear bomb at the biggest Red Shirt rally since before the election, at Bonanaza Resort in Khao Yai, tomorrow.

Imagine what can happen when that many lady anarchists get together at one time, in one place.

You are very flippant about events that had a traumatic effect on the lives of many Thai people and the Bangkok community in particular. Even the true believers in the red shirt were ambushed by the more radical and violent member in the past protests. Whether the coup was legal or not is debatable but it happened, get over it, its all history now. The government of Thaksin the convicted criminal on the run from justice who paid for violent faction of protestors to terrorise Bangkok is back in power so try a little reconciliation. It is not suprising why you have no credibility your lack of empathy shows what a despicable charater you are.

[blows]

comparing hitler to thaksin is nothing but an insult to the many millions who suffered by hitlers actions

Agreed. A few names fit with Hitler in the big picture, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot come to mind,

but Thaksin is not in that infamous league... yet.

Elections are by nature yes or no questions for the country.

If it is evenly divided 50 /50 with slight variations periodically,

there will always be half the electorate the other half thinks

makes a mistake for any number of reasons.

Calling it such is not arrogant, but looking at it as fact.

In this case the obvious manipulations and outright lies

used to win the election show as errors.

As to stating opinions.

Every one has one. I have mine.

I need not add an IMHO every time I make a statement of what I have observed and analyzed.

I have stated many good reasons why I have come to my conclusions,

if you don't agree that's your problem not mine.

If you think me arrogant that is also your problem not mine.

Yet is right, his red shirts are wearing Mao shirts. The worst is yet to be.

Edited February 24, 2012 by blows

[animatic]

But their lack of success finally frustrated the Red Shirt leaders to the point they sent Arisman over. Within a very short timeframe, the Red Shirts were in the face of the coupist legislators.

Dam_n, he was effective, and explains why he is my hero.

I would question the mental state of a person who names any Thai politician as being their hero. Can't think of one worthy of that sort of worship and respect. Tells a sad story that you can.

Yet is right, the red shirts are wearing pro Mao shirts, the worst is yet to be.

Thaksin the uber-capitalist takes strange bedfellows in his quest to win absolutely.

In the end some one is getting f*****.

[Moruya]

I see the indoctrinated Thaksin haters are out in full force this morning.

Those bad Red Shirts standing up to coupists.

That is anarchism personified, right.

Those poor coupist armed aggressors....poor babies.

Ms. Y. should be reading all this stuff, so she knows the ramifications of winning elections.

There will probably be a nuclear bomb at the biggest Red Shirt rally since before the election, at Bonanaza Resort in Khao Yai, tomorrow.

Imagine what can happen when that many lady anarchists get together at one time, in one place.

I'm going to sit in my garden and watch the lines of ants come to collect the sugar I left there earlier and take it to their nest.

In doing so I shall determine which one of these is CalgaryII. Maybe they all are.

Like all Thaksin fans they come, they take, they return.

When I am bored of watching them I shall boild the kettle and make a cup of tea.

I shall take the remaining boiling water and pur it into the nest. A chemical free solution to my ant problem.

I shall then sit down in my chair and drink me tea. A happy man.

[StreetCowboy]

comparing hitler to thaksin is nothing but an insult to the many millions who suffered by hitlers actions

Agreed. A few names fit with Hitler in the big picture, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot come to mind,

but Thaksin is not in that infamous league... yet.

Elections are by nature yes or no questions for the country.

If it is evenly divided 50 /50 with slight variations periodically,

there will always be half the electorate the other half thinks

makes a mistake for any number of reasons.

Calling it such is not arrogant, but looking at it as fact.

In this case the obvious manipulations and outright lies

used to win the election show as errors.

As to stating opinions.

Every one has one. I have mine.

I need not add an IMHO every time I make a statement of what I have observed and analyzed.

I have stated many good reasons why I have come to my conclusions,

if you don't agree that's your problem not mine.

If you think me arrogant that is also your problem not mine.

Yet is right, his red shirts are wearing Mao shirts. The worst is yet to be.

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

[Reasonableman]

comparing hitler to thaksin is nothing but an insult to the many millions who suffered by hitlers actions

Agreed. A few names fit with Hitler in the big picture, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot come to mind,

but Thaksin is not in that infamous league... yet.

Elections are by nature yes or no questions for the country.

If it is evenly divided 50 /50 with slight variations periodically,

there will always be half the electorate the other half thinks

makes a mistake for any number of reasons.

Calling it such is not arrogant, but looking at it as fact.

In this case the obvious manipulations and outright lies

used to win the election show as errors.

As to stating opinions.

Every one has one. I have mine.

I need not add an IMHO every time I make a statement of what I have observed and analyzed.

I have stated many good reasons why I have come to my conclusions,

if you don't agree that's your problem not mine.

If you think me arrogant that is also your problem not mine.

Yet is right, his red shirts are wearing Mao shirts. The worst is yet to be.

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

It's the old "feigned indignation" ploy, used in an attempt to shame the opposing party into silence. Get over it. It's more BS.

[nurofiend]

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

It's the old "feigned indignation" ploy, used in an attempt to shame the opposing party into silence. Get over it. It's more BS.

what...are you on about ?

[Reasonableman]

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

It's the old "feigned indignation" ploy, used in an attempt to shame the opposing party into silence. Get over it. It's more BS.

what...are you on about ?

Please don't trim the relevant parts out of quotes and then comment on the remainder. Thanks.

Edited February 24, 2012 by Reasonableman

[blows]

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

It's the old "feigned indignation" ploy, used in an attempt to shame the opposing party into silence. Get over it. It's more BS.

what...are you on about ?

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.

[Moruya]

comparing hitler to thaksin is nothing but an insult to the many millions who suffered by hitlers actions

Agreed. A few names fit with Hitler in the big picture, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot come to mind,

but Thaksin is not in that infamous league... yet.

Elections are by nature yes or no questions for the country.

If it is evenly divided 50 /50 with slight variations periodically,

there will always be half the electorate the other half thinks

makes a mistake for any number of reasons.

Calling it such is not arrogant, but looking at it as fact.

In this case the obvious manipulations and outright lies

used to win the election show as errors.

As to stating opinions.

Every one has one. I have mine.

I need not add an IMHO every time I make a statement of what I have observed and analyzed.

I have stated many good reasons why I have come to my conclusions,

if you don't agree that's your problem not mine.

If you think me arrogant that is also your problem not mine.

Yet is right, his red shirts are wearing Mao shirts. The worst is yet to be.

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

Scargill? Fill my ears with som tum!

he never really made it to the victory podium although he probably assisted Maggie a great deal.

[animatic]

comparing hitler to thaksin is nothing but an insult to the many millions who suffered by hitlers actions

Agreed. A few names fit with Hitler in the big picture, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot come to mind,

but Thaksin is not in that infamous league... yet.

Elections are by nature yes or no questions for the country.

If it is evenly divided 50 /50 with slight variations periodically,

there will always be half the electorate the other half thinks

makes a mistake for any number of reasons.

Calling it such is not arrogant, but looking at it as fact.

In this case the obvious manipulations and outright lies

used to win the election show as errors.

As to stating opinions.

Every one has one. I have mine.

I need not add an IMHO every time I make a statement of what I have observed and analyzed.

I have stated many good reasons why I have come to my conclusions,

if you don't agree that's your problem not mine.

If you think me arrogant that is also your problem not mine.

Yet is right, his red shirts are wearing Mao shirts. The worst is yet to be.

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

Take your pick.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/monsters.htm

http://conservapedia.com/List_of_dictators

http://www.thedictatorship.com/

[nurofiend]

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

It's the old "feigned indignation" ploy, used in an attempt to shame the opposing party into silence. Get over it. It's more BS.

what...are you on about ?

Please don't trim the relevant parts out of quotes and then comment on the remainder. Thanks.

uh then please organize it so that you can use more quotes on this forum... and besides, what was missing didn't make any difference in this case.

[nurofiend]

I suppose the trouble is that we don't know the names of many second-rate tinpot demagogic dictators.

I often think that Hitler is a good exemplar of the most extreme of such.

Perhaps we could use Arthur Scargill in preference, but he was more parochial and less widely known internationally.

Could anyone propose another dictator that rose to power through demagogary that will not arouse such passions?

SC

It's the old "feigned indignation" ploy, used in an attempt to shame the opposing party into silence. Get over it. It's more BS.

what...are you on about ?

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.

oh i got it

the comment was verging on the deluded, that's all.

[Insight]

There will probably be a nuclear bomb at the biggest Red Shirt rally since before the election, at Bonanaza Resort in Khao Yai, tomorrow.

Sounds very war-like. Much like the name of this thread.

[Reasonableman]

And here I was in the mistaken belief that Nurofen was an analgesic. Well it is at least partially correct, the first part.

[nurofiend]

makes completely irrelevant...ahem 'joke'..... and laughs hysterically to himself.

definitely deluded.

[whybother]

<snip>

Whether the coup was legal or not is debatable but it happened, get over it, its all history now.

<snip>

The coup WAS NOT legal. Due to the 2007 constitution, it is now. I don't believe changing the constitution will change that.

But there have been 2 elections since then. It is time to move on. Fix problems in the constitution. It is clearly flawed, as was the 1997 constitution.

[craigt3365]

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[Reasonableman]

makes completely irrelevant...ahem 'joke'..... and laughs hysterically to himself.

definitely deluded.

Glad you got the joke. I thought it might have gone over your head, like the previous comment.

[Publicus]

Tlansford, #458

"When I have gone through Red Shirt protests, the protests were (1) huge, (2) peaceful, & (3) filled with a wide cross-section of Thai society"

If you don't mind, I'm going to keep this quote Tlansford.

It describesin large part the make-up of the Red shirts, with probably the added proviso that they are approx. made up of 80% females.

Knowing this most affirmatively from my experience, I can easily brand those who dump on them using Oppositional characterizations, and based on zero personal experiences, as peddling misinformation.

The way the Oppositional parrots describe the Red Shirts is totally out-of-step with reality.

Everyone recalls march-may 2010 as if it were the only protest ever.

That was a very long, complicated, and often violent situation.

It gets a very simplistic treatment on TVF

Other demonstrations by the UDD are forgotten on TVF - apparently - due to the lack of violence...

I remember that there were many red shirt protests and that they were often violent.

No you didnt.

There were many red shirt protests, but they were not often violent.

Don't follow coupist misinformation so slavishly.

It is in their interest to characterize their political nemesis like that, which reached a propagandistic post R'song crescendo.

I know these people.

Where there is occasional acting out, is justifiable anger at coupist criminals when they show their face....criminals for both perpetrating the coup and what they did, killing and maiming, to defend it.

The Thaksin and red shirt people have washed their collective memory of the attack at the Asean prime ministers summit in 2008 in Pattaya when, reds led by Thaksin in Dubai was shouting "revolution" over his mobile phone his mobs attacked the Pattaya resort where Asean PM's were gathered and had to be evacuated by helicopter and other means. Other prominent Thais had additional organized groups of various colors to add to the chaos caused by Thaksin and his reds, a chaos which not only was an embarassment to Thailand, but which also revealed Thaksin to the international community.

It's a relief to see that some of us remember the time and are willing to cause others to recollect it or to acquaint themselves with it.

Edited February 24, 2012 by Publicus

[blows]

"Thailand's Thaksin Prepares For War"

Is this going to be another Thaksin drug war? Or something much worse?

Southeast Asia: Most Killed in Thailand's 2003 Drug War Not Involved With Drugs, Panel Finds

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2007/nov/30/southeast_asia_most_killed_thail

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/27/thailand-drug-war-probe-i_n_208230.html

[nurofiend]

makes completely irrelevant...ahem 'joke'..... and laughs hysterically to himself.

definitely deluded.

Glad you got the joke. I thought it might have gone over your head, like the previous comment.

firstly a joke is defined as something funny... hence why i said 'joke'... and what you wrote just doesn't qualify i'm afraid.

and nothing went over my head, your comment was stupid, plain and simple...

insinuating that people who have a problem with comparing thaksin to hitler are feigning indignation as a ploy to shame the opposition into silence!!!

i mean it just sounds like the rants of a madman... and most certainly not a reasonable...man

[rubl]

0

Everyone recalls march-may 2010 as if it were the only protest ever.

That was a very long, complicated, and often violent situation.

It gets a very simplistic treatment on TVF

Other demonstrations by the UDD are forgotten on TVF - apparently - due to the lack of violence...

I remember that there were many red shirt protests and that they were often violent.

No you didnt.

There were many red shirt protests, but they were not often violent.

Don't follow coupist misinformation so slavishly.

It is in their interest to characterize their political nemesis like that, which reached a propagandistic post R'song crescendo.

I know these people.

Where there is occasional acting out, is justifiable anger at coupist criminals when they show their face....criminals for both perpetrating the coup and what they did, killing and maiming, to defend it.

The Thaksin and red shirt people have washed their collective memory of the attack at the Asean prime ministers summit in 2008 in Pattaya when, reds led by Thaksin in Dubai was shouting "revolution" over his mobile phone his mobs attacked the Pattaya resort where Asean PM's were gathered and had to be evacuated by helicopter and other means. Other prominent Thais had additional organized groups of various colors to add to the chaos caused by Thaksin and his reds, a chaos which not only was an embarassment to Thailand, but which also revealed Thaksin to the international community.

It's a relief to see that some of us remember the time and are willing to cause others to recollect it or to acquaint themselves with it.

Minor correction, the summit stormed by UDD members led by k. Arisman was in 2009

[tlansford]

- sniper -

I remember that there were many red shirt protests and that they were often violent.

No you didnt.

There were many red shirt protests, but they were not often violent.

Don't follow coupist misinformation so slavishly.

It is in their interest to characterize their political nemesis like that, which reached a propagandistic post R'song crescendo.

I know these people.

Where there is occasional acting out, is justifiable anger at coupist criminals when they show their face....criminals for both perpetrating the coup and what they did, killing and maiming, to defend it.

The Thaksin and red shirt people have washed their collective memory of the attack at the Asean prime ministers summit in 2008 in Pattaya when, reds led by Thaksin in Dubai was shouting "revolution" over his mobile phone his mobs attacked the Pattaya resort where Asean PM's were gathered and had to be evacuated by helicopter and other means. Other prominent Thais had additional organized groups of various colors to add to the chaos caused by Thaksin and his reds, a chaos which not only was an embarassment to Thailand, but which also revealed Thaksin to the international community.

It's a relief to see that some of us remember the time and are willing to cause others to recollect it or to acquaint themselves with it.

Minor correction, the summit stormed by UDD members led by k. Arisman was in 2009

Correct, April 2009. I wonder what Publicus can say about this event besides the fact that Abhisit left before the red shirts entered the hotel.

His comment of "other prominent Thais" and groups of "various colors" should be more accurately stated as "Suthep & Newin", and "blue shirts" with a point of detail being that the Blue Shirts consisted of PAD guards and military conscripts along with the fact that the Blue Shirts were organized behind the military lines in Pattaya. The Blue Shirts were present as a (meant to appear as a) non-government related group to use as a counter-measure to the red shirts.

In this way, it would not appear as though the government was using force/violence against the protesters at the ASEAN summit. Both sides were armed, and it seems amazing that there were not more injuries and violence.

If the fuse was the Red Shirts, then the match was the government & their Blue Shirts.

[OzMick]

Correct, April 2009. I wonder what Publicus can say about this event besides the fact that Abhisit left before the red shirts entered the hotel.

His comment of "other prominent Thais" and groups of "various colors" should be more accurately stated as "Suthep & Newin", and "blue shirts" with a point of detail being that the Blue Shirts consisted of PAD guards and military conscripts along with the fact that the Blue Shirts were organized behind the military lines in Pattaya. The Blue Shirts were present as a (meant to appear as a) non-government related group to use as a counter-measure to the red shirts.

In this way, it would not appear as though the government was using force/violence against the protesters at the ASEAN summit. Both sides were armed, and it seems amazing that there were not more injuries and violence.

If the fuse was the Red Shirts, then the match was the government & their Blue Shirts.

Look, they're wearing non-red shirts! Now we're forced into an armed attack on an international conference!

[Reasonableman]

Get over it.

makes completely irrelevant...ahem 'joke'..... and laughs hysterically to himself.

definitely deluded.

Glad you got the joke. I thought it might have gone over your head, like the previous comment.

firstly a joke is defined as something funny... hence why i said 'joke'... and what you wrote just doesn't qualify i'm afraid.

and nothing went over my head, your comment was stupid, plain and simple...

insinuating that people who have a problem with comparing thaksin to hitler are feigning indignation as a ploy to shame the opposition into silence!!!

i mean it just sounds like the rants of a madman... and most certainly not a reasonable...man