Thaksin Looks To Victory At Every Level

tlansford · February 22, 2012

There is the 'fugitive' thing again. The Opposition seems to think that repetition best serves their agenda. Who am I to argue.

Use of this term is agenda, pure and simple.

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

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I have experienced this with a lot of Thaksin haters.

They are so intent on it, they save whatever the Opposition has fed them, and regurgitate it at every opportunity.

In this case using foreign media, the author thinks it better supports their indoctrination-by-Opposition.

This surfaces an entirely different subject matter, that being the copying and paraphrasing of local media by the foreign press.

I experienced this significantly on a recent trip to Europe. When discussing Thai politics with discerning European contacts, it was like talking to the Thai Opposition.

All that aside, the repetitive and often humorously misplaced use of the term in the interest of saying it as often as possible, is political agenda.

See my Post #16 above for support of this notion. No point in repeating myself.

It is perfectly normal for a biased media outlet to try to shape the vocabulary around a debate in their favor. Consider Fox News term "the job-creator class" in lieu of "the 1%", or older attempts from vested interests like the term "death-tax" in lieu of estate tax or inheritance tax.

Edit : your own term "coup-ist" to describe those powerful interests who feel that coups are a useful tool to protect their own self-interests is yet another way to shape the vocabulary around the debate.

Edited February 22, 2012 by tlansford

ianf · February 22, 2012

There is the 'fugitive' thing again. The Opposition seems to think that repetition best serves their agenda. Who am I to argue.

Use of this term is agenda, pure and simple.

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

.

I have experienced this with a lot of Thaksin haters.

They are so intent on it, they save whatever the Opposition has fed them, and regurgitate it at every opportunity.

In this case using foreign media, the author thinks it better supports their indoctrination-by-Opposition.

This surfaces an entirely different subject matter, that being the copying and paraphrasing of local media by the foreign press.

I experienced this significantly on a recent trip to Europe. When discussing Thai politics with discerning European contacts, it was like talking to the Thai Opposition.

All that aside, the repetitive and often humorously misplaced use of the term in the interest of saying it as often as possible, is political agenda.

See my Post #16 above for support of this notion. No point in repeating myself.

It is perfectly normal for a biased media outlet to try to shape the vocabulary around a debate in their favor. Consider Fox News term "the job-creator class" in lieu of "the 1%", or older attempts from vested interests like the term "death-tax" in lieu of estate tax or inheritance tax.

Edit : your own term "coup-ist" to describe those powerful interests who feel that coups are a useful tool to protect their own self-interests is yet another way to shape the vocabulary around the debate.

Yes, but the prolific poster seems to be rewriting history and recokons that Abhisit was part of the Coup, which off course he wasn't. So he's using the word to try and twist a weak argument in his favour. Also he does not seem to have a good command of the English language!

Ricardo · February 22, 2012

Quite.

The former-PM should spell out, just what is "our goal" which he is aiming for, if it isn't a democracy with normal legal-constraints & checks-and-balances on whatever government is in-power ?

Many posters fear that the apparent 'cult-of-personality' which has been carefully-crafted over the past decade, and the objective of an unassailable single-party dominating all the reigns-of-power, are aimed at a dictatorship rather than a democracy where parties compete to deliver improvements for the poor & the country as-a-whole.

Other posters seem blissfully-unaware of the possibility.

The rest of that quote reads :

The goal is to give people a good lifestyle, happiness, and national progress.

You can find it here, for example : http://aliran.com/221.html

Thanks, that's an interesting article, pity things like that don't get published here.

I was struck by the sentence "Criticism was also levelled against the high-handed CEO's way of trying to rule by bypassing parliament and curbing critical civil society groups". So not much change there, over the past several years, if the OP is to be believed.

My comments about Thaksin's 'cult-of-personality' and the risk of a dictatorship stand.

Edited February 22, 2012 by Ricardo

BigBikeBKK · February 22, 2012

Thaksin saw an opportunity to win the battle in Bangkok after the clash between the Democrat Party's Bangkok governor, MR Sukhumbhand Paribatra, and Yingluck's government during the devastating flooding that hit Bangkok late last year.
"The Democrat Party, through Sukhumbhand, failed to impress Bangkokians over tackling the problem, despite [the party] being in administration [of the capital] for almost eight years. So it's time for us to win back Bangkokians' hearts," Thaksin was quoted as saying.

Are Thaksin and his Yingluck clone really that out of touch with reality? The Bangkok Governor was widely praised for his handling of the flood crisis while the Yingluck administration was running around like headless chickens completely incapable of even get their talking points in order, much less take any effective action to combat the floods.

I'd say the flooding crisis was a perfect example of how incompetent and self serving the current administration is. They're interested in one thing, and one thing only, and that's bringing their puppet-master back to Thailand.

looping · February 22, 2012

"Frankly, I can do without these unfounded claims. I can also do without mention of Mr. Thaksin for some time. The Nation should consider another obsession."

IMO The Nation are right to keep tabs on Thaksin who some may say has been the biggest threat to Thailand for the past 10 or so years. He tears at the very fabric of society and he's just getting started... I'd say it's a healthy obsession!

Buchholz · February 22, 2012

You can find it here, for example : http://aliran.com/221.html

contains another worthwhile quote:

about 82 per cent of the people in Bangkok and 86 per cent of the people in rural areas support the coup

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Buchholz · February 22, 2012

There is the 'fugitive' thing again. The Opposition seems to think that repetition best serves their agenda. Who am I to argue.

Use of this term is agenda, pure and simple.

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

.

I have experienced this with a lot of Thaksin haters.

They are so intent on it, they save whatever the Opposition has fed them, and regurgitate it at every opportunity.

In this case using foreign media, the author thinks it better supports their indoctrination-by-Opposition.

This surfaces an entirely different subject matter, that being the copying and paraphrasing of local media by the foreign press.

I experienced this significantly on a recent trip to Europe. When discussing Thai politics with discerning European contacts, it was like talking to the Thai Opposition.

All that aside, the repetitive and often humorously misplaced use of the term in the interest of saying it as often as possible, is political agenda.

It is perfectly normal for a biased media outlet to try to shape the vocabulary around a debate in their favor.

That's a heck of a lot of outlets being "biased."

OR...

they are simply being factual by calling a fugitive, a fugitive.

Calgary's "political agenda", that he refers to, is to call a fugitive, something else, anything.... so long as it's not fugitive.

.

Edited February 22, 2012 by Buchholz

tlansford · February 22, 2012

- sniper -

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

.

I have experienced this with a lot of Thaksin haters.

They are so intent on it, they save whatever the Opposition has fed them, and regurgitate it at every opportunity.

In this case using foreign media, the author thinks it better supports their indoctrination-by-Opposition.

This surfaces an entirely different subject matter, that being the copying and paraphrasing of local media by the foreign press.

I experienced this significantly on a recent trip to Europe. When discussing Thai politics with discerning European contacts, it was like talking to the Thai Opposition.

All that aside, the repetitive and often humorously misplaced use of the term in the interest of saying it as often as possible, is political agenda.

See my Post #16 above for support of this notion. No point in repeating myself.

It is perfectly normal for a biased media outlet to try to shape the vocabulary around a debate in their favor. Consider Fox News term "the job-creator class" in lieu of "the 1%", or older attempts from vested interests like the term "death-tax" in lieu of estate tax or inheritance tax.

Edit : your own term "coup-ist" to describe those powerful interests who feel that coups are a useful tool to protect their own self-interests is yet another way to shape the vocabulary around the debate.

Yes, but the prolific poster seems to be rewriting history and recokons that Abhisit was part of the Coup, which off course he wasn't. So he's using the word to try and twist a weak argument in his favour. Also he does not seem to have a good command of the English language!

One has to wonder how much Abhisit was aware of prior to the 2006 coup. I would be surprised if he had no information about it, but I would also be surprised if he had any (significant) influence in that.

As for the 2009 judicial coup, he was not only aware, he also was (publicly) active, reference, his intervention during the attempt to disperse the PAD from the government house to allow their protests to continue.

WackySomchai · February 22, 2012

The fugitive is preparing the ground for his return as president of our nation. Let us hope the military listen to the 80% supporting a coup.

Orac · February 22, 2012

The fugitive is preparing the ground for his return as president of our nation. Let us hope the military listen to the 80% supporting a coup.

Dodgy statistics by the sound of it. Surely if that many people supported the coup but then 5 years later Thaksins party managed to secure very nearly half the votes at an election the suggestion is people have had the chance to see first hand what the alternatives were and have decided the grass wasn't greener on the other side at all.

tlansford · February 22, 2012

Quite.

The former-PM should spell out, just what is "our goal" which he is aiming for, if it isn't a democracy with normal legal-constraints & checks-and-balances on whatever government is in-power ?

Many posters fear that the apparent 'cult-of-personality' which has been carefully-crafted over the past decade, and the objective of an unassailable single-party dominating all the reigns-of-power, are aimed at a dictatorship rather than a democracy where parties compete to deliver improvements for the poor & the country as-a-whole.

Other posters seem blissfully-unaware of the possibility.

The rest of that quote reads :

The goal is to give people a good lifestyle, happiness, and national progress.

You can find it here, for example : http://aliran.com/221.html

Thanks, that's an interesting article, pity things like that don't get published here.

I was struck by the sentence "Criticism was also levelled against the high-handed CEO's way of trying to rule by bypassing parliament and curbing critical civil society groups". So not much change there, over the past several years, if the OP is to be believed.

My comments about Thaksin's 'cult-of-personality' and the risk of a dictatorship stand.

The authors of one of the books mentioned, Pasuk & Baker, wrote a good book on the History of Thailand. Worth looking for. Their book on Thaksin mentioned in the article sounds like it would be a good to read as well.

bigbamboo · February 22, 2012

This story must be a total fabrication, as Thaksin announced years ago, that he had "Quit Thai politics", so he surely couldn't now be deciding when to hold elections, or who to put into what Cabinet-seat. Or is his word simply not to be trusted ?

And his view of 'true democracy' that means dominating the political base in all areas, or dominating the Constitution-ammendment body, surely even his most-loyal & fervent admirers must agree, that would be a dictatorship, not a democracy ?

Worrying times for Thailand, while he continues to seek to strengthen his already-too-strong grip on power, rather than to help the poor to improve their lives through better-education or improved economic-opportunities.

Ah but that will all come, suggest his supporters, once he's firmly and irrevocably in-control. Famous Last Words !

Unless the writer for the Nation was present at the meeting, just how exactly would he know all the details?

Did the benevolent Chinese hosts prepare a transcript?

Was the writer briefed by Mr. Thaksin?

Frankly, I can do without these unfounded claims. I can also do without mention of Mr. Thaksin for some time. The Nation should consider another obsession.

Agree, this must be nonsense. Thaksin has said on many occasions that he is no longer interested in Thai politics any more but only in making money and playing golf. So this story cannot possibly be true or else how could he ever be trusted again?

Edited February 22, 2012 by bigbamboo

sirchai · February 22, 2012

Why do i always get a diarrhea attack when reading something about this pirck? Is it because he's so full of sith?

Looks like it goes on and on like before. Like the tablets for the first graders......

Edited February 22, 2012 by sirchai

sparebox2 · February 22, 2012

The fugitive is preparing the ground for his return as president of our nation. Let us hope the military listen to the 80% supporting a coup.

Becareful. You could go to jail by just using the word "president".

Buchholz · February 22, 2012

The fugitive is preparing the ground for his return as president of our nation. Let us hope the military listen to the 80% supporting a coup.

Becareful. You could go to jail by just using the word "president".

probably why they were so quick with their feigned denials...

Reds deny distributing stickers promoting Thaksin as president

BANGKOK: -- The red shirts had no involvement in the stickers with a message to promote "New Thai State under President Thaksin Shinawatra", their leader Natthawut Saikua said on Tuesday.

The stickers, with white message on red background, were distributed in public places along Silom Road.

Natthawut urged police to look into the matter and arrest the distributors.

-- The Nation 2010-04-20

Edited February 22, 2012 by Buchholz

virtualtraveller · February 22, 2012

I wouldn't be surprised if details like this are deliberately leaked to the Nation, and the Nation runs these scare-mongering articles to help sell papers. Reality is, the playing fields are vastly different from 2005 when Thaksin's popularity was at its zenith. He has since been exposed as a corrupt, selfish and mean individual willing to drag the whole country through the mud for his own whitewash, and even now we can see clear examples of fishy decisions in the govt aimed at creating opportunities for himself. Winning over the Bangkok middle class, and anywhere South of Hua Hin, this time around will be far more difficult. He has far more enemies now, and angered alot of people whom he will have to leave out in the cold as revenge, and owes enormous debt of gratitude and reward to those who were loyal. Their expectations are high, the UDD is an unweildy monster who needs to be kept fed, and PT remains a factional party in which more BJTs can be lured away if the infighting sets in. Besides, the establishment have all sorts of dirt on him and it wouldn't surprise me if PT gets dissolved and Yingluck disqualified sooner or later.

Thaksin is a man of boundless ambition, unrealistically so, his judgment of his popularity post election his sky high, but can he deliver and will it make much difference beyond the vast brainwashed masses.

Pity he doesn't seem to realise that one way or another the moment he steps off the plane the PAD and a lot of others will pull a 'Ratchaprasong' on govt and the army aint going bail him out this time. If that doesn't work, a bullet is probably an option on the table. And if he gets too powerful, there'll be another coup, and once again a lot of people will come out in support. There's a great deal of people who despise him and a lot of influential people willing to block his return, they're giving Yingluck a honeymoon, but they'll soon learn.

MrSnrang · February 22, 2012

Interesting that some people think the Democrats should have been disbanded for being stupid. That would mean that the PTP would be banned 10 times over.

They're getting there. They've been banned twice before. This is the third iteration of the Thai Rak Thai party.

CalgaryII · February 22, 2012

Every level, off course, means total dictatorship. I fear for the future of Thailand with this meglomaniac pulling to strings.

Not to worry ianf

Don't worry, be happy.

If things were that bad, I trust the electorate to do something about it.

Not coup-ists......electorates.

I have been searching dictionaries everywhere for a meaning for the word coup-ists. Is this something else you have made up along with the rest of the bull in your posts and the selective replies you give?

made up coup-ists, also FROC-flogging, I'm particularly proud of that one. What about PADites which was another creation, and Bye Bye Ms. Y.

There were several others which come to mind when they are needed.

CalgaryII · February 22, 2012

I wouldn't be surprised if details like this are deliberately leaked to the Nation, and the Nation runs these scare-mongering articles to help sell papers. Reality is, the playing fields are vastly different from 2005 when Thaksin's popularity was at its zenith. He has since been exposed as a corrupt, selfish and mean individual willing to drag the whole country through the mud for his own whitewash, and even now we can see clear examples of fishy decisions in the govt aimed at creating opportunities for himself. Winning over the Bangkok middle class, and anywhere South of Hua Hin, this time around will be far more difficult. He has far more enemies now, and angered alot of people whom he will have to leave out in the cold as revenge, and owes enormous debt of gratitude and reward to those who were loyal. Their expectations are high, the UDD is an unweildy monster who needs to be kept fed, and PT remains a factional party in which more BJTs can be lured away if the infighting sets in. Besides, the establishment have all sorts of dirt on him and it wouldn't surprise me if PT gets dissolved and Yingluck disqualified sooner or later.

Thaksin is a man of boundless ambition, unrealistically so, his judgment of his popularity post election his sky high, but can he deliver and will it make much difference beyond the vast brainwashed masses.

Pity he doesn't seem to realise that one way or another the moment he steps off the plane the PAD and a lot of others will pull a 'Ratchaprasong' on govt and the army aint going bail him out this time. If that doesn't work, a bullet is probably an option on the table. And if he gets too powerful, there'll be another coup, and once again a lot of people will come out in support. There's a great deal of people who despise him and a lot of influential people willing to block his return, they're giving Yingluck a honeymoon, but they'll soon learn.

I do believe you and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum with respect to Thai politics Virtual traveler.

I can't for the life of me find anything in this Post with which I can agree. But I'm too lazy to counter all your points as easy as it would be to do, and it is too late.

CalgaryII · February 22, 2012

Interesting that some people think the Democrats should have been disbanded for being stupid. That would mean that the PTP would be banned 10 times over.

They're getting there. They've been banned twice before. This is the third iteration of the Thai Rak Thai party.

This is one of the main reasons there is such a push to deep-six the coup constitution, to take away the self-serving bomblets the Opposition built into it.

whybother · February 22, 2012

Interesting that some people think the Democrats should have been disbanded for being stupid. That would mean that the PTP would be banned 10 times over.

They're getting there. They've been banned twice before. This is the third iteration of the Thai Rak Thai party.

This is one of the main reasons there is such a push to deep-six the coup constitution, to take away the self-serving bomblets the Opposition built into it.

And to legalise Thaksin's corruption.

phiphidon · February 22, 2012

The fugitive is preparing the ground for his return as president of our nation. Let us hope the military listen to the 80% supporting a coup.

Becareful. You could go to jail by just using the word "president".

probably why they were so quick with their feigned denials...

Reds deny distributing stickers promoting Thaksin as president

BANGKOK: -- The red shirts had no involvement in the stickers with a message to promote "New Thai State under President Thaksin Shinawatra", their leader Natthawut Saikua said on Tuesday.

The stickers, with white message on red background, were distributed in public places along Silom Road.

Natthawut urged police to look into the matter and arrest the distributors.

-- The Nation 2010-04-20

And you know for sure they were "feigned" denials. Do you really think the red shirts would do that, no don't tell me , you do.Forget it.

rubl · February 22, 2012

begin removed, program complained about mismatch of quotes/end-quotes ...

And you know for sure they were "feigned" denials. Do you really think the red shirts would do that, no don't tell me , you do.Forget it.

'THE' red-shirts wouldn't do that. Some of the UDD leaders now, that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Edited February 22, 2012 by rubl

phiphidon · February 22, 2012

begin removed, program complained about mismatch of quotes/end-quotes ...

And you know for sure they were "feigned" denials. Do you really think the red shirts would do that, no don't tell me , you do.Forget it.

'THE' red-shirts wouldn't do that. Some of the UDD leaders now, that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Do you really think that? Who do you have in mind strolling down the road sticking up messages on lamp posts, Thida, Jatturporn?

animatic · February 22, 2012

quote name='CalgaryII' timestamp='1329885376' post='5077248'

There is the 'fugitive' thing again. The Opposition seems to think that repetition best serves their agenda. Who am I to argue.

Use of this term is agenda, pure and simple.

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Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailandâ€™s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

.

I have experienced this with a lot of Thaksin haters.

They are so intent on it, they save whatever the Opposition has fed them, and regurgitate it at every opportunity.

In this case using foreign media, the author thinks it better supports their indoctrination-by-Opposition.

This surfaces an entirely different subject matter, that being the copying and paraphrasing of local media by the foreign press.

I experienced this significantly on a recent trip to Europe. When discussing Thai politics with discerning European contacts, it was like talking to the Thai Opposition.

All that aside, the repetitive and often humorously misplaced use of the term in the interest of saying it as often as possible, is political agenda.

See my Post #16 above for support of this notion. No point in repeating myself.

It is perfectly normal for a biased media outlet to try to shape the vocabulary around a debate in their favor. Consider Fox News term "the job-creator class" in lieu of "the 1%", or older attempts from vested interests like the term "death-tax" in lieu of estate tax or inheritance tax.

Edit : your own term "coup-ist" to describe those powerful interests who feel that coups are a useful tool to protect their own self-interests is yet another way to shape the vocabulary around the debate.

Yes, but the prolific poster seems to be rewriting history and recokons that Abhisit was part of the Coup, which off course he wasn't. So he's using the word to try and twist a weak argument in his favour. Also he does not seem to have a good command of the English language!

Yes tell the same lie the same way over and over again,

and some people will start parroting the falsehood.

Doesn't make it truth, but it changes histories perception of what happened.

Abhisit was not part of the coup, but they want him painted that way,

because he is an effective public speaker and that is a danger to them,

so throw the mud till the cows come home. Quwai not.

rubl · February 22, 2012

begin removed, program complained about mismatch of quotes/end-quotes ...

And you know for sure they were "feigned" denials. Do you really think the red shirts would do that, no don't tell me , you do.Forget it.

'THE' red-shirts wouldn't do that. Some of the UDD leaders now, that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Do you really think that? Who do you have in mind strolling down the road sticking up messages on lamp posts, Thida, Jatturporn?

As an opinion written down without malice or defamating intentions, reviewing some PTV and other shoutcasts, I think it not to be too unlikely that a few UDD leaders might have induced some of their members to stick up some 'nice' messages.

Remember that when our local reporter Nick Nostitz asked about the 'red-shirts only' labels on boats provided during the flooding disaster, the answer he came back with was 'they thought it was cool'.

K. Thaksin has nothing to do with this particular item. As for the OP he may be standing behind his people, but from far, far away (assuming he is not pressured by his daughters to go shopping in Paris)

ADD: my excuses, I forgot to ask: what's your opinion on this ?

Edited February 22, 2012 by rubl

Buchholz · February 22, 2012

begin removed, program complained about mismatch of quotes/end-quotes ...

And you know for sure they were "feigned" denials. Do you really think the red shirts would do that, no don't tell me , you do.Forget it.

'THE' red-shirts wouldn't do that. Some of the UDD leaders now, that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Since the Reds put his sticker on flood relief boats, they'd consider this as just another batch of stickers to proclaim him President.

Edit to Add: and yes, like nostitz noted.... they'd have thought it was cool to put up the presidential stickers.

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Edited February 22, 2012 by Buchholz

MAJIC · February 22, 2012

Is it time to rid Thailand of the Shinawatra dynasty?

I would have thought they have been on "overstay" for at least a decade.

MAJIC · February 22, 2012

Every level, off course, means total dictatorship. I fear for the future of Thailand with this meglomaniac pulling to strings.

Not to worry ianf

Don't worry, be happy.

If things were that bad, I trust the electorate to do something about it.

Not coup-ists......electorates.

I have been searching dictionaries everywhere for a meaning for the word coup-ists. Is this something else you have made up along with the rest of the bull in your posts and the selective replies you give?

made up coup-ists, also FROC-flogging, I'm particularly proud of that one. What about PADites which was another creation, and Bye Bye Ms. Y.

There were several others which come to mind when they are needed.

Well feel free to keep them to yourself,there's enough of your incessant barrage of polution,already.

blows · February 22, 2012

Any chance the whole Shinawatra family go into self exile?

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