Remove Amalgam Fillings

[beammeup]

Hi I am thinking of getting my amalgam fillings removed as I am becoming enlightened about the effects of mercury. Is there somewhere that will remove them safely and fill them with some other material? I live in the south but travel through bangkok frequently

[maxme]

I live in Bangkok and have been using Bangkok Smile Dental Clinic for years. I'm really happy with the service and the doctors' performance. Got a lot of complicated work done there including fillings and crowns and all turned out perfect. The clinic is on Asoke road which is easily accessed by BTS. Here goes their website www.bangkoksmiledental.com

[Attol]

I too want to have mine removed and do not want to hear the debate about it but want to know if there is a dentist who indeed does specialise in this particular thing as it does require more then a good dentist. It requires someone knowledgeable in this department.

[Ijustwannateach]

I don't know if my dentist was specially knowledgeable about amalgam replacement, but as I have sadly reached that age at which childhood fillings begin to break down, as I have needed replacements I have requested the white, tooth-matching 'resin' fillings and they seem to work just fine and be widely available even in down-market dentists' offices.

[JSixpack]

http://quackwatch.com/search/webglimpse.cgi?ID=1&query=amalgam

[beammeup]

http://quackwatch.co...1&query=amalgam

A good example of mis-information. As a poster previously said, i also am not interested in debating the subject, I am convinced. I just want this poison out of my head

[beammeup]

If anyone is interested, I have come accross this link that looks very promising Thailand Dental Treatment Costs and Prices by Thantakit Dental Bangkok Thailand

[beammeup]

[MisterMan]

Quackwatch is funded by the pharmaceutical industry. Someone pays a lot of money to be Number 1 on google.

Just research the "owner" of quackwatch.

I did hear there was a Geramn Dentist here in Rawai........ need to follow up.

And i have spoken to people who had their analagras removed and said they felt better.

Poisen in head = feel bad

Poisen out = feel better.

It is very simple. Mercury is poisen right?

[Ijustwannateach]

No doubt it is probably better to have it out and remove any chance of the Hg affecting things. Until, that is, long term use of the resin is discovered to have some other problem, as I'm sure will eventually happen....

[Jayman]

I had mine pulled cause of the same reasons of the OP and replaced with the non Hg ones. To be quite honest, I had mine done at the dentist I always see at BPH and even though she was more than happy to do it she was not specialized in it. I was probably exposed to more Hg having the pulled but I'm still happy to have them out of me. I looked around and couldn't find a biologically aware dentist that had the equipment and knowledge to do the job properly.

That being said, the dentist was probably exposed to as much Hg during the removal procedure and even though I made it clear to her she didn't seem to think there was any harm in it.

[beammeup]

I've had work done were they use the dam before so thats not a problem, if the ventilation was adequate I would go for the local guy.

[payanak]

There is no such thing as a "specialist" in amalgam removal and replacement. Any dentist making such a claim is taking advantage of an ignorant public.

Any dentist trained in the last 30+ years is competant at placing white fillings. Replacement of old amalgam fillings that are in satisfactory condition merely for esthetics or some perceived health benefit is commonly done but is still somewhat frowned upon in developed countries. It is often done bucause dentists are, well, businessmen and the economy has reduced the patient base of most practices. Be aware that the average life expectancy of a well done white filling is less than that of the same size amalgam filling. Best of luck to you whatever you decide.

[maxme]

It's also like the dentists didnt really wanna touch those big ans deep amalgams, They said the nerves could be accidentally harmed in the process and that couls result in something big like root canal.

[ericg1953]

I have used Dr. Suivimol at Dental Hospital Bangkok on Sukhumvit 49 across from Villa Market. She studied operative dentistry in the states and all she does is fillings and she is very skilled and has great hands. I have seen her for years and she has replaced alot of my old silver fillings. I also feel her prices are reasonable. She works only on Wednesdays and Sundays. So for fillings only she is the best...if you need other work done there are alot of capable specialists there as well. Btw...Dental Hosp BKK has been highly recommended on this forum for years.

[impulse]

After you get the amalgams removed, don't forget to go to the hospital and get your blood tested for Hg. Grinding up the amalgams is expected to release some quantity of Hg into your saliva and you can swallow quite a bit.

It's been recommended to have chelation treatments after removing the amalgams.

But please don't take my word for anything medical. I'm not an expert, just interested -and on my way to having mine replaced with non-metallic alternative. Do the Googling yourself for your own wellbeing.

Edited March 11, 2012 by impulse

[Soutpeel]

It is very simple. Mercury is poisen right?

As is botox, but this doesnt stop people getting injected into their faces.

[Soutpeel]

_{Rather than people making knee jerk reactions to this issue....maybe an infomed decision is better...}

"A person with seven fillings, which is average, absorbs only about one microgram of mercury daily. About six micrograms are absorbed daily from food, water and air, according to the Environmental Protection Agency"

_{http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090402143746.htm}

_{As to people feeling better after removal....placebo effect in action ?}

[JSixpack]

It's been recommended to have chelation treatments after removing the amalgams.

Heh, heh. Yep, I can imagine it would be!

[how241]

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

[Soutpeel]

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

Which "gases" would these be ? elemental mercury ?.....evolution of elemental mercury in vapour form from liquid Hg is very dependent on temperature.

The fact the mercury itself is held with in an amalgam with silver,copper tin and tin forming a stable alloy, very difficult to understand where "gases" would come from ?.....if you took the amalgam itself and started heating it up significantly then yes would suggest you could possibly get elemental Hg vapour coming off ....but this is not what happens when you drill a filling out at the dentist.

I would suggest we are bordering on an urban legend or a clever market ploy by a dentist

[Robroy]

There is a lot of good science on the poisonous nature of mercury amalgams, & you are wise to want to replace them.

It is vital to have this done properly as if done improperly it can redistribute mercury around the body & cause significant health problems. There are several forums for people who are suffering from these effects.

I don't live in Thailand but I have a friend in BKK who is writing a book on this phenomenon, & can put you onto him if you want further advice. PM me.

There is no such thing as a "specialist" in amalgam removal and replacement. Any dentist making such a claim is taking advantage of an ignorant public.

Any dentist trained in the last 30+ years is competant at placing white fillings. Replacement of old amalgam fillings that are in satisfactory condition merely for esthetics or some perceived health benefit is commonly done but is still somewhat frowned upon in developed countries. It is often done bucause dentists are, well, businessmen and the economy has reduced the patient base of most practices. Be aware that the average life expectancy of a well done white filling is less than that of the same size amalgam filling. Best of luck to you whatever you decide.

[Soutpeel]

There is a lot of good science on the poisonous nature of mercury amalgams, & you are wise to want to replace them.

It is vital to have this done properly as if done improperly it can redistribute mercury around the body & cause significant health problems. There are several forums for people who are suffering from these effects.

I don't live in Thailand but I have a friend in BKK who is writing a book on this phenomenon, & can put you onto him if you want further advice. PM me.

There is a lot of scaremongering quackary called science floating around

[beammeup]

I found a local dentist that removed one for me today. She used a rubber dam and hi flow suction. Did a great job. 10 more to go. I am using coriander, ALA, Spirulina instead of Chlorella and sunflower seeds for the selenium for the self administered chelation therapy, all cheap and easy.

Southpeel, I went to that link and though interesting one of the studies he uses was not very convincing towards his argument. Here are the last 2 paragraphs

The scientists found that the surfaces of metal fillings seem to lose up to 95 percent of their mercury over time. Loss of potentially toxic mercury from amalgam may be due to evaporation, exposure to some kinds of dental hygiene products, exposure to certain foods, or other factors.

The scientists caution that "human exposure to mercury lost from fillings is still of concern."

[Robroy]

www.bangkokdentalcenter.com are an amalgam free practice and for an extra $20/hour ( I think) they provide oxygen.

There is a lot of good science on the poisonous nature of mercury amalgams, & you are wise to want to replace them.

It is vital to have this done properly as if done improperly it can redistribute mercury around the body & cause significant health problems. There are several forums for people who are suffering from these effects.

I don't live in Thailand but I have a friend in BKK who is writing a book on this phenomenon, & can put you onto him if you want further advice. PM me.

There is no such thing as a "specialist" in amalgam removal and replacement. Any dentist making such a claim is taking advantage of an ignorant public.

Any dentist trained in the last 30+ years is competant at placing white fillings. Replacement of old amalgam fillings that are in satisfactory condition merely for esthetics or some perceived health benefit is commonly done but is still somewhat frowned upon in developed countries. It is often done bucause dentists are, well, businessmen and the economy has reduced the patient base of most practices. Be aware that the average life expectancy of a well done white filling is less than that of the same size amalgam filling. Best of luck to you whatever you decide.

[Robroy]

Those would be mercury vapors that escape 24/7 from amalgam fillings as a result of body heat, food heat and mechanical friction from chewing, as measured in several experiments - I can dig out the papers if you wish.

The vapor then crosses into the bloodstream via the mouth mucosal tissue.

Thereafter mercury migrates to the vital organs, including the brain. In the brain it gradually transforms from organic to inorganic, meaning it cannot then cross back across the blood-brain barrier. (The only known substance that can chelate it out of the brain at that point is alpha lipoic acid, administered on a constant dose (not sporadic) basis.)

Brain mercury is linked with numerous neurological conditions.

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

Which "gases" would these be ? elemental mercury ?.....evolution of elemental mercury in vapour form from liquid Hg is very dependent on temperature.

The fact the mercury itself is held with in an amalgam with silver,copper tin and tin forming a stable alloy, very difficult to understand where "gases" would come from ?.....if you took the amalgam itself and started heating it up significantly then yes would suggest you could possibly get elemental Hg vapour coming off ....but this is not what happens when you drill a filling out at the dentist.

I would suggest we are bordering on an urban legend or a clever market ploy by a dentist

Edited March 11, 2012 by Robroy

[KeyserSoze01]

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

This is why finding the proper dentist to perform the removal is important. I am going through removal of all amalgam fillings myself and on recommendation, I require the dentist to use a full dental dam for each tooth to isolate the area when the grinding takes place to capture any loose material so I don't ingest it.

What burns me up is that the AMA and FDA refuse to address the issue that they have condoned the insertion of poison into the mouths of hundreds of thousands of people over the generations.

[JSixpack]

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

Reminds me I need to see Ghostbusters again, thanks.

[Soutpeel]

Those would be mercury vapors that escape 24/7 from amalgam fillings as a result of body heat, food heat and mechanical friction from chewing, as measured in several experiments - I can dig out the papers if you wish.

The vapor then crosses into the bloodstream via the mouth mucosal tissue.

Thereafter mercury migrates to the vital organs, including the brain. In the brain it gradually transforms from organic to inorganic, meaning it cannot then cross back across the blood-brain barrier. (The only known substance that can chelate it out of the brain at that point is alpha lipoic acid, administered on a constant dose (not sporadic) basis.)

Brain mercury is linked with numerous neurological conditions.

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

Which "gases" would these be ? elemental mercury ?.....evolution of elemental mercury in vapour form from liquid Hg is very dependent on temperature.

The fact the mercury itself is held with in an amalgam with silver,copper tin and tin forming a stable alloy, very difficult to understand where "gases" would come from ?.....if you took the amalgam itself and started heating it up significantly then yes would suggest you could possibly get elemental Hg vapour coming off ....but this is not what happens when you drill a filling out at the dentist.

I would suggest we are bordering on an urban legend or a clever market ploy by a dentist

Rather than me quoting reputable metallurgical studys on almagam filling...maybe try reading these:

http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/committees/04_scenihr/docs/scenihr_o_016.pdf

http://prospect.rsc.org/metalsandlife/9.16b.pdf

I stand by my statement...lots of scare mongering and quackery around this issue

[beammeup]

Those would be mercury vapors that escape 24/7 from amalgam fillings as a result of body heat, food heat and mechanical friction from chewing, as measured in several experiments - I can dig out the papers if you wish.

The vapor then crosses into the bloodstream via the mouth mucosal tissue.

Thereafter mercury migrates to the vital organs, including the brain. In the brain it gradually transforms from organic to inorganic, meaning it cannot then cross back across the blood-brain barrier. (The only known substance that can chelate it out of the brain at that point is alpha lipoic acid, administered on a constant dose (not sporadic) basis.)

Brain mercury is linked with numerous neurological conditions.

I had read before, that it is better to leave in the old silver filings. When they are removed, dangerous gases can be released during the drilling out process. There are dentist who have special equiptment to catch those gases.

Which "gases" would these be ? elemental mercury ?.....evolution of elemental mercury in vapour form from liquid Hg is very dependent on temperature.

The fact the mercury itself is held with in an amalgam with silver,copper tin and tin forming a stable alloy, very difficult to understand where "gases" would come from ?.....if you took the amalgam itself and started heating it up significantly then yes would suggest you could possibly get elemental Hg vapour coming off ....but this is not what happens when you drill a filling out at the dentist.

I would suggest we are bordering on an urban legend or a clever market ploy by a dentist

Rather than me quoting reputable metallurgical studys on almagam filling...maybe try reading these:

http://ec.europa.eu/...enihr_o_016.pdf

http://prospect.rsc.org/metalsandlife/9.16b.pdf

I stand by my statement...lots of scare mongering and quackery around this issue

I read the top one the bottom one opened but there were no pages?? Anyway A lot of information on groups with amalgams who eat fish and those that don't, hard to follow as some measurments were ug/l some were ug/g some were urine and some were blood, regardless people with amalgams had more mercury in their blood and urine than people without. It says the daily tolerable dose of mercury is 30ug, according to the WHO, then it says "The daily uptake of mercury from amalgam fillings is estimated to be up to 27 μg/day in individuals with large numbers of fillings" There is a lot of guessing and estimations going on here. Even in their conclusion on Amalgam fillings they say

"It is recognized that mercury which is the major metallic element used in dental

amalgam, does constitute a toxicological hazard in general, with reasonably well defined

characteristics for the major forms of exposure. It is accepted that the reduction in use of

mercury in human activity would be beneficial, both for the general decrease in human

exposure and from environmental considerations"

Then they go on to say that there is no unequivocal evidence to support relationships between the use of mercury containing amalgam and a wide variety of adverse systemic health effects. I think we all have to draw our own conclusions. I still want to reduce the number of Amalgams down to around 5. My memory is probably bad from substance abuse but if its from the mercury then i'd like to do something about it.