Smithson Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Does anyone know where to get legume innoculant? I've planted several varieties of legumes, some of which have developed the nitrogen fixing nodules while others haven't. Cow manure was used where ever I planted, but still about half the planted areas don't have nodules. If an innoculant can't be bought, is there someway I can use the plants or soil from the areas with nodules to spread the necessary bacteria to other areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice555 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hello Smithson, there's an older farming thread I think started by PondLife on this subject, with sources. I only know US sources. PVF at groworganic.com is one, and I think Dr. Treelove knows this place! I don't know if they ship Int.??? Johnny's does ship Int. From your keyboard to you. http://www.johnnyseeds.com/ rice555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaanAussie Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Compost my son, compost. A drier mix will produce more fungal microbes. You can also use worm castings or the residual compost from the worm beds. EM and a little fish extract in an aerated compost tea as a soil drench is another to try to "fix" the nitrogen issue. Anything to get the microbes working with the roots. Edited March 16, 2012 by IsaanAussie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatersEdge Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hi Smithson and friends, It is my understanding that legume innoculants are host species specific. Yes...say that one three times fast...I'm rather tongue tied to start with. The only name that comes to mind is the Soybean nitrogen fixing bacteria Bradyrhizobium japonicum. Pick a legume...it has a bacterial partner, which if not introduced in some way to a field missing it cannot magically appear by random. From a bit on the seed, or from a carrying live plant from another field, or by cultured material or even dry roots from another field could be expected to "infect" in a positive way, the soil. Think of innoculant bacteria as similar to yeast, just with a different purpose. Just as there are species of yeast, there also are many species of legume innoculant. I note and point out in your statement...some species have nodules and some do not. This bears evidence of my point. Your soil is already infected with the bacteria species for the nodulized plants, but not yet infected for the non-nodulized species. I asked my Thailand fertilizer dealer some years ago to find B. japonicum, and she did find it at an Ag University, but it's been far too long ago for me to remember which University. I'm now in the US, where many things are more available, if the crops happen to be common to US agriculture Soybean, Pinto Bean, Alfalfa, Peanut...to quickly list the majors An interesting related topic is that some plants not technically legumes, apparently have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria, causing the pair of them to fix nitrogen I'm admittedly in over my head on this topic, but once I was soundly corrected when I said Sweet Potato is a legume. It is NOT a legume, but there is a symbiosis which has the same effect. Don't ask me to elaborate, the man who corrected me I wish was available to teach us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Peters Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Hi Smithson and friends, It is my understanding that legume innoculants are host species specific. Yes...say that one three times fast...I'm rather tongue tied to start with. The only name that comes to mind is the Soybean nitrogen fixing bacteria Bradyrhizobium japonicum. Pick a legume...it has a bacterial partner, which if not introduced in some way to a field missing it cannot magically appear by random. From a bit on the seed, or from a carrying live plant from another field, or by cultured material or even dry roots from another field could be expected to "infect" in a positive way, the soil. Think of innoculant bacteria as similar to yeast, just with a different purpose. Just as there are species of yeast, there also are many species of legume innoculant. I note and point out in your statement...some species have nodules and some do not. This bears evidence of my point. Your soil is already infected with the bacteria species for the nodulized plants, but not yet infected for the non-nodulized species. I asked my Thailand fertilizer dealer some years ago to find B. japonicum, and she did find it at an Ag University, but it's been far too long ago for me to remember which University. I'm now in the US, where many things are more available, if the crops happen to be common to US agriculture Soybean, Pinto Bean, Alfalfa, Peanut...to quickly list the majors An interesting related topic is that some plants not technically legumes, apparently have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria, causing the pair of them to fix nitrogen I'm admittedly in over my head on this topic, but once I was soundly corrected when I said Sweet Potato is a legume. It is NOT a legume, but there is a symbiosis which has the same effect. Don't ask me to elaborate, the man who corrected me I wish was available to teach us now. Every kind of legume rhizobium can be purchased at Kasetsart Univerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice555 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Hello All, David, how bout contact info? Phone #? so we don't have to do all the leg work again? rice555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Peters Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Not sure which legume rihizobium you want. Here is the Thailand list. Thailand ABKMI WDCM698 Department of Applied Biology, Faculty of science BBPP WDCM705 Bacteriology Branch, Plant Pathology and Microbiology Division, Department of Agricultural Science BCC WDCM783 BIOTEC Culture Collection BSMB WDCM491 Bacteriology and Soil Microbiology Branch CHULA WDCM511 Microbiology Department Faculty of Science CISM WDCM75 NifTAL Rhizobium Collection (Asia Center) CMKKU WDCM684 Clinical Diagnostic Microbiology Srinagarind Hospital, Faculty of Medicine DBKKU1 WDCM687 Department of Biology, Faculty of Science DBKKU2 WDCM688 Department of Biology, Faculty of Science DBKKU3 WDCM689 Department of Biology, Faculty of Science DBMU WDCM493 Department of Biotechnology, Faculty of Science, Mahidol University DBMU2 WDCM667 Department of Biotechnology, Faculty of Science DBMU2 WDCM763 Department of Biotechnology, Faculty of Science, Mahidol University DMCMU2 WDCM694 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Medicine DMCU WDCM663 Microbiology Department, Faculty of Science DMIV WDCM64 Department of Microbiology and Immunology DMKKU1 WDCM680 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Medicine DMKKU2 WDCM681 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Medical Science DMKU WDCM669 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Science DMMU1 WDCM666 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Science DMMU3 WDCM668 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Medicine Siriraj Hospital DMST WDCM707 Department of Medical Sciences Culture Collection ERAEP WDCM706 Radiation Ecology Section, Biological Science Division, Office of Atomic Energy for Peace FTCMU WDCM690 Department of Food Science and Technology, Faculty of Agriculture IFRPD WDCM676 Institute of Food Research and Product Development, Kasetsart University KCCC WDCM969 Culture Collection of Soybean Rhizobia and Green Microalgae KKU WDCM23 MICKKU Culture Collection KUFC WDCM677 Kasetsart University Fungus Collection, Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture MBMU WDCM665 IMBG MLLD WDCM702 Microbiological Research Laboratory, Soil and Water Section, Department of Land Development MLMJI WDCM701 Department of Plant Protection, Faculty of Agricultural Production MLRU WDCM695 Microbiology Laboratory, Department of Biology, Faculty of Science MPSU WDCM492 Department of Microbiology MSCMU WDCM692 Microbiology Section, Chiang Mai University (MSCMU) MSDS WDCM494 Microbiology Section, Biological Science Division, Department of Science Services MSPP WDCM704 Mycology Section, Plant Pathology and Microbiology Division, Department of Agricultural Science MSU WDCM809 Acetobacter MTKKU WDCM685 Department of Clinical Microbiology, Faculty of Medical Technology NCSC WDCM664 National Center of Streptococcus Collection, Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Medical Science NRPSU WDCM679 Department of Agro-industry, Faculty of Natural Resources NU WDCM696 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Science PCU WDCM662 Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences PPKMI WDCM699 Plant Production Technology Department, Faculty of Agricultural Technology PPKU1 WDCM670 Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture PPKU2 WDCM671 Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture PPKU3 WDCM672 Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture PPKU4 WDCM673 Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture PPKU5 WDCM674 Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture PPKU6 WDCM675 Department of Plant Pathology, Faculty of Agriculture PTTC WDCM678 Pranakorn Teacher Training College, Department of Biology, Faculty of Science and Technology RHMU WDCM15 Department of Pathology, Faculty of Medical Science, Ramathibordi Hospital SMRG WDCM703 Soil Microbiology Research Group, Division of Soil Science, Department of Agriculture SSCMU WDCM693 Soil Science and Conservation Department Faculty of Agriculture SSKKU WDCM683 Department of Soil Science, Faculty of Agriculture SSMJI WDCM700 Science Section, Department of General Education, Faculty of Agricultural Business SWU2 WDCM697 Department of Biology, Faculty of Science TCMM WDCM661 Thai Collection of Medical Microorganism, Department of Pathology, Faculty of Veterinary Science TISTR WDCM383 TISTR Culture Collection Bangkok MIRCEN UCGE WDCM660 Unit Cell of Genetic Engineering, Department of Biochemistry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice555 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Thanks for the list David, I'm in the process of ordering new seed from the US and a stirrup hoe from a place that also has the innoculant I can use, so will add to my growing shopping cart. It's also where I've got it in the past. Again, thanks! rice555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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