Chalerm Wants Drug Runners Executed Faster

[oldsailor35]

Is there any firm evidence that one of Chalerm's sons killed a cop ? And is there any evidence that his other sons are involved in mafia type activities ?

[sysardman]

Is there any firm evidence that one of Chalerm's sons killed a cop ? And is there any evidence that his other sons are involved in mafia type activities ?

The 64,000 dollar question

[TAWP]

Is there any firm evidence that one of Chalerm's sons killed a cop ? And is there any evidence that his other sons are involved in mafia type activities ?

There was - until the son fled and the witnesses later got struck with severe cases of amnesia during the trial.

[AleG]

Is there any firm evidence that one of Chalerm's sons killed a cop ? And is there any evidence that his other sons are involved in mafia type activities ?

There was - until the son fled and the witnesses later got struck with severe cases of amnesia during the trial.

If Chalerm's sons ask "Do you know who is my father?", the safe answer is "Yes"

If Chalerm asks "Do you know who are my sons?", the safe answer is "No"

Edited March 20, 2012 by AleG

[SouthernMan3]

When will people learn? The war on drugs is stupid and doesn't stop pushers or users. It just fills the jails and the pockets of the elite. Such a shame.

Exactly.

Just fills jails.

Death penalty would solve that one in a flash !

You must live in "la la land" The Mr Bigs would just find another fool to step in as they would never get caught.

Yes, I am an idealist.

[whybother]

An interesting article in the other paper where Kanit na Nakorn, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, has accused Chalerm of "distorting the truth" regarding Thaksin's war on drugs with his [Chalerm's] statement “In fact, this issue had been scrutinised twice after the coup. Dr Kanit na Nakorn, who led an investigation panel, confirmed that there had been no extra-judicial killings'. Kanit said the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's report clearly stated that they believed crimes against humanity resulted from the War on Drugs.

[Yunla]

Thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people, some involved and some not even remotely involved in drugs, was massmurder and a 'crime against humanity'. He should be charged with those murders and the murders during his southern purge also.

Drug addiction is a personal disease, drug dealing is a social disease. The process of remedy is treatment and incarceration respectively. Many people not even connected to drug dealing died in Thaksin's massmurder spree. His actions are exhibit A in the case against government mass-executions and he will receive his punishment in this world or the next.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Yunla

[LuckyLew]

I think they should execute all politicians who make stupid remarks

[lungmi]

I think they should execute all politicians who make stupid remarks

Eye drops are a drug too.

[Ferangled]

This from a practising Buddhist?

The death penalty has no place in the 21st century, I don't care what the crime is.

It's been proved time and time again that strong deterrents make little to no impact on the drug trade.

If breathing were made illegal do you think threatening people with the death penalty would stop it? The fact is that there are rich elites in every country that make far too much off this trade to stop and there will always be those desperate enough to act the scape goat for them by becoming runners/ dealers.... let alone the hypocrisy coming from someone like Chalerm, stumbling drunk that he is.

[Fozfromoz]

When will people learn? The war on drugs is stupid and doesn't stop pushers or users. It just fills the jails and the pockets of the elite. Such a shame.

Exactly.

Just fills jails.

Death penalty would solve that one in a flash !

Death penalty would solve Bangkok gridlock in a flash also. Good idea!

Not to mention bus travel may be made safer!

[hellodolly]

This from a practising Buddhist?

The death penalty has no place in the 21st century, I don't care what the crime is.

It's been proved time and time again that strong deterrents make little to no impact on the drug trade.

If breathing were made illegal do you think threatening people with the death penalty would stop it? The fact is that there are rich elites in every country that make far too much off this trade to stop and there will always be those desperate enough to act the scape goat for them by becoming runners/ dealers.... let alone the hypocrisy coming from someone like Chalerm, stumbling drunk that he is.

In Portugal they have proved that relaxing of the laws against drug use has actually helped curb the use of them resulting in lower policing and Jail costs.

[Ferangled]

This from a practising Buddhist?

The death penalty has no place in the 21st century, I don't care what the crime is.

It's been proved time and time again that strong deterrents make little to no impact on the drug trade.

If breathing were made illegal do you think threatening people with the death penalty would stop it? The fact is that there are rich elites in every country that make far too much off this trade to stop and there will always be those desperate enough to act the scape goat for them by becoming runners/ dealers.... let alone the hypocrisy coming from someone like Chalerm, stumbling drunk that he is.

In Portugal they have proved that relaxing of the laws against drug use has actually helped curb the use of them resulting in lower policing and Jail costs.

Not only a more effective approach but slightly more humane than calling for increased haste in murdering low level dealers and runners...

The current approach is just insanity, not just in Thailand, the US are the main culprits in this regard. It's like making smoking illegal then ignoring the tobacco companies and routinely culling anyone smoking or selling cigarettes... plain idiocy.

[lungmi]

In Georgia (USA) they are ready to murder an IQ (76) mental handicapped murder by death penalty. Against the Constitution. Chalerm is a student of Thaksin (PhD in the legal murder town of Huntsville, Texas, with the most killing by death penalty, 100% against International Law, and even 80% against US law - University of Columbia) ?????

I ask the death penalty for everyone who wants the death penalty. (Wolfgang Neuss, German satirist)

Edited July 18, 2012 by lungmi

[Beetlejuice]

Was he drunk when he made that statement? In the photo, he's bent over and supporting himself on the table edge.

If he's such a great expample of disciplinarian, why are all three of his sons such rowdy punks?

If he wants death penalties for drug dealers, then does that apply to dealers of Thailand's most harmful drug?

Will we see liquor store owners, Seagram, Chivas, and JW executives rounded up and executed? Not likely

And while Chalerm's shenanigan hypocritical grandstanding is going on, hemp is classified as a class-5 drug in Thailand, though no one has ever been stoned on hemp (can't happen, doesn't have enough THC to stone a grasshopper). Thai authorities need to learn the basics about drugs (opiates, pharma, alcohol, etc) before they can realistically criminalize them.

Same old argument, like a bad joke that’s been circulated far too long, becomes boring and in the end everyone stops listening.

If people want to over indulge in drink or tobacco, bugger up they’re health and help make the companies rich, that’s their problem if they have no sense of control. We are talking about hard drugs here, outfits run by criminal gangs and murderers in an industry that’s worth billions of $$$$$$. These people work and trade on fear. They will maim, kill and destroy anyone who they consider is a nuisance or a threat to them without mercy. They must be strictly controlled and never permitted to gain major power and footholds within the establishments and mainstream populations of any countries. The authorities are at war with drugs and those who are involved must be made fully aware that they are gambling with their lives and that dabbling in drugs cannot pay in the long term.

These manufacturers, peddlers, dealers and transporters of suffering, misery, pain and death are not wanted in the civilised world and the quicker they are wiped off the planet the better. 30 days? How about the same day they are confirmed guilty? And save the taxpayer some money into the bargain.

Drugs are the scourge of society, they destroy lives.

Of course there are going to be many of you that do not agree with this and believe the penalties on those who are associated with drugs is way too harsh. The solution is simple. DON`T DO DRUGS in any shape or form and put the dealers of poison out of business, because those that buy and use drugs are also fuelling the illicit drug industry, plus all the pain and suffering that goes with it.

[nurofiend]

Thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people, some involved and some not even remotely involved in drugs, was massmurder and a 'crime against humanity'. He should be charged with those murders and the murders during his southern purge also.

Drug addiction is a personal disease, drug dealing is a social disease. The process of remedy is treatment and incarceration respectively. Many people not even connected to drug dealing died in Thaksin's massmurder spree. His actions are exhibit A in the case against government mass-executions and he will receive his punishment in this world or the next.

listen thaksins war on drugs was terrible and i think he's a scumbag for allowing things to go as they did.

but saying "thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people", is being a bit colourful with your wording to put it mildly.

unless of course you know he actually ordered people to be killed.

[Moruya]

Thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people, some involved and some not even remotely involved in drugs, was massmurder and a 'crime against humanity'. He should be charged with those murders and the murders during his southern purge also.

Drug addiction is a personal disease, drug dealing is a social disease. The process of remedy is treatment and incarceration respectively. Many people not even connected to drug dealing died in Thaksin's massmurder spree. His actions are exhibit A in the case against government mass-executions and he will receive his punishment in this world or the next.

listen thaksins war on drugs was terrible and i think he's a scumbag for allowing things to go as they did.

but saying "thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people", is being a bit colourful with your wording to put it mildly.

unless of course you know he actually ordered people to be killed.

He authorised live rounds ergo he is a murderer.

Red logic

[nurofiend]

Thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people, some involved and some not even remotely involved in drugs, was massmurder and a 'crime against humanity'. He should be charged with those murders and the murders during his southern purge also.

Drug addiction is a personal disease, drug dealing is a social disease. The process of remedy is treatment and incarceration respectively. Many people not even connected to drug dealing died in Thaksin's massmurder spree. His actions are exhibit A in the case against government mass-executions and he will receive his punishment in this world or the next.

listen thaksins war on drugs was terrible and i think he's a scumbag for allowing things to go as they did.

but saying "thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people", is being a bit colourful with your wording to put it mildly.

unless of course you know he actually ordered people to be killed.

He authorised live rounds ergo he is a murderer.

Red logic

are you unsarcastically saying "he authorised live rounds ergo he is a murderer"?

[Yunla]

listen thaksins war on drugs was terrible and i think he's a scumbag for allowing things to go as they did.

but saying "thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people", is being a bit colourful with your wording to put it mildly.

unless of course you know he actually ordered people to be killed.

Its pretty simple logic. When a leader orders thousands of people to be shot dead without trial, and then those people are shot dead without trial, then the reason they have been shot dead without trial is because the leader ordered it. The leader does not need to pull the trigger himself to become a massmurderer.

That is the importance of having a good leader as opposed to having just any old bug-eyed psychotic in charge of the nation. Thaksin could have ordered drug-dealers to be leg-chained in work gangs, and for the convicts to spend years digging and building. He could have got them to build schools and children's playgrounds, or water-management construction etc. Then they would have improved Thailand.

That type of work-gang system has double value because if the 'drug dealer' is infact not an actual drug dealer, just a dissident for example, they don't get shot dead and instead they get to build children's climbing frames or Bmx tracks. The possibilities are limitless, the uses a convict can be put to for the betterment of society, if you don't shoot them in the head first.

The police also hire groups of gunmen to help them when they have a lot of killing to do. Personal vendettas are settled in the name of justice. Bonuses are paid by numbers caught. Opponents of the state, dissidents, dissenters, all can be labelled drug addicts and shot by armed gangs in the name of a 'drug war'.

"The line dividing police and professional gunmen is so thin as to be nonexistent. Some police (and military) moonlight as professional gunmen. Others retire to this profession. Some senior officers run gangs of gunmen. The police sometimes hire outside help in cases which are difficult to manage by normal police methods, or which are simply unlikely to be monitored" [Dr. Pasuk Phongpaichit]

Edited July 18, 2012 by Yunla

[Moruya]

Thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people, some involved and some not even remotely involved in drugs, was massmurder and a 'crime against humanity'. He should be charged with those murders and the murders during his southern purge also.

Drug addiction is a personal disease, drug dealing is a social disease. The process of remedy is treatment and incarceration respectively. Many people not even connected to drug dealing died in Thaksin's massmurder spree. His actions are exhibit A in the case against government mass-executions and he will receive his punishment in this world or the next.

listen thaksins war on drugs was terrible and i think he's a scumbag for allowing things to go as they did.

but saying "thaksin ordering the executions of 2500+ people", is being a bit colourful with your wording to put it mildly.

unless of course you know he actually ordered people to be killed.

He authorised live rounds ergo he is a murderer.

Red logic

are you unsarcastically saying "he authorised live rounds ergo he is a murderer"?

Gosh! The power of literacy

[Mosha]

Kill them fast before they are able to tell someone who is the boss?????

Exactly!! before they have a chance to appeal and rat out the Mr. Bigs up the food chain for a lighter sentence or a reversal of verdict. It's called the system covering its own back. Silence and close down the information source and chain which would really start to impact the drug trade if they wanted to.

30 days is plenty of time to talk a lot !

I thought 90 days was Chalerm's favourite time frame.

[SouthernMan3]

Kill them fast before they are able to tell someone who is the boss?????

Exactly!! before they have a chance to appeal and rat out the Mr. Bigs up the food chain for a lighter sentence or a reversal of verdict. It's called the system covering its own back. Silence and close down the information source and chain which would really start to impact the drug trade if they wanted to.

30 days is plenty of time to talk a lot !

I thought 90 days was Chalerm's favourite time frame.

How about life in prison if they rat on the big guys and it is confirmed, of course?

[AleG]

Was he drunk when he made that statement? In the photo, he's bent over and supporting himself on the table edge.

If he's such a great expample of disciplinarian, why are all three of his sons such rowdy punks?

If he wants death penalties for drug dealers, then does that apply to dealers of Thailand's most harmful drug?

Will we see liquor store owners, Seagram, Chivas, and JW executives rounded up and executed? Not likely

And while Chalerm's shenanigan hypocritical grandstanding is going on, hemp is classified as a class-5 drug in Thailand, though no one has ever been stoned on hemp (can't happen, doesn't have enough THC to stone a grasshopper). Thai authorities need to learn the basics about drugs (opiates, pharma, alcohol, etc) before they can realistically criminalize them.

Same old argument, like a bad joke that’s been circulated far too long, becomes boring and in the end everyone stops listening.

If people want to over indulge in drink or tobacco, bugger up they’re health and help make the companies rich, that’s their problem if they have no sense of control. We are talking about hard drugs here, outfits run by criminal gangs and murderers in an industry that’s worth billions of $$$$$$. These people work and trade on fear. They will maim, kill and destroy anyone who they consider is a nuisance or a threat to them without mercy. They must be strictly controlled and never permitted to gain major power and footholds within the establishments and mainstream populations of any countries. The authorities are at war with drugs and those who are involved must be made fully aware that they are gambling with their lives and that dabbling in drugs cannot pay in the long term.

These manufacturers, peddlers, dealers and transporters of suffering, misery, pain and death are not wanted in the civilised world and the quicker they are wiped off the planet the better. 30 days? How about the same day they are confirmed guilty? And save the taxpayer some money into the bargain.

Drugs are the scourge of society, they destroy lives.

Of course there are going to be many of you that do not agree with this and believe the penalties on those who are associated with drugs is way too harsh. The solution is simple. DON`T DO DRUGS in any shape or form and put the dealers of poison out of business, because those that buy and use drugs are also fuelling the illicit drug industry, plus all the pain and suffering that goes with it.

Well, the thing is, that describes the US during the Prohibition Era, gangsters running the bootlegging business, "suffering, misery, pain and death" galore. It was nasty, nasty business that ended when they came to their collective senses and ended the prohibition.

So in one hand we have prohibition, that has been shown to actually cause criminal empires to raise, and in the other there's regulated permission that starves out those criminal empires.

Why people choose the one that brings more death and misery is one of the tragedies of our time.

Not that I approve of using drugs, I don't, don't even drink alcohol, heck, I don't even drink coffee; but there's one approach that works, and one that doesn't. Unfortunately the gun-ho-yet-counterproductive one is the flavour of the month century.

[philw]

This topic cannot go anywhere.

There were bigger players than Thaksin involved, including good old public opinion.

It is far to simplistic, dare i say " Leedsistic" to lay the blame for this atrocious policy entirely at his door.

[nurofiend]

since there are things you can't talk about on this forum, people should just read the wiki page about it.

[Ferangled]

Was he drunk when he made that statement? In the photo, he's bent over and supporting himself on the table edge.

If he's such a great expample of disciplinarian, why are all three of his sons such rowdy punks?

If he wants death penalties for drug dealers, then does that apply to dealers of Thailand's most harmful drug?

Will we see liquor store owners, Seagram, Chivas, and JW executives rounded up and executed? Not likely

And while Chalerm's shenanigan hypocritical grandstanding is going on, hemp is classified as a class-5 drug in Thailand, though no one has ever been stoned on hemp (can't happen, doesn't have enough THC to stone a grasshopper). Thai authorities need to learn the basics about drugs (opiates, pharma, alcohol, etc) before they can realistically criminalize them.

Same old argument, like a bad joke that’s been circulated far too long, becomes boring and in the end everyone stops listening.

If people want to over indulge in drink or tobacco, bugger up they’re health and help make the companies rich, that’s their problem if they have no sense of control. We are talking about hard drugs here, outfits run by criminal gangs and murderers in an industry that’s worth billions of $$$$$$. These people work and trade on fear. They will maim, kill and destroy anyone who they consider is a nuisance or a threat to them without mercy. They must be strictly controlled and never permitted to gain major power and footholds within the establishments and mainstream populations of any countries. The authorities are at war with drugs and those who are involved must be made fully aware that they are gambling with their lives and that dabbling in drugs cannot pay in the long term.

These manufacturers, peddlers, dealers and transporters of suffering, misery, pain and death are not wanted in the civilised world and the quicker they are wiped off the planet the better. 30 days? How about the same day they are confirmed guilty? And save the taxpayer some money into the bargain.

Drugs are the scourge of society, they destroy lives.

Of course there are going to be many of you that do not agree with this and believe the penalties on those who are associated with drugs is way too harsh. The solution is simple. DON`T DO DRUGS in any shape or form and put the dealers of poison out of business, because those that buy and use drugs are also fuelling the illicit drug industry, plus all the pain and suffering that goes with it.

outfits run by criminal gangs and murderers in an industry that’s worth billions of $$$$$$. These people work and trade on fear. They will maim, kill and destroy anyone who they consider is a nuisance or a threat to them without mercy. They must be strictly controlled and never permitted to gain major power and footholds within the establishments and mainstream populations of any countries. The authorities are at war with drugs and those who are involved must be made fully aware that they are gambling with their lives and that dabbling in drugs cannot pay in the long term...

Try googling US prohibition... have you never heard of Al Capone?!

You seem to miss the obvious point that the only reason that illegal drugs are controlled by "criminal gangs and murderers" is because they were made illegal... these drugs were legal for centuries before the US imposed their will on the world and created a lucrative market. Cocaine, Opium and Marijuana literally grew wild and never posed a problem until the US decided to take what they had learned from the prohibition of alcohol and create a big, fat cash cow which they could milk from both ends.

"never permitted to gain major power and footholds within the establishments and mainstream populations of any countries"

You are evidently very naive as to who is actually controlling this trade and at what levels the real profiteers are entrenched in society internationally.

Are you familiar with the bible at all? Burning bush, Mount Sinai.... do you have any idea what grew prolifically all over that entire area? I don't recall too many passages chronically the massive drug problem they had the time... maybe because in most religions it was never seen as a problem, on the contrary it was taken as a gift from God...

[sysardman]

In Georgia (USA) they are ready to murder an IQ (76) mental handicapped murder by death penalty. Against the Constitution. Chalerm is a student of Thaksin (PhD in the legal murder town of Huntsville, Texas, with the most killing by death penalty, 100% against International Law, and even 80% against US law - University of Columbia) ?????

I ask the death penalty for everyone who wants the death penalty. (Wolfgang Neuss, German satirist)

For the USA an IQ of 76 is considered genius

German and satirist - doesn't work does it

[Reasonableman]

In Georgia (USA) they are ready to murder an IQ (76) mental handicapped murder by death penalty. Against the Constitution. Chalerm is a student of Thaksin (PhD in the legal murder town of Huntsville, Texas, with the most killing by death penalty, 100% against International Law, and even 80% against US law - University of Columbia) ?????

I ask the death penalty for everyone who wants the death penalty. (Wolfgang Neuss, German satirist)

For the USA an IQ of 76 is considered genius

German and satirist - doesn't work does it

Keep trying.

[sysardman]

This topic cannot go anywhere.

There were bigger players than Thaksin involved, including good old public opinion.

It is far to simplistic, dare i say " Leedsistic" to lay the blame for this atrocious policy entirely at his door.

'Leedsistic' <deleted> does that mean???? I don't think Thaksin was ever a Leeds lad,

i think you're confusing him with the geordie Abhisit born and bred in Newky wayaye the lads.

[sysardman]

In Georgia (USA) they are ready to murder an IQ (76) mental handicapped murder by death penalty. Against the Constitution. Chalerm is a student of Thaksin (PhD in the legal murder town of Huntsville, Texas, with the most killing by death penalty, 100% against International Law, and even 80% against US law - University of Columbia) ?????

I ask the death penalty for everyone who wants the death penalty. (Wolfgang Neuss, German satirist)

For the USA an IQ of 76 is considered genius

German and satirist - doesn't work does it

Keep trying.

Why is over your head??? - need it in braille???