Prem, Thaksin Talks Would Not Help Peace, Poll Finds

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Prem, Thaksin talks would not help peace, poll finds

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Most Thais believe politicians are not sincere in creating reconciliation, but are using the reconciliation issue as a tool to fight for power, an opinion survey has found.

The survey was conducted by Assumption University's Abac Poll among 2,357 people in 17 provinces from March 28 to 31. The respondents were at least 18 years old.

Abac Poll Office director Dr Noppadol Kannikar said the survey was conducted in the context of whether a talk between Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda and former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra would really bring about reconciliation. The proposal was raised by Chart Thai Pattana chief adviser Sanan Kachornprasart.

Noppadol said the key findings of the survey were:

-73.3 per cent of respondents believe the reconciliation issue is used as a tool to fight for political power, while 26.7 per cent do not believe so.

-65.4 per cent believe the House committee on national reconciliation has contributed to the rifts in the country while 34.6 per cent do not believe so.

-80 per cent believe political groups are always split, while 17.7 per cent see that the ongoing political rifts started after the 2006 coup, and 2.3 per cent do not have any comment.

-61.6 per cent think the ongoing political rifts are normal under the democratic system but 38.4 per cent think the situation is not normal.

-82.4 per cent think the ongoing conflicts should be left to ease under democratic means, while 17.6 per cent think that a coup should be staged to end the conflicts.

-38.3 per cent do not think a talk between Prem and Thaksin would bring about reconciliation while 27.4 per cent believe it would, and 34.3 per cent are not certain.

Noppadol said the survey's results indicated the Thai political problems have developed beyond the issue of personal conflict, so the talk between Prem and Thaksin would not be able to solve the problems.

He said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals.

-- The Nation 2012-04-02

[jonclark]

17.6% Think a coup should be staged to end the conflict - Wow

[TomTao]

I wonder if the pollies will look at this poll and the results and say either mmmmm or nah.

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[CalgaryII]

"He (Noppadol) said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals"

I have been of the view for some time that Polls such as this one, are mostly skewed to Opposition friendly results, therefore making them an 'agenda laundering' tool. In this case, I almost gave the Poll some credibility until the last line of the article, quoted above. The research guy very clearly showed his true colors with it. The Opposition mantra, and ONLY the Opposition, try to denigrate Constitutional Reform and PTP reconciliation initiatives as having a simplistic focus on Thaksin. The research guy couldn't quite hold himself back from advancing the same agenda. It is very instructive to know the political leanings of supposedly independent polling, and the quote above reveals it in this case.

Edited April 2, 2012 by CalgaryII

[whybother]

"He (Noppadol) said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals"

I have been nof the view for some time that Polls such as this one, are mostly skewed to Oppsosition friendly results, therefore making them an 'agenda laundering' tool. In this case, I almost gave the Poll some credibility until the last line of the article, quoted above. The research guy very clearly showed his true colors with it. The Opposition mantra, and ONLY the Opposition, try to denigrate Constitutional Reform and PTP reconciliation initiatives as having a simplistic focus on Thaksin. The research guy couldn't quite hold himself back from advancing the same agenda. It is very instructive to know the political leanings of supposedly independent polling, and the quote above reveals it in this case.

So you think reconciliation is all about the individual, and the the causes of the problems should be ignored?

[CalgaryII]

17.6% think a coup would end political conflict. .........Given the leanings of this Pollster, that is spurious, but assuming it has some partial validity, shows real ignorance on the part of some people. If they think 2006 ended political conflict, is an opinion beyond belief........ If there were people who said this, perhaps they are the same ones who cheered the PAD border adventures. Same kind of mindset.

[Crushdepth]

17.6% think a coup would end political conflict. .........Given the leanings of this Pollster, that is spurious, but assuming it has some partial validity, shows real ignorance on the part of some people. If they think 2006 ended political conflict, is an opinion beyond belief........ If there were people who said this, perhaps they are the same ones who cheered the PAD border adventures. Same kind of mindset.

Other, equally ignorant people think a political amnesty will end the conflict. This government came to power using the politics of division. Now they rule a divided country.

[Buchholz]

-73.3 per cent of respondents believe the reconciliation issue is used as a tool to fight for political power

-65.4 per cent believe the House committee on national reconciliation has contributed to the rifts in the country

The government's reconciliation efforts are really bearing fruit.

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[OzMick]

-73.3 per cent of respondents believe the reconciliation issue is used as a tool to fight for political power

-65.4 per cent believe the House committee on national reconciliation has contributed to the rifts in the country

The government's reconciliation efforts are really bearing fruit.

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Have a bite of that apple, Snow White.

[CalgaryII]

"73.3 per cent of respondents believe the reconciliation issue is used as a tool to fight for political power, while 26.7 per cent do not believe so.

-65.4 per cent believe the House committee on national reconciliation has contributed to the rifts in the country while 34.6 per cent do not believe so."

I agree with the first quote above, and is why I have been saying all along, 'forget about reconciliation" Trying to make up for the loss of the election, reconciliation will not gain them what they want, and is probably tbe reason they staged a walk-out. Painting the "House Committee on National Reconciliation" as being divisive for surfacing the truth, is another indication of 'agenda laundering' via a researchy type mechanism. And I don't need to tell you whose agenda.

Edited April 2, 2012 by CalgaryII

[jonclark]

"73.3 per cent of respondents believe the reconciliation issue is used as a tool to fight for political power, while 26.7 per cent do not believe so.

-65.4 per cent believe the House committee on national reconciliation has contributed to the rifts in the country while 34.6 per cent do not believe so."

I agree with the first quote above, and is why I have been saying all along, 'forget about reconciliation" Trying to make up for the loss of the election, reconciliation will not gain them what they want, and is probably tbe reason they staged a walk-out. Painting the "House Committee on National Reconciliation" as being divisive for surfacing the truth, is another indication of 'agenda laundering' via a researchy type mechanism. And I don't need to tell you whose agenda.

I love the way you twist the public's response as agenda laundering. Perhaps, just perhaps the public is starting to wake up to the fact that the current government has been ham-fisted in it approach to reconciliation and is merely using the pretext of 'reconciliation' as a means to push through its own self serving interests, while throwing a few crumbs to the masses

PTP are meant to be a party of the people. Perhaps they should start listening to them (instead of waffling on about potential coups,agenda laundering, the invisible hand and other superstitious mumbo jumbo).

[Bakseedaa]

"He (Noppadol) said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals"

I have been of the view for some time that Polls such as this one, are mostly skewed to Opposition friendly results, therefore making them an 'agenda laundering' tool. In this case, I almost gave the Poll some credibility until the last line of the article, quoted above. The research guy very clearly showed his true colors with it. The Opposition mantra, and ONLY the Opposition, try to denigrate Constitutional Reform and PTP reconciliation initiatives as having a simplistic focus on Thaksin. The research guy couldn't quite hold himself back from advancing the same agenda. It is very instructive to know the political leanings of supposedly independent polling, and the quote above reveals it in this case.

why cannot you write in PLAIN English.... you always seem to talk in riddles...

[animatic]

."...using the reconciliation issue as a tool to fight for power..."

In plain English this is spot on.

"...-80 per cent believe political groups are always split, while 17.7 per cent see that the ongoing political rifts started after the 2006 coup, and 2.3 per cent do not have any comment...."

Again this was in full view well BEFORE the coup. The coup was in effect a reaction to the splitting off power and abuses that came with a temporary upper hand by a amoral faction vieing for excessive power.

Basically Thaksin has pushed it passed any 'one on one' talks.

He's opened Panadora's Box and the effects can't be put back in,

the only open question is when will he lose control of the monster,

and the country spins out of control.

[animatic]

"He (Noppadol) said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals"

I have been of the view for some time that Polls such as this one, are mostly skewed to Opposition friendly results, therefore making them an 'agenda laundering' tool. In this case, I almost gave the Poll some credibility until the last line of the article, quoted above. The research guy very clearly showed his true colors with it. The Opposition mantra, and ONLY the Opposition, try to denigrate Constitutional Reform and PTP reconciliation initiatives as having a simplistic focus on Thaksin. The research guy couldn't quite hold himself back from advancing the same agenda. It is very instructive to know the political leanings of supposedly independent polling, and the quote above reveals it in this case.

Hard to fathom how you see this, that way,

but anything that doesn't fit the agenda sheet seems to get belittled.

[animatic]

17.6% think a coup would end political conflict. .........Given the leanings of this Pollster, that is spurious, but assuming it has some partial validity, shows real ignorance on the part of some people. If they think 2006 ended political conflict, is an opinion beyond belief........ If there were people who said this, perhaps they are the same ones who cheered the PAD border adventures. Same kind of mindset.

The 2006 coup was only a symptom of the political conflict,

just one in many actions back and forth.

[gregb]

"He (Noppadol) said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals"

I have been of the view for some time that Polls such as this one, are mostly skewed to Opposition friendly results, therefore making them an 'agenda laundering' tool. In this case, I almost gave the Poll some credibility until the last line of the article, quoted above. The research guy very clearly showed his true colors with it. The Opposition mantra, and ONLY the Opposition, try to denigrate Constitutional Reform and PTP reconciliation initiatives as having a simplistic focus on Thaksin. The research guy couldn't quite hold himself back from advancing the same agenda. It is very instructive to know the political leanings of supposedly independent polling, and the quote above reveals it in this case.

why cannot you write in PLAIN English.... you always seem to talk in riddles...

It is one of the tricks that propaganda artists use when trying to exert influence. By framing your words as such, you allow your victims to mold the idea into one exactly suited for them. If you simply state your opinion in plain English, you risk alienating marks who might be open to manipulation, but draw a particular offence at some aspect of what you say. Of course, there is never one particular approach that is maximally effective on everyone at the same time, but there are known techniques that people use when trying to beguile an audience into accepting an opinion that they would never accede to on their own.

The best defence against this is to discount everything you hear, and form your own opinion based on facts and analysis independent of what anyone else thinks. Even if a majority of people think something, it doesn't necessarily make it right or moral. That is why we have laws that are supposed to be inalienable and not subject to majority vote. Sadly, Calgary II doesn't believe in these fundamental premises. Using the logic that he has espoused on this forum, 51% support of the public means that rape and murder should be allowed.

It is very instructive to keep his position in mind when listening to his propaganda, and don't be fooled by what he doesn't say.

[waza]

How can the PTP claim to be promoting reconciliation when they are actively dividing the population into reds and others. It appears that their idea of unity is red of dead.

[WackySomchai]

"He (Noppadol) said those involved with finding measures for reconciliation should consider the causes of the problems rather than giving priority to individuals"

I have been of the view for some time that Polls such as this one, are mostly skewed to Opposition friendly results, therefore making them an 'agenda laundering' tool. In this case, I almost gave the Poll some credibility until the last line of the article, quoted above. The research guy very clearly showed his true colors with it. The Opposition mantra, and ONLY the Opposition, try to denigrate Constitutional Reform and PTP reconciliation initiatives as having a simplistic focus on Thaksin. The research guy couldn't quite hold himself back from advancing the same agenda. It is very instructive to know the political leanings of supposedly independent polling, and the quote above reveals it in this case.

why cannot you write in PLAIN English.... you always seem to talk in riddles...

Because he's trolling ...