Thaksin's Taxes: Democrat Files Nonfeasance Charges Against Finance Minister, Deputy

[bhakta]

The refusal to collect the tax was so blatant and obvious.

[sirchai]

Arrived in Chiang Mai yesterday morning.

Taxi drivers mostly red shirts, all of them got stickers in their cabs with the joke Thaksin on it: "Please come back we need you".

Rice farmers with credit cards, grade one kids with tablets, no alcohol from 00.00 -24.00 o'clock and politicians with a Muppet as their boss.

Edited April 5, 2012 by sirchai

[Mosha]

I wish that the politicans were as obsessed with improving the air quality in Northern Thailand as they seem to be with expat Thaksin Shiniwatra.

I wish that the politicans were as obsessed with improving the air quality in Northern Thailand as they seem to be with expat Thaksin Shiniwatra.

Thaksin's one of us? Wow.

[geriatrickid]

In respect to Yingluck's private sector work experience, she held other positions long before she became an executive. Look at her CV.

What exactly is your definition of long before? She was about 35 when she became CEO of AIS. From finishing her studies to that time, seems pretty short to me.

Sorry to say, but that's how it is at a great many family businesses. The undercurrent of the criticism from some people on TVF is that they resent her family's business success.

Plenty of successful business people about. Time to open your mind and consider the possibility of there being more than envy to all this dislike.

Do you really need examples?

Megabloks the largest competitor to Lego All of the kids had senior positions before the age of 35.

J&J - One of the largest pharma and beauty firm is also a family firm.

Mariott Hotels

Walmart

Need more examples?

Also suggest that you take into account that she worked in the period after completing her bachelors and going on to obtain her masters.

The fact remains, that despite al attempts to find dirt on her work experience, no one has found anything. She started out as a lowly intern and learnt the business. She pursued a specific course of graduate studies as it fit with her career path.

One cannot penalize someone for having a hard working family. Did you ever create a multinational firm? I worked for a family firm at one time and it was no cakewalk.

[geriatrickid]

Arrived in Chiang Mai yesterday morning.

Taxi drivers mostly red shirts, all of them got stickers in their cabs with the joke Thaksin on it: "Please come back we need you".

Rice farmers with credit cards, grade one kids with tablets, no alcohol from 00.00 -24.00 o'clock and politicians with a Muppet as their boss.

I take it you showed those taxi drivers who's boss and did not use their services, right? Did a family member pick you up or did you pay the extra and hire a car and driver?

I do understand your despair about not being able to find alcohol, but I was unaware there is no alcohol sold in Chiang Mai.

Edited April 5, 2012 by geriatrickid

[geriatrickid]

The Revenue Department have been astonishing on this issue, it is basically a bunch of crooks protecting a bunch of crooks. These people make the rules to they believe that whatever they do is right.

Really?

why didn't the Democrats do something about the situation when they were in power?

[tlansford]

decision on August 8 2011 = also before the PTP government took control...

Just for the record.

Not quite.

check again ...

http://www.asiantrib...fficially-sworn

Yes ... "Officially sworn in". You can think that they didn't start using their new connections until they were officially sworn in if you want.

I made a factual statement. You said 'not quite'. My statement was correct. Your post said it was not. Now you acknowledge that it was ...

OK.

The point being PPD's that the revenue due in taxes was not collected by the Abhisit gov't, and the decision on the case was made by a bureaucracy that is not elected, and in any case, made before the new government took power, all of which is irrelevant to Korn's inaction to collect the revenue due while officially responsible for doing so.

[tragickingdom]

Sansern Samalapha is becoming old. Old people often forget to take the right pill in the morning and subsequently forget that they were in charge themselves for 5 years in which they: 1. Did not ask Interpol for an arrest warrant while telling the Thai people something entirely different

2. They did not collect the taxes themselves even after the kangaroo courts told that Thaksin was in the wrong

3. Sansern forgot to levy the same accusations (And taxes) on his party sponsors notably the crook that is still a guest of mister Cameron in England and who ran a Ponzi scheme.

Sansern therefore should file charges against his own former minister of finance. On the other hand, who cares what the Democrat party does nowadays. They cannot win any elections and are notably absent when terrorists rock the deep south, after all those are their voters.

[DixiePig]

I wish that the democrats were as concerned about air quality as they appear to be obsessed with thaksin

[rixalex]

In respect to Yingluck's private sector work experience, she held other positions long before she became an executive. Look at her CV.

What exactly is your definition of long before? She was about 35 when she became CEO of AIS. From finishing her studies to that time, seems pretty short to me.

Do you really need examples?

Megabloks the largest competitor to Lego All of the kids had senior positions before the age of 35.

J&J - One of the largest pharma and beauty firm is also a family firm.

Mariott Hotels

Walmart

Need more examples?

Your examples don't respond to the point i was making, so i'm not sure why you have presented them.

You said Yingluck held other positions long before she became an executive. I questioned what your definition of long before was.

[bigbamboo]

I wish that the democrats were as concerned about air quality as they appear to be obsessed with thaksin

I wish all politicians were.

[OzMick]

I made a factual statement. You said 'not quite'. My statement was correct. Your post said it was not. Now you acknowledge that it was ...

OK.

The point being PPD's that the revenue due in taxes was not collected by the Abhisit gov't, and the decision on the case was made by a bureaucracy that is not elected, and in any case, made before the new government took power, all of which is irrelevant to Korn's inaction to collect the revenue due while officially responsible for doing so.

The Minister is answerable for the actions/inactions of his department. Korn's failure of oversight is not an excuse for the incumbent, who's government, as you chose to point out, has been in power for nearly 8 months, and who would have had influence since the election result was declared.

BTW Korn's lack of action could hardly be seen as conflict of interest or loyalty. That it now can should be even more reason for the matter to have high priority for an ethical Minister.

[sparebox2]

phiphidon and sparebox2 I found both your posts interesting but I failed to see your points. Its not inappropriate for Thaksin to pay or organise things for Yingluck after all he has a great deal of experience in politics and has the connections. But why would Thaksin fund a coup against himself? If you have proves (sic) of this it would be dynamite.

Fake assassination for sympathy is nothing new. However Thaksin think 1 more step ahead.

From Sonthi action lately, the 2006 could be fake, so that Thaksin could return as a President.

http://en.wikipedia....ooting_incident

http://www.google.co...ion+for+vote

Edited April 7, 2012 by sparebox2

[phiphidon]

phiphidon and sparebox2 I found both your posts interesting but I failed to see your points. Its not inappropriate for Thaksin to pay or organise things for Yingluck after all he has a great deal of experience in politics and has the connections. But why would Thaksin fund a coup against himself? If you have proves (sic) of this it would be dynamite.

Fake assassination for sympathy is nothing new. However Thaksin think 1 more step ahead.

From Sonthi action lately, the 2006 could be fake, so that Thaksin could return as a President.

http://en.wikipedia....ooting_incident

http://www.google.co...ion+for+vote

Waza asks "But why would Thaksin fund a coup against himself? If you have proves (sic) of this it would be dynamite."

My answer: I have no idea why he would, but seeing as I never proposed that he did, my statement is hardly suprising.

[gemini81]

"Perhaps if they had a leader with actual real world work experience they would be better off".

Like Yingluck?

She's worked. Despite some newsmedia outlets attempts to find something critical about her work ethic, the articles all came back showing that her industry colleagues, her competitors and employees all respected her.

Try again.

She's never worked hard in her life. Worked only as in easy positions handed to her, that she delegated tasks to her subordinates. She's never earned jack nor dropped a bead of sweat in her life. Spoonfed with a silver spoon.

Good leaders often have humble beginnings and work their way to the top....earning credibility and notoriety.

This broad backs away from meetings, debates, speaking. She is a bimbo and she shows it clearly. She got little out of her alleged studies. If she thinks fashion and feminism will carry the nation forward, she is even more dense than I ever suspected.

At least her brother was cunning and sly..she learned none of that.

Edited April 7, 2012 by gemini81

[phiphidon]

"Perhaps if they had a leader with actual real world work experience they would be better off".

Like Yingluck?

She's worked. Despite some newsmedia outlets attempts to find something critical about her work ethic, the articles all came back showing that her industry colleagues, her competitors and employees all respected her.

Try again.

She's never worked hard in her life. Worked only as in easy positions handed to her, that she delegated tasks to her subordinates. She's never earned jack nor dropped a bead of sweat in her life. Spoonfed with a silver spoon.

Good leaders often have humble beginnings and work their way to the top....earning credibility and notoriety.

This broad backs away from meetings, debates, speaking. She is a bimbo and she shows it clearly. She got little out of her alleged studies. If she thinks fashion and feminism will carry the nation forward, she is even more dense than I ever suspected.

At least her brother was cunning and sly..she learned none of that.

Whereas Abhisit......................

[geriatrickid]

"Perhaps if they had a leader with actual real world work experience they would be better off".

Like Yingluck?

She's worked. Despite some newsmedia outlets attempts to find something critical about her work ethic, the articles all came back showing that her industry colleagues, her competitors and employees all respected her.

Try again.

She's never worked hard in her life. Worked only as in easy positions handed to her, that she delegated tasks to her subordinates. She's never earned jack nor dropped a bead of sweat in her life. Spoonfed with a silver spoon.

Good leaders often have humble beginnings and work their way to the top....earning credibility and notoriety.

This broad backs away from meetings, debates, speaking. She is a bimbo and she shows it clearly. She got little out of her alleged studies. If she thinks fashion and feminism will carry the nation forward, she is even more dense than I ever suspected.

At least her brother was cunning and sly..she learned none of that.

Ok, so you are a misogynist. What else is new for Thaivisa?

Are you in a position to review her activities? I doubt it. I find that the most vociferous of critics in TVF offer up "expert' opinions on law, tax regulations and specialties requiring advanced education and yet, none of these self professed "experts" is qualified to pass judgement let alone offer such an opinion. they possess neither the work experience, life experience or education. The arguments they make on the law, on business management and the sociology of Thailand typically demonstrate one prominent characteristic: Ignorance. Cringeworthy ignorance at times too. I know my limitations and that's why I don't comment on subject matter I know nothing about such as software programming, advanced motor vehicle maintenance, bargirls etc.

One might see my comment as arrogant, perhaps even condescending. However, anyone with a knowledge of a mid to large family business would not have made the comments you did.

Edited April 7, 2012 by geriatrickid

[Thaddeus]

Ok, so you are a misogynist.

And if she was male, that poster would be what exactly?

That human being is useless, is that better?

Call it any way you want GK, it has never worked for a position in its entire life, it has been handed everything on a plate, and it still fails to perform, it avoids meetings in parliament, it avoids questions it can't answer and it is completely incapable of making any decision other than what shoes to wear.

The instructions on the box it came in probably came with the warnings of, do not expose to direct sunlight, keep dry, fragile, use no hooks and use within six months of purchase.

[FOODLOVER]

"Perhaps if they had a leader with actual real world work experience they would be better off".

Like Yingluck?

She's worked. Despite some newsmedia outlets attempts to find something critical about her work ethic, the articles all came back showing that her industry colleagues, her competitors and employees all respected her.

Try again.

She's never worked hard in her life. Worked only as in easy positions handed to her, that she delegated tasks to her subordinates. She's never earned jack nor dropped a bead of sweat in her life. Spoonfed with a silver spoon.

Good leaders often have humble beginnings and work their way to the top....earning credibility and notoriety.

This broad backs away from meetings, debates, speaking. She is a bimbo and she shows it clearly. She got little out of her alleged studies. If she thinks fashion and feminism will carry the nation forward, she is even more dense than I ever suspected.

At least her brother was cunning and sly..she learned none of that.

Ok, so you are a misogynist. What else is new for Thaivisa?

Are you in a position to review her activities? I doubt it. I find that the most vociferous of critics in TVF offer up "expert' opinions on law, tax regulations and specialties requiring advanced education and yet, none of these self professed "experts" is qualified to pass judgement let alone offer such an opinion. they possess neither the work experience, life experience or education. The arguments they make on the law, on business management and the sociology of Thailand typically demonstrate one prominent characteristic: Ignorance. Cringeworthy ignorance at times too. I know my limitations and that's why I don't comment on subject matter I know nothing about such as software programming, advanced motor vehicle maintenance, bargirls etc.

One might see my comment as arrogant, perhaps even condescending. However, anyone with a knowledge of a mid to large family business would not have made the comments you did.

I thought your party was for the poor and the uneducated yet you want them muzzled without opinion or ways to express. How would one become "Educated", without dialogue and an exchange of ideas and or knowledge?

[OzMick]

"Perhaps if they had a leader with actual real world work experience they would be better off".

Like Yingluck?

She's worked. Despite some newsmedia outlets attempts to find something critical about her work ethic, the articles all came back showing that her industry colleagues, her competitors and employees all respected her.

Try again.

She's never worked hard in her life. Worked only as in easy positions handed to her, that she delegated tasks to her subordinates. She's never earned jack nor dropped a bead of sweat in her life. Spoonfed with a silver spoon.

Good leaders often have humble beginnings and work their way to the top....earning credibility and notoriety.

This broad backs away from meetings, debates, speaking. She is a bimbo and she shows it clearly. She got little out of her alleged studies. If she thinks fashion and feminism will carry the nation forward, she is even more dense than I ever suspected.

At least her brother was cunning and sly..she learned none of that.

Ok, so you are a misogynist. What else is new for Thaivisa?

Are you in a position to review her activities? I doubt it. I find that the most vociferous of critics in TVF offer up "expert' opinions on law, tax regulations and specialties requiring advanced education and yet, none of these self professed "experts" is qualified to pass judgement let alone offer such an opinion. they possess neither the work experience, life experience or education. The arguments they make on the law, on business management and the sociology of Thailand typically demonstrate one prominent characteristic: Ignorance. Cringeworthy ignorance at times too. I know my limitations and that's why I don't comment on subject matter I know nothing about such as software programming, advanced motor vehicle maintenance, bargirls etc.

One might see my comment as arrogant, perhaps even condescending. However, anyone with a knowledge of a mid to large family business would not have made the comments you did.

"One might see..." ............you under-estimate your audience. Perhaps it would be more correct to admit "Many might see..........."

[Thaddeus]

I thought your party was for the poor and the uneducated yet you want them muzzled without opinion or ways to express. How would one become "Educated", without dialogue and an exchange of ideas and or knowledge?

Yes, that is what they want.... it is what anyone who's only desire is money and power wants.

[volk666]

Re. bimbo - just in the past couple of days she talked about "Hat Yai provice", "Hat Yai accident" and president of Malaysia.

Hat Yai is a city in Songkla province, car bomb is not an accident, it's a terrorist attack, and Malaysia has a Prime Minister, not a president.

Also November doesn't have 31 days as she recently said.

Re. Korn's inaction - some posters here post questions about it which no one seems to be able to answer. To me it looks more like a Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt trick because those same people don't have answers themselves but imply that something sinister was going on without actually telling what it was.

I don't know the answers myself but when Korn was FM taxes were due and were probably included in Revenue Dept balance sheet, now they aren't anymore.

Why didn't Korn collect those taxes? Probably because Thaksin's kids didn't transfer the money, if they transferred the money the matter would have been closed long time ago.

Could the Revenue Department withdraw the money itself? From which accounts exactly? Accounts that received money from private share sale of Ample Rich stocks to the kids back in 2006? I'm pretty sure those have been empty for many years now. Those accounts that were frozen following the court ruling on Thaksin's case in 2010? Were they even in Thaksin's kids' names?

FUD messengers here make enforcing tax payments sound so easy when in fact it's anything but. Under Korn at least the liability was there, under Yingluck taxes no longer need to be paid.

[rubl]

Re. bimbo - just in the past couple of days she talked about "Hat Yai provice", "Hat Yai accident" and president of Malaysia.

Hat Yai is a city in Songkla province, car bomb is not an accident, it's a terrorist attack, and Malaysia has a Prime Minister, not a president.

Also November doesn't have 31 days as she recently said.

Re. Korn's inaction - some posters here post questions about it which no one seems to be able to answer. To me it looks more like a Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt trick because those same people don't have answers themselves but imply that something sinister was going on without actually telling what it was.

I don't know the answers myself but when Korn was FM taxes were due and were probably included in Revenue Dept balance sheet, now they aren't anymore.

Why didn't Korn collect those taxes? Probably because Thaksin's kids didn't transfer the money, if they transferred the money the matter would have been closed long time ago.

Could the Revenue Department withdraw the money itself? From which accounts exactly? Accounts that received money from private share sale of Ample Rich stocks to the kids back in 2006? I'm pretty sure those have been empty for many years now. Those accounts that were frozen following the court ruling on Thaksin's case in 2010? Were they even in Thaksin's kids' names?

FUD messengers here make enforcing tax payments sound so easy when in fact it's anything but. Under Korn at least the liability was there, under Yingluck taxes no longer need to be paid.

Minor remark on the very last part "under Yingluck taxes no longer need to be paid". I have no choice, it's deducted automatically every month. Probably happens with lots of 'legal aliens' and the Thai tax-paying base. Not to those who seem to be more equal than others though.

[volk666]

Chances are your taxes are deducted by your employer from your salary on your salary income. If someone offers you to buy 15 billion baht worth of shares in market value just for 1 baht instead of 50 and sell them the next day on the Stock exchange you'll receive a lot of income that your employer will not be aware of and you will have to pay tax on that income yourself.

If you decide to open a separate bank account outside of Thailand for that transaction chances are no one at the Revenue Dept will ever know about it and you can get way with not declaring that income and not paying taxes. It happens to some people, evidently.

Chances are the owner of those shares won't let you withdraw "your" money either but will rather pay you a relatively small fee in cash.

Legally it will be your tax liability but since the money will stay in your account for only a very short time the Revenue Dept won't be able to "collect" those taxes even if they wanted to.