deadman Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 A good day goes bad........everything is looking all soo good then the back wants to do its own thang. What should be done? Is it really the case that backing off the gas will mean doom? Obviously its a natural reflex, but how overcome it? Gotta laugh at the onlookers, sauntering down the hill like it happens every day round that corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Pretty gentle as far as highsides go. 100% rider error. Live and learn. Read my siggy Ride On! T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) Pretty gentle as far as highsides go. 100% rider error. Live and learn. Read my siggy Ride On! T I think it's something to do with this particular corner p/s: I would love to learn how to lean a bike like that Edited April 6, 2012 by Gweiloman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 The guy going over the guard rail had to be scary. But it looked a bit like Thailand with cars and motorcycles in each others lane, hahahahaha no matter where you go cannot get away from idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbradsby Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Read Keith Code's books to understand why the panic Survival Reflex of chopping the throttle causes the high-side by regaining rear wheel traction while crossed-up. How to 'not' chop? Practice, practice, practice - In the dirt is best to gain confidence in loss of traction situations. That asphalt is pretty unforgiving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Looking at 56 second into that 1st video the shot of his rear tire............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbradsby Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) Fun squid vids. For a vid of the sic'est people still living, some of which involve bikes: Edited April 7, 2012 by bbradsby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadman Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 If you watch the close calls comp above, many of those riders stand up on the pegs, getting their weight off the rear wheel. Certainly seemed to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 If you watch the close calls comp above, many of those riders stand up on the pegs, getting their weight off the rear wheel. Certainly seemed to help them. Watch the clips again- they are not standing up my choice. These guys are just lucky they didn't get more sideways before their rear tire regained traction or they'd have been thrown over the handlebars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 If you watch the close calls comp above, many of those riders stand up on the pegs, getting their weight off the rear wheel. Certainly seemed to help them. Standing up would centralize body mass, doing so would remove weight from the rear wheel and spread the load more uniformly. Half the reason i think they stand up is from the force generated in the early stages of a high side, hence them being thrown upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridaguy Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 That first video was Mulholland. It does happen every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridaguy Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Actually the second video was Mulholland also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 OK !! replying to OP it could be you, whatever is ever your lord, if you don't get the proper training, unless your a professional racer of coarse and this can happen to them anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Isn't it always safe to pull the clutch? Seems to be a fantastic spot to put a camera... something's wrong with that road there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 OK !! replying to OP it could be you, whatever is ever your lord, if you don't get the proper training, unless your a professional racer of coarse and this can happen to them anytime. Anywhere in Bangkok to get proper (English speaking) training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Isn't it always safe to pull the clutch? Seems to be a fantastic spot to put a camera... something's wrong with that road there... There's nothing wrong with the road, but the guys know that there are people filming them so they push harder than they should, often with disastrous or amusing results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 OK !! replying to OP it could be you, whatever is ever your lord, if you don't get the proper training, unless your a professional racer of coarse and this can happen to them anytime. Anywhere in Bangkok to get proper (English speaking) training? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 (edited) a high side is very difficult to control, it's not the rear wheel slide then grip that causes the problem as such it's the jolt the rider gets from his arse to his hands that causes the off, this jolt passes to bars causing the steering to go way in the wrong direction creating a huge swing of the back end, standing up can interrupt the wavei and is sometimes effective in stopping the steering jolt, the road at that point does lack grip for some reason but ultimately it's throttle control that is at fault and the guy on the scooter although not going fast is a fine example of why you need to wear a Helmet. Edited April 8, 2012 by smedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 OK !! replying to OP it could be you, whatever is ever your lord, if you don't get the proper training, unless your a professional racer of coarse and this can happen to them anytime. Anywhere in Bangkok to get proper (English speaking) training? Already said " Nope " but seriously if you ever get the chance to do an advanced course of some kind and you are a keen motorcyclist it's worth every penny, ( dime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Looking at 56 second into that 1st video the shot of his rear tire............... Yep !! too much psi pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty1412 Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 a high side is very difficult to control, it's not the rear wheel slide then grip that causes the problem as such it's the jolt the rider gets from his arse to his hands that causes the off, this jolt passes to bars causing the steering to go way in the wrong direction creating a huge swing of the back end, standing up can interrupt the wavei and is sometimes effective in stopping the steering jolt, the road at that point does lack grip for some reason but ultimately it's throttle control that is at fault and the guy on the scooter although not going fast is a fine example of why you need to wear a Helmet. Original OP video at 39 seconds shows a huge whack to back of head.. try that in cheap helmet and you will be lucky not to damage the ole gray matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 The road surface looks like a patchwork quilt of differing quality hotmix. At least there is no Thai sized pothole or cracks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 a high side is very difficult to control, it's not the rear wheel slide then grip that causes the problem as such it's the jolt the rider gets from his arse to his hands that causes the off, this jolt passes to bars causing the steering to go way in the wrong direction creating a huge swing of the back end, standing up can interrupt the wavei and is sometimes effective in stopping the steering jolt, the road at that point does lack grip for some reason but ultimately it's throttle control that is at fault and the guy on the scooter although not going fast is a fine example of why you need to wear a Helmet. He is also a good example of the benifits of being fat (just0 enough not to fit under the guard rail.... Wonder how steep the drop is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 a high side is very difficult to control, it's not the rear wheel slide then grip that causes the problem as such it's the jolt the rider gets from his arse to his hands that causes the off, this jolt passes to bars causing the steering to go way in the wrong direction creating a huge swing of the back end, standing up can interrupt the wavei and is sometimes effective in stopping the steering jolt, the road at that point does lack grip for some reason but ultimately it's throttle control that is at fault and the guy on the scooter although not going fast is a fine example of why you need to wear a Helmet. He is also a good example of the benifits of being fat (just0 enough not to fit under the guard rail.... Wonder how steep the drop is there. It's a good drop, but not a cliff- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty1412 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 a high side is very difficult to control, it's not the rear wheel slide then grip that causes the problem as such it's the jolt the rider gets from his arse to his hands that causes the off, this jolt passes to bars causing the steering to go way in the wrong direction creating a huge swing of the back end, standing up can interrupt the wavei and is sometimes effective in stopping the steering jolt, the road at that point does lack grip for some reason but ultimately it's throttle control that is at fault and the guy on the scooter although not going fast is a fine example of why you need to wear a Helmet. He is also a good example of the benifits of being fat (just0 enough not to fit under the guard rail.... Wonder how steep the drop is there. It's a good drop, but not a cliff- Hes actually better off with that fall than a straight slide into guard rail, guardrail was initial impact but momentum carried him on over into the bushes and dissipated the energy.. rather that than hit the guard rail and stop dead ( no oun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Sitting here in my wheelchair for the 18th day, that first vid sent shivers down my spine! To be honest, I don't recall what I did when my rear tyre slid out on a wet patch - but it was obviously the wrong thing to do, whatever is was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 very sorry to hear that matey but glad you are still with us to talk/type about it, here's for a speedy recovery, if you need anything don't be afraid to ask here as I'm sure some peeps live close by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Thanks a lot, I'm pretty dam_n glad I'm here too. Recovery won't be so swift, but at least I get chance to recover - too many of us don't, at least here on Samui. As for needing anything, I'm good - my gf wasn't too injured thankfully, and she's taking good care of me. One thing's for sure, it's shown me how many good friends I have here in Samui! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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