Does Abs Completely Cut Out Skidding?

[2unique]

I did a bit of research on the net and have found that hitting the brakes is indeed the wrong thing to do - I pushed as hard as I could as the rear started sliding out.

Apparently, if it's the front which is sliding, you're supposed to brake gently which will put more pressure on the front wheels (due to inertia) and therefore help them to grip.

If the back is sliding, you're supposed to gas to put the weight on the back wheels - this sounds a bit scary and would only work if the road in front in totally clear.

Additionally, when something like this happens out of the blue, I doubt I'd be able to figure out what's sliding and what to do fast enough......

Electronic Stability Control - look for it in your next car...

The following article also explains the difference between understeer and oversteer as I posted earlier.

what you experienced was oversteer and is harder to correct than understeer - again as i said before, antilock the wheel and whip the tail back in with the accelerator. It's counter intuitive so practice it.

I had my back end side swiped on the way to Hua Hin by a gun toting, road raged ex cop in a BMW while driving at 120kph. with 3 passengers screaming as we went into a spin, I had to handbrake around to complete a 360 or we would have hit a pick up barreling down on us and then anti lock to stop us tipping over (CRV) or and going into another spin. Hit the pick up a glancing blow anyway as lost a second grabbing for the handbrake in the wrong place (dam_n you Honda). Taking lessons saved the lives of 4 people that day.

Suggest you drive your car through some S-bend roads at different speeds in the dry and learn to feel how the weight shifts and know its tolerances and behavioral quirks.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/safety-regulatory-devices/electronic-stability-control.htm

[barefoot1988]

When I read stuff like this, it makes me sad that driver traning is completely insufficient in most countries, not just Thailand.

Norway (and maybe Sweden and Finland) is one of the few countries where trainig in very slippery conditions is required in order to get your license.

I took my license in the Netherlands, which also has strict rules for passing and they have no wet condition requirement.

You can take slipping courses. I did one. Wow! You learn so much from just one day.

I have seen so many accidents here caused by bad vehicle control, bad foresight (does it exist here?) and lack of ABS. OPs situation had nothing to do with ABS, obviously.

It is amazing that most pick ups here are not equipped with ABS as standard. It would avoid a lot of rear ending incidents. I have seen it happening in front of me and behind me. DId not have to brake hard at all.

its even more amazing how drivers here ignore about safety distance, let alone having abs or even airbags. tailgating someone makes my balls travel all the way up my throat, wonder how do people actually does that.

but then again this is nothing amazing about to be compared with the countless of families travelling in mopeds

[culicine]

When I read stuff like this, it makes me sad that driver traning is completely insufficient in most countries, not just Thailand.

Norway (and maybe Sweden and Finland) is one of the few countries where trainig in very slippery conditions is required in order to get your license.

I took my license in the Netherlands, which also has strict rules for passing and they have no wet condition requirement.

You can take slipping courses. I did one. Wow! You learn so much from just one day.

I have seen so many accidents here caused by bad vehicle control, bad foresight (does it exist here?) and lack of ABS. OPs situation had nothing to do with ABS, obviously.

It is amazing that most pick ups here are not equipped with ABS as standard. It would avoid a lot of rear ending incidents. I have seen it happening in front of me and behind me. DId not have to brake hard at all.

its even more amazing how drivers here ignore about safety distance, let alone having abs or even airbags. tailgating someone makes my balls travel all the way up my throat, wonder how do people actually does that.

but then again this is nothing amazing about to be compared with the countless of families travelling in mopeds

The problem with people here is they must experience something to understand it. They need that vehicle in front for them to break hard so they slam into the back of them. After that experience, if they survive, they will back off. This explains he numerous rear enders we see on the roads everyday. In 10 years and 250K kms in Thailand I've never come close to hitting a vehicle in front of me. The only problems that can be cause is when a vehicle pulls into my breathing space and brakes hard, not giving me enough time to back off and open the space up to at least 2 seconds.

[rayinkrabi]

Good thread, I also had the rear end of my truck 'slide out' violently a couple of years ago while going round a slight bend but was lucky as only doing about 40 km/hr..certainly didn't use brakes but decelerated and all was well..a real wake up call tho.

This was my first experience in nearly 40 years of driving (all sorts of vehicles in different countries) and makes me question the road surface quality here? or possibly simply fuel / oil contamination on the surface 'sitting' as it can't be washed off due to poor camber or even road subsidence? (many roads I see under construction here are cracking up and moving even before completion!) Also bear in mind the many trucks transporting rubber etc. constantly pouring water out the back, I always drop back when following these as the mixture is a real pain to remove from the screen & bodywork.

Finally, I wholeheartedly agree Re driving training being insufficent but it,s not just here..I remember being puzzled & peed off in England when taking driving lessons at age 17 that skid pan lessons cost extra plus I wasn't allowed to use a motorway till on a full license, I understand this is still the case nearly 40 yrs later!