Death Threat To Thaksin Remains: Defence Minister

[phiphidon]

The PTP are hardly likely to mess about with the Lese Majeste Law are they? They're not as stupid as most of you think. At least any Lese Majeste cases that arise from now on will not be used as a political tool.

Another of their promises down the drain?

There is a time and a place, I think you'll understand even if you are just looking for negatives all the time. What do you think will happen if they campaign now to amend lese majeste. They had a flavour of that already with Nitarat.

[phiphidon]

The online freedom of expression they are talking about is with regard to Lese Majeste cases. All of the cases mentioned were actioned in Abhisits reign.

The PTP are hardly likely to mess about with the Lese Majeste Law are they? They're not as stupid as most of you think. At least any Lese Majeste cases that arise from now on will not be used as a political tool.

You start to sound a wee bit desperate, dear PPD. Maybe not a self-imposed exile, but a short sabbatical leave may benefit you and recharge your batteries.

I'm not talking about PTP neither is the RSF article. It's 'the government' which in this case may be Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm who's in charge of a 'clean internet' campaign if I remember correctly. Maybe you should tell him he has the wrong priorities?

The reference to LM cases is probably related to what we discuss, internet filtering, with you condoning as you suggest it might be done without being a political tool. Maybe I should ask RSF what they think of that?

This is getting ridiculous. You post a link about lack of freedom of expression which is all about Lese Majeste cases and you pull me up because I said PTP instead of PTP government. You knew who I was talking about and are trying to wriggle. Chalerm has said he's going to clear up lese majeste violating internet sites so you don't remember correctly

Deputy Prime Minister Pol Capt Chalerm Yubamrung is set to begin his crackdown on websites offensive to the monarchy

http://prachatai.com/english/node/2947

. What do you expect him to say, he's going to ignore them?

Edited April 17, 2012 by phiphidon

[phiphidon]

Internet and media control have increased with this administration.

Some like to dwell in the past even if that past was just 1-1/2 years ago

What are you on about now. Buchholz is wrong.

[rubl]

The online freedom of expression they are talking about is with regard to Lese Majeste cases. All of the cases mentioned were actioned in Abhisits reign.

The PTP are hardly likely to mess about with the Lese Majeste Law are they? They're not as stupid as most of you think. At least any Lese Majeste cases that arise from now on will not be used as a political tool.

You start to sound a wee bit desperate, dear PPD. Maybe not a self-imposed exile, but a short sabbatical leave may benefit you and recharge your batteries.

I'm not talking about PTP neither is the RSF article. It's 'the government' which in this case may be Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm who's in charge of a 'clean internet' campaign if I remember correctly. Maybe you should tell him he has the wrong priorities?

The reference to LM cases is probably related to what we discuss, internet filtering, with you condoning as you suggest it might be done without being a political tool. Maybe I should ask RSF what they think of that?

This is getting ridiculous. You post a link about lack of freedom of expression which is all about Lese Majeste cases and you pull me up because I said PTP instead of PTP government. You knew who I was talking about and are trying to wriggle. Chalerm has said he's going to clear up lese majeste violating internet sites so you don't remember correctly

Deputy Prime Minister Pol Capt Chalerm Yubamrung is set to begin his crackdown on websites offensive to the monarchy

http://prachatai.com/english/node/2947

. What do you expect him to say, he's going to ignore them?

So, when you complain about the Abhisit government clamping down on internet sites stating some number of total sites blocked (no indication since when though), you're still happily smiling when the next government (aka Yingluck government) does something similar? You're really happy with the RSF article? You still want to continue with 'yeah, but that migt be another reason to block sites'?

Mind you, I'm willing to return to the topic of "Death threat to Thaksin"

[phiphidon]

Read the report or at least the extract I provided. All the info you need is there. Amongst other methods the CRES were blocking blocks of IP addresses, 300, 600 at a time. Do you think the CRES are going to hand over any paperwork to the PTP?

The current staff at the new "blocking centre is about 12 I believe, how long do you think they are going to spend unblocking sites when they're being told to block new Lese Majeste violating sites? Who do they want to please most? Be realistic.

OK. I'll just put it down to you not being IT literate.

You can put it down to what you like

[phiphidon]

So, when you complain about the Abhisit government clamping down on internet sites stating some number of total sites blocked (no indication since when though), you're still happily smiling when the next government (aka Yingluck government) does something similar? You're really happy with the RSF article? You still want to continue with 'yeah, but that migt be another reason to block sites'?

Mind you, I'm willing to return to the topic of "Death threat to Thaksin"

Why do you people not read the posts properly. The dates are on there.

I'm not over impressed that sites are being blocked because of article 112 but as long as it remains in existence they really haven't got a lot of choice.

I was mightily peed off when abhisits mob banned websites left right and centre supressing any kind of expression from red shirts and used article 112 as a political tool.

The two actions by different governments are nowhere near "similar".

I'll get back on topic when people stop posting lies and expect everybody to just lap them up.

[rubl]

So, when you complain about the Abhisit government clamping down on internet sites stating some number of total sites blocked (no indication since when though), you're still happily smiling when the next government (aka Yingluck government) does something similar? You're really happy with the RSF article? You still want to continue with 'yeah, but that migt be another reason to block sites'?

Mind you, I'm willing to return to the topic of "Death threat to Thaksin"

Why do you people not read the posts properly. The dates are on there.

I'm not over impressed that sites are being blocked because of article 112 but as long as it remains in existence they really haven't got a lot of choice.

I was mightily peed off when abhisits mob banned websites left right and centre supressing any kind of expression from red shirts and used article 112 as a political tool.

The two actions by different governments are nowhere near "similar".

I'll get back on topic when people stop posting lies and expect everybody to just lap them up.

Some quotes from the RSF article again:

"The status of Thailand’s online freedom of expression began to deteriorate from the moment the new Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra assumed power in July 2011. Abusive recourse to the politically exploited lèse-majesté law has led to an increase in litigations and strict censorship."

"The Thai government has distanced itself from this initiative, stating that it does not want to modify Article 112."

"The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRCT), set up under the previous government advocated a lèse-majesté law reform in January 2012, deeming the existing one “too harsh.”"

There is nothing in the RSF to suggest that the current government is not using the LM law to block sites they don't like, similar as the Abhisit government did. Mind you I've seen some sites blocked later. The site and contents owners would really be prosecuted back in Europe, even in the UK!

So wiggle you wurm if you like, but you're just getting more pathetic in your excuses. IMHO

[phiphidon]

So, when you complain about the Abhisit government clamping down on internet sites stating some number of total sites blocked (no indication since when though), you're still happily smiling when the next government (aka Yingluck government) does something similar? You're really happy with the RSF article? You still want to continue with 'yeah, but that migt be another reason to block sites'?

Mind you, I'm willing to return to the topic of "Death threat to Thaksin"

Why do you people not read the posts properly. The dates are on there.

I'm not over impressed that sites are being blocked because of article 112 but as long as it remains in existence they really haven't got a lot of choice.

I was mightily peed off when abhisits mob banned websites left right and centre supressing any kind of expression from red shirts and used article 112 as a political tool.

The two actions by different governments are nowhere near "similar".

I'll get back on topic when people stop posting lies and expect everybody to just lap them up.

Some quotes from the RSF article again:

"The status of Thailand’s online freedom of expression began to deteriorate from the moment the new Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra assumed power in July 2011. Abusive recourse to the politically exploited lèse-majesté law has led to an increase in litigations and strict censorship."

"The Thai government has distanced itself from this initiative, stating that it does not want to modify Article 112."

"The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRCT), set up under the previous government advocated a lèse-majesté law reform in January 2012, deeming the existing one “too harsh.”"

There is nothing in the RSF to suggest that the current government is not using the LM law to block sites they don't like, similar as the Abhisit government did. Mind you I've seen some sites blocked later. The site and contents owners would really be prosecuted back in Europe, even in the UK!

So wiggle you wurm if you like, but you're just getting more pathetic in your excuses. IMHO

I'm not wriggling. As far as I'm aware the present government have not used LM to liturgate against anybody - as I said all the cases they mention were brought under the abhisit government. Please provide proof of any brought under this government.

As far as strict censorship of lese majeste violating sites is concerned what are they supposed to do?

There is nothing in the RSF to suggest that the current government is not using the LM law to block sites they don't like, similar as the Abhisit government did.

Now that is a pathetic statement - there is nothing in the rsf to suggest that they are using the LM law to block sites they don't like. If they had examples don't you think they would have mentioned them!

So my supposedly "pathetic" excuses are in fact valid statements of fact.

Good Night.

[Buchholz]

So, when you complain about the Abhisit government clamping down on internet sites stating some number of total sites blocked (no indication since when though), you're still happily smiling when the next government (aka Yingluck government) does something similar? You're really happy with the RSF article? You still want to continue with 'yeah, but that migt be another reason to block sites'?

Mind you, I'm willing to return to the topic of "Death threat to Thaksin"

Why do you people not read the posts properly. The dates are on there.

I'm not over impressed that sites are being blocked because of article 112 but as long as it remains in existence they really haven't got a lot of choice.

I was mightily peed off when abhisits mob banned websites left right and centre supressing any kind of expression from red shirts and used article 112 as a political tool.

The two actions by different governments are nowhere near "similar".

I'll get back on topic when people stop posting lies and expect everybody to just lap them up.

Some quotes from the RSF article again:

"The status of Thailand’s online freedom of expression began to deteriorate from the moment the new Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra assumed power in July 2011. Abusive recourse to the politically exploited lèse-majesté law has led to an increase in litigations and strict censorship."

"The Thai government has distanced itself from this initiative, stating that it does not want to modify Article 112."

"The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRCT), set up under the previous government advocated a lèse-majesté law reform in January 2012, deeming the existing one “too harsh.”"

There is nothing in the RSF to suggest that the current government is not using the LM law to block sites they don't like, similar as the Abhisit government did. Mind you I've seen some sites blocked later. The site and contents owners would really be prosecuted back in Europe, even in the UK!

So wiggle you wurm if you like, but you're just getting more pathetic in your excuses. IMHO

Smacks of desperation, doesn't it?

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[yeeowww]

Well, I only went out for 30 minutes to do some shopping! You all absolutely hate this man to death no wonder theres reports of assasination attempts. Whats the point to these threads if your all batting for the same team? I have my point of view and you have yours. Freedom of speech and all that is a part of democracy.

This is the best you can do in answer for your pompous claims?!

[whybother]

I'm not wriggling. As far as I'm aware the present government have not used LM to liturgate against anybody - as I said all the cases they mention were brought under the abhisit government. Please provide proof of any brought under this government.

As far as strict censorship of lese majeste violating sites is concerned what are they supposed to do?

There is nothing in the RSF to suggest that the current government is not using the LM law to block sites they don't like, similar as the Abhisit government did.

Now that is a pathetic statement - there is nothing in the rsf to suggest that they are using the LM law to block sites they don't like. If they had examples don't you think they would have mentioned them!

So my supposedly "pathetic" excuses are in fact valid statements of fact.

Good Night.

The red shirt sites were blocked because of LM content or because they were breaking laws inciting violence. What was the previous government supposed to do?

The site lists would be easily available from the ISPs or the ministry, so there is no excuse that the current government can't remove the blocks. They have an extra 400,000 million baht. It's not like they need to search for the sites that are blocked. The red shirts can tell them, as they've been complaining about it for ages.

But maybe they can't be unblocked because of the LM content. What is the government supposed to do?

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[KKK]

If he (Thaksin) had any respect for Thailand & Thai Law & Thai people ...

Cambodia and Laos both seem to have no respect for Thailand & Thai Law & Thai people as they have allowed, the criminal fugitive, Thaksin to visit recently. Both, like Thailand, are ASEAN members. So much for co-operation between neighboring countries.....

[Scott]

This topic has strayed WAY, WAY, WAY off-topic. The thread is about Death Threats to Thaksin. Further off-topic posts will be deleted and result in suspensions if necessary.

The topic please.

[louse1953]

Sukampol added that criticism of Thaksin’s recent moves might hamper national reconciliation and had not taken into consideration that Thaksin had the right to travel and his actions were acceptable.

It's interesting that the Defence Minister thinks that someone who is on the run to avoid a jail sentence has the right to travel.

Well,they gave his passport back,didn't they.TIT

[waza]

I firmly believe these attempted assasinations of Thaksin are publicity stunts and the claims of death threats are an attempt to perpetuate that publicity. When I read something like.......... "

A doctor at Vajiraj Hospital in Bangkok said that doctors were operating on Sondhi Limthongkul, who had a bullet in his head.

Mr Sondhi's car was attacked at a petrol station near the central bank at around 5am local time (2200 GMT), a spokesman for his People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) said.

The PAD was not part of the latest political violence in Thailand, which involved the red-shirted supporters of Thaksin Shinawatra, a former prime minister who was ousted in a 2006 coup and now lives in self-imposed exile. Thailand's capital is still under emergency rule. "....................Then I will believe it.

Edited April 18, 2012 by waza

[waza]

Sukampol added that criticism of Thaksin’s recent moves might hamper national reconciliation and had not taken into consideration that Thaksin had the right to travel and his actions were acceptable.

It's interesting that the Defence Minister thinks that someone who is on the run to avoid a jail sentence has the right to travel.

Well,they gave his passport back,didn't they.TIT

Seems one hand doesnt know what the other is doing. This is a classic symptom of a lack of leadership.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts deleted and one inflammatory post deleted.

Please keep the discussion on the topic of the OP and be civil to one another.

[yeeowww]

You predict his days are numbered, so it is you with the crystal ball and not Thaksin. Thaksin does give to charities in Thailand regulary, He donated lots of money to the poor during the flooding last year. You all have Thaksinphobea did any of you doubters live in Thailand when Thaksin was Prime Minister? I did and it was great, heads of western countries made visits often and everyone was so happy and proud to be Thai.

I have lived in Thailand off and on since 1967 and have seen it all. Thaksin was PM during a time of world economic growth and prosperity. Most every country around the globe was flourishing at the time. He did nothing magic. A Chimpanzee could have been PM at that time with about the same results.

Please show proof of his philanthropic accomplishments. I am dying to see, as to date no one seems to be able to back anything up with documented proof of him donating much of anything. He should be a MAJOR player in that regard, not just a small donation here and there. What little he may actually be doing amounts to nothing more than, as the saying goes, "throwing peanuts to the monkeys". He should be helping on the scale of Bill Gates to the poor of this country.

Please show some proof of "Thaksin Love" in the way of money from his own pocket from this self proclaimed "Man Of The People". I can't wait!...

Well, I only went out for 30 minutes to do some shopping! You all absolutely hate this man to death no wonder theres reports of assasination attempts. Whats the point to these threads if your all batting for the same team? I have my point of view and you have yours. Freedom of speech and all that is a part of democracy.

All of the anti-Thakisin posters here are stating what is apparently obvious to us. And really, actually very few of us know one other outside of this forum on a personal basis. So you Thaksin lovers have to ask yourself one question, why is it have we all come to the same conclusion and find a common disdain for this guy, a pariah on the country we love?

But more so, why do you all refuse to address the questions posed to you with solid data? This post of Tukky's a good example, how when she can't answer for all of her unfounded & pompous claims, she immediately skirts the questions?! Tukky & Phiphi, you have really painted yourselves into a light that makes you look quite foolish.

And here I was really rooting for you... hoping for more intellectual, enlightening and in depth answers with substantial proof. I would love for any of you Thaksinistas to prove me wrong. But the truth is... after 135 posts, none of you Red Tshirt Gang can seem to materialize any solid documentation of this "hero" of yours actually stepping up to the plate and doing anything substantial at his own expense. This has become more a take of the classic tale "The Emperor's New Clothes" and you've all taken his bait, hook, line and sinker.

And then you continue with the claims of how much this guy loves the poor. But the truth is, he has contributed absolutely nothing out of his own mega-billions to prove any actual love whatsoever. Making small donations here and there does not constitute an undying love and concern for the poor. More that they are publicity op's for him and his circle. There should be major buildings, schools, hospitals and beneficial organizations established and funded by him and his family. The answer is that he is nothing more than a self-centered, greedy sociopath who would just as soon throw all of you under the truck were it to behoove him.

I really hope these posts are ringing through your head when you lie down at night. Perhaps some of it may eventually sink in and you will see that in actuality, this guy is about the worst thing to have ever happened to Thailand. The losses, pain and suffering that he personally has brought upon those living here, both natives and immigrants, both emotionally and economically are of epic and incalculable proportion. And this man deserves nothing more than quick oblivion.

Edited April 18, 2012 by yeeowww

[Tanaka]

Sukampol added that criticism of Thaksin’s recent moves might hamper national reconciliation and had not taken into consideration that Thaksin had the right to travel and his actions were acceptable.

It's interesting that the Defence Minister thinks that someone who is on the run to avoid a jail sentence has the right to travel.

Of course. That is why the government gave the criminal back his passport!

[tukkytuktuk]

The Troll has entered the forum, Checked your internet latelyvon the subject of this threae then you will find this link from the Penom Phen Post about the mistaken information that led the defence minister to makecthe death threat comment. Oh and by the way sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me. http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2012041855626/National-news/death-threats-news-to-thaksin-intimates.html

[Buchholz]

The Troll has entered the forum, Checked your internet latelyvon the subject of this threae then you will find this link from the Penom Phen Post about the mistaken information that led the defence minister to makecthe death threat comment. Oh and by the way sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me. http://www.phnompenh...-intimates.html

From the link.

Jarupan Kuldiloke, the spokeswoman of Thaksin’s Puea Thai party, said

"It is a local red shirts leader in Chiangmai said this news."

So it's not the PTP's Defense Minister that is claiming death threats. It's a Red Shirt Leader that is.

same, same...

[lungmi]

morire dal ridere

laughing to die

totlachen

(Advice from Dario Fo, 1997 Nobel Prize in Literature

how to kill dictators and other bad people.)

I agree. This my "death threat" too.

Edited April 18, 2012 by lungmi

[metisdead]

Posters are reminded to stay on topic and to refrain from comments concerning the character of other posters.

Some posts have been removed.

[exeter]

If I were Mr T I would never come back, sure there are lots who love him but there also lots who dont, thats my impression. How much is the cost of "disappearnce" 10000bts? Then there is the fame, short lived though it may be it appeals to some people. The death threat is real always will be.

[nurofiend]

If I were Mr T I would never come back, sure there are lots who love him but there also lots who dont, thats my impression. How much is the cost of "disappearnce" 10000bts? Then there is the fame, short lived though it may be it appeals to some people. The death threat is real always will be.

i agree, thailand is the most dangerous place in the world for thaksin.

i dunno, i think the country is heading for political disaster whether he comes back or not and probably (to a high degree) based on him coming back or not.

some people say all he has to do is stay away (for peace), i don't agree with that viewpoint... and i certainly don't think him coming back is the answer.

Edited April 19, 2012 by nurofiend

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts and replies have been removed. Keep it on topic.

[OzMick]

If I were Mr T I would never come back, sure there are lots who love him but there also lots who dont, thats my impression. How much is the cost of "disappearnce" 10000bts? Then there is the fame, short lived though it may be it appeals to some people. The death threat is real always will be.

i agree, thailand is the most dangerous place in the world for thaksin.

i dunno, i think the country is heading for political disaster whether he comes back or not and probably (to a high degree) based on him coming back or not.

some people say all he has to do is stay away (for peace), i don't agree with that viewpoint... and i certainly don't think him coming back is the answer.

You don't agree with most of the possibilities, which seems to bring us right back to death threats.

[nurofiend]

If I were Mr T I would never come back, sure there are lots who love him but there also lots who dont, thats my impression. How much is the cost of "disappearnce" 10000bts? Then there is the fame, short lived though it may be it appeals to some people. The death threat is real always will be.

i agree, thailand is the most dangerous place in the world for thaksin.

i dunno, i think the country is heading for political disaster whether he comes back or not and probably (to a high degree) based on him coming back or not.

some people say all he has to do is stay away (for peace), i don't agree with that viewpoint... and i certainly don't think him coming back is the answer.

You don't agree with most of the possibilities, which seems to bring us right back to death threats.

sorry could you translate that?

[OzMick]

If I were Mr T I would never come back, sure there are lots who love him but there also lots who dont, thats my impression. How much is the cost of "disappearnce" 10000bts? Then there is the fame, short lived though it may be it appeals to some people. The death threat is real always will be.

i agree, thailand is the most dangerous place in the world for thaksin.

i dunno, i think the country is heading for political disaster whether he comes back or not and probably (to a high degree) based on him coming back or not.

some people say all he has to do is stay away (for peace), i don't agree with that viewpoint... and i certainly don't think him coming back is the answer.

You don't agree with most of the possibilities, which seems to bring us right back to death threats.

sorry could you translate that?

You don't think him staying away will bring peace, you don't think him coming home will bring peace, which restricts his position to DED, unless you have another alternative,

[nurofiend]

You don't think him staying away will bring peace, you don't think him coming home will bring peace, which restricts his position to DED, unless you have another alternative,

oh i see, no i personally don't have an alternative but i'm hoping there is one.

an alternative could still entail either him coming home or staying away, but with things as they stand... neither would bring peace.