Jatuporn Says He Ready For Cabinet Seat

[nurofiend]

i'd be intimidated if a crowd of 300 turned up at my property, nevermind being a 90 year old woman and them being opposed to your son!

i don't need video evidence to form that opinion, i thought it would go without saying.

So for future reference, as Red Shirts like to turn up at peoples addresses in numbers, nurofiend has stated that if any big group shows up on a location that could be associated with 'opposite' group(s), then it is a threat.

that's a translation of what i said, your simplified and blanket translation of course but store it in your databank if you like.

because if i think the red shirts are intimidating people, i'll admit it.

unlike people who are too stuck in their ways to admit any wrongdoings, no matter how blatant it is and ridiculous that their argument seems to anyone with a reasonable mind.

Edited May 3, 2012 by nurofiend

[nurofiend]

i think some posters in here are an absolute disgrace for trying to argue that 300 people arriving at an old womans property isn't indimidating.

with arguments like they didn't have weapons, act violenty... or spray blood!

none of which make any difference to how a 90 year old woman would feel intimidated by 300 people opposed to her son arriving at her property.

how can people be so fanatical in their bias not to accept this? it truly baffles and disgusts me.

Perhaps if you had one shred of evidence that she was intimidated, your outrage might be more understandable.

You are saying it was simply the numbers involved, which fails to justify your suppositions.

As for people being opposed to her son, how you do know she felt intimidated from that? From the sounds of it, she is pretty well darn opposed to her son's behavior as well.

From the sounds of it, she has a lot more common with those people then she does with the son who has disowned and mistreated his elderly mother for years on end.

Your outrage is displaced IMO. If it was based on the factual information in the report, it should focus on Jatuporn as there is plenty of information on his reprehensible behavior rather than on the people that came to visit her as there is absolutely zilch information on that.

Your outrage is based entirely on supposition... for which no factual basis exists to support it.

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my outrage is based on the obviousness that most people would feel intimidated by a crowd of 300 people arriving at your property, without being a 90 year old woman and those people having a problem with a member of your family.

it's based on the obviousness that if it was 300 red shirts arriving at a 90 year old mother of a yellow shirts property that ye would be singing a completely different tune.

but i wouldn't, i'd admit it would be intimidating.

Edited May 3, 2012 by nurofiend

[birdpooguava]

Looks like there is going to be a lot of pissed off TV members when Mr. Jatuporn assumes his position. Get used to it loser supporters. What goes around comes around.

"What goes around comes around."

There may well come a day when Jatuporn and his friends have been found guilty of terrorism, and when they drag him into a room, strap him down, and inject lethal chemicals into his veins.

I find it interesting that those charges still stand. Arisman will be the first to face them and IMHO the most likely to get the bad news. I'll bet London to a brick that will wipe the shit-eating grin off of old J's face. I will make a point of replaying your touching sentiment when it happens.

You are still living in a dream. If they can make terrorism charges stick to Jatuporn, Abhisit & Suthep are done for mass murder. Or maybe they can use the infamous flowchart during the prosecutions. Now that would be damning evidence.

As for replaying sentiment, I seem to remember certain regular posters being adamant that before the last election PT were in disarray and the people would never vote for a party that supported & funded terrorists.

You and your ilk have proven that you are far removed from the sentiment of the Thai people, but continue to bleat the same old party line.

[nurofiend]

One might reasonably construe that your own biases have led you down this false path.

sorry, must have quoted you before you decided to throw in this little line...

what false path am i on by making the point i've been making, please do tell.

[Buchholz]

Perhaps if you had one shred of evidence that she was intimidated, your outrage might be more understandable.

You are saying it was simply the numbers involved, which fails to justify your suppositions.

As for people being opposed to her son, how you do know she felt intimidated from that? From the sounds of it, she is pretty well darn opposed to her son's behavior as well.

From the sounds of it, she has a lot more common with those people then she does with the son who has disowned and mistreated his elderly mother for years on end.

Your outrage is displaced IMO. If it was based on the factual information in the report, it should focus on Jatuporn as there is plenty of information on his reprehensible behavior rather than on the people that came to visit her as there is absolutely zilch information on that.

Your outrage is based entirely on supposition... for which no factual basis exists to support it.

my outrage is based on the obviousness that most people would feel intimidated by a crowd of 300 people arriving at your property, without being a 90 year old woman and those people having a problem with a member of your family.

it's based on the obviousness that if it was 300 red shirts arriving at a 90 year old mother of a yellow shirts property that ye would be singing a completely different tune.

but i wouldn't, i'd admit it would be intimidating.

More supposition on your part as to what my reaction would be in a given situation.

As for your suggested scenario, historically, there already has been a situation where hundreds of Red Shirts arrived at the home of a 90 year old (albeit a man in this case). It was July 2007 and they became violent and their violence in that incident ended up injuring hundreds. Now that is intimidation and this is what it looks like.

Notice that the guy throwing a helmet is a proud t-shirt wearing member of "White Dove", a group that is actually known for creating turmoil. The white dove is usually a sign of peace but these opportunists simply use the image as a disguise

[Buchholz]

One might reasonably construe that your own biases have led you down this false path.

sorry, must have quoted you before you decided to throw in this little line...

what false path am i on by making the point i've been making, please do tell.

The false path that you seem to think the egregious aspect to this issue is not the abandonment of an elderly woman by her fanatical and extraordinarily selfish off-spring, but in your imagined intimidation for which no evidence exists, save your supposition that a large group of people automatically always equates to it.

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[nurofiend]

my outrage is based on the obviousness that most people would feel intimidated by a crowd of 300 people arriving at your property, without being a 90 year old woman and those people having a problem with a member of your family.

it's based on the obviousness that if it was 300 red shirts arriving at a 90 year old mother of a yellow shirts property that ye would be singing a completely different tune.

but i wouldn't, i'd admit it would be intimidating.

More supposition on your part as to what my reaction would be in a given situation.

As for your suggested scenario, historically, there already has been a situation where hundreds of Red Shirts arrived at the home of a 90 year old (albeit a man in this case). It was July 2007 and they became violent and their violence in that incident ended up injuring hundreds. Now that is intimidation and this is what it looks like.

Notice that the guy throwing a helmet is a proud t-shirt wearing member of "White Dove", a group that is actually known for creating turmoil. The white dove is usually a sign of peace but these opportunists simply use the image as a disguise

it's supposition based on what i know of how you post, and i believe it's apt.

[Buchholz]

it's supposition based on what i know of how you post, and i believe it's apt.

I'll remember to tap into your prognosticating abilities to seek out your guidance on lottery numbers for the 16th of this month.

Anyway, probably best to focus on real events rather than imagined scenarios and the imagined reactions to them.

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Edited May 3, 2012 by Buchholz

[nurofiend]

One might reasonably construe that your own biases have led you down this false path.

sorry, must have quoted you before you decided to throw in this little line...

what false path am i on by making the point i've been making, please do tell.

The false path that you seem to think the egregious aspect to this issue is not the abandonment of an elderly woman by her fanatical and extraordinarily selfish off-spring, but in your imagined intimidation for which no evidence exists, save your supposition that a large group of people automatically always equates to it.

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bull

they weren't there because he abandoned her!!! that's NOT the issue.. and i haven't made any defence to that aspect either.

that's your spin away from the intimidating aspect of it.

i reacted to people saying that it wasn't indimidation.

'imagined intimidation'

ye seem to be of the belief that you need to act violently or have weapons to be intimidating.

my supposition wasn't that a large group of people automatically always equates to it.. see this is the ridiculousness i was reffering to.

it was that 300 people arriving at a 90 year old womans house to oppose her son would be indimidating to the 90 year old woman.

if 300 people arrive at your house with banners saying 'i love you' then that's not intimidating, if 300 people arrive at your house for a birthday party, then that's not intimidating... so don't put words in my mouth saying that i said that "a large group of people automatically always equates to it"

but if a political group of 300 people arrived at my property, i would be intimidated... if 300 people arrived at my property unexpected to me, i would be intimidated.

Edited May 3, 2012 by nurofiend

[nurofiend]

it's supposition based on what i know of how you post, and i believe it's apt.

I'll remember to tap into your prognosticating abilities to seek out your guidance on lottery numbers for the 16th of this month.

Anyway, probably best to focus on real events rather than imagined scenarios and the imagined reactions to them.

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it doesn't take much prognosticating ability to realise the predictibility to how you post buchholz.

Edited May 3, 2012 by nurofiend

[Buchholz]

i reacted to people saying that it wasn't indimidation.

'imagined intimidation'

ye seem to be of the belief that you need to act violently or have weapons to be intimidating.

I am of the belief that you need to do something to be intimidating and there's no indication that there was... except, according to you, their mere presence of the group sufficed as that something.

I am also of the belief that a 90 year old Thai woman does not get to that stage in life by being easily intimidated. My missus grandmother is 91 and if she ever felt intimidated by a group of people at her home, she'd most likely take a broom to them.

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[lungmi]

Looks like there is going to be a lot of pissed off TV members when Mr. Jatuporn assumes his position. Get used to it loser supporters. What goes around comes around.

"What goes around comes around."

There may well come a day when Jatuporn and his friends have been found guilty of terrorism, and when they drag him into a room, strap him down, and inject lethal chemicals into his veins.

I find it interesting that those charges still stand. Arisman will be the first to face them and IMHO the most likely to get the bad news. I'll bet London to a brick that will wipe the shit-eating grin off of old J's face. I will make a point of replaying your touching sentiment when it happens.

You are still living in a dream. If they can make terrorism charges stick to Jatuporn, Abhisit & Suthep are done for mass murder. Or maybe they can use the infamous flowchart during the prosecutions. Now that would be damning evidence.

As for replaying sentiment, I seem to remember certain regular posters being adamant that before the last election PT were in disarray and the people would never vote for a party that supported & funded terrorists.

You and your ilk have proven that you are far removed from the sentiment of the Thai people, but continue to bleat the same old party line.

You insult my wife, she is Thai, I agree she can read and write and Excel and has no sentiment for some Thai people.

[Buchholz]

it's supposition based on what i know of how you post, and i believe it's apt.

I'll remember to tap into your prognosticating abilities to seek out your guidance on lottery numbers for the 16th of this month.

Anyway, probably best to focus on real events rather than imagined scenarios and the imagined reactions to them.

it doesn't take much prognosticating ability to realise the predictibility to how you post buchholz.

Likewise.

[nurofiend]

i reacted to people saying that it wasn't indimidation.

'imagined intimidation'

ye seem to be of the belief that you need to act violently or have weapons to be intimidating.

I am of the belief that you need to do something to be intimidating and there's no indication that there was... except, according to you, their mere presence of the group sufficed as that something.

I am also of the belief that a 90 year old Thai woman does not get to that stage in life by being easily intimidated. My missus grandmother is 91 and if she ever felt intimidated by a group of people at her home, she'd most likely take a broom to them.

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well yes, turning up as a politicial group of 300 to a 90 year old womans house, is 'doing something' in my eyes.

if you quoted my full post, my full explanation is clearer.

anyway, i'm done.. i've learned what i needed to.

[Buchholz]

I seem to remember certain regular posters being adamant that before the last election PT were in disarray and the people would never vote for a party that supported & funded terrorists.

If you say so.

before the last election equals before July 3, 2011

whereas...

birdpooguava

Member Since 2012-01-20

[Buchholz]

i reacted to people saying that it wasn't indimidation.

'imagined intimidation'

ye seem to be of the belief that you need to act violently or have weapons to be intimidating.

I am of the belief that you need to do something to be intimidating and there's no indication that there was... except, according to you, their mere presence of the group sufficed as that something.

I am also of the belief that a 90 year old Thai woman does not get to that stage in life by being easily intimidated. My missus grandmother is 91 and if she ever felt intimidated by a group of people at her home, she'd most likely take a broom to them.

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well yes, turning up as a politicial group of 300 to a 90 year old womans house, is 'doing something' in my eyes.

if you quoted my full post, my full explanation is clearer.

anyway, i'm done.. i've learned what i needed to.

once again... likewise.

[Skywalker69]

Hey, give the crazy blood guy a ministers post!

Funny how this act did not generate from within the general Thai community, anything like the revulsion it generated from the Westerners.

Is there something not understood, perhaps ?

There's a general lack of understanding regarding public health issues here, including the inherent danger in indiscriminately sloshing HIV+ and HEP+ tainted blood about in a public setting.

Anyone who would play with an unknown blood source like that is not fit much of anything other than slaughtering buffalo for a living.

Speaking of Red Shirt fail, anyone see the pathetic gathering in Chaing Mai yesterday? LOL They set up their stage at the gate and I think maybe 25 red shirts were there (max) when we drove by, and at least 25% of them were kids. It was honestly pathetic.

He has proved him self that he is a BB. "Bloody Bast#rd.

[whybother]

Thaksin must have been seriously intimidated when 10,000 people turned up to where he was staying.

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[webfact]

RT @tulsathit: Chalerm: Jatuporn's work rate and good look qualify him for a Cabinet post.

[Crushdepth]

"Pheu Thai leader Yongyuth Wichaidit said ........ Jatuporn.......... adequately understands problems of the people."

Well he should. He helped cause a lot of them.

Do Cabinet Ministers have parliamentary immunity? Is this an insurance policy for the may 18 decision which could see Jatuporn facing terrorism charges?

Immunity applies to MPs, if they appoint someone else they don't have the same privileges (in theory).

[phiphidon]

"He said his immediate concerns were his life-long devotion to the red-shirt movement and his MP status."

How can anyone over the age of 8 have a "life-long devotion to the red-shirt movement"?

Pretty much an impossible feat, considering it's age. But hey, why let facts and logic get in the way of a good political diatribe.

People, well normal people, animatic, say things like this all the time, it's a figure of speech, an hyperbole and is not meant to be taken literally. An example, I've been a supporter of (insert sports team or whatever) for all of my life.

Normal speech for normal people. And saying that you're devoted to a movement you belong to, believe in and also happen to be a "leader" of is hardly political diatribe, is it?

It IS hyperbole, not much more.

It also certainly is political diatribe, because he hasn't made a speech in public that is not littered with di·a·tribe

dahy-

uh

-trahyb

noun

a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism:

repeated diatribes against the senator.

Synonyms tirade, harangue.

Interesting, you are comparing normal persons speech with Jatuporns.

So I suppose we can then 'not take Jatuporns speech literally.'

He doesn't mean what he says he just says things a lot.

Wenging on about this or that or the other thing,

but signifying nothing.

MACBETH

She should have died hereafter;

There would have been a time for such a word.

To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,

Creeps in this petty pace from day to day

To the last syllable of recorded time,

And all our yesterdays have lighted fools

The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player

That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

And then is heard no more: it is a tale

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,

Signifying nothing.

Enter a Messenger

Was all that totally necessary? No, is the answer. I know what diatribe means - thats why I said that his statement

"He said his immediate concerns were his life-long devotion to the red-shirt movement and his MP status"

is hardly a political diatribe, at all, in any sense of the word. How is that statement

" a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism"? Answer - It isn't.

So spare your Cut and Paste jobs for yourself - you obviously need to brush up on the understanding of the english language

[OzMick]

""He said his immediate concerns were his life-long devotion to ............ his MP status"

I'm sure this is true. The length of his life may well depend on his retaining his MP status.

[OzMick]

You are still living in a dream. If they can make terrorism charges stick to Jatuporn, Abhisit & Suthep are done for mass murder. Or maybe they can use the infamous flowchart during the prosecutions. Now that would be damning evidence.

As for replaying sentiment, I seem to remember certain regular posters being adamant that before the last election PT were in disarray and the people would never vote for a party that supported & funded terrorists.

You and your ilk have proven that you are far removed from the sentiment of the Thai people, but continue to bleat the same old party line.

"...... I seem to remember certain regular posters being adamant that before the last election......."

What name were you posting under then?

[rubl]

RT @tulsathit: Chalerm: Jatuporn's work rate and good look qualify him for a Cabinet post.

So next to 'knowledge', 'capabilities', 'potential' and 'suitability' we can now add 'work rate' and 'good looks' to the selection criteria for the PM Yingluck cabinet

BTW on the 14th of May, 2011 we had this statement from Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm:

"Chalerm Yubamrung, a potential candidate on the party list for Pheu Thai, said that Ms Yingluck is full of potential and has a strong knowledge of economic affairs."

Edited May 4, 2012 by rubl

[GentlemanJim]

Aren't all the Thai people AND the PM and Government being conned here? In a very large organization I used to work in, we used to be firm believers in that if you wanted a particular job the best way to get it was to start a rumour saying that you had got it. It always seemed to work....without fail!! It took a couple of months normally but...bingo! Now e have Jutaporn (just who did call the press conference?) saying he is ready for the post of Minister. I bet a pound to a pinch of rocking horse sh*t, he gets it! Any takers

[Buchholz]

Appointing Jatuporn would ruin hope for reconciliation

The Nation May 6, 2012

Editorial

Making controversial red shirt a Cabinet member could be explosive

Once again, Jatuporn Prompan is posing a political dilemma for his boss. Having been kept away from the Yingluck Cabinet, the red shirt leader is virtually knocking on the ministerial door one more time because the end of the five-year ban on 111 politicians will make a major government reshuffle unavoidable. There are several big names for Thaksin Shinawatra and his sister to consider for what could be a Cabinet revamp, but none will be as potentially explosive as Jatuporn's.

As with most political developments in Thailand, there are two opposing theories to describe Jatuporn's fresh appearance in news headlines. One school of thought simply states that his time has come, after having fought hard to help the Thaksin camp regain political power but missed out on the first Cabinet train because the post-election political atmosphere was too fragile.

The other school of thoughts smells a conspiracy. Not everyone, including those in the Thaksin camp, wants to see Jatuporn in the Cabinet, let alone his rising to the powerful post of deputy interior minister. Jatuporn, goes this theory, is possibly being set up for another round of character attacks. Approximately one month - the time left before the ban on the 111 politicians expires - should be enough to soften Jatuporn up and chalk him out of the list of Cabinet contenders.

Conspiracy or not, Jatuporn is a big controversy, especially if he is earmarked to become a deputy interior minister. Having led vociferous red shirt protests in 2010, in which laws were broken, public order was disrupted and the Army arguably provoked into action, it would be quite ironic for Jatuporn to take over a ministerial position charged with maintaining law and order.

Besides that irony, which could spark strong public resistance to his ministerial nomination, the road seems relatively clear for Jatuporn. His trouble in the Constitution Court stemming from the Election Commission's attempt to disqualify him as an MP is unlikely to have legal bearing on a Cabinet appointment. That is thanks to the fact that the Thai Constitution does not require a Cabinet minister to concurrently be an MP. And when it comes to criminal charges related to the 2010 political violence, the court process is far from finalised, which means he can serve in the Cabinet in the meantime.

Politically speaking, things will not be rosy for Yingluck if she has to appoint Jatuporn to the Cabinet. Another red shirt leader, Natthawut Saikua, is already serving as deputy agriculture minister and because of that the "controversy quota" may have been stretched to its limit. Adding another red shirt leader to the government would lead to the same uproar of mockery that forced the Thaksin camp to hold back on Jatuporn's Cabinet nomination previously.

Thaksin and Yingluck can decide that the government's position has become more stable now. The yellow shirts have been unable to revitalise themselves, the armed forces have steered clear of politics and the opposition Democrats' voices have been overwhelmed in Parliament by the ruling party's election mandate. Jatuporn's appointment, therefore, may be subjected to just a few days of outcry or condemnation that should fade away quickly.

However, the dilemma is not about Jatuporn's Cabinet appointment causing street protests. It's the quietness likely to greet his ministerial position that Thaksin and Yingluck should be worried about. Appointing Jatuporn to the Cabinet will send a message - or be perceived as a message - that all the talks and gestures about reconciliation only means so much as having this man join Natthawut in the government.

Prime Minister Yingluck met Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda, who was always a target of harsh red shirt attacks and repeatedly accused of leading a conspiracy against Thaksin, to pay him Songkran homage recently. Despite the meeting being symbolic rather than a substantial breakthrough in Thailand's political impasse, few people would have imagined that she would follow up that meeting with Jatuporn's appointment. The Prem-Yingluck meeting was overwhelmingly welcomed in opinion polls as a silver lining for peace. Now, the question for Yingluck to ponder is, will Jatuporn's appointment to the Cabinet help her proclaimed reconciliation agenda or reset everything back to Square One

-- The Nation 2012-05-06

[Buchholz]

it would be quite ironic for Jatuporn to take over a ministerial position charged with maintaining law and order.

that it would be

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[nurofiend]

it would be quite ironic for Jatuporn to take over a ministerial position charged with maintaining law and order.

that it would be

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odd.

[Buchholz]

it would be quite ironic for Jatuporn to take over a ministerial position charged with maintaining law and order.

that it would be

odd.

Perhaps Pheu Thai could set up an Oddly Ironic War Room to sort out their multitude of oddities originating from irony.

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Edited May 6, 2012 by Buchholz

[nurofiend]

it would be quite ironic for Jatuporn to take over a ministerial position charged with maintaining law and order.

that it would be

odd.

Perhaps Pheu Thai could set up an Oddly Ironic War Room to sort out their multitude of oddities originating from irony.

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odder.