Lese Majeste Charges Against Jatuporn Lifted

[OzMick]

The headline of this thread is incorrect. The charges have not been lifted, the morally malleable head of DSI Tharit has forwarded them to the AG with the advice not to proceed.

It is now up to the AG to decide whether the courts should be the arbiter of guilt or innocence or will he make a decision that could well be perceived as biased and/or corrupt. In most places, that perception would be important enough in a high profile case to be forwarded. In other places, the perception is much closer to reality.

[phiphidon]

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

.

If you use one rigid term such as "critical" I'm not suprised you're coming up empty. Believe me or don't believe me, as with Rubl it really doesn't matter to me.

By the way any news on the links to the "arrested pamphlet pushers"?

Edited May 13, 2012 by phiphidon

[phiphidon]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

... posts doubting this removed, too many quotes, sorry...

you're welcome to use the search system - buchholz tells me it's very efficient.

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

Searching needs to be done using a combination of AND, OR, similar to, and such things. Not so easy. In this particular case dear member phiphidon may not have said 'critical', but may be 'could be better', or 'not really perfect'. Now try telling a (publicly) available search engine to understand you mean 'any phiphidon post which may be construed as possibly critical of or at least not really positive towards certain aspects pertaining the red-shirts, UDD and/or similar type of factions and having relevance to Thailand.

Precisely - notice the irony there?

[phiphidon]

The headline of this thread is incorrect. The charges have not been lifted, the morally malleable head of DSI Tharit has forwarded them to the AG with the advice not to proceed.

It is now up to the AG to decide whether the courts should be the arbiter of guilt or innocence or will he make a decision that could well be perceived as biased and/or corrupt. In most places, that perception would be important enough in a high profile case to be forwarded. In other places, the perception is much closer to reality.

I'd already mentioned that fact in reply to your post #57

The DSI has agreed that there is no case to answer but has fowarded the case recommending the cases be dropped to the Prosecution. They get the final say.

The title is correct inasmuch as the Lese Majeste cases have been recommended to be dropped by the DSI in its report to the the prosecutors.

You can still live in hope if that is your wont.

[animatic]

It would appear Tharit is hoping to not be replaced, so he hedged his bets saying drop the charges, but the AG, not under the same pressure, may not do so...

"morally malleable" Such a lovely and appropriate turn of phrase.

Edited May 13, 2012 by animatic

[Yunla]

"morally malleable" Such a lovely and appropriate turn of phrase.

Sculptable scruples.

[OzMick]

The headline of this thread is incorrect. The charges have not been lifted, the morally malleable head of DSI Tharit has forwarded them to the AG with the advice not to proceed.

It is now up to the AG to decide whether the courts should be the arbiter of guilt or innocence or will he make a decision that could well be perceived as biased and/or corrupt. In most places, that perception would be important enough in a high profile case to be forwarded. In other places, the perception is much closer to reality.

I'd already mentioned that fact in reply to your post #57

The DSI has agreed that there is no case to answer but has fowarded the case recommending the cases be dropped to the Prosecution. They get the final say.

The title is correct inasmuch as the Lese Majeste cases have been recommended to be dropped by the DSI in its report to the the prosecutors.

You can still live in hope if that is your wont.

Expecting a PTP politician to do the right thing is rather silly isn't it. Still, I hope that a mercenary propaganda agitator who helped the death of 91 people and huge property and business losses might eventually get some form of justice.

Unlikely though under the current government, as he's PTP's mercenary. OTOH some charges have no SOL.

[OzMick]

"morally malleable" Such a lovely and appropriate turn of phrase.

Sculptable scruples.

He does have principles, and if you don't like them, he has others. (Groucho)

[SomTumTiger]

It's really up to you, I really don't care if you believe me or not. Lets see what happens in reality and then you can apologise.

Only Phiphidon approved news sources may be used on TV. The ones he, personally, approves of.

[OzMick]

It would appear Tharit is hoping to not be replaced, so he hedged his bets saying drop the charges, but the AG, not under the same pressure, may not do so...

"morally malleable" Such a lovely and appropriate turn of phrase.

The phrase is not mine originally but from another poster. I would credit but can't track it.

[Buchholz]

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

.

If you use one rigid term such as "critical" I'm not suprised you're coming up empty. Believe me or don't believe me, as with Rubl it really doesn't matter to me.

Shame you can't recall any of the words you used for any of your alleged multiple posts critical of the Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin.

That would assist in searching for those posts, if they exist.

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Edited May 13, 2012 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

.

If you use one rigid term such as "critical" I'm not suprised you're coming up empty. Believe me or don't believe me, as with Rubl it really doesn't matter to me.

Shame you can't recall any of the words you used for any of your multiple posts critical of the Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin.

That would assist in searching for those posts.

.

Well seeing this thread is about the dropping of Lese Majeste charges against Jatuporn I hardly think my posts critical of the red shirts etc will further the debate. In addition maybe even you can see the irony of making attacks on the messenger rather than the post.

Perhaps you could direct some of that pent up energy to answering a question I've asked several times now, a question which is On Topic,

Any chance of providing a link or links to back up the statement that several people were arrested for passing around anti monarchy pamphlets at that same rally, the statement that you have agreed to as being the truth of the situation?

I've asked three times now and still haven't had a reply so shall I just put it down to the usual scattergun approach of seeding untruths throughout the forum?

[Babcock]

The headline of this thread is incorrect. The charges have not been lifted, the morally malleable head of DSI Tharit has forwarded them to the AG with the advice not to proceed.

It is now up to the AG to decide whether the courts should be the arbiter of guilt or innocence or will he make a decision that could well be perceived as biased and/or corrupt. In most places, that perception would be important enough in a high profile case to be forwarded. In other places, the perception is much closer to reality.

I'd already mentioned that fact in reply to your post #57

The DSI has agreed that there is no case to answer but has fowarded the case recommending the cases be dropped to the Prosecution. They get the final say.

The title is correct inasmuch as the Lese Majeste cases have been recommended to be dropped by the DSI in its report to the the prosecutors.

You can still live in hope if that is your wont.

Expecting a PTP politician to do the right thing is rather silly isn't it. Still, I hope that a mercenary propaganda agitator who helped the death of 91 people and huge property and business losses might eventually get some form of justice.

Unlikely though under the current government, as he's PTP's mercenary. OTOH some charges have no SOL.

i'm glad you put "death of 91 people" before "huge property and business."

Let's have some balance and not moral equivalence.

[Babcock]

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

.

If you use one rigid term such as "critical" I'm not suprised you're coming up empty. Believe me or don't believe me, as with Rubl it really doesn't matter to me.

Shame you can't recall any of the words you used for any of your multiple posts critical of the Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin.

That would assist in searching for those posts.

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Well seeing this thread is about the dropping of Lese Majeste charges against Jatuporn I hardly think my posts critical of the red shirts etc will further the debate. In addition maybe even you can see the irony of making attacks on the messenger rather than the post.

Perhaps you could direct some of that pent up energy to answering a question I've asked several times now, a question which is On Topic,

Any chance of providing a link or links to back up the statement that several people were arrested for passing around anti monarchy pamphlets at that same rally, the statement that you have agreed to as being the truth of the situation?

I've asked three times now and still haven't had a reply so shall I just put it down to the usual scattergun approach of seeding untruths throughout the forum?

Don't worry.

He's looking!

[Buchholz]

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

.

If you use one rigid term such as "critical" I'm not suprised you're coming up empty. Believe me or don't believe me, as with Rubl it really doesn't matter to me.

Shame you can't recall any of the words you used for any of your multiple posts critical of the Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin.

That would assist in searching for those posts.

Well seeing this thread is about the dropping of Lese Majeste charges against Jatuporn I hardly think my posts critical of the red shirts etc will further the debate. In addition maybe even you can see the irony of making attacks on the messenger rather than the post.

Fair enough. Your initial claim alleging posts critical of Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin that was never substantiated and that started the tangent could be interpreted as off-topic.

But at least with the absence of those posts, it's resolved now so no need to pursue it further.

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[Buchholz]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

Both Yingluck and Thaksin have said there will be no changes to the law.

Deputy PM Chalerm has even established an LM "War Room" to scrutinize for even additional offenders.

some very recent reiteration of her earlier voiced opinion....

PM Firm against Amending Lese Majeste Law

The prime minister affirms that the government has no plan to amend the Criminal Code's Article 112 on lese majeste.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra insisted that the government will not meddle with the attempt for the amendment of the Criminal Code's Article 112 on lese majeste launched by the Campaign Committee for the Amendment of Article 112.

Yingluck noted that the matter was already discussed by government coalition parties and conclusion was reached.

She added that there are many issues, especially economic problems, that need to be urgently solved by the government.

-- Tan Network 2012-05-11

[phiphidon]

Well seeing this thread is about the dropping of Lese Majeste charges against Jatuporn I hardly think my posts critical of the red shirts etc will further the debate. In addition maybe even you can see the irony of making attacks on the messenger rather than the post.

Fair enough. Your initial claim alleging posts critical of Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin that was never substantiated and that started the tangent could be interpreted as off-topic.

But at least with the absence of those posts, it's resolved now so no need to pursue it further.

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Same old , same old - you snipped a part of my post which was actually relevant to the thread i.e

I've asked three times now and still haven't had a reply so shall I just put it down to the usual scattergun approach of seeding untruths throughout the forum?

So, in the same manner as you have taken the fact that I see no reason to lie to you about my previous posts criticising the red shirts etc. but you will not accept that, I will take the abscence of evidence provided in response to my question as proof that there were no people arrested for handing out anti monarchy pamphlets at this rally. Therefore it was just another lie dropped in casually to the thread with the aim to get people to think it's the truth. Such is the state of debate on this forum.

[Buchholz]

Well seeing this thread is about the dropping of Lese Majeste charges against Jatuporn I hardly think my posts critical of the red shirts etc will further the debate. In addition maybe even you can see the irony of making attacks on the messenger rather than the post.

Fair enough. Your initial claim alleging posts critical of Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin that was never substantiated and that started the tangent could be interpreted as off-topic.

But at least with the absence of those posts, it's resolved now so no need to pursue it further.

Same old , same old - you snipped a part of my post which was actually relevant to the thread i.e

I've asked three times now

As said, fair enough that you were unable to substantiate your earlier claim. No need for you to try and dodge around it further.

As to snipping your post, it was in an effort to get a straight answer from you on one issue at time, rather than you obfuscating when asked a specific question on one issue by introducing other issues in your reply.

As for documenting what someone else said, I would suggest you ask that person that made the statement instead of inflammatory posts directed at someone else ( that were necessarily snipped to reduce the flaming. )

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Edited May 13, 2012 by Buchholz

[Jawnie]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

Both Yingluck and Thaksin have said there will be no changes to the law.

Deputy PM Chalerm has even established an LM "War Room" to scrutinize for even additional offenders.

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The problem is that the military and the entrenched power interests want to keep this law. The fact that the Army claims to be protecting the monarchy is simply hateful nonsense. The reality is that it keeps the Army and it's traditional base of support in power. Any politician, political group, or acting Thai government, which might make a serious attempt at repealing Article 112 would be unceremoniously removed from power by the Army under the guise of "protecting the monarchy" including the use of Article 112 against opposition individuals. This is the nasty, backward, and self-perpetuating anti-democratic governance Thais find themselves with.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Jawnie

[whybother]

The problem is that the military and the entrenched power interests want to keep this law. The fact that the Army claims to be protecting the monarchy is simply hateful nonsense. The reality is that it keeps the Army and it's traditional base of support in power. Any politician, political group, or acting Thai government, which might make a serious attempt at repealing Article 112 would be unceremoniously removed from power by the Army under the guise of "protecting the monarchy" including the use of Article 112 against opposition individuals. This is the nasty, backward, and self-perpetuating anti-democratic governance Thais find themselves with.

That might explain why the current government don't want to repeal the law, but it doesn't explain why they are spending 400 million baht setting up a war room specifically looking for people that are breaking this law.

[phiphidon]

As said, fair enough that you were unable to substantiate your earlier claim. No need for you to try and dodge around it further.

As to snipping your post, it was in an effort to get a straight answer from you on one issue at time, rather than you obfuscating when asked a specific question on one issue by introducing other issues in your reply.

As for documenting what someone else said, I would suggest you ask that person that made the statement instead of inflammatory posts directed at someone else ( that were necessarily snipped to reduce the flaming. )

.

I'd already asked the originator and received no reply. you picked up his point about the "pamphleteers" and reiterated it, therefore it seemed logical to ask you for evidence as well seeing that you purported the statement was true.

You must have some reason why you believe that several people were arrested for handing out anti monarchy leaflets otherwise you wouldn't have agreed with its veracity, surely?

[Buchholz]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

Both Yingluck and Thaksin have said there will be no changes to the law.

Deputy PM Chalerm has even established an LM "War Room" to scrutinize for even additional offenders.

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The problem is that the military and the entrenched power interests want to keep this law.

We can definitely see the "entrenched power interests" of Yingluck, Thaksin, and Chalerm wanting to keep this law.

They have the majority of seats in Parliament to change it, but have clearly stated they have no intention to do so.

As to why they won't, that's up for speculation, but I don't think the threat of a coup if they did is the reason.

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[Buchholz]

As said, fair enough that you were unable to substantiate your earlier claim. No need for you to try and dodge around it further.

As to snipping your post, it was in an effort to get a straight answer from you on one issue at time, rather than you obfuscating when asked a specific question on one issue by introducing other issues in your reply.

As for documenting what someone else said, I would suggest you ask that person that made the statement instead of inflammatory posts directed at someone else ( that were necessarily snipped to reduce the flaming. )

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I'd already asked the originator and received no reply. you picked up his point about the "pamphleteers" and reiterated it, therefore it seemed logical to ask you for evidence as well seeing that you purported the statement was true.

You must have some reason why you believe that several people were arrested for handing out anti monarchy leaflets otherwise you wouldn't have agreed with its veracity, surely?

If you asked the original poster who claimed it and didn't receive a reply, perhaps you could harangue him into submission instead of directing your frustrations at another poster that didn't claim it.

I took what the other poster said at face value as he has a credible history IMO.

I think we've reached the end of this dreary episode of your misdirected stalking or is there more?

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Edited May 13, 2012 by Buchholz

[bigbamboo]

The problem is that the military and the entrenched power interests want to keep this law. The fact that the Army claims to be protecting the monarchy is simply hateful nonsense. The reality is that it keeps the Army and it's traditional base of support in power. Any politician, political group, or acting Thai government, which might make a serious attempt at repealing Article 112 would be unceremoniously removed from power by the Army under the guise of "protecting the monarchy" including the use of Article 112 against opposition individuals. This is the nasty, backward, and self-perpetuating anti-democratic governance Thais find themselves with.

That might explain why the current government don't want to repeal the law, but it doesn't explain why they are spending 400 million baht setting up a war room specifically looking for people that are breaking this law.

Article 112 is now clearly a political tool and Thailand has enough of those in parliament already.

[Skywalker69]

I find it odd that the DSI is in the business of recommending that charges be dropped. Surely that is the sole responsibility of the Prosecution Office and the Justice Department?

Which is controlled by

Justice Minister

Pheu Thai Party MP

Police General

Pracha Promnog

so either way, the charges aren't going anywhere

it's the benefit of having many bases covered....it's how dynasties are created

same, same Thailand circa 2005

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Every time i see a photo of one of the red leaders their eyes are redder than their shirts!

Yes, and I bet it´s not from "Lao Kaow"

[FOODLOVER]

The problem is that the military and the entrenched power interests want to keep this law. The fact that the Army claims to be protecting the monarchy is simply hateful nonsense. The reality is that it keeps the Army and it's traditional base of support in power. Any politician, political group, or acting Thai government, which might make a serious attempt at repealing Article 112 would be unceremoniously removed from power by the Army under the guise of "protecting the monarchy" including the use of Article 112 against opposition individuals. This is the nasty, backward, and self-perpetuating anti-democratic governance Thais find themselves with.

That might explain why the current government don't want to repeal the law, but it doesn't explain why they are spending 400 million baht setting up a war room specifically looking for people that are breaking this law.

Article 112 is now clearly a political tool and Thailand has enough of those in parliament already.

HAHA,tools in parliament!

[MaiChai]

You guys are trying to apply intelligence and logic to something that has neither.

Its just so sad seeing a great country being totally corrupted by one man. I feel sorry for the Thais and I am glad I am not a Thai.

[phiphidon]

The problem is that the military and the entrenched power interests want to keep this law. The fact that the Army claims to be protecting the monarchy is simply hateful nonsense. The reality is that it keeps the Army and it's traditional base of support in power. Any politician, political group, or acting Thai government, which might make a serious attempt at repealing Article 112 would be unceremoniously removed from power by the Army under the guise of "protecting the monarchy" including the use of Article 112 against opposition individuals. This is the nasty, backward, and self-perpetuating anti-democratic governance Thais find themselves with.

That might explain why the current government don't want to repeal the law, but it doesn't explain why they are spending 400 million baht setting up a war room specifically looking for people that are breaking this law.

Article 112 is now clearly a political tool and Thailand has enough of those in parliament already.

It was first used as a political tool by the abhisit government, that much is obvious. As far as I am aware no one has been arrested under Article 112 under this government - please tell me if I am wrong.

[whybother]

It was first used as a political tool by the abhisit government, that much is obvious. As far as I am aware no one has been arrested under Article 112 under this government - please tell me if I am wrong.

All that money spent by Chalerm and no results?

[phiphidon]

If you asked the original poster who claimed it and didn't receive a reply, perhaps you could harangue him into submission instead of directing your frustrations at another poster that didn't claim it.

I took what the other poster said at face value as he has a credible history IMO.

I think we've reached the end of this dreary episode of your misdirected stalking or is there more?

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Sorry, did I read this post wrong then? "Took him at face value" my A.

Jatuporn’s case being dropped just further shows what a fine political tool article 112 continues to be. There is no way the PTP (and its master) is ever going to give it up.

as per above, "the PTP (and its master)" have said they won't give it up.

When are the cases against the Red Shirts that were passing out anti-monarchy pamphlets at the very rally that Jatuporn spoke at going to have their cases dropped and be released from jail (they didn’t get bail).

Oh wait, they aren’t up for cabinet positions are they.

the often-preached-for-but-never-followed "avoid double standards" once again applies to its feigned proponents

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Edited May 13, 2012 by phiphidon