Thai Govt Slammed For Not Providing Justice To Victims Of Crackdown

[spidermike007]

They need to charge and convict the red shirts for firing grenades, killing police, killing soldiers, killing civilians and for arson. They also need to charge their self exiled leader.

This is exactly what I was saying in the earlier thread. The red shirts have to be held accountable for what they did, which was heinous. To protest was one thing. But, to shut down the capital for 7 weeks? I think the whole thing got out of control, and even the red shirt leaders lost control of the thing. They more or less admitted that. Now that the red shirts are in power all is forgotten. It is a travesty of justice.

[pauljones]

Try reading some of the banned books about what is going on in Thailand. Just be careful not to get caught or the wonderful group you endorse will have you thrown in jail for 15 years.

You mean Pheu Thai Party's Chalerm's LM War Room staff?

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No. I mean thoughtful accounts of Thai history that is prohibited from being read in Thailand.

[pauljones]

They need to charge and convict the red shirts for firing grenades, killing police, killing soldiers, killing civilians and for arson. They also need to charge their self exiled leader.

This is exactly what I was saying in the earlier thread. The red shirts have to be held accountable for what they did, which was heinous. To protest was one thing. But, to shut down the capital for 7 weeks? I think the whole thing got out of control, and even the red shirt leaders lost control of the thing. They more or less admitted that. Now that the red shirts are in power all is forgotten. It is a travesty of justice.

What about the illegal coup that started the mess. What happened to those guys? Gave themselves amnesty after they tore up the constitution.........

Again. The double standards that is the backbone of the red movement.

Lets be fair.

[gand]

They need to charge and convict the red shirts for firing grenades, killing police, killing soldiers, killing civilians and for arson. They also need to charge their self exiled leader.

This is exactly what I was saying in the earlier thread. The red shirts have to be held accountable for what they did, which was heinous. To protest was one thing. But, to shut down the capital for 7 weeks? I think the whole thing got out of control, and even the red shirt leaders lost control of the thing. They more or less admitted that. Now that the red shirts are in power all is forgotten. It is a travesty of justice.

What about the illegal coup that started the mess. What happened to those guys? Gave themselves amnesty after they tore up the constitution.........

Again. The double standards that is the backbone of the red movement.

Lets be fair.

Removing an illegal PM(Thaksin) would NOT be classified as an illegal coup, it would be a legal one. The 2010 riots were an illegal coup attempt.

[waza]

The People's Information Centre! Does anyone have any idea what this is?

pauljones get a life and stop whinning, oh the coup, oh the yellows, oh the almart system. We have heard it all before, this doesnt make victims of mob of rioting violent hoodlems who fire granades into security forces, unarmed civillians, gasoline tankers and barracade themselves in Bangkoks city center for months then burn it down.

[whybother]

What about the illegal coup that started the mess. What happened to those guys? Gave themselves amnesty after they tore up the constitution.........

Again. The double standards that is the backbone of the red movement.

Lets be fair.

Would that be the 1932 illegal coup?

I think you will find what started this current mess, is Thaksin changing the laws so that he could sell his company.

[looping]

This is a bargaining chip for T. Nothing more, nothing less.

'Reconciliation' has to have 2 guilty parties otherwise it's just a pardon for T. There has to be some 'guilt' on the other side to forgive. Why do you think the riots happened, with Abhisit already promising elections, why the protests, the violence, the huge expense for T? He wasn't being generous, that was a long term investment and he's expecting high returns.

Alls fair in love, war and business!

[jerrysteve]

Compensation will occur when critical mass is reached...that will be the flash point when hell freezers over! .

[Buchholz]

Try reading some of the banned books about what is going on in Thailand. Just be careful not to get caught or the wonderful group you endorse will have you thrown in jail for 15 years.

You mean Pheu Thai Party's Chalerm's LM War Room staff?

No. I mean thoughtful accounts of Thai history that is prohibited from being read in Thailand.

Sorry if you misunderstood. I was asking if the prohibition was coming from Pheu Thai Party's Chalerm's LM War Room staff, not that they were the authors of the banned books.

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Edited May 20, 2012 by Buchholz

[hellodolly]

They need to charge and convict the red shirts for firing grenades, killing police, killing soldiers, killing civilians and for arson. They also need to charge their self exiled leader.

This is exactly what I was saying in the earlier thread. The red shirts have to be held accountable for what they did, which was heinous. To protest was one thing. But, to shut down the capital for 7 weeks? I think the whole thing got out of control, and even the red shirt leaders lost control of the thing. They more or less admitted that. Now that the red shirts are in power all is forgotten. It is a travesty of justice.

What about the illegal coup that started the mess. What happened to those guys? Gave themselves amnesty after they tore up the constitution.........

Again. The double standards that is the backbone of the red movement.

Lets be fair.

Once again you surprise me.

You hit the nail right on the head. The double standards is the backbone of the red movement.

They have no interest in Justice just a bunch of greedy little pigs.

[waza]

They need to charge and convict the red shirts for firing grenades, killing police, killing soldiers, killing civilians and for arson. They also need to charge their self exiled leader.

This is exactly what I was saying in the earlier thread. The red shirts have to be held accountable for what they did, which was heinous. To protest was one thing. But, to shut down the capital for 7 weeks? I think the whole thing got out of control, and even the red shirt leaders lost control of the thing. They more or less admitted that. Now that the red shirts are in power all is forgotten. It is a travesty of justice.

What about the illegal coup that started the mess. What happened to those guys? Gave themselves amnesty after they tore up the constitution.........

Again. The double standards that is the backbone of the red movement.

Lets be fair.

and that my friends is a freudian slip

[MaiChai]

Taksin wants reconciliation so he can come back (read his crimes whitewashed). So he tries to persuade the red shirts to reconcile. Very clear they don't want reconciliation; they want justice on their terms. We know people talk about forgive and forget but some people maintain that as a front but in fact hold a grudge and will retaliate when there is an opportunity. Thus reconciliation is a pipe dream; it will be reconciliation on some ones terms and other parties will not agree. Wait and see; reconciliation wont happen.

[birdpooguava]

The Yellow shirts would have been gunned down to if they had been stupid enough to open fire on the army.

They were only there for about ten days not two months. They did not invade a hospital or hold huge rallies urging their members to burn Bangkok down or negotiate in bad faith.

Like trying to compare apples to oranges.

Of course the yellow shirts don't shoot at the Army. The Army backs them.

The yellows do shoot at Police though. (and get away with it)

Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?

Closing down an airport is OK but closing down an intersection is not OK?

It is very obvious you get your news from The Nation.

Try reading some of the banned books about what is going on in Thailand. Just be careful not to get caught or the wonderful group you endorse will have you thrown in jail for 15 years.

Being ignorant is the safer choice...

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

[OzMick]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

[pauljones]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

Mick, I would like to post some links but my account would get deleted and I could possibly end up in prison.

Certainly you don't support that type of repression?

[OzMick]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

Mick, I would like to post some links but my account would get deleted and I could possibly end up in prison.

Certainly you don't support that type of repression?

No, but has this anything to do with the thread, except perhaps that this government supports that repression.

Personally, I would rather discuss the perceived injustice of criminals who don't realise that the courts see them as criminals.

[Siam Simon]

"Justice has not been delivered yet and so far, not a single government official has been prosecuted for those deaths and injuries," the PIC said.

Government officials at the time acted legitimately, so should probably not be punished. Any protester that participated in those riots should be punished. What they were doing was illegal and they knew it.

If the yellow shirts were gunned down at the airport, the red shirts probably would not have needed to protest in the first place.

Double standards is their gripe, no?

If the Red Shirts were gunned down a full year and a half before the airport, the yellow shirts probably would not have needed to protest in the first place.

Double standards may be the Red Shirts gripe, but it's a false one.

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Eh? How would a violent dispersal of the protest outside Prem's residence have stopped the PAD protests?

[Siam Simon]

The People's Information Centre! Does anyone have any idea what this is?

pauljones get a life and stop whinning, oh the coup, oh the yellows, oh the almart system. We have heard it all before, this doesnt make victims of mob of rioting violent hoodlems who fire granades into security forces, unarmed civillians, gasoline tankers and barracade themselves in Bangkoks city center for months then burn it down.

Ah, so you can whine all you like about your own perceived injustices, but posters wanting to discuss other perceived injustices need to get a life? Got it .

[Moruya]

What about the protestors providing relief to the country? Has it already been forgotten that these people shut the country down for 7 weeks? My feeling is that if the government was guilty of anything, it was that they did not act sooner to put down the unrest. Democratic protests are one thing. Blocking major boulevards, and shutting down the capital is quite another, and should not be tolerated in any democracy. If anything the people are to account to the country. Not the government to the people!

The yellow shirt group can't win an election so they resort to Army coups, violence, propaganda, intimidation. They have robbed the country blind for decades and jail anyone that speaks up.

A bunch if privileged crybabies that are seeing their brutal grip on Thailand slip away.

So you think the army should have shot at the unarmed Yellow Shirts? Mmmmmmmmmm.

And you think a group that set out for a "No" vote in an election should have won it? Mmmmmmmmmm

What Yellow shity violence and intimidation has there been since the previous election was called? Mmmmmmmmmmmm

Just about sums up the quality of your views!

[Buchholz]

If the yellow shirts were gunned down at the airport, the red shirts probably would not have needed to protest in the first place.

Double standards is their gripe, no?

If the Red Shirts were gunned down a full year and a half before the airport, the yellow shirts probably would not have needed to protest in the first place.

Double standards may be the Red Shirts gripe, but it's a false one.

Eh? How would a violent dispersal of the protest outside Prem's residence have stopped the PAD protests?

You need Paul's explanation first to get the complete picture.

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[birdpooguava]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

So why did the army spokeman announce that they had snipers in various tall buildings, and please explain the video shots of army snipers on various rooftops???

So where was Seh Daeng shot from Mick, ground level?

"I can clearly state that at the Satri Witaya School was a sniper, because i was at the receiving end of the maybe last round fired by this sniper – the fortunately only bullet i came close to that day." Nick Nostitz // Apr 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm

[Moruya]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

So why did the army spokeman announce that they had snipers in various tall buildings, and please explain the video shots of army snipers on various rooftops???

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So where was Seh Daeng shot from Mick, ground level?

"I can clearly state that at the Satri Witaya School was a sniper, because i was at the receiving end of the maybe last round fired by this sniper – the fortunately only bullet i came close to that day." Nick Nostitz // Apr 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm

One red shirt sympathiser quoting another red shirt sympathiser in support does not make a fact. It makes a dubious statement.

[birdpooguava]

One red shirt sympathiser quoting another red shirt sympathiser in support does not make a fact. It makes a dubious statement.

He was there, you weren't.

& how about the video? Even if you can't understand what he's saying you will see the damning evidence of the snipers on various buildings around the protest site.

[OzMick]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

So why did the army spokeman announce that they had snipers in various tall buildings, and please explain the video shots of army snipers on various rooftops???

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So where was Seh Daeng shot from Mick, ground level?

"I can clearly state that at the Satri Witaya School was a sniper, because i was at the receiving end of the maybe last round fired by this sniper – the fortunately only bullet i came close to that day." Nick Nostitz // Apr 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Do you EVER stop to think about what you are writing? On an off topic sideline about Chula, you now want to include Seh Dang and any other sniper that may have been deployed? Was Seh Dang shot from Chula, was it even the same day? If there is a sniper on one building, is that proof there is a sniper on EVERY building?

BTW what is your hang-up about the RTA using snipers to pick the armed militants from a crowd? Would you prefer artillery or high altitude aerial bombing?

[GentlemanJim]

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

Well if there is, and I doubt it, you will have no problems providing links to such evidence. But I won't hold my breath waiting.

So why did the army spokeman announce that they had snipers in various tall buildings, and please explain the video shots of army snipers on various rooftops???

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So where was Seh Daeng shot from Mick, ground level?

"I can clearly state that at the Satri Witaya School was a sniper, because i was at the receiving end of the maybe last round fired by this sniper – the fortunately only bullet i came close to that day." Nick Nostitz // Apr 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Well whoever Nick is talking about when he says he was on the receiving end of the last round could not have been an army sniper then could he, as if he was Nick would never have been able to publish his message, as he would now be pushing up daisies (number 92, 93, 94, 103 depending on who you talk to on here). How do you say you were on the receiving end of a snipers last bullet Nick? Is that what's known as journalistic license?

A soldier on a rooftop is just a soldier on a rooftop, same as a soldier on the ground. A 'sniper' would not have missed. During a riot when there were armed black shirt militia and redshirts firing on the army with automatic weapons and RPG's, what is wrong with getting some soldiers on 'high ground' to try and observe and take out the threat effectively from on high. You have no idea at all what those soldiers in the clip were firing at or what threat they were trying to neutralize. One thing for sure is they are Thai and there is no way they would have been picking off peaceful Thai protestors. Armed militia wearing black from cambodia and myanmar would not have faced such a moral dichotomy now would they?

Edited May 21, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[OzMick]

Well whoever Nick is talking about when he says he was on the receiving end of the last round could not have been an army sniper then could he, as if he was Nick would never have been able to publish his message, as he would now be pushing up daisies (number 92, 93, 94, 103 depending on who you talk to on here). How do you say you were on the receiving end of a snipers last bullet Nick? Is that what's known as journalistic license?

A soldier on a rooftop is just a soldier on a rooftop, same as a soldier on the ground. A 'sniper' would not have missed. During a riot when there were armed black shirt militia and redshirts firing on the army with automatic weapons and RPG's, what is wrong with getting some soldiers on 'high ground' to try and observe and take out the threat effectively from on high. You have no idea at all what those soldiers in the clip were firing at or what threat they were trying to neutralize. One thing for sure is they are Thai and there is no way they would have been picking off peaceful Thai protestors. Armed militia wearing black from cambodia and myanmar would not have faced such a moral dichotomy now would they?

Not every shot fired is intended to kill. Like the guy shot in the foot while trying to torch a truck (9 points with a degree of difficulty of 9.5), Nick could have been sent a gentle indication to take his presence elsewhere. I assume there was no ambiguity in the message?

The would-be truck torcher (can we call him "Skippy") certainly got the message that arson of government vehicles is an anti-social activity, and that he should decease and desist immediately. ("decease" as in stop doing it rather than die, although the option was there.)

[birdpooguava]

The Yellow shirts would have been gunned down to if they had been stupid enough to open fire on the army.

They were only there for about ten days not two months. They did not invade a hospital or hold huge rallies urging their members to burn Bangkok down or negotiate in bad faith.

Like trying to compare apples to oranges.

Of course the yellow shirts don't shoot at the Army. The Army backs them.

The yellows do shoot at Police though. (and get away with it)

Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?

Closing down an airport is OK but closing down an intersection is not OK?

It is very obvious you get your news from The Nation.

Try reading some of the banned books about what is going on in Thailand. Just be careful not to get caught or the wonderful group you endorse will have you thrown in jail for 15 years.

Being ignorant is the safer choice...

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Well why then are you trying to ridicule the existence of snipers? It has been proven there were many government snipers in and on many buildings. Why do you think then that is is inconceivable they were in Chula hospital? This whole Chula hospital thing stinks. They are blatant red haters & pulled it as a big publicity stunt to the detriment of their patients.

[GentlemanJim]

Well whoever Nick is talking about when he says he was on the receiving end of the last round could not have been an army sniper then could he, as if he was Nick would never have been able to publish his message, as he would now be pushing up daisies (number 92, 93, 94, 103 depending on who you talk to on here). How do you say you were on the receiving end of a snipers last bullet Nick? Is that what's known as journalistic license?

A soldier on a rooftop is just a soldier on a rooftop, same as a soldier on the ground. A 'sniper' would not have missed. During a riot when there were armed black shirt militia and redshirts firing on the army with automatic weapons and RPG's, what is wrong with getting some soldiers on 'high ground' to try and observe and take out the threat effectively from on high. You have no idea at all what those soldiers in the clip were firing at or what threat they were trying to neutralize. One thing for sure is they are Thai and there is no way they would have been picking off peaceful Thai protestors. Armed militia wearing black from cambodia and myanmar would not have faced such a moral dichotomy now would they?

Not every shot fired is intended to kill. Like the guy shot in the foot while trying to torch a truck (9 points with a degree of difficulty of 9.5), Nick could have been sent a gentle indication to take his presence elsewhere. I assume there was no ambiguity in the message?

The would-be truck torcher (can we call him "Skippy") certainly got the message that arson of government vehicles is an anti-social activity, and that he should decease and desist immediately. ("decease" as in stop doing it rather than die, although the option was there.)

A fair point, well made, but obviously a sniper capable of taking such a shot would not be randomly hitting innocent protestors. It would be fair to say with a sniper that the bullet goes where it is intended and I just don't believe that would be in to the backs of elderly peaceful redshirt protestors.

[hyperdimension]

It would be fair to say with a sniper that the bullet goes where it is intended and I just don't believe that would be in to the backs of elderly peaceful redshirt protestors.

Killing peaceful red shirt protesters, particularly elderly ones, wouldn't have been financially worth doing, considering that each death is costing the government 7.4M baht and that elderly people would eventually be dying naturally soon anyway.

[GentlemanJim]

It would be fair to say with a sniper that the bullet goes where it is intended and I just don't believe that would be in to the backs of elderly peaceful redshirt protestors.

Killing peaceful red shirt protesters, particularly elderly ones, wouldn't have been financially worth doing, considering that each death is costing the government 7.4M baht and that elderly people would eventually be dying naturally soon anyway.

I don't understand? What, had the previous Government already decided on a compensation payout and briefed the snipers accordingly to get their monies worth?