Thai Govt Slammed For Not Providing Justice To Victims Of Crackdown

[OzMick]

The Yellow shirts would have been gunned down to if they had been stupid enough to open fire on the army.

They were only there for about ten days not two months. They did not invade a hospital or hold huge rallies urging their members to burn Bangkok down or negotiate in bad faith.

Like trying to compare apples to oranges.

Of course the yellow shirts don't shoot at the Army. The Army backs them.

The yellows do shoot at Police though. (and get away with it)

Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?

Closing down an airport is OK but closing down an intersection is not OK?

It is very obvious you get your news from The Nation.

Try reading some of the banned books about what is going on in Thailand. Just be careful not to get caught or the wonderful group you endorse will have you thrown in jail for 15 years.

Being ignorant is the safer choice...

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Well why then are you trying to ridicule the existence of snipers? It has been proven there were many government snipers in and on many buildings. Why do you think then that is is inconceivable they were in Chula hospital? This whole Chula hospital thing stinks. They are blatant red haters & pulled it as a big publicity stunt to the detriment of their patients.

Why have you gone back to an earlier post to reply? The answer to my first question is obviously a resounding NO! but to be dodged.

I haven't ridiculed the existence of snipers, i have acknowledged them as a logical tactic. OTOH i don't accept they were in Chula because the only evidence presented is that the reds thought they were there. Given my opinion of red thought, that is insufficient.

Yes the Chula thing stunk and the stink still clings to the thugs forcing their way in on their suspicion. The doctors and nurses were red haters - as intelligent professional people treating the victims of mob violence, possibly so, at least they had adequate reason.

That answers all your questions - care to answer any of mine, or shall we go back on-topic?

[Moruya]

One red shirt sympathiser quoting another red shirt sympathiser in support does not make a fact. It makes a dubious statement.

He was there, you weren't.

& how about the video? Even if you can't understand what he's saying you will see the damning evidence of the snipers on various buildings around the protest site.

If you think the solving of Seh Daeng's death is really that simple, perhaps you should present your findings to the relevant authorities. I'm sure they would welcome it with open arms.

[OzMick]

It would be fair to say with a sniper that the bullet goes where it is intended and I just don't believe that would be in to the backs of elderly peaceful redshirt protestors.

Killing peaceful red shirt protesters, particularly elderly ones, wouldn't have been financially worth doing, considering that each death is costing the government 7.4M baht and that elderly people would eventually be dying naturally soon anyway.

OTOH if the 7.75 million is looked at as an inducement to further mercenary activity, it's a good deal.

If you were to ask red shirt wives if they would take B7.75 million in exchange for their low-earning, violent, drunken, wife-beating husbands (not that I'm saying that is an accurate description of a red shirt), you would probably get universal acceptance.

[pxlgirl]

They all (yellow/red) have blood on their hands. Supporting or opposing one or the other to an extreme degree is like people who are throwing stones and living in a glasshouse.

[gand]

Had the RTA been ordered to kill red/black shirts, there would have been a lot more of them dead. Had the RTA snipers been ordered to take out key leaders of the red/black shirts from the tops of buildings, every red/black shirt leader would be dead. The aren't, so they weren't.

[OzMick]

Had the RTA been ordered to kill red/black shirts, there would have been a lot more of them dead. Had the RTA snipers been ordered to take out key leaders of the red/black shirts from the tops of buildings, every red/black shirt leader would be dead. The aren't, so they weren't.

At the time I remember thinking of the range of options available to the RTA to consign the stage and everybody on it to the dustbin of history.

Sure their would have a bit of collateral damage, but I doubt the total would have reached 92.

[Joeb]

I have pretty much stopped posting anything about politics in any of the forums lately because it has just become a slagging match between people who are blind to positions of the other side. Everything is just seen in black or white (or red and yellow)

The political position of the PAD was about the most undemocratic proposal offered by any group in recent memory based on a total lack of respect for anyone who didn’t have the “proper education” and publically wanting to deny them the ability to have any say in their own government. Blocking the airport and taking over Government House and trashing it are things they should pay for in full under the law.

I also have no respect for some of their leaders, who I remember well from 1992, who knew they would not get resolution of their legitimate issues unless people died. People forget or don’t know about things like the hijacked fuel tankers, with people on top carrying Molotov cocktails, driving into the soldiers to get exactly the response they got.

As for the reds, they will never have my sympathy or support unless they publicly man up and admit that they share a great deal of the responsibility for loss of life and damage to the city. Their actions in Pattaya and Bangkok were disgraceful.

I strongly agree with some of the stated goals of the red movement. It is high time that everyone in the country has a fair say about how it is run and that the “little people” have rights too. The rather large Thai side of my family had a number of staunch red shirt supporters. Most of them have now abandoned the reds as they recognized they were being used as cannon fodder by one man. They still seek a vision of the country that they thought the reds represented but are now trying to find hope for the future elsewhere.

[hyperdimension]

It would be fair to say with a sniper that the bullet goes where it is intended and I just don't believe that would be in to the backs of elderly peaceful redshirt protestors.

Killing peaceful red shirt protesters, particularly elderly ones, wouldn't have been financially worth doing, considering that each death is costing the government 7.4M baht and that elderly people would eventually be dying naturally soon anyway.

I don't understand? What, had the previous Government already decided on a compensation payout and briefed the snipers accordingly to get their monies worth?

I was just thinking in hindsight about there being very little point and high later cost both financially and in public relations to killing peaceful elderly protesters.

Considering that most protesters in the crowd were middle-aged and elderly, how many of those killed were middle-aged or elderly? The answer may indicate whether the military were targeting only the armed violent protesters or shooting indiscriminately into the crowd as many red shirt supporters have claimed.

Edited May 21, 2012 by hyperdimension

[hyperdimension]

They all (yellow/red) have blood on their hands. Supporting or opposing one or the other to an extreme degree is like people who are throwing stones and living in a glasshouse.

The "yellows" have been out of the picture for a long time. Anti-red is not equivalent to pro-yellow.

[Siam Simon]

What about the protestors providing relief to the country? Has it already been forgotten that these people shut the country down for 7 weeks? My feeling is that if the government was guilty of anything, it was that they did not act sooner to put down the unrest. Democratic protests are one thing. Blocking major boulevards, and shutting down the capital is quite another, and should not be tolerated in any democracy. If anything the people are to account to the country. Not the government to the people!

The yellow shirt group can't win an election so they resort to Army coups, violence, propaganda, intimidation. They have robbed the country blind for decades and jail anyone that speaks up.

A bunch if privileged crybabies that are seeing their brutal grip on Thailand slip away.

So you think the army should have shot at the unarmed Yellow Shirts? Mmmmmmmmmm.

And you think a group that set out for a "No" vote in an election should have won it? Mmmmmmmmmm

What Yellow shity violence and intimidation has there been since the previous election was called? Mmmmmmmmmmmm

Just about sums up the quality of your views!

Hmmmmm.....quality of views..... Yellow shirts didn't have an armed element? Sometimes the codswallop posted on this forum is just so funny, it's like reading a Scoots Cartalucci or David Icke blog.

[FOODLOVER]

They all (yellow/red) have blood on their hands. Supporting or opposing one or the other to an extreme degree is like people who are throwing stones and living in a glasshouse.

Did someone throw grenades at your house?

[metisdead]

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[FOODLOVER]

Ever had a red shirt cafe open nest to your business? Do they know what they bring to a neighborhood and how many employees are canned due to there arrogance?

[looping]

It would be fair to say with a sniper that the bullet goes where it is intended and I just don't believe that would be in to the backs of elderly peaceful redshirt protestors.

Killing peaceful red shirt protesters, particularly elderly ones, wouldn't have been financially worth doing, considering that each death is costing the government 7.4M baht and that elderly people would eventually be dying naturally soon anyway.

Only 1 man could benefit from the death of innocent protesters; the guy who put them there, then had their id cards confiscated!

[moe666]

The Yellow shirts would have been gunned down to if they had been stupid enough to open fire on the army.

They were only there for about ten days not two months. They did not invade a hospital or hold huge rallies urging their members to burn Bangkok down or negotiate in bad faith.

Like trying to compare apples to oranges.

Of course the yellow shirts don't shoot at the Army. The Army backs them.

The yellows do shoot at Police though. (and get away with it)

Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?

Closing down an airport is OK but closing down an intersection is not OK?

It is very obvious you get your news from The Nation.

Try reading some of the banned books about what is going on in Thailand. Just be careful not to get caught or the wonderful group you endorse will have you thrown in jail for 15 years.

Being ignorant is the safer choice...

"Do you know why they invaded that hospital?

Were there Army/Yellow snipers in there?"

Well of course there were. But Scotty beamed them up to the Enterprise before they could be found. This replaces my theory that they had jetpacks, shot down because there were people all around the hospital who would have seen THAT.

Though I still keep the theory that the snipers hid under the beds, and the reds were too stupid to think of that, just as a reserve.

Eyes tightly shut Mick. You obviously weren't following the news and social media on that day, where there were many reports of army troops escaping out the back of Chula hospital. The evidence of government snipers in surrounding buildings at Kok Wua/Phan Fa (Satri Wittaya school) and Ratchaprasong (Seh Daeng/ Dusit & Chula hospital) is very clear and only the truly biased, brainwashed deny it.

I was in and out of that hospital several times a day during that period,girlfriends son had motorbike wreck. I walked from the front to the back and never saw any snipers in the hospital or army troops.

[waza]

The People's Information Centre! Does anyone have any idea what this is?

pauljones get a life and stop whinning, oh the coup, oh the yellows, oh the almart system. We have heard it all before, this doesnt make victims of mob of rioting violent hoodlems who fire granades into security forces, unarmed civillians, gasoline tankers and barracade themselves in Bangkoks city center for months then burn it down.

Ah, so you can whine all you like about your own perceived injustices, but posters wanting to discuss other perceived injustices need to get a life? Got it .

What percieved injustices? I havent suffered any percieved injustices. However, constantly harping on about the same misconceptions in every topic just to misdirect them is really a form of trolling.