Manchester United

[patklang]

Man u are going thru a realy bad time.Now you lot know what other fans suffer week in week out.

LOVE IT,JUST LOVE IT.

[sanmiguel]

Anyone see them 2 Manure fans the camera went to after Porto scored the 2nd that were laughing and joking they ought to be banned for life for such an act.

Anyway whats happened to Ronaldo he looks a shadow of last seasons player.

Word in da Hood is that his head's in Madrid...

Be a pity if he leaves as ive got to take my hat off to the bloke by ignoring Fergies desire for all his players to settle down and get a bird, and sh4ggin his way through most the brass in Manchester.

[Mali1964]

I wonder if that will shut that Steve guy up 1-3 made my day

[bkkjames]

I wonder if that will shut that Steve guy up 1-3 made my day

if you go to the LP thread, I am sure you will hear the excuses start to roll out....

1) We were too tired from playing Fulham

2) Our squad (62 - largest in the world) is not big enough

3) The referree was terrible

4) We were unlucky

5) Our owners are morons

6) We are in debt

7) Machorano couldn't play

8) It was a full moon

9) Our minds were on the up-coming Blackburn game

10) If we had of scored 3 more, we would have won.

[Mali1964]

I wonder if that will shut that Steve guy up 1-3 made my day

if you go to the LP thread, I am sure you will hear the excuses start to roll out....

1) We were too tired from playing Fulham

2) Our squad (62 - largest in the world) is not big enough

3) The referree was terrible

4) We were unlucky

5) Our owners are morons

6) We are in debt

7) Machorano couldn't play

8) It was a full moon

9) Our minds were on the up-coming Blackburn game

10) If we had of scored 3 more, we would have won.

The thought knocks me sick i'm back in the UK at the moment & live too close to the scoucers to start with, shell suit city & more out spoken bull shit i have to listen to daily so I'll leave them to their own thread thanks.

[MiG16]

for the record

banter is well and good

but it does not allow you to slag off others or their teams

certainly irrelevant to be slagging off LP on a ManU thread.

I suggest you stay on topic and discuss your team , performance, games as relevant.

any further violations, football banter or not, Im gonna have to start giving out warnings.

[rixalex]

banter is well and good

but it does not allow you to slag off others or their teams

Not questioning the rules of the forum, but in my humble opinion, slagging off other teams is the very essence of what banter is and it certainly should have its place on this forum, providing it is done with some decorum and respect, and doesn't become personal.

Why are people suddenly taking themselves so seriously around here today?

[MSingh]

banter is well and good

but it does not allow you to slag off others or their teams

Not questioning the rules of the forum, but in my humble opinion, slagging off other teams is the very essence of what banter is and it certainly should have its place on this forum, providing it is done with some decorum and respect, and doesn't become personal.

Why are people suddenly taking themselves so seriously around here today?

Have to agree & whilst i too agree & respect the rules of the Forum, what rix pointed out is a main reason why, believe it or not, i tiptoe around this Forum as i wouldn't want to get banned..

I do respect the rules ( if i didn't i wouldn't be writing this ) but i do honestly feel, & i'm sure others on this particular Forum would agree, that at the end of the day, we're all grown Men on here that are genuine English & Scottis Football Supporters & i'm pretty sure we can all take a bit of stick on the chin, so long as, as rix says, it's done with a bot of decorum & R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

Banter is part of Football culture & banter, whether we think so or not, is actually slagging off other Teams..

If the Forum rules decide that we can't do that, well it'd be a sad day for the Forum in my opinion, so long as it's done in the ^^ mentioned way, with decorum & respect..

Edited April 9, 2009 by MSingh

[bkkjames]

No banter...just news yawn..

Three games rescheduled

Three of United's forthcoming fixtures have been re-arranged, including home games against Manchester City and Arsenal.

But the Reds' first match to be affected by Sky Sports' selections is the away trip to Middlesbrough. Originally scheduled for Saturday 2 May, the game will now be played on Sunday 3 May at 16:00 BST. However, should United reach the UEFA Champions League semi-final stage, this game will revert to a 12:45 BST kick-off on Saturday May 2.

It's no surprise Sky have also chosen to broadcast the Manchester derby. Their selection means the game will now be played 24 hours later, on Sunday 10 May at 13:30 BST.

Finally, the kick-off has been brought forward for Arsenal's visit to Old Trafford on Saturday 16 May. The two teams will now take to the pitch at 12:45 BST, with Sky again showing the match

[mrtoad]

for the record

banter is well and good

but it does not allow you to slag off others or their teams

certainly irrelevant to be slagging off LP on a ManU thread.

I suggest you stay on topic and discuss your team , performance, games as relevant.

any further violations, football banter or not, Im gonna have to start giving out warnings.

Mig, whilst you are normally very reasoanble, I have to say that what you have written here is total nonsense.

[Jockstar]

As you were!

[rixalex]

for the record

banter is well and good

but it does not allow you to slag off others or their teams

certainly irrelevant to be slagging off LP on a ManU thread.

I suggest you stay on topic and discuss your team , performance, games as relevant.

any further violations, football banter or not, Im gonna have to start giving out warnings.

Mig, whilst you are normally very reasoanble, I have to say that what you have written here is total nonsense.

What occured yesterday was something akin to a witch-hunt, that even moderation got caught up in.

Sadly, we all have days when our team plays badly and we must bear the brunt of some piss-taking. It's either that or shut ourselves off to the world for a week or two - something i seriously contemplated after one of our recent losses!

For my taste, the banter can become a little boring and childish, but that's just me. If others enjoy it, then fair enough. It certainly never offends me. That only happens when people start making it personal or show no respect.

Anyway, don't wish to labour the point, just want to say that i hope that we can resume the banter (that may spill across threads) without people taking umbrage and losing their sense of humour.

Edited April 10, 2009 by rixalex

[bkkjames]

With respect to Migsy, not taking the p on LP in a Man Utd forum would be like not making fun of Arsenal in any forum

[StevieH]

I wonder if that will shut that Steve guy up 1-3 made my day

if you go to the LP thread, I am sure you will hear the excuses start to roll out....

1) We were too tired from playing Fulham

2) Our squad (62 - largest in the world) is not big enough

3) The referree was terrible

4) We were unlucky

5) Our owners are morons

6) We are in debt

7) Machorano couldn't play

8) It was a full moon

9) Our minds were on the up-coming Blackburn game

10) If we had of scored 3 more, we would have won.

i wasn't going to bother james, but here you go: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=2652351

[MSingh]

Sadly, we all have days when our team plays badly and we must bear the brunt of some piss-taking. It's either that or shut ourselves off to the world for a week or two - something i seriously contemplated after one of our recent losses!

Christ Rix, if i decided to do that, i'd be shutting myself away from the World for most of the Year...

Seriously, as you said yesterday, it shouldn't be taken too seriously or personally in my opinion, Jockstar knows exactly where the line not to cross is anyway so peace & love to all & COME ON YOU IRONS...

[bkkjames]

I wonder if that will shut that Steve guy up 1-3 made my day

if you go to the LP thread, I am sure you will hear the excuses start to roll out....

1) We were too tired from playing Fulham

2) Our squad (62 - largest in the world) is not big enough

3) The referree was terrible

4) We were unlucky

5) Our owners are morons

6) We are in debt

7) Machorano couldn't play

8) It was a full moon

9) Our minds were on the up-coming Blackburn game

10) If we had of scored 3 more, we would have won.

i wasn't going to bother james, but here you go: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=2652351

stevie, I didn't tell you to shut up, I just pre-empted the excuse list

[patklang]

I was astonished to read the mods warning.

Maybe he is a liverpool fan lol.

Anyway i havent seen any threads that are too below the belt and insulting,its good banter and gives some of us a chance to have a laugh at Man Poo,dont stop us doing that please please please.

[bkkjames]

Ferguson: No plans to quit Manchester United

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson has no immediate plans to retire and intends to remain in charge of the European and English champions "as long as he can," he told CNN in an exclusive interview.

Ferguson sits down with CNN's Pedro Pinto to discuss a career that has included 23 years at Old Trafford.

Ferguson, who has won the Champions League twice with Manchester United, also revealed how he craves more European success and feels that United have not won all that they could have during his more than two-decade reign at Old Trafford.

Asked who he thought would be his successor at United, Ferguson said: "I don't know what the club thinks about who the next manager is going to be but hopefully it's not for another two or three years because I intend to stay on as long as I can."

Ferguson, who is 67, also said he wanted to win "a couple more European trophies" before he quits.

"If there was one challenge I would love the club to win more European trophies then they have done and I think up to this point, quite a few times over the years, I don't think we've won the number we should have won," Ferguson said.

"There have been years where we were unlucky. The years we were disappointed. The years when we've thrown games away, and that sort of gives you a kaleidoscope of what football is like in a way. So therefore if we could just win a couple more European trophies then I would definitely quit."

Ferguson's comments comes in a rare interview with CNN's Pedro Pinto as United chase back-to-back European and English titles to add to their haul of 24 titles in his 23 seasons in charge -- a record that makes the Scot the most successful manager in British football history.

Ferguson has also raised some of the most amazing talents in the game, names who are known from Buenos Aires to Beijing, Sao Paulo to Seoul. He nurtured David Beckham through to stardom and more recently has brought world footballer of the year Cristiano Ronaldo to the very pinnacle of his game.

This year Ferguson's team are aiming for something unprecedented -- the "quintuple."

Having already claimed the FIFA Club World Cup and the League Cup, the side are leading the race for the Premier League title and they also have the Champions League and FA Cups within potential reach.

Here's what Ferguson had to say.

Pinto: Sir Alex, a lot of people consider you to be one of the most powerful men, if not the most powerful man in football. How do you see yourself, do you see yourself as a godfather of football figure? Watch in full Pedro Pinto's interview with Alex Ferguson »

Ferguson: No I don't fall into these traps of, how would you put it, praise. I think that you try to keep your feet on the ground. I think that's important. For instance, for the last, what a few weeks ago I kept trying to put down all the hyperbole about Manchester and untouchables. One minute, or the next minute or the next day you're going to get kicked in the teeth.

Pinto: What keeps you motivated every morning when you get up? What are you thinking to keep yourself at the top and really at the crest of the wave?

Ferguson: I think basically you get into a habit of your life and that is you got to get up in the morning -- I've always got to be up in the morning. I enjoy getting into my work. I love getting to this place. So there are some things that help me. The kind of club that Manchester United is. It's a great club to work for and also the expectation drives you and you can't afford to be complacent at any time. I think that when you do get complacent at this club then your results will be different. I don't have any complacency. I still work as hard as I did when I first came to the club. I work at the right club. I enjoy the expectation. I enjoy the challenge of having to be number one or try to be number one.

Pinto: Is that what you thrive under, the pressure, to keep living up to expectations and exceed them?

Ferguson: Yeah, I think that we respond to the prospect of failure. I respond to it well and I think this club over the years has done that quite well too.

Pinto: How much longer do you want to stay at Old Trafford and when do you know is the right time to turn your back on it all?

Ferguson: Well, several things will come into it. My health will be very important. You know, I'm 67 now, so therefore you hope your health, you retain your health and that way then I can still enjoy my job. If that were different I would quit my job immediately because you have to think that to do this job you have to be fit.

Pinto: But do you still think there's something else you want to do? A lot of people talk about the record of league titles that belongs to Liverpool and after Manchester United you'd say "ok I'm done"?

Ferguson: No that wouldn't come into it at all. Definitely not come into it. If there was one challenge I would love the club to win more European trophies then they have done and I think up to this point, quite a few times over the years, I don't think we've won the number we should have won. There have been years where we were unlucky. The years we were disappointed. The years when we've thrown games away, and that sort of gives you a kaleidoscope of what football is like in a way. So therefore if we could just win a couple more European trophies then I would definitely quit.

Pinto: If you do go, it will be incredibly difficult for whoever comes here. What kind of manager do you think can succeed you?

Ferguson: Well I think, obviously I'm glad it's not my decision, but I think you need someone with experience here because it's a big club now. It's a massive club. When I came here I was 46 I think I was, when I came about 45 or 46, something like that, and therefore I had the energy and I had some experience at Aberdeen of course I did have good years there so that was kind of the foundation I need to go to such a big club. But when I came here it was nothing like what it is today.

Pinto: People have spoken recently about the possibility of Jose Mourinho maybe coming here. How do you see him as a manager and do you think he would fit in here?

Ferguson: Well obviously I mean, I made a point, in terms of an experienced manager to come to Manchester United. I like Jose, I think he's a good guy, we've got on very well together but as I said, I don't know what the club thinks about who the next manager is going to be but hopefully it's not for another two or three years because I intend to stay on as long as I can. The funny thing about football is how the game changes. Now two or three years ahead I don't know what's going to happen in this world. I have absolutely no idea. So for me to think about where Jose Mourinho is going to be or Arsene Wenger is going to be or whoever it's impossible because their careers can take directions and turns which surprise you.

Pinto: Whoever comes in will have to command respect. You do that and have always done. Do you think that players fear you a little bit as well and is that important?

Ferguson: Well I think that maybe, you know, maybe there's a great respect of me because of my age and how long I've been here. Sometimes maybe fear, sometimes I lose my temper and I'm quite angry.

Pinto: Football has changed a lot since you've been here and in the world of management. Is it harder to motivate the players now because they've got everything in their lives?

Ferguson: I think it can be difficult for some types of person that have the nature that when they get into a comfortable zone they can relax too much and they can't get it back. Whereas real stars -- you think of Tiger Woods -- he's been off golf for six months, he comes back after that knee operation and there he is he wins that tournament last week. You tell me what drives him on and it is that they're special people. No matter how successful they are they have a driving force in them that makes them want to win the next one and the next one -- that's their nature. Others' nature is "oh I don't need to go to work tomorrow, I've got enough money, I'll retire at 30." And you see people even in the banking world or commercial and they retire at 45-50 years of age. They should be working till they're 70. So, you can't change the nature of people. You don't know how they're going to handle success, when they get a bit of money what are they going to be like? You don't know that till it hits you in the face or you see it and you say to yourself "he's changed" and you have to do something about it.

Pinto: What players have you most enjoyed working with and why?

Ferguson: I've been fortunate, I think the players at this club realize quite quickly they have to have a standard and they don't go below that standard or they won't be playing. So our training performances are fantastic. The intensity, the concentration, the quality is always first class. You look at someone like Ryan Giggs and he has to be the prime example of what we're after in life. Someone that has never changed, someone who at every training session does his best and throughout his 20-year career has excelled in different levels all the time. He reinvents his energy better than anyone I've ever seen.

Pinto: You have overseen the development of Cristiano Ronaldo -- he's come into the world of fame and fortune. How have you been able to keep him grounded?

Ferguson: I think that he's had the temptations and there have been periods where you have seen that effect of it. He's lucky we have people here that can tell him the truth and be straight with him and he appreciates that and he has responded to that. Fortunately Ronaldo has got good human qualities. He's a good guy and he knows the time of day, he knows when he's going too far and he draws back.

Pinto: What's your most memorable game ever? A lot of people would point to 1999.

Ferguson: Yeah, definitely. You can't beat that. With three minutes to go you're one-nil down, three minutes later you've won the European Cup. It wasn't by accident because the team kept doing that that season -- scoring late goals throughout the season. Against Liverpool in the FA Cup, against Arsenal. It just was not an accident, it told you about the character of the team it told you about the determination and the hunger to succeed.

Pinto: You won three trophies then, you can win five or six if you include the Community Shield this year could be a historic campaign. Can you do it? And how difficult is it going to be to do the clean sweep?

Ferguson: It is very difficult of course and we're trying to dismiss it in every way possible. We've had to live with all these plaudits and hyperbole in these last few months and I've been trying to dampen it down. Now, we're in a battle: we've drawn with Porto at home, we've got a difficult tie now away from home. We've lost two league games to Liverpool and Fulham -- now the press are saying we're cracking up. So, what I think I have got to do now is to remind the players that where we are at the moment, we are. It doesn't matter what happened on Tuesday night against Porto, we're still in the European Cup with a chance, we're still in the FA Cup semi-final with a chance, we're top of the league with a chance -- so what more can I do with my players but just to remind the players why we got here and that we are where we are. We're in a fantastic position.

Pinto: Who's your greatest rival in the world of football? Or who has been the greatest rival?

Ferguson: Well over a long period Arsene Wenger has been the longest survivor in terms of rivalry and particularly between the two clubs Arsenal and Manchester United has been a fantastic competition over the years. And of course with Arsene staying as long as he has that's persisted. Whereas, if you take Chelsea -- they've had three managers in the past three years, Liverpool have had seven managers in the time I've been here. No-one has survived as long as Arsene so he has to be the main rival.

Edited April 10, 2009 by bkkjames

[rixalex]

Sadly, we all have days when our team plays badly and we must bear the brunt of some piss-taking. It's either that or shut ourselves off to the world for a week or two - something i seriously contemplated after one of our recent losses!

Christ Rix, if i decided to do that, i'd be shutting myself away from the World for most of the Year...

Now this is exactly the sort of banter that does get my back up! Mr Singh, please leave it to us to take the piss out of your team. I thank you.

[MSingh]

Sadly, we all have days when our team plays badly and we must bear the brunt of some piss-taking. It's either that or shut ourselves off to the world for a week or two - something i seriously contemplated after one of our recent losses!

Christ Rix, if i decided to do that, i'd be shutting myself away from the World for most of the Year...

Now this is exactly the sort of banter that does get my back up! Mr Singh, please leave it to us to take the piss out of your team. I thank you.

[MiG16]

perhaps I didnt make myself clear

Im certianly not suggesting banter is not allowed in the football forum

it is the very reason Im personally on the football forum.

I made those remarks (and earlier PM to some) as Ive seen of late there has been more than the fun banter (or atleast thats how it has come across to me....). however, maybe you guys are still having your all fun and game exchange, but being non Brit, perhaps I missed it...and see the relentless comments as having a go at each other.

cheers

[rixalex]

perhaps I didnt make myself clear

Im certianly not suggesting banter is not allowed in the football forum

it is the very reason Im personally on the football forum.

I made those remarks (and earlier PM to some) as Ive seen of late there has been more than the fun banter (or atleast thats how it has come across to me....). however, maybe you guys are still having your all fun and game exchange, but being non Brit, perhaps I missed it...and see the relentless comments as having a go at each other.

cheers

I completely understand and can appreciate the difficulty of the job you do Mig.

My biggest concern about yesterday was that it seemed to single out one member.

[bkkjames]

perhaps I didnt make myself clear

Im certianly not suggesting banter is not allowed in the football forum

it is the very reason Im personally on the football forum.

I made those remarks (and earlier PM to some) as Ive seen of late there has been more than the fun banter (or atleast thats how it has come across to me....). however, maybe you guys are still having your all fun and game exchange, but being non Brit, perhaps I missed it...and see the relentless comments as having a go at each other.

cheers

I completely understand and can appreciate the difficulty of the job you do Mig.

My biggest concern about yesterday was that it seemed to single out one member.

Ok guys, since I am the one that seemed to stir up this mess, let me offer a few words so we can carry on as before.

Yes the banter can get extream at times, and I put this down to a couple of things.

Firstly, the group on here is very passionate about football, and our own teams in particular. Add to this the pressure of the season as it now stands - its money time.

This had lead to strong, if not always, polite barbs, to which if I could take back some I would, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The thing that is so very different about the footy forum, and invariably keeps bringing us back, is our common love of the game.

Moving forward I will try to keep this in mind, win or lose, cause at the end of the day its not cancer, and we will live to fight another day...

Go blackburn

[MSingh]

Ok guys, since I am the one that seemed to stir up this mess, let me offer a few words so we can carry on as before.

Yes the banter can get extream at times, and I put this down to a couple of things.

Firstly, the group on here is very passionate about football, and our own teams in particular. Add to this the pressure of the season as it now stands - its money time.

This had lead to strong, if not always, polite barbs, to which if I could take back some I would, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The thing that is so very different about the footy forum, and invariably keeps bringing us back, is our common love of the game.

Moving forward I will try to keep this in mind, win or lose, cause at the end of the day its not cancer, and we will live to fight another day...

Go blackburn

You really are a Lemon Jimbo...

[Jockstar]

Everyone knows where the line is. I have obviously been off for the last few weeks. So i have probably missed a few things. But lets get back to the banter and not personal attacks. As you would have seen from my post above. As you were. So lets get back to what we all love. Talking about football. For us Brits, piss taking is part of our culture. Here we know how to give and take it. If you dont then you are best to say nothing. For the non Brits, they dont always get it. They see us giving each other shit and it can be taken the wrong way. But TV has rules that we must all obey. In the football forum you get away with more than other forums(within reason) This is why you all come back day in and day out. Everyone here is a valuable contributor, without all the members in here it would be a very lonely place. So lets get back to the way it was lads. BTW i'm still hoping Liverpool can do it this season.

[MSingh]

Everyone knows where the line is. I have obviously been off for the last few weeks. So i have probably missed a few things. But lets get back to the banter and not personal attacks. As you would have seen from my post above. As you were. So lets get back to what we all love. Talking about football. For us Brits, piss taking is part of our culture. Here we know how to give and take it. If you dont then you are best to say nothing. For the non Brits, they dont always get it. They see us giving each other shit and it can be taken the wrong way. But TV has rules that we must all obey. In the football forum you get away with more than other forums(within reason) This is why you all come back day in and day out. Everyone here is a valuable contributor, without all the members in here it would be a very lonely place. So lets get back to the way it was lads. BTW i'm still hoping Liverpool can do it this season.

Bang on the money Boss..

[mrtoad]

perhaps I didnt make myself clear

Im certianly not suggesting banter is not allowed in the football forum

it is the very reason Im personally on the football forum.

I made those remarks (and earlier PM to some) as Ive seen of late there has been more than the fun banter (or atleast thats how it has come across to me....). however, maybe you guys are still having your all fun and game exchange, but being non Brit, perhaps I missed it...and see the relentless comments as having a go at each other.

cheers

Mig, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most of it is banter, the problem is that there are a couple of sensitive souls that don't seem to understand that. In the end, the football forum needs very little mderating, cos most of the guuys in here will jump on anyone who is being a plonker.

Don't take offence at what I wrote earleier, as it can be easily misunderstood. Anyway; lets get on with talking about football, rather than moaning about other posters.

[LeungKen]

" Anyway; lets get on with talking about football, rather than moaning about other posters."

Yeah where's Redrus when you need him ?

Come back Red - This forum needs you............

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Edited April 11, 2009 by LeungKen

[mrtoad]

" Anyway; lets get on with talking about football, rather than moaning about other posters."

Yeah where's Redrus when you need him ?

Come back Red - This forum needs you............

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Yeah, were is the old bugger?

Well, back onto football, it's a big game this weekend. Awat to Sunderland, they will be desperate for points, so it will be interesting to see how they set out their stall. I'm guessing they will not try and hold on for a draw, as really they need to get three points. As for United, we need to get back firing on all cylinders, as I can see Chelsea sneaing up past on the outside and winning this if United don't get their act together quickly. United are not in disaray but they are not playing well, so hopefully a big win today will set us up nicely for that must win game in Porto. 3-0 to United today.

[samuibeachcomber]

yes good luck to united this week in the CL,would hate to see them go out.