Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Unfazed By Bail Review

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Kokaew unfazed by bail review

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong yesterday shrugged off an attempt to cancel his bail on grounds of being allegedly involved in inciting the red shirts to oppose the judicial ruling on charter change.

"I am not worrying about the bail review because I am prepared to justify my activities," he said.

Kokaew said he expected a favourable review on his bail as he had not tried to sway the red shirts to act in contempt of the Constitution Court as alleged by Democrat MP Nipit Intarasombat.

"If I wanted to confront the judiciary, then I should not have convinced the red shirts to cancel a plan to rally at the high court," he said.

Citing Kokaew's remarks against judicial intervention on the charter amendment bill as evidence, Nipit filed a complaint seeking to revoke his bail pending trial for terrorism and related charges in connection with the political strife in 2010.

Reacting to the Democrat Party's demand that the government rein in its red allies, Kokaew said the red shirts were free people and not under the control of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

Democrat legal adviser Ramet Rattanachaweng called on the government to initiate legal proceedings against the red shirts involved in disturbing the Democrat rally in Chon Buri.

The government should take action when its people are tampering with the law, Ramet said.

He also urged the Nitirat academic group to stop demanding the dismantling of the Constitution Court.

Nitirat leader Worachet Pakeerut should return to study in Germany again as the model for the high court originated in that country where he received his graduate degree in law, he said.

Should Worachet decide to become the spokesman for Pheu Thai Party, he should quit the academia and embark on a political career, he said.

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the Democrats' demand that the government sever its ties with the red shirts was unreasonable.

The Democrats have trouble with the red shirts while the government has friendly ties with all the political colours, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-07-16

[tlansford]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

[Siripon]

What Kokaeow said last week was outrageous, even for the low standards of the red shirts. He must be feeling very foolish after the Constitution Court read its verdict.

Please put him back in prison where he belongs.

[Crushdepth]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

He could have tried "they died because their bodies were weak from fasting", which is what Thaksin said after the Tak Bai massacre, in a televised doorstop interview. Does that one bother you as well, or is use of violence ok when its your political team dishing it out?

[tlansford]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

He could have tried "they died because their bodies were weak from fasting", which is what Thaksin said after the Tak Bai massacre, in a televised doorstop interview. Does that one bother you as well, or is use of violence ok when its your political team dishing it out?

He could have said something equally insensitive, but that would not have helped, eh? Nice try to toss this back onto Thaksin. But Abhisit is responsible for his own actions and his own statements. BTW, I believe his DPM did say something equally crass - along the lines of running into bullets...

Abhisit's remarks after the unfortunate deaths of 2 protesters in 2008 were not only hard on the government, but also carried a certain noble righteousness - something that one could have though would have guided his own actions in 2009 and 2010. But actions speak louder than words.

[Buchholz]

"If I wanted to confront the judiciary, then I should not have convinced the red shirts to cancel a plan to rally at the high court," he said.

he didn't convince them, Thaksin did

Kokaew said the red shirts were free people and not under the control of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

they aren't, they, like her, are under the control of her brother

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Edited July 16, 2012 by Buchholz

[Siripon]

I must buy some new glasses, I thought this thread was about Kokaeow and a review of his bail regarding his remarks about the Constitution Court.

[Moruya]

Lock him up.

Throw away the key.

End of.

[Reasonableman]

I must buy some new glasses, I thought this thread was about Kokaeow and a review of his bail regarding his remarks about the Constitution Court.

The usual diversionary smokescreen.

[Reasonableman]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

Red herring for breakfast. Yummy!

[Skywalker69]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

This thread is about Kokaew, not about Abhisit.

[Skywalker69]

"I am not worrying about the bail review because I am prepared to justify my activities," he said.

He should be. How can one justify to start a civil war? Put the monkey were the monkey belongs, in the "monkey house"

[Moruya]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

Red herring for breakfast. Yummy!

I had kippers, toast and tea the other day.

[inquisitive]

The headline is misleading, of course. How could the reporter possibly know what was in K's heart or mind? All the reporter can know is that K stated he was unfazed. Dollars to donuts, Mr. K realizes that he is in some jeapordy here and unless you are in the group that believes he really is a complete idiot, then you have to realize is lying. Bravado is his friend, and so statements such as Mr. K made to the press are to be expected. You can bet he is even more interested than you are to see how this turns out.

[tlansford]

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

This is one of those points which is really hard for Abhisit to escape from.

He has the ability to say the right things even if he doesn't always do the right things. Yet he has never been able (AFAIK) to say the right thing regarding 2010 as he so clearly did about 2008.

He said Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva should apologise for the 2010 bloodshed in order to appease the red shirts.

Even if Abhisit never did the right thing after screwing up the 2010 protest control, he could have at least said the right things... Talking is his strong point.

Red herring for breakfast. Yummy!

Quoting the OP is a red herring...

The red-herring which you apparently caught by trolling

[phiphidon]

I'll try again

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

To put this into context what abhisit said was a lot more than that

‘For all that has happened, the PM cannot deny his responsibility, either by negligence or intention.

‘What is even worse than laying the blame on the authorities is vilifying the people.

‘I have never thought that we would have a state which has the people killed and seriously injured, and then accuses the people of the crimes. This is unacceptable.

‘I have heard those in the government always asking people whether they are Thai or not. Considering what you are doing now, it is not the question of being Thai or not, but whether you are human at all.

‘Today, [the government] has lost legitimacy. We are demanding that the PM take responsibility. [The PM] can resign, or if he is afraid that by his resignation, the Democrat Party will take power, he can dissolve the House. He cannot just do nothing, because if he does nothing, it would be tantamount to damaging the country and the political system.

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/1760

Abhisit seems to have lost this virtuous outlook on life just two years later as Kokaew quite rightly pointed out..........

[tragickingdom]

Abhisit and his Neo Nazi yellow shirt allies are the perfect example of what is wrong with Thailand. The elite feels they can kill, cheat and defraud and others who do not belong to the group should make a deep bow for them in order to show respect. The ghost is out of the bottle and if Abhisit and friends believe that the PM is controlling the red shirts he must come from another planet. The reds would also rebel against this government if there principles would be trampled on.

[phiphidon]

I had kippers, toast and tea the other day.

Now this post is off topic if anybody needs a guide.......

[saltandpepper]

Abhisit and his Neo Nazi yellow shirt allies are the perfect example of what is wrong with Thailand. The elite feels they can kill, cheat and defraud and others who do not belong to the group should make a deep bow for them in order to show respect. The ghost is out of the bottle and if Abhisit and friends believe that the PM is controlling the red shirts he must come from another planet. The reds would also rebel against this government if there principles would be trampled on.

And of course, red shirts and associates are a model of virtue, respect of law and democracy....

Amazing the things we can read here.

[SuneeTH]

Abhisit and his Neo Nazi yellow shirt allies are the perfect example of what is wrong with Thailand. The elite feels they can kill, cheat and defraud and others who do not belong to the group should make a deep bow for them in order to show respect. The ghost is out of the bottle and if Abhisit and friends believe that the PM is controlling the red shirts he must come from another planet. The reds would also rebel against this government if there principles would be trampled on.

And of course, red shirts and associates are a model of virtue, respect of law and democracy....

Amazing the things we can read here.

Since when Neo Nazi has the greatest respect for their father?

[Reasonableman]

<snip>

The red-herring which you apparently caught by trolling

OP = "Kokaew unfazed by bail review"

No, the irrelevant but habitual Abhisit red herring, conveniently ignoring the main thrust of the OP, just jumped into the boat uninvited. Seems to happen quite often with some posters.

[SuneeTH]

"I am not worrying about the bail review because I am prepared to justify my activities," he said.

He should be. How can one justify to start a civil war? Put the monkey were the monkey belongs, in the "monkey house"

Civil war is not all bad.

In the USA, the civil war helps to free BLACK slaves.

[Moruya]

I'll try again

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

To put this into context what abhisit said was a lot more than that

‘For all that has happened, the PM cannot deny his responsibility, either by negligence or intention.

‘What is even worse than laying the blame on the authorities is vilifying the people.

‘I have never thought that we would have a state which has the people killed and seriously injured, and then accuses the people of the crimes. This is unacceptable.

‘I have heard those in the government always asking people whether they are Thai or not. Considering what you are doing now, it is not the question of being Thai or not, but whether you are human at all.

‘Today, [the government] has lost legitimacy. We are demanding that the PM take responsibility. [The PM] can resign, or if he is afraid that by his resignation, the Democrat Party will take power, he can dissolve the House. He cannot just do nothing, because if he does nothing, it would be tantamount to damaging the country and the political system.

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/1760

Abhisit seems to have lost this virtuous outlook on life just two years later as Kokaew quite rightly pointed out..........

Unarmed protesters having cannisters of military grade tear gas shot directly at them killing them and taking limbs off.

Armed protesters, who knew that the army had been authorised to shoot live rounds in self defence.

2 very different scenarios.

[Moruya]

I had kippers, toast and tea the other day.

Now this post is off topic if anybody needs a guide.......

If anyone needs a guide, please PM PPD. I'm sure he has a few secreted about his person. Might even get one of his white sticks thrown in.

[tlansford]

<snip>

The red-herring which you apparently caught by trolling

OP = "Kokaew unfazed by bail review"

No, the irrelevant but habitual Abhisit red herring, conveniently ignoring the main thrust of the OP, just jumped into the boat uninvited. Seems to happen quite often with some posters.

right-o - delete the part of the post stating that I was "quoting the OP".

In fact, I was quoting Kokaew from the article itself.

Perhaps you just don't like the point being presented by Kokeaw?

Please participate or else feel free to take the "main thrust" as you put it and troll on someone else's posts.

[tlansford]

I'll try again

When two people died due to the crowd-control operations during the Somchai Wongsawat government, Abhisit said that was unacceptable, he said, arguing Abhisit could not deny responsibility in the face of almost a hundred people killed under his watch.

To put this into context what abhisit said was a lot more than that

‘For all that has happened, the PM cannot deny his responsibility, either by negligence or intention.

‘What is even worse than laying the blame on the authorities is vilifying the people.

‘I have never thought that we would have a state which has the people killed and seriously injured, and then accuses the people of the crimes. This is unacceptable.

‘I have heard those in the government always asking people whether they are Thai or not. Considering what you are doing now, it is not the question of being Thai or not, but whether you are human at all.

‘Today, [the government] has lost legitimacy. We are demanding that the PM take responsibility. [The PM] can resign, or if he is afraid that by his resignation, the Democrat Party will take power, he can dissolve the House. He cannot just do nothing, because if he does nothing, it would be tantamount to damaging the country and the political system.

http://www.prachatai...glish/node/1760

Abhisit seems to have lost this virtuous outlook on life just two years later as Kokaew quite rightly pointed out..........

Unarmed protesters having cannisters of military grade tear gas shot directly at them killing them and taking limbs off.

Armed protesters, who knew that the army had been authorised to shoot live rounds in self defence.

2 very different scenarios.

very different indeed.

The former was actually accidental. The latter was, well, how to put this correctly? ... not accidental, and documented also that it was not in self-defense.

The former : It was a horrible mistake, but one cannot say that it was intentional. The evidence is clear that the police thought they were using their usual version of tear-gas, but of course they were not. BTW, the lady killed and the gentleman killed were unlikely to have been killed by the security forces. There is, however, no doubt about people losing limbs due to the tear-gas canisters.

BTW, the PAD protesters were not unarmed, either.

2 very different scenarios. But Abhisit was able to comment on the former and has yet to utter such noble phrases regarding the latter.

[h90]

He could have said something equally insensitive, but that would not have helped, eh? Nice try to toss this back onto Thaksin. But Abhisit is responsible for his own actions and his own statements. BTW, I believe his DPM did say something equally crass - along the lines of running into bullets...

Abhisit's remarks after the unfortunate deaths of 2 protesters in 2008 were not only hard on the government, but also carried a certain noble righteousness - something that one could have though would have guided his own actions in 2009 and 2010. But actions speak louder than words.

Toss this back onto Thaksin???

Thaksin was the person who ordered and financed these red/black terrorists.

And to be honest, if someone is burning my house down I would shoot him.

[maidu]

Abhisit and his Neo Nazi yellow shirt allies are the perfect example of what is wrong with Thailand. The elite feels they can kill, cheat and defraud and others who do not belong to the group should make a deep bow for them in order to show respect. The ghost is out of the bottle and if Abhisit and friends believe that the PM is controlling the red shirts he must come from another planet. The reds would also rebel against this government if there principles would be trampled on.

You sound like you have a very blunt ax to grind. The PM, her brother, their myopic supporters (Chalerm, the FM, etc.) and the Red Shirts are all cut from the same cloth. They know that stirring up trouble in Thailand, can often get desired results - political and monetary rewards. That fits with what what Chuwit does (tho he's not a Red), and now with Kokeaw, who is a Red Shirt.

Trying to drag Abhisit through the mud would be funny, were it not done in such a vindictive spirit. Abhisit did all he could to avoid confrontation. Many (myself included) would say Abhisit was restrained to a fault during Spring 2010.

[tlansford]

He could have said something equally insensitive, but that would not have helped, eh? Nice try to toss this back onto Thaksin. But Abhisit is responsible for his own actions and his own statements. BTW, I believe his DPM did say something equally crass - along the lines of running into bullets...

Abhisit's remarks after the unfortunate deaths of 2 protesters in 2008 were not only hard on the government, but also carried a certain noble righteousness - something that one could have though would have guided his own actions in 2009 and 2010. But actions speak louder than words.

Toss this back onto Thaksin???

Thaksin was the person who ordered and financed these red/black terrorists.

And to be honest, if someone is burning my house down I would shoot him.

Of course, how could I forget, it was Thaksin who ordered lethal force be used on the demonstrators ...

Like I said, Abhisit is responsible for his own actions. You do not need to make excuses for him.

[saltandpepper]

He could have said something equally insensitive, but that would not have helped, eh? Nice try to toss this back onto Thaksin. But Abhisit is responsible for his own actions and his own statements. BTW, I believe his DPM did say something equally crass - along the lines of running into bullets...

Abhisit's remarks after the unfortunate deaths of 2 protesters in 2008 were not only hard on the government, but also carried a certain noble righteousness - something that one could have though would have guided his own actions in 2009 and 2010. But actions speak louder than words.

Toss this back onto Thaksin???

Thaksin was the person who ordered and financed these red/black terrorists.

And to be honest, if someone is burning my house down I would shoot him.

Of course, how could I forget, it was Thaksin who ordered lethal force be used on the demonstrators ...

Like I said, Abhisit is responsible for his own actions. You do not need to make excuses for him.

You are right. Thaksin ordered lethal force to be used. The minute he sent his goons to occupy Bangkok and to provoke confrontation, he ordered lethal force to be used. Not by own standards of course, he did not sign any paper. But he meant to do it, he wished things to turn the way they did....