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So Abhisit may have avoided the draft but the PTP leader avoided paying billions in taxes which would have benefitted his poor supporters. He is also avoiding a prison sentence and a load of other charges.

Who has committed the worst offences? Reds and gov. supporters please reply.please reply.

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What's worse? Avoiding conscription as a teenager or avoiding parliament as a Prime Minister?

Well he is head of a political party that has avoided parliament (well at least being PM of it ) for 20 years. The army looked after him in the end though.

Wonder if this is going to be another of his "extracting the truth out of him is like getting blood from a stone" episodes.

Such as his last "truthful" declaration when he discovered/revealed he was of dual nationality after all?

The point is that Abhisit and the Dems have been an effective opposition. That is needed in a parliamentary democracy. And he has actually been in the parliament more the Yingluck. Now that amazing Thailand 2012.

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Me : Abhisit is in big sh_t biggrin.png

My wife (fervent democrat supporter, member of FB's Korn fan club) : Everybody do it, it's politically motivated angry.png

Me : But Abhisit stands for honesty and against corruption, and here he has been caught red handed lying and maybe even bribing a government official

My wife : ... (angry silence)

Me : Ok, I understand, I prepare my bed in the dog house hit-the-fan.gif

You over look the fact that the matter has been resolved years ago and is coming up again to try and keep your buddy Jatuporn out of jail. The man is scum with no defense so he throws out red herrings all over the place and there are a lot of sea gulls just waiting to eat them up.wai.gif

If they thought they had any thing it would not be kept under wraps. They would be running headlines in all the Thai and English speaking papers. drop your dislike for the democrats and try to take a honest reasonable judgement on just this one case.

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The fact that Abhisit is suing Jatuporn for defamation (again) should indicate that he has some grounds.

it seems that the sons do get conscripted, but miraculously become junior officers. Chalerm's murderous sprout was a lieutenant when he decided to take extended leave in Cambodia while dad sorted the witnesses. In oz, this was frowned upon for our conscripts, but in miracle Thailand, it actually lead to a promotion (possibly due to time in service? ).

Why is it when you're talking about abhisit you're always bringing up Calerm or Jaturporn? Just because they did it doesn't mean abhisit can as well

Does this sound like a familiar refrain, it should.................

I didn't know that Calerm or Jaturporn did it. That explains why they are trying to keep it under wraps.

I think they should bring it out and disclose all those in Government who evaded conscription and get rid of the lot.

How much time did Yingluck serve.

Or is it not a real big thing to have served time in the military to be involved in politics ruling the country?

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Mr. Abhisit's avoidance of the conscription may not go down well with those that did their service.

Oh well, he did have to sacrifice for his country when he did all public service activities. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any evidence of his public service. Must be a mass conspiracy to hide it. wink.png

Can you find any evidence of ANY serving thai politicians who have served army conscription.

I can't.

Conscription is the reserve of the poor. The middle class up do not even enter the Army conscript lottery because they do reserve training which in Thailand is high school army cadets.

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Just to play the devils advocate here but did Abhist go to high school here or in Briton?

I really don't know what conscription is like here but when I was growing up every male was on the draft list and was called up unless they had already volunteered. Or were serving in the National guard or ROTC in collage. The majority of the people were called up.

I thought the conscription list was just a list that some were picked from and most ignored.

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So Abhisit may have avoided the draft but the PTP leader avoided paying billions in taxes which would have benefitted his poor supporters. He is also avoiding a prison sentence and a load of other charges.

Who has committed the worst offences? Reds and gov. supporters please reply.please reply.

I am thinking Thaksin has seen the err of his ways and is becoming patriotic by not coming back to Thailand and being a burden on there all ready over loaded penal system.

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Mr. Abhisit's avoidance of the conscription may not go down well with those that did their service.

Oh well, he did have to sacrifice for his country when he did all public service activities. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any evidence of his public service. Must be a mass conspiracy to hide it. wink.png

Can you find any evidence of ANY serving thai politicians who have served army conscription.

I can't.

Conscription is the reserve of the poor. The middle class up do not even enter the Army conscript lottery because they do reserve training which in Thailand is high school army cadets.

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Just to play the devils advocate here but did Abhist go to high school here or in Briton?

I really don't know what conscription is like here but when I was growing up every male was on the draft list and was called up unless they had already volunteered. Or were serving in the National guard or ROTC in collage. The majority of the people were called up.

I thought the conscription list was just a list that some were picked from and most ignored.

He was schooled in the UK. I think how the system works here is. The applicant goes to the conscription office on a certain date with others a similar age then they all choose a slip like a lottery. This slip is either a conscript notice or not. If yes they are in the army if no they are not.

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Isn't this a matter of public record? He happily declares his private assets and wealth for public scrutiny, but matters of public service are private?blink.png

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The fact that Abhisit is suing Jatuporn for defamation (again) should indicate that he has some grounds.

It indicates that Abhisit likes suing others for defamation. He is not alone, filling such lawsuits is the favorite sport of many Thai politicians.

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http://www.mongabay.com/history/thailand/thailand-manpower_sources_and_quality.html

A fairly good description of the selection process in that.

As it states, there is already an abundance of young, fit and willing (maybe not willing) young men in the more rural areas of Thailand to fill as many boots as they need, much more than enough.

I doubt that any son of a monied family has ever had to participate in the lottery of a selection process to become an ordinary grunt.

Sons of the wealthy can of course sign up as Junior Officers, but that is voluntary and I expect only done by those with a penchant for guns.

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The Defence Ministry has decided not to publicly disclose evidence related to the conscription records of Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva for fear the issue might get politicised.

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Meanwhile, Sukampol said as far as he knew, a conscription officer had been discharged for being involved in allegedly falsifying Abhisit's military records so he could be appointed as lecturer at the Royal Chulachomklao Military Academy. This job allowed Abhisit to serve out his mandatory military service in lieu of being drafted almost three decades ago.

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Once tensions started rising in relation to the reconciliation and charter change bills, Pheu Thai Party's legal team decided to file a complaint in May requesting a new round of investigation. The Office of the Ombudsman is in the process of collecting evidence in relation to this case.

I'm not saying anything, not even softly, but somehow this looks like slinging mud till some sticks somehow. It's like complaining that k. Abhisit was on holiday during the hightide of flooding with no-one even asking him for advice, or he even being allowed to interfere and the MoFA delivering a shiny, brandnew passport to a fugitive criminal.

Well as all evidence has been submitted to the Office of the Ombudsman we should have more info on this soonish.

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Khun Abhisit should explain to public why, in the absence of Sor Dor 9, he managed to become a Prime Minister. Under Thai Law every man must either have Sor Dor 9 or served as a soldier. How come he does not possess this important document - this does not give him the right to become a Prime Minister. I think he lives up to his name (Abhisit) which means "above the law".

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Thaicbr: Conscription is the reserve of the poor. The middle class up do not even enter the Army conscript lottery because they do reserve training which in Thailand is high school army cadets.

Can you please expand this? Are you saying that expensive private schools provide a way to avoid subscription?

Any and all M4 to M6 high school students are Army cadets (army reserve training) This applies to government and private schools .

The poor kids generally do not go above M3. Therefore they have to do the conscript lottery.

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That's true, but many of my m4-m6 students opt out from military training - some were too light, too heavy, the fem-boys, lazy ones, etc. I imagine they buy their name out of the lottery if it comes to that. I'd imagine Abhisit's family paid his way out it it, as I'm assuming he did his formative years in the UK. He was just 'lucky' his name wasn't drawn out.

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So Abhisit may have avoided the draft but the PTP leader avoided paying billions in taxes which would have benefitted his poor supporters. He is also avoiding a prison sentence and a load of other charges.

Who has committed the worst offences? Reds and gov. supporters please reply.please reply.

tired boring old argument, one does not mean the other is acceptable.

We could ask which is worse, sending in the army to slaughter unarmed civilians or some pilfering from the public purse.

the fact is people are constantly saying abhisit is honest but now his deceit is coming out again, first it was his dual nationality and now this. next evidence will appear that he did give the orders in 2010.

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Khun Abhisit should explain to public why, in the absence of Sor Dor 9, he managed to become a Prime Minister. Under Thai Law every man must either have Sor Dor 9 or served as a soldier. How come he does not possess this important document - this does not give him the right to become a Prime Minister. I think he lives up to his name (Abhisit) which means "above the law".

Expect a sudden increase in the KSR Sor Dor 9 production department.

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Mr. Abhisit's avoidance of the conscription may not go down well with those that did their service.

Oh well, he did have to sacrifice for his country when he did all public service activities. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any evidence of his public service. Must be a mass conspiracy to hide it. wink.png

Can you find any evidence of ANY serving thai politicians who have served army conscription.

I can't.

Conscription is the reserve of the poor. The middle class up do not even enter the Army conscript lottery because they do reserve training which in Thailand is high school army cadets.

sent from my Wellcom A90+

Just to play the devils advocate here but did Abhist go to high school here or in Briton?

I really don't know what conscription is like here but when I was growing up every male was on the draft list and was called up unless they had already volunteered. Or were serving in the National guard or ROTC in collage. The majority of the people were called up.

I thought the conscription list was just a list that some were picked from and most ignored.

he went to Eton in the UK with our own esteemed PM Cameron ( I say esteemed with tongue firmly in cheek, try it, its funny haha)

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So Abhisit may have avoided the draft but the PTP leader avoided paying billions in taxes which would have benefitted his poor supporters. He is also avoiding a prison sentence and a load of other charges.

Who has committed the worst offences? Reds and gov. supporters please reply.please reply.

tired boring old argument, one does not mean the other is acceptable.

We could ask which is worse, sending in the army to slaughter unarmed civilians or some pilfering from the public purse.

the fact is people are constantly saying abhisit is honest but now his deceit is coming out again, first it was his dual nationality and now this. next evidence will appear that he did give the orders in 2010.

I have seen NO evidence of this accusation or on the other non event of UK citizenship. Just accusations and rethoric.

Maybe you should ask how many of the over 2500 thai citizens that were slaughtered by the police in Thaksins 6 month war on drugs were actually involved in drugs.

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he went to Eton in the UK with our own esteemed PM Cameron ( I say esteemed with tongue firmly in cheek, try it, its funny haha)

And the point of that is?

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he went to Eton in the UK with our own esteemed PM Cameron ( I say esteemed with tongue firmly in cheek, try it, its funny haha)

And the point of that is?

read the post you deleted that I was responding to and all will become clear

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So Abhisit may have avoided the draft but the PTP leader avoided paying billions in taxes which would have benefitted his poor supporters. He is also avoiding a prison sentence and a load of other charges.

Who has committed the worst offences? Reds and gov. supporters please reply.please reply.

tired boring old argument, one does not mean the other is acceptable.

We could ask which is worse, sending in the army to slaughter unarmed civilians or some pilfering from the public purse.

the fact is people are constantly saying abhisit is honest but now his deceit is coming out again, first it was his dual nationality and now this. next evidence will appear that he did give the orders in 2010.

I have seen NO evidence of this accusation or on the other non event of UK citizenship. Just accusations and rethoric.

Maybe you should ask how many of the over 2500 thai citizens that were slaughtered by the police in Thaksins 6 month war on drugs were actually involved in drugs.

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I thought he admitted in parliament that he held two passports.

And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

Oh look a simple search while i was posting showed up, i just chose the first link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/24/abhisit-vejajjiva-thai-pr_n_827557.html

abhisit admits in parliament to dual nationality whistling.gif

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And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

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So, any info on alleged irregularities regarding k. Abhisit's military service or lack thereof ? Maybe wait for the Ombudsman?

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I thought he admitted in parliament that he held two passports.

And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

Oh look a simple search while i was posting showed up, i just chose the first link

http://www.huffingto...r_n_827557.html

abhisit admits in parliament to dual nationality whistling.gif

He holds dual nationality by birth. Blame his parents for that.

He doesn't hold dual passports.

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And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

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So, any info on alleged irregularities regarding k. Abhisit's military service or lack thereof ? Maybe wait for the Ombudsman?

Only the evidence of the military that says he did not have the correct paperwork to miss military service, a pretty strong argument because if anyone has this paperwork it should be the army.

Why wait for the Ombudsman, they ruled recently on Yinglucks meeting at the four seasons but that has gone ignored by the forum yellows, so we can also say if abhisit is found by the ombudsman to have legally skipped military service then the ombudsman is wrong then keep making petty jokes about it regarding sex issues etc etc etc.

Deal?

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I thought he admitted in parliament that he held two passports.

And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

Oh look a simple search while i was posting showed up, i just chose the first link

http://www.huffingto...r_n_827557.html

abhisit admits in parliament to dual nationality whistling.gif

He holds dual nationality by birth. Blame his parents for that.

He doesn't hold dual passports.

Well either way the poster I responded to said 'citizenship' and he admitted in parliament that he had dual citizenship so a simple mistake on my part has not changed the proof that he requested.

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he went to Eton in the UK with our own esteemed PM Cameron ( I say esteemed with tongue firmly in cheek, try it, its funny haha)

And the point of that is?

read the post you deleted that I was responding to and all will become clear

Ok, read it again, twice, still not clear what your point was, care to explain?

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Only the evidence of the military that says he did not have the correct paperwork to miss military service, a pretty strong argument because if anyone has this paperwork it should be the army.

Why wait for the Ombudsman, they ruled recently on Yinglucks meeting at the four seasons but that has gone ignored by the forum yellows, so we can also say if abhisit is found by the ombudsman to have legally skipped military service then the ombudsman is wrong then keep making petty jokes about it regarding sex issues etc etc etc.

Deal?

The ombudsman cleared up the non-story of the sex issues. He didn't clear up the bigger issue of conflict of interest.

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Only the evidence of the military that says he did not have the correct paperwork to miss military service, a pretty strong argument because if anyone has this paperwork it should be the army.

Why wait for the Ombudsman, they ruled recently on Yinglucks meeting at the four seasons but that has gone ignored by the forum yellows, so we can also say if abhisit is found by the ombudsman to have legally skipped military service then the ombudsman is wrong then keep making petty jokes about it regarding sex issues etc etc etc.

Deal?

The ombudsman cleared up the non-story of the sex issues. He didn't clear up the bigger issue of conflict of interest.

he found no wrong doing

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he went to Eton in the UK with our own esteemed PM Cameron ( I say esteemed with tongue firmly in cheek, try it, its funny haha)

And the point of that is?

read the post you deleted that I was responding to and all will become clear

Ok, read it again, twice, still not clear what your point was, care to explain?

Then go back and read it again, this will be my response until you get what is blatantly obvious.

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And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

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So, any info on alleged irregularities regarding k. Abhisit's military service or lack thereof ? Maybe wait for the Ombudsman?

Only the evidence of the military that says he did not have the correct paperwork to miss military service, a pretty strong argument because if anyone has this paperwork it should be the army.

Why wait for the Ombudsman, they ruled recently on Yinglucks meeting at the four seasons but that has gone ignored by the forum yellows, so we can also say if abhisit is found by the ombudsman to have legally skipped military service then the ombudsman is wrong then keep making petty jokes about it regarding sex issues etc etc etc.

Deal?

Under those assumptions and conditions no deal, old chap.

Read the OP (again) first with the Def. Min. deciding not to publicly disclose and the MoD Sukampol just mentioning as far as he knew a conscription officer had been discharged for being involved in allegedly falsifying Abhisit's military records so he could be appointed as lecturer at the Royal Chulachomklao Military Academy. Aparr from Pheu Thai meddling as well.

I can only say 'insufficient data', wait for the Ombudsman

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And now we are back to the pointless argument of 'well you man did this so its ok for my man to do this blah blah blah', it really is one of the most pathetic arguments used on this forum, it is up there with 'if you don't like it go home' and 'you are not in kansas anymore dorothy'.

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So, any info on alleged irregularities regarding k. Abhisit's military service or lack thereof ? Maybe wait for the Ombudsman?

Only the evidence of the military that says he did not have the correct paperwork to miss military service, a pretty strong argument because if anyone has this paperwork it should be the army.

Why wait for the Ombudsman, they ruled recently on Yinglucks meeting at the four seasons but that has gone ignored by the forum yellows, so we can also say if abhisit is found by the ombudsman to have legally skipped military service then the ombudsman is wrong then keep making petty jokes about it regarding sex issues etc etc etc.

Deal?

Under those assumptions and conditions no deal, old chap.

Read the OP (again) first with the Def. Min. deciding not to publicly disclose and the MoD Sukampol just mentioning as far as he knew a conscription officer had been discharged for being involved in allegedly falsifying Abhisit's military records so he could be appointed as lecturer at the Royal Chulachomklao Military Academy. Aparr from Pheu Thai meddling as well.

I can only say 'insufficient data', wait for the Ombudsman

And I refer you to me recent post regarding the ombudsman.

my guess however will be that this is all a re run of the citizenship issue where he denies and denies until it is proven. All he has to do in this matter is produce the relevant paperwork and it will all go just simply go away.

What is the Phua Thai meddling you refer to? Do you mean raising it as an issue? is that classed a meddling now?

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