Whey Protein - Beware Of Fithwey.Com!

[claudio21]

not the first time struggling with this company. They either send you something else from what you have ordered (in my case send 2 buckets of PINK strawberry flavored whey when ordered Vanilla), or they delay your order for no apparent reason or without any explanation. out of 6 orders in the last 7 months only ONE was on-time. Remember - they ask you for full pre-payment!

now I want to share with you the latest episode with them: ordered 5 days ago again, paid online with paypal, got an email that 'order is being packaged' the same day and ready for delivery. That was Thursday. No delivery Friday nor Saturday. On Monday, after several unanswered emails and SMS, they ask me to call their ‘delivery service'. I was then informed that they 'have a new driver' and he doesn't know the delivery area (I work in very Central Bangkok in one of the landmark buildings) and that was the reason why the delivery couldn't come on Friday/Saturday, but being told that now they know 'the place' and will come asap. Some hours later still no delivery, call again the 'delivery service' and was told that 'the driver had an accident' and delivery will take 1 or 2 days more.....

Folks - even they do send your orders eventually, you got to be very patient and keep pushing...

Edited July 23, 2012 by claudio21

[claudio21]

for the sake of good order and fairness.... i have finally received my order, after several emails back and forth. they really have to improve their customer relations, i.e. by being reachable and by being honest, not making up cheap excuses.

cheers

[giuxtanda]

fitwhey is overpriced shop, there are a lot of shop who are selling for better price.....

[claudio21]

hi giuxtanda

any recommendations from your side? i found fitwhey quite competive with an average of 2000THB for a 5.5lbs whey bucket. unfortunately they just messed up again an order of mine. ordered 6 days ago, until 2 days ago no delivery. was then told the delivery company couldn't find my address (same excuse as in my previous post) and today 'the delivery company last your products' and we will refund your money. result: no whey, no money and just a lot of troubles.

stay away!

[tropo]

That's not a bad price at 800 baht per kg, but what exactly is the product? What is the percentage of protein in the powder? Is it WPC or WPI.

I recommend natural WPC from Protein Club. No flavouring or additives, just the raw instantized WPC straight from the manufacturers in the USA. Add your own flavours or just use it straight as it is has a pleasant natural flavour. You reallly don't need all the extra crap they put in these formulas and the flavouring and sweetness is always adjusted for a single 30 gram serve, so if you want more you'll find it sickly sweet (I use 75g per serve), or you'll need to double the liquid volume.

I heard about the Protein Club on here in April. Great service every time with free delivery to anywhere in Thailand. It works out at the same price you've been paying for 1 - 3 kg, or 750 per kg if you order 4 or more... but using the natural product is so much better. I would never go back to flavoured brands.

Edited December 21, 2012 by tropo

[Tolley]

That's not a bad price at 800 baht per kg, but what exactly is the product? What is the percentage of protein in the powder? Is it WPC or WPI.

I recommend natural WPC from Protein Club. No flavouring or additives, just the raw instantized WPC straight from the manufacturers in the USA. Add your own flavours or just use it straight as it is has a pleasant natural flavour. You reallly don't need all the extra crap they put in these formulas and the flavouring and sweetness is always adjusted for a single 30 gram serve, so if you want more you'll find it sickly sweet (I use 75g per serve), or you'll need to double the liquid volume.

I heard about the Protein Club on here in April. Great service every time with free delivery to anywhere in Thailand. It works out at the same price you've been paying for 1 - 3 kg, or 750 per kg if you order 4 or more... but using the natural product is so much better. I would never go back to flavoured brands.

I am using a vegetable protein powder called vital protein. Unflavoured 22g of protein per 25g serve. Less than 1percent carb, no sugar, easy to digest, highly akaline. I can highly recommend it.

[robblok]

That's not a bad price at 800 baht per kg, but what exactly is the product? What is the percentage of protein in the powder? Is it WPC or WPI.

I recommend natural WPC from Protein Club. No flavouring or additives, just the raw instantized WPC straight from the manufacturers in the USA. Add your own flavours or just use it straight as it is has a pleasant natural flavour. You reallly don't need all the extra crap they put in these formulas and the flavouring and sweetness is always adjusted for a single 30 gram serve, so if you want more you'll find it sickly sweet (I use 75g per serve), or you'll need to double the liquid volume.

I heard about the Protein Club on here in April. Great service every time with free delivery to anywhere in Thailand. It works out at the same price you've been paying for 1 - 3 kg, or 750 per kg if you order 4 or more... but using the natural product is so much better. I would never go back to flavoured brands.

I use them too works great, fast delivery and such. They got soy protein too but i stick to WPC. Its easy to order just order and then send the money. Hasnt failed me yet is send by EMS. Just ordered 4kg today.

Edited December 22, 2012 by robblok

[jbrain]

Thanks for the Protein club tip, will use them in the near future.I used to order from Thaisupplements since they have good prices for the WPI, but it is neccessary to share with someone as 20Kg takes a long time to consume.

Here is a good informative link for soy vs whey protein

http://www.mytopform.com/whey-protein-vs-soy-protein

however I think that a 70/30 mix whey/soy would have it's benefits.

[Tolley]

Price should not be the only consideration thou when buying your protein powder.

Whey powder is better if if is sourced from cows who are eating non pesticide grasses and even better if you can get it from completely organic sources.

Even more important for whey protein is the following from this link :http://www.baumannutrition.com/forum/index.php?topic=8440.0

The vast majority of whey proteins available use high heat pasteurization. High heat does irreversible damage to the majority of the components of milk and may cause intolerance even in individuals who have no history of milk allergies.

Similarly non GMO soy is a much better option if you opt for soy.

I am using pea protein and again the source should be pesticide free peas.

Edited December 22, 2012 by Tolley

[robblok]

Price should never be the only consideration, i agree. Problem is checking that what they deliver is what they advertise.

Anyway the stuff that i use i like, price is just one of the things to think about. Delivery is an other, and i have never had problems with intolerance of any proteins.

[Tolley]

Price should never be the only consideration, i agree. Problem is checking that what they deliver is what they advertise.

Anyway the stuff that i use i like, price is just one of the things to think about. Delivery is an other, and i have never had problems with intolerance of any proteins.

The biggest factor for the the whey protein is the process they are using. If they are using the fast heat method they are killing all the good bits llke cysteine.

That is why pasteurised milk has caused so many problems for so many people.

[tropo]

Thanks for the Protein club tip, will use them in the near future.I used to order from Thaisupplements since they have good prices for the WPI, but it is neccessary to share with someone as 20Kg takes a long time to consume.

You were doing that too? I was ordering 20kg for years until I came across this Protein Club. It only takes me 5 - 6 months to get through 20kg, but it's great to be able to get the same price in smaller batches - and it's nicely packed too in zip lock foil bags.

[tropo]

Price should never be the only consideration, i agree. Problem is checking that what they deliver is what they advertise.

Anyway the stuff that i use i like, price is just one of the things to think about. Delivery is an other, and i have never had problems with intolerance of any proteins.

The biggest factor for the the whey protein is the process they are using. If they are using the fast heat method they are killing all the good bits llke cysteine.

That is why pasteurised milk has caused so many problems for so many people.

Protein Club are using Agrimark raw WPC. Check it out here and decide if the quality is good:

https://www.agrimark.net/

I don't think you'll find any branded whey protein companies telling you were they got the whey from - but here you have all the details you need.

In actual fact all the brands source the raw product from major whey protein manufacturers. They don't make it themselves.

[tropo]

Even more important for whey protein is the following from this link :http://www.baumannut...hp?topic=8440.0

The vast majority of whey proteins available use high heat pasteurization. High heat does irreversible damage to the majority of the components of milk and may cause intolerance even in individuals who have no history of milk allergies.

The Agri-mark stuff must be good then. I don't have any symptoms of milk allergies consuming 4kg per month - all year long. I think Robblok consumes quite a bit too.

[tropo]

Price should never be the only consideration, i agree. Problem is checking that what they deliver is what they advertise.

Anyway the stuff that i use i like, price is just one of the things to think about. Delivery is an other, and i have never had problems with intolerance of any proteins.

Also there isn't a big choice of readily available unflavoured WPC. It's not easy to source.

[Tolley]

Price should never be the only consideration, i agree. Problem is checking that what they deliver is what they advertise.

Anyway the stuff that i use i like, price is just one of the things to think about. Delivery is an other, and i have never had problems with intolerance of any proteins.

Also there isn't a big choice of readily available unflavoured WPC. It's not easy to source.

Whey Cool is the one recommended on the website as the best of the best. They also mention Vital Scoop.

Have you tried either of these?

[Tolley]

Even more important for whey protein is the following from this link :http://www.baumannut...hp?topic=8440.0

The vast majority of whey proteins available use high heat pasteurization. High heat does irreversible damage to the majority of the components of milk and may cause intolerance even in individuals who have no history of milk allergies.

The Agri-mark stuff must be good then. I don't have any symptoms of milk allergies consuming 4kg per month - all year long. I think Robblok consumes quite a bit too.

Checked the website and it is a concentrate so that is a good start. You really need to get the non denatured ones to derive the best benefits thou.

In the market, Whey Protein typically comes in three major forms: Concentrate, Isolate, and Hydrolysate. Be careful: Isolates and Hydrolysates are bi-products of cheese manufacturing, and usually use the lowest / cheapest quality cheese. Cheap cheese manufacturing requires extreme processing by using high heat pasteurization and several acidic baths.

Unfortunately, this process has the bad side effect of breaking down the most precious and nutritious components of Whey Protein and hence, RENDER THEM TOTALLY UNAVAILABLE TO THE BODY! Be Careful: Most Whey Protein supplements on the market are made from Isolate or Hydrolysate forms of Whey Protein and NOT from CONCENTRATE. In short, this means that IF a Whey Protein product is NOT made from a CONCENTRATE and it is NOT made in a NON-DENATURED form, then it is NOT a valuable source of protein or even worse, it can be DETRIMENTAL to the body.

On the other hand, a WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE that is made from RAW MILK and processed only at VERY LOW temperatures, WILL ALLOW all of the precious and nutritious components of the Whey to stay intact, and this means that WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE has extremely positive health effects on / for the body.

[jbrain]

Thanks for the Protein club tip, will use them in the near future.I used to order from Thaisupplements since they have good prices for the WPI, but it is neccessary to share with someone as 20Kg takes a long time to consume.

You were doing that too? I was ordering 20kg for years until I came across this Protein Club. It only takes me 5 - 6 months to get through 20kg, but it's great to be able to get the same price in smaller batches - and it's nicely packed too in zip lock foil bags.

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

[Tolley]

Thanks for the Protein club tip, will use them in the near future.I used to order from Thaisupplements since they have good prices for the WPI, but it is neccessary to share with someone as 20Kg takes a long time to consume.

You were doing that too? I was ordering 20kg for years until I came across this Protein Club. It only takes me 5 - 6 months to get through 20kg, but it's great to be able to get the same price in smaller batches - and it's nicely packed too in zip lock foil bags.

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

If you read what I posted the best you can get is WPC that is made from RAW MILK and processed only at VERY LOW temperatures, WILL ALLOW all of the precious and nutritious components of the Whey to stay intact, and this means that WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE has extremely positive health effects on / for the body.

The ones you guys are getting is the WPC which is a by product of cheese and not near as good quality but still better than WPI.

[robblok]

Thanks for the Protein club tip, will use them in the near future.I used to order from Thaisupplements since they have good prices for the WPI, but it is neccessary to share with someone as 20Kg takes a long time to consume.

You were doing that too? I was ordering 20kg for years until I came across this Protein Club. It only takes me 5 - 6 months to get through 20kg, but it's great to be able to get the same price in smaller batches - and it's nicely packed too in zip lock foil bags.

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

If you read what I posted the best you can get is WPC that is made from RAW MILK and processed only at VERY LOW temperatures, WILL ALLOW all of the precious and nutritious components of the Whey to stay intact, and this means that WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE has extremely positive health effects on / for the body.

The ones you guys are getting is the WPC which is a by product of cheese and not near as good quality but still better than WPI.

I just wonder how much difference it would make how many kg of muscle or should i think in grams per year would it yield extra. No comment on you Tolley, but often i wonder how much more things would add. I do know that testosterone adds a lot of muscle mass extra if you can increase it. With protein, i just take it but it is said that above 1 gram per pound of body-weight it won't do much more. So would that mean that you just need more WPC then WPC from raw milk.

I like to know the practical use of stuff and unfortunately that is almost never proven. Same like using fat burners, how much extra will they help, how much extra did my vitamins help ect ect ect.

[jbrain]

Thanks for the Protein club tip, will use them in the near future.I used to order from Thaisupplements since they have good prices for the WPI, but it is neccessary to share with someone as 20Kg takes a long time to consume.

You were doing that too? I was ordering 20kg for years until I came across this Protein Club. It only takes me 5 - 6 months to get through 20kg, but it's great to be able to get the same price in smaller batches - and it's nicely packed too in zip lock foil bags.

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

If you read what I posted the best you can get is WPC that is made from RAW MILK and processed only at VERY LOW temperatures, WILL ALLOW all of the precious and nutritious components of the Whey to stay intact, and this means that WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE has extremely positive health effects on / for the body.

The ones you guys are getting is the WPC which is a by product of cheese and not near as good quality but still better than WPI.

There is only one kind of whey in the world.

Whey or Milk Serum is the liquid remaining after milk has been curdled and strained

[jbrain]

I just wonder how much difference it would make how many kg of muscle or should i think in grams per year would it yield extra. No comment on you Tolley, but often i wonder how much more things would add. I do know that testosterone adds a lot of muscle mass extra if you can increase it. With protein, i just take it but it is said that above 1 gram per pound of body-weight it won't do much more. So would that mean that you just need more WPC then WPC from raw milk.

I like to know the practical use of stuff and unfortunately that is almost never proven. Same like using fat burners, how much extra will they help, how much extra did my vitamins help ect ect ect.

Your right, you can go infinite in this and don't know if it yields any better results or not. But my opinion is that when you use WPI you will consume less fat and other " unneeded" substances compared to consuming WPC.

Maybe you could compare it with Gsoline and Gasohol, both will give a similar performance but your motor will consume more of the latter for the same results.

[tropo]

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

Actually it was Glanbia in Canada. I used the WPC and the WPI over the years.

The WPC from Protein Club mixes very easily. A shaker for 5 - 10 seconds does the trick.

I don't know where you get the 25 grams per day limit from. I've never seen any research to support that. That would be a ridiculously low absorption equivalent to 4 eggs. Most meals provide a lot more protein than that. Some of my meals provide 100 grams of protein at least. A small 300 gram steak will provide 100 grams of protein.

I certainly wouldn't be using 75 grams if I believed that. The human body is just not that inefficient.

[tropo]

I just wonder how much difference it would make how many kg of muscle or should i think in grams per year would it yield extra. No comment on you Tolley, but often i wonder how much more things would add. I do know that testosterone adds a lot of muscle mass extra if you can increase it. With protein, i just take it but it is said that above 1 gram per pound of body-weight it won't do much more. So would that mean that you just need more WPC then WPC from raw milk.

I like to know the practical use of stuff and unfortunately that is almost never proven. Same like using fat burners, how much extra will they help, how much extra did my vitamins help ect ect ect.

Your right, you can go infinite in this and don't know if it yields any better results or not. But my opinion is that when you use WPI you will consume less fat and other " unneeded" substances compared to consuming WPC.

Maybe you could compare it with Gsoline and Gasohol, both will give a similar performance but your motor will consume more of the latter for the same results.

There's little research to prove which is better, but the amount of fat in a serve of WPC compared to WPI, and especially in the amounts you use, is insignificant. You're talking about maybe 1 or 2 grams of fat difference and a few grams of carbs.

I believe WPC is healthier from the research I've done. It also tastes better.

Edited December 22, 2012 by tropo

[jbrain]

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

Actually it was Glanbia in Canada. I used the WPC and the WPI over the years.

The WPC from Protein Club mixes very easily. A shaker for 5 - 10 seconds does the trick.

I don't know where you get the 25 grams per day limit from. I've never seen any research to support that. That would be a ridiculously low absorption equivalent to 4 eggs. Most meals provide a lot more protein than that. Some of my meals provide 100 grams of protein at least. A small 300 gram steak will provide 100 grams of protein.

I certainly wouldn't be using 75 grams if I believed that. The human body is just not that inefficient.

I didn't say 25 gram per day, I said 25 grams a time, or in other words per meal. And juddjing from your other post that you consume about 4 kg a month, that would meaan closer to 150 gram a day instead of 75 gram.

http://www.wannabebi...-a-single-meal/

Edited December 22, 2012 by jbrain

[tropo]

Even more important for whey protein is the following from this link :http://www.baumannut...hp?topic=8440.0

The vast majority of whey proteins available use high heat pasteurization. High heat does irreversible damage to the majority of the components of milk and may cause intolerance even in individuals who have no history of milk allergies.

The Agri-mark stuff must be good then. I don't have any symptoms of milk allergies consuming 4kg per month - all year long. I think Robblok consumes quite a bit too.

Checked the website and it is a concentrate so that is a good start. You really need to get the non denatured ones to derive the best benefits thou.

In the market, Whey Protein typically comes in three major forms: Concentrate, Isolate, and Hydrolysate. Be careful: Isolates and Hydrolysates are bi-products of cheese manufacturing, and usually use the lowest / cheapest quality cheese. Cheap cheese manufacturing requires extreme processing by using high heat pasteurization and several acidic baths.

Unfortunately, this process has the bad side effect of breaking down the most precious and nutritious components of Whey Protein and hence, RENDER THEM TOTALLY UNAVAILABLE TO THE BODY! Be Careful: Most Whey Protein supplements on the market are made from Isolate or Hydrolysate forms of Whey Protein and NOT from CONCENTRATE. In short, this means that IF a Whey Protein product is NOT made from a CONCENTRATE and it is NOT made in a NON-DENATURED form, then it is NOT a valuable source of protein or even worse, it can be DETRIMENTAL to the body.

On the other hand, a WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE that is made from RAW MILK and processed only at VERY LOW temperatures, WILL ALLOW all of the precious and nutritious components of the Whey to stay intact, and this means that WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE has extremely positive health effects on / for the body.

Your paragraph above was cut n' pasted from here: http://www.montereyb...-whey-cool.html

If you read down a bit you'll get to this part:

"The benefits of non-denatured Whey Protein Concentrate are nearly infinite, which makes Whey Cool™ from Designs for Health a Super Charged protein powder that is easy and convenient to use."

Although there may be a lot of good information in there, it's a bit biased and peppered with a lot of "I believes" and they're selling a product. I'd be interested in seeing more scientific information before I turf out my WPC.

Edited December 22, 2012 by tropo

[tropo]

Yes I bought from them for a few years, but only the WPI as it mixed very easy, just a few shakes and it was mixed. The brand they use is Provon from Glanbia Australia.If i had to use like 100- 150 grams a day, I guess I would have gasses all day, as I had them now already with only 50 grams a day.I also read somwhere previously that a body only can absorb about 25 grams at a time, the rest breaks down for the body has the time to absorb it.

My experience with WPC is that you almost need a blender to get it mixed properly, maybe you can tell me if this is also the case with the one from protein club.

Don't know where Tolley get his source that WPI is made from a different source as WPC.To my knowledge the only difference is that WPI is better filtered, but both are made from whey which is a by-product of cheese..

Actually it was Glanbia in Canada. I used the WPC and the WPI over the years.

The WPC from Protein Club mixes very easily. A shaker for 5 - 10 seconds does the trick.

I don't know where you get the 25 grams per day limit from. I've never seen any research to support that. That would be a ridiculously low absorption equivalent to 4 eggs. Most meals provide a lot more protein than that. Some of my meals provide 100 grams of protein at least. A small 300 gram steak will provide 100 grams of protein.

I certainly wouldn't be using 75 grams if I believed that. The human body is just not that inefficient.

I didn't say 25 gram per day, I said 25 grams a time, or in other words per meal. And juddjing from your other post that you consume about 4 kg a month, that would meaan closer to 150 gram a day instead of 75 gram.

http://www.wannabebi...-a-single-meal/

I'm well aware that you meant 25 grams per serve. This is a slight variation on the 30 grams a serve maximum I've seen touted else where from time to time.

I think this number was originally touted (used) by manufacturers of Sports protein formulas to make their expensive products seem like good value because it lasts quite a while at 30 grams scoops.

I use about 75 grams per serve twice per day. Each serve provides about 60 grams of protein. I weigh roughly 220 lbs at under 10% bodyfat, so I shoot for about 250 grams of protein per day. I find the WPC both convenient and easily absorbed (doesn't weigh me down).

The article you linked supports the position that there isn't a magical maximum protein dose:

"In sum, view all information – especially gym folklore and short-term research – with caution. Don’t buy into the myth that protein won’t get used efficiently unless it’s dosed sparingly throughout the day"It

Edited December 22, 2012 by tropo

[Tolley]

Even more important for whey protein is the following from this link :http://www.baumannut...hp?topic=8440.0

The vast majority of whey proteins available use high heat pasteurization. High heat does irreversible damage to the majority of the components of milk and may cause intolerance even in individuals who have no history of milk allergies.

The Agri-mark stuff must be good then. I don't have any symptoms of milk allergies consuming 4kg per month - all year long. I think Robblok consumes quite a bit too.

Checked the website and it is a concentrate so that is a good start. You really need to get the non denatured ones to derive the best benefits thou.

In the market, Whey Protein typically comes in three major forms: Concentrate, Isolate, and Hydrolysate. Be careful: Isolates and Hydrolysates are bi-products of cheese manufacturing, and usually use the lowest / cheapest quality cheese. Cheap cheese manufacturing requires extreme processing by using high heat pasteurization and several acidic baths.

Unfortunately, this process has the bad side effect of breaking down the most precious and nutritious components of Whey Protein and hence, RENDER THEM TOTALLY UNAVAILABLE TO THE BODY! Be Careful: Most Whey Protein supplements on the market are made from Isolate or Hydrolysate forms of Whey Protein and NOT from CONCENTRATE. In short, this means that IF a Whey Protein product is NOT made from a CONCENTRATE and it is NOT made in a NON-DENATURED form, then it is NOT a valuable source of protein or even worse, it can be DETRIMENTAL to the body.

On the other hand, a WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE that is made from RAW MILK and processed only at VERY LOW temperatures, WILL ALLOW all of the precious and nutritious components of the Whey to stay intact, and this means that WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE has extremely positive health effects on / for the body.

Your paragraph above was cut n' pasted from here: http://www.montereyb...-whey-cool.html

If you read down a bit you'll get to this part:

"The benefits of non-denatured Whey Protein Concentrate are nearly infinite, which makes Whey Cool™ from Designs for Health a Super Charged protein powder that is easy and convenient to use."

Although there may be a lot of good information in there, it's a bit biased and peppered with a lot of "I believes" and they're selling a product. I'd be interested in seeing more scientific information before I turf out my WPC.

It was cut and pasted from that page a little further down and it is an extract from the Whey Cool website so yes it is a bit biased but the other people recommending it in the thread are nutritional experts and non aligned to the sale of the product. There is also if you google a lot of other people recommending it as the best of the best.

I dont think there is any doubt that it is going to be better but it is probably a lot more expensive. If you do some googling of this product you will see that others reckon this is the best product on the market. One of the big benefits is to the immune system not just in the muscle building area.

Anyway I bring it to the attention of posters here and they can make up their own minds.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Tolley

[tropo]

It's always good to indicate if something you post is a quote from a website. It came across as a marketing blurb, that's why I Googled to find the origin of the statement.

There's probably a good chance it's better but that's not our concern. Our concern is whether the regular WPC that most of us are consuming is harmful to our health.

I think there is a lot of marketing "fluff" on that sales website, just as there is on most sales sites.

BTW, I thought Dr Mercola's "Miracle Whey was the gold standard.

[Tolley]

It's always good to indicate if something you post is a quote from a website. It came across as a marketing blurb, that's why I Googled to find the origin of the statement.

There's probably a good chance it's better but that's not our concern. Our concern is whether the regular WPC that most of us are consuming is harmful to our health.

I think there is a lot of marketing "fluff" on that sales website, just as there is on most sales sites.

BTW, I thought Dr Mercola's "Miracle Whey was the gold standard.

http://professionalwhey.com.au/product/aus-whey-protein-concentrate/

The Aus Whey Concentrate looks like the best one on the market in Oz. They arent using raw milk but they are using non denatured cheese and the price is reasonable. Lots of positive comments too.