iLL Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I know you can not work without a work permit, but what about hiring others to work for you? For example, lets say I want a personal assistant and I pay 10k bhat a month and they just do whatever... Or another situation, lets say... I have a personal assistant that I pay 10k bhat a month, but some of the duties also include accounting and web-based tasks.. (for my us business) Im sure hiring a personal driver isnt a problem, because thats the same as payin or a tuktuk to cater you around town during your stay. What if your assistant helps bring you a greater return? Curious on both situations... as I wouldnt consider this working.. but wanted to find out.. thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farang000999 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 dont know legally but it seems obvious to me that paying someone to get your groceries is not the same as paying them to work for your business. but it is not like you should ever expect to get caught if you are not doing bizness in thailand. if they just come to ur house and do work how will anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss1960 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Isn't it obvious? As soon as you pay somebody to "bring you greater return" or do accounting or web-based tasks for your (US) business, you are definitely working too and need a work permit for your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLL Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I stay in thailand and I do web based tasks here anyways... I have a us internet business so i can live anywhere as long as I have the internet... Given this situation, doesnt make me need a work visa.. I dont have to work, or i can... internet is everywhere. Hiring others to bring a greater return, sure.. understandable.. not allowed. But hiring others for personal tasks, (with no return) should be ok. (Just want to make my life more comfortable hehe) Edited July 24, 2012 by iLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeandDow Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I stay in thailand and I do web based tasks here anyways... I have a us internet business so i can live anywhere as long as I have the internet... Given this situation, doesnt make me need a work visa.. I dont have to work, or i can... internet is everywhere. Ok so hiring others to bring a greater return, sure.. understandable.. not allowed. But hiring others for personal tasks, (with no return) should be ok. (Just want to make my life more comfortable hehe) Web based tasks are classed as working you need a WP or you are breaking the law see discussion on the visa section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturn Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Isn't it obvious? As soon as you pay somebody to "bring you greater return" or do accounting or web-based tasks for your (US) business, you are definitely working too and need a work permit for your business. no, it is not obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brit1984 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 What if your assistant helps bring you a greater return? ... then you are working as an entrepreneur and need a work permit Sent from iPhone; please forgive any typos or violations of forum rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeBKK Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) working in thailand is defined as: work means exerting energy regardless you receive a financial of it or not. so you are here , you breathe.......... the rest is up to the discretion of law enforcement . Edited July 24, 2012 by JakeBKK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I stay in thailand and I do web based tasks here anyways... I have a us internet business so i can live anywhere as long as I have the internet... Given this situation, doesnt make me need a work visa.. I dont have to work, or i can... internet is everywhere. Hiring others to bring a greater return, sure.. understandable.. not allowed. But hiring others for personal tasks, (with no return) should be ok. (Just want to make my life more comfortable hehe) You're working here illegally anyway so it wouldn't make much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 working in thailand is defined as: work means exerting energy regardless you receive a financial of it or not. so you are here , you breathe.......... the rest is up to the discretion of law enforcement . So for someone lifting weights in a gym would technically need a work permit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Just marry a Thai girl. She will do your personal stuff for free. No work permit required. If your wife object, just keep her as a Mea Noi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Isn't it obvious? As soon as you pay somebody to "bring you greater return" or do accounting or web-based tasks for your (US) business, you are definitely working too and need a work permit for your business. Actually...I dont agree...consider this example: It is well know that legally you can be a 49% owner of Thai limited company and are not required to have a WP provided you are not actively working in the business in any capacity, ie signing papers, therefore in effect paying someone to run the business for you, so cant see how this differ's in some respects from hiring a personal assistant to do the same...if that person was effectively "running" your business for you... As to "iLL's" post....you actually are working illegally technically speaking, you do require a "work visa"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 working in thailand is defined as: work means exerting energy regardless you receive a financial of it or not. so you are here , you breathe.......... the rest is up to the discretion of law enforcement . So for someone lifting weights in a gym would technically need a work permit? If the Thai offical concerned decides you are working by lifting weights in a gym.....then yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkockney Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 working in thailand is defined as: work means exerting energy regardless you receive a financial of it or not. so you are here , you breathe.......... the rest is up to the discretion of law enforcement . So for someone lifting weights in a gym would technically need a work permit? If the Thai offical concerned decides you are working by lifting weights in a gym.....then yes... Not really, it would still have to go before a Judge and for the most part, the Thai judiciary is sensible. So in this hypothetical situation, it doesn't matter if a labour official / police officer tries to shake you down: the automatic response is, put me in front of a judge then. Watch how they quickly shrink away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 To avoid the type of questions that the OP has raised, my PA's (I currently have three) are paid in cash based on the as-needed classification of their assigned tasks. Everyone seems to be happy with this arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 working in thailand is defined as: work means exerting energy regardless you receive a financial of it or not. so you are here , you breathe.......... the rest is up to the discretion of law enforcement . So for someone lifting weights in a gym would technically need a work permit? If the Thai offical concerned decides you are working by lifting weights in a gym.....then yes... Not really, it would still have to go before a Judge Eventually..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeBKK Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 As i recall it, a while ago there where posts here about people getting arrested by the coppers. What did they do ? They are bar owners sitting in front of the bar and talking to their punters. They where charged with illegal working / promoting their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 As i recall it, a while ago there where posts here about people getting arrested by the coppers. What did they do ? They are bar owners sitting in front of the bar and talking to their punters. They where charged with illegal working / promoting their business. Yes, but there's never been a consistent trend of bar owners being nailed this way. Some others got 'caught' by going to the fridge and getting a beer for themselves or passing the HP sauce to a customer having breakfast. These are usually local shakedowns that are fleeting. My mate owns a bar and he makes sure that if he wants and beer, a cup of tea or a snack, the just asks the staff. Some visitors have thought that he is a right lazy sod but he's been here long enough to know that the Thai sitting twiddling his thumbs on the motorbike across the street like he's waiting for someone may be a plainclothes cop on their weekly slush fund top-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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