Reds, Mps Face Legal Action For 'Intimidation'

[phiphidon]

Nope. Without any citation or link, the un-sourced photo could have been taken in Surin in September 2008.

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http://www.dailynews...politics/137039

Happy Now?

No photos of them throwing rocks? Mustn't have happened then.

You got some? I haven't and nor has the paper that covered the story

[hellodolly]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I take it you weren't here when they publically called for the burning down of Bangkok. That is freedom of speech. What you are trying to say and haven't got the guts to is freedom to break the LM laws. You are looking for the right to defame a national hero.

[Buchholz]

Nope. Without any citation or link, the un-sourced photo could have been taken in Surin in September 2008.

http://www.dailynews...politics/137039

Happy Now?

Sure, but it's become quite normal to have to request information that should be included without having to make a point of asking for it. Especially to people with thousands of posts.

But on a positive note, at least this request for adhering to standard forum protocol and supplying information wasn't met with the typical stonewalling and obfuscation that's become common.

.

[hellodolly]

Reds, MPs face legal action for 'intimidation'

Chanikarn Poomhiran

The Nation on Sunday

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court has lodged another complaint against red-shirt leaders and Pheu Thai MPs for contempt of court and threatening the court judges, a source said yesterday.

Among those named in the complaint are Yoswarit Chooklom (aka Jeng Dokjik) and MPs Kokaew Pikultong and Prasit Chaisisa, said the source, who asked not to be named.

The court office earlier asked the Criminal Court to revoke the bail of red-shirt leaders and Pheu Thai MPs facing terrorism charges.

The secretary-general of the Constitution Court office, Chavana Traimas, ordered officers on Friday to file complaints against people who insulted the judges, including those who burnt mock coffins of judges in front of the court, the source said.

The acts were aimed at insulting the court and intimidating the judges, the source said, adding that the penalties would be harsher than for simple acts of defamation against "ordinary" people, the source said.

According to Article 198 of the penal code, the penalties would include one to seven years in jail and/or a fine of Bt2,000-Bt14,000.

The court office had collected evidence that Yoswarit and Prasit verbally attacked the judges and disseminated their phone numbers so that people could call and intimidate them, the source said, while Kokaew allegedly intimidated and forced officers (the court judges) to commit malfeasance.

Each of the court judges can also lodge separate complaints against the accused, along with the Constitution Court office's complaint, the source said.

-- The Nation 2012-07-29

"The acts were aimed at insulting the court and intimidating the judges, the source said, adding that the penalties would be harsher than for simple acts of defamation against "ordinary" people, the source said.

According to Article 198 of the penal code, the penalties would include one to seven years in jail and/or a fine of Bt2,000-Bt14,000."

Surely a misprint. Doesn't sound a very harsh penalty. Does it really say the maximum fine is bt14000?

What would you rather have, say 10, 15 years and / or 1 million baht for upsetting a judge? - they're not ordinary people you know, these guys are special, above everybody else. You may remember they have a "special" interpretation of "and / or", but I'm sure you've read about that.............

At least you are admitting they are wrong this time a big step forward for you. Now you are just being argumentative about the penalty.

[animatic]

Why does a complaint have to be filled? Isn't this a criminal act?

From what I've gathered over my time here, it seems that there are few "crimes" that the police can act on without a specific complaint from someone.

Even though individual policemen file charges for other policemen to acto on...

If we wanted logic we wouldn't live in Thailand...

[Reasonableman]

Selective photographs that do not cover the incident, provided by a biased party to the discussion, prove nothing, Do you believe the written account in the newspaper or not? No photos (so far). A photo indoors, where one assumes security was tight, is not a photo of cars leaving and being pelted with stones. Why do you argue this never happened? A political stance or an inquiring mind for fact? Not much truth-seeking happening here, afaics. Just more obfuscation. Situation normal.

[Noistar]

Cant see any planes in the picture, and i dont recognise it as Chiang Mai International Airport.

The photo that Phiphidon feels obliged to post again, doesn't refer to the atrocious behaviour which was meted out to Abhisit on his arrival 'at the airport'

Anyway, is Phiphidon and co trying to raise an off topic smokescreen (again)?

Um, weather looks nice in the picture

[hellodolly]

quote name='ianf' timestamp='1343539378' post='5527908']

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

[\quote][\quote]

unfortunately the last point about their wealth is easily excused. Their wealth is used to improve the lot of the poor. A 'Mr Donut' run is all that's needed to show they care.

Like most (All?) democracies, the apathetic majority (IMHO) allow excesses to happen.

The mandate that the ruling party have is defended because in order to vote for it, you must be aware of it's content. I concede the point.

However, there was no -which bits are you voting for? It is an all or nothing. No different to other Democracies in the world.

Would be nice to see the ruling party acknowledging that the Constitution is too important to be left to page x of their mandate, which realistically (IMHO) most of their supporters didn't even know was there.

I realise the army did things differently in 2007, and have set a precedent for heavy handed implementations, but things are different now - hey, we have a Democracy

"Ugly People doing Ugly things"

How the press saw the Red Shirts "intimidating and threatening" Abhisit on his recent trip to Chiang Mai

The post said nothing about pictures in the news papers. It was about what he saw with his own eyes.

In a way people are correct about lack of freedom of speech. If the news papers had shown honest pictures depicting the hate they would suffer the rath of the mindless horde of red shirts.

If my count was rite the bars had 13 less people in them and three police officers were detained to watch them and make sure the 13 did thing more than show there stupidity. It oooks like they did it in the hot sun.

Real genius bunch them they come home in disgrace from Bangkok in March of 2010 their trip paid for by tax payers money and they celebrate it by burning up a fire engine. Nice friends you have there.

[hellodolly]

Why does a complaint have to be filled? Isn't this a criminal act?

From what I've gathered over my time here, it seems that there are few "crimes" that the police can act on without a specific complaint from someone.

Even though individual policemen file charges for other policemen to acto on...

If we wanted logic we wouldn't live in Thailand...

Don't you mean western logic.

[Dap]

quote name='ianf' timestamp='1343539378' post='5527908']

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

[\quote][\quote]

unfortunately the last point about their wealth is easily excused. Their wealth is used to improve the lot of the poor. A 'Mr Donut' run is all that's needed to show they care.

Like most (All?) democracies, the apathetic majority (IMHO) allow excesses to happen.

The mandate that the ruling party have is defended because in order to vote for it, you must be aware of it's content. I concede the point.

However, there was no -which bits are you voting for? It is an all or nothing. No different to other Democracies in the world.

Would be nice to see the ruling party acknowledging that the Constitution is too important to be left to page x of their mandate, which realistically (IMHO) most of their supporters didn't even know was there.

I realise the army did things differently in 2007, and have set a precedent for heavy handed implementations, but things are different now - hey, we have a Democracy

"Ugly People doing Ugly things"

How the press saw the Red Shirts "intimidating and threatening" Abhisit on his recent trip to Chiang Mai

Your (once again) misleading information doesn't sway the reality one bit, but, that won't stop you. So for the sake of my personal amusement you may continue the rant.

[Dap]

Nope. Without any citation or link, the un-sourced photo could have been taken in Surin in September 2008.

.

http://www.dailynews...politics/137039

Happy Now?

No photos of them throwing rocks? Mustn't have happened then.

You got some? I haven't and nor has the paper that covered the story

Must not have happened then, huh?

[Moruya]

Must not have happened then, huh?

If PPD wanted to argue that there were no such things as rocks and that the earth was made of a bright red pumpkin inhabited by scarlet deities then he would do do.

[Reasonableman]

Gotta concur about the doodoo

[rubl]

Although the topic is "Reds, MPs face legal action for 'intimidation'", some seem to be on the "yes, but what about Abhisit" track. Well if some want to insists, thattrack was just the opposite with Abhisit being intimidated.

http://www.thaivisa....50#entry5508718

[khunken]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

[phiphidon]

"Ugly People doing Ugly things"

How the press saw the Red Shirts "intimidating and threatening" Abhisit on his recent trip to Chiang Mai

Your (once again) misleading information doesn't sway the reality one bit, but, that won't stop you. So for the sake of my personal amusement you may continue the rant.

If I knew who you were I might indulge you but as you seem to be a johnny come lately in the "diss the poster don't worry about the post" brigade don't take offense if I ignore you. Edited July 29, 2012 by phiphidon

[thaicbr]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

<deleted>. Its because the leaders are mouthy gobshites. Nothing more. Nothing less.

sent from my Wellcom A90+

[Moruya]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

I wonder what will happen when he has put everyone on "ignore"?

PPD and a bunch of adverts

[phiphidon]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

Look for posts with phiphidon at the top, you'll find something on the charter rewrite.

[khunken]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

Look for posts with phiphidon at the top, you'll find something on the charter rewrite.

I take it that's a negative then?

[phiphidon]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

Look for posts with phiphidon at the top, you'll find something on the charter rewrite.

I take it that's a negative then?

Take it any way you find comfortable.

[Skywalker69]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

[lungmi]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

I agree 100%.

In my village I have a very good friend. He was a red shirt fighter in Bangkok, but came back quickly when he saw the violence promoted by the leaders.

I never tried to "convert" by a political discussion but by Buddhist argumentation in the lineage of Tan Buddhadasa (dhammic socialism) and the Buddha's Teaching

to analyze first with an open mind "what is what" before you go to an action.

Now he is "converted" by himself.

In southern Lampang district I assisted to some Buddhist ceremonies over the last years - I saw old men and women. This time the whole population - no politics.

They take refuge to the Buddha .... open end, we will see what happens.

[Reasonableman]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

I wonder what will happen when he has put everyone on "ignore"?

PPD and a bunch of adverts

Google is your friend

[khunken]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

Look for posts with phiphidon at the top, you'll find something on the charter rewrite.

I take it that's a negative then?

Take it any way you find comfortable.

I'll file it away in my 'but Abhisit' diversion file

[Noistar]

I take it that's a negative then?

Take it any way you find comfortable.

I'll file it away in my 'but Abhisit' diversion file

[Noistar]

Although the topic is "Reds, MPs face legal action for 'intimidation'", some seem to be on the "yes, but what about Abhisit" track. Well if some want to insists, thattrack was just the opposite with Abhisit being intimidated.

http://www.thaivisa....50#entry5508718

Is it just me?

You sound surprised at the diversion tactic

[MAJIC]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I bet you said the same or thought it when they attempted to burn down Bangkok,among other Terrorist activities.

[473geo]

Your (once again) misleading information doesn't sway the reality one bit, but, that won't stop you. So for the sake of my personal amusement you may continue the rant.

Only one person on this thread amuses you......around 90% do it for me......

[ianf]

quote name='ianf' timestamp='1343539378' post='5527908']

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

[\quote][\quote]

unfortunately the last point about their wealth is easily excused. Their wealth is used to improve the lot of the poor. A 'Mr Donut' run is all that's needed to show they care.

Like most (All?) democracies, the apathetic majority (IMHO) allow excesses to happen.

The mandate that the ruling party have is defended because in order to vote for it, you must be aware of it's content. I concede the point.

However, there was no -which bits are you voting for? It is an all or nothing. No different to other Democracies in the world.

Would be nice to see the ruling party acknowledging that the Constitution is too important to be left to page x of their mandate, which realistically (IMHO) most of their supporters didn't even know was there.

I realise the army did things differently in 2007, and have set a precedent for heavy handed implementations, but things are different now - hey, we have a Democracy

"Ugly People doing Ugly things"

How the press saw the Red Shirts "intimidating and threatening" Abhisit on his recent trip to Chiang Mai

It is what I witnessed with my own eyes and I was seriously scared!!! My whole feeling was that there is something waiting to explode here because these people were like clockwork oranges - they were wound up and ready to vent their spleen. I fear the day when this descends to civil war which in a sense is where this path is leading us ......