Women Warned Against Opting For Dangerous Procedures: Dermatological Society Of Thailand

[MAJIC]

Jeepers! what with news of Vaginal skin whiteners,and now this,soon we fellas will need a Doctors Report to make sure everthing is present,before dating begins.

[cup-O-coffee]

It is skewed because it does any list factors for why these surgeries were performed. It is also skewed because of all the countries listed, I believe Thailand is the only one listed on the list of undeveloped countries (There may be 1 or 2 others). This is significant as one wonders how Thailand even manages to appear on a list populated largely by developed countries, whose populations have much lower poverty levels by population. I submit that the numbers for Thailand come from the 4% of those who have the out of pocket money, of which "working girls" and HiSo's make up that large percentage.

Hence, one can conclude that were more Thais to have more money, the figure for Thailand would skyrocket.

Rates of plastic surgery for the largest providers of cosmetic care in East and Southeast Asia

as well as for a few other major players in the world:

COUNTRY ...... PP10K

South Korea ... ..74

Brazil .................55

Taiwan................44

United States......42

Japan.................32

Thailand.............11

China...................9

China...................6

PP10K = procedures per 10,000 people of all ages per year

http://www.asianplas...ea-highest.html

It's still skewed. They say these are the most comprehensive statistics that have ever been compiled while cunningly adding the disclaimer that "it is not perfect".

The entire report admits to simplify the statistics: “Our Analysis: Due to the absence of detailed demographic profiles, our calculations to determine per capita rates were kept deliberately simple.”

They further skew their report by excluding all statistics that are not from board-certified plastic surgeons, and goes further to admit that “cosmetic surgery performed by non-plastic surgeons was not included”.

They continue to demean the reliability of their statistics by admitting that “interpretation of statistical data by the ISAPS, however, was minimal. “

Then they continue with the subtle skewing of the facts by adding “We took the total number of reported invasive surgical procedures reported by the ISAPS (excludes non-invasive procedures like BOTOX and filler injections) and divided that by the most reliable total population estimates for each country posted on Wikipedia for year 2009.

Now that is funny. They admit in the beginning that “Raw Data: Previous statistics compiled by the ISAPS in years past have been of limited value since the totals were badly skewed by the number of member plastic surgeons reporting data from each country.”, yet they return to that data to pick and choose what they determine is “most reliable”. They even admit to using Wikipedia as one of their primary sources of information. <deleted>??? Wikipedia???

And another blow is delivered when they admit that these numbers you are using include “Operations performed on medical tourists traveling from outside the country” and add that any amount of these numbers they quote are also repeat surgeries: “detailed data on multiple procedures or percentage of medical tourists was not provided by the ISAPS, it would be expected to be fairly similar in most countries.” Ah, I see. "It would be expected" is a sure-fire way to draw an accurate statistic.

They define their report as "meaningful": "Despite such limitations, the PP10K still provides a useful metric to allow for meaningful country-to-country comparisons".

Meaningful to who? With all that information omitted and using Wikipedia (no link, incidentally) and admitting that the information they do use is the best they could find and interpret according to their standards, it is no wonder that this report is inaccurate bullshit.

Adding Thailand to this list is the cherry on top that illuminates the ridiculousness and unreliability of this make-shift report. Thailand, the hub of catastrophic chaos when it comes to information accuracy and database sharing. No Thai who performs these operations, regardless of certification by some dummied-up University with a fancy, gold-leafed Thai diploma would ever be allowed to operate in any of these other countries without passing their licensing exams, and I doubt 99% of them could. When I stroll through Thepprasit market and see tents set up for instant mole removal by some country witch doctor this pretty much dispels any thoughts of legitimacy towards Thailand being a reliable or viable country to add to this dubious list. Just what, exactly, is a board-certified Thai cosmetic surgeon? To me it is a Thai who has received his or her education overseas from one of these countries already on the list. I do not think there are that many here in Thailand to give the Thai statistics a leg to stand on.

So, I repeat; This is skewed. They have taken unreliable information and chopped it up, added artificial seasoning and spice and served it up as legitimate fact. It is shit with sauce and they are telling you it is tasty and nutritious.

Incidentally, who are "they"; the makers of this ridiculous report?:

A Journalist who plays a mean guitar

Steffan Cris, Director and Editor

Co-founder and all-around troubleshooter, Steff holds a masters degree from the University of California and has over ten years experience in web journalism.

He also happens to be one heck of a guitarist who continues to delight the punk rock crowd even if his days on Warped Tour may (or may not) be behind him.

An Ornament

Catherine Jo, Research, Design and Advertising

Equipped with a graduate degree from USC and four years as Marketing Director for an international services firm based primarily in Asia, Katie oversees content research and development, site aesthetics, and advertising.

A Retired Eyelid Surgeon

Dr. Frank Meronk, Founder

Description from their website:

A graduate of The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and one of the world's leading specialists in advanced Asian eyelid plastic surgery, Dr. Meronk has provided generous support and guidance in helping to launch and grow this site.

Description from his website:

A graduate of The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and one of the most specialized cosmetic surgeons in the United States, Dr. Meronk performed nearly 30,000 aesthetic and restorative eyelid surgery procedures on patients from throughout the world, many of them seeking help after unsatisfactory cosmetic surgery undertaken elsewhere.

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Interesting to note that he traveled to other countries (Thailand?) to perform surgeries on eyelids. This report did not say how many of these doctors are not native to those countries, so technically speaking, if a US doctor performs the surgery in Thailand, then that statistic should be a US statistic.

It is also interesting that none of the information in the report is from the works of this doctor, but from Wikipedia. It seems he is there to add fluff with his retired "PhD".

[Nisa]

cup-O-coffee - I have no idea what you are obsessing about but the number are not "skewed" but as with any statistics they are not completely accurate but the best representative to look at trends and comparisons. Bottom line is you don't want to believe something that has been reported by numerous studies done by different groups is your business.

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

[cup-O-coffee]

cup-O-coffee - I have no idea what you are obsessing about but the number are not "skewed" but as with any statistics they are not completely accurate but the best representative to look at trends and comparisons. Bottom line is you don't want to believe something that has been reported by numerous studies done by different groups is your business.

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

I disagree. The numbers are skewed. I am not obsessing, but it is odd that you see it as such and dismiss my tedious response to the credibility of your article as being "obsessive" while dismissing the article itself as not being obsessive on the same grounds.

You are correct that I do not want to believe in numerous studies done by information gleaned from Wikipedia, which the article states. I am not as gullible as you on this issue, as I have described in my prior post. So, why are you defending a copy & paste article that I have exposed as dubious by means of their own testimony?

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

Perhaps, but this generalization does not address the deeper issues and facts, which the article declares as impossible to approach even remotely; hence the "best guess". That is good enough for you, but not good enough for me. It makes the article and the website inconclusive and insincere respectively: more of a "feel-good" hobby than a science. "Guessing" and interpreting with self-confessed, dubious, empirical evidence is not an exact science, and should not be used as such in a debate. Rebutting with accusations of being "obsessive" is weak.

Edited October 1, 2012 by cup-O-coffee

[Nisa]

NEW YORK, Aug. 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery (ISAPS) is a world leader in plastic surgery. After a year-long process, the Society has produced the "ISAPS Biennial Global Survey™" of plastic surgeons and procedures in the top 25 countries and regions – representing 75% of all procedures in 2009. The ISAPS Survey marks the first time reliable international plastic surgery data has been obtained and analyzed by independent statistical specialists.

The top 25 countries and regions are:

1. United States

11. Argentina

21. Australia

2. China

12. Russia

22. Venezuela

3. Brazil

13. Italy

23. Saudi Arabia

4. India

14. France

24. Netherlands

5. Mexico

15. Canada

25. Portugal

6. Japan

16. Taiwan

7. South Korea

17. United Kingdom

8. Germany

18. Colombia

9. Turkey

19. Greece

10. Spain

20. Thailand

PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1bF18)

[Nisa]

cup-O-coffee - I have no idea what you are obsessing about but the number are not "skewed" but as with any statistics they are not completely accurate but the best representative to look at trends and comparisons. Bottom line is you don't want to believe something that has been reported by numerous studies done by different groups is your business.

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

I disagree. The numbers are skewed. I am not obsessing, but it is odd that you see it as such and dismiss my tedious response to the credibility of your article as being "obsessive" while dismissing the article itself as not being obsessive on the same grounds.

You are correct that I do not want to believe in numerous studies done by information gleaned from Wikipedia, which the article states. I am not as gullible as you on this issue, as I have described in my prior post. So, why are you defending a copy & paste article that I have exposed as dubious by means of their own testimony?

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

Perhaps, but this generalization does not address the deeper issues and facts, which the article declares as impossible to approach even remotely; hence the "best guess". That is good enough for you, but not good enough for me. It makes the article and the website inconclusive and insincere respectively: more of a "feel-good" hobby than a science. "Guessing" and interpreting with self-confessed, dubious, empirical evidence is not an exact science, and should not be used as such in a debate. Rebutting with accusations of being "obsessive" is weak.

If you are not going to believe the gist of the basic trends and country comparisons done by different groups including International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery and quoted by numersou medical publications then that is your choice but I just see no logic in disbelieving the overall view when these reports have no agenda and they are the best number available and scientific methodology was used to come up with the most accurate numbers available. For their latest findings http://www.isaps.org...esults-2011.pdf (the overall survey portion of this research holds a standard error of +/‐ 3.67% at a 95% level of confidence.)

Edited October 1, 2012 by Nisa

[cup-O-coffee]

cup-O-coffee - I have no idea what you are obsessing about but the number are not "skewed" but as with any statistics they are not completely accurate but the best representative to look at trends and comparisons. Bottom line is you don't want to believe something that has been reported by numerous studies done by different groups is your business.

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

I disagree. The numbers are skewed. I am not obsessing, but it is odd that you see it as such and dismiss my tedious response to the credibility of your article as being "obsessive" while dismissing the article itself as not being obsessive on the same grounds.

You are correct that I do not want to believe in numerous studies done by information gleaned from Wikipedia, which the article states. I am not as gullible as you on this issue, as I have described in my prior post. So, why are you defending a copy & paste article that I have exposed as dubious by means of their own testimony?

As a side note, It is common knowledge that Thailand is very well known for medical tourism which includes cosmetic procedures.

Perhaps, but this generalization does not address the deeper issues and facts, which the article declares as impossible to approach even remotely; hence the "best guess". That is good enough for you, but not good enough for me. It makes the article and the website inconclusive and insincere respectively: more of a "feel-good" hobby than a science. "Guessing" and interpreting with self-confessed, dubious, empirical evidence is not an exact science, and should not be used as such in a debate. Rebutting with accusations of being "obsessive" is weak.

If you are not going to believe the gist of the basic trends and country comparisons done by different groups including International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery and quoted by numersou medical publications then that is your choice but I just see no logic in disbelieving the overall view when these reports have no agenda and they are the best number available and scientific methodology was used to come up with the most accurate numbers available. For their latest findings http://www.isaps.org...esults-2011.pdf (the overall survey portion of this research holds a standard error of +/‐ 3.67% at a 95% level of confidence.)

Forgive me for politely asking, but are you obsessing?

Best number available?

A standard for a level of confidence?

Where is the certainty and conclusiveness in the findings of one who simply has the confidence of one's peers?

It rings more of a marketing scheme to convince someone to invest in pork bellies than an absolute scientific finding. Forgive my stubbornness, Nisa, but I place no validity in the statistics collected (by these well-intentioned individuals) from known liars and incompetent idiots; which is probably what gets Thailand erroneously placed on a lot of charts in the first place. On the surface, it is easier to prove that Thais say and do anythings they wish to attain the image of comprehensive worth, value and truthfulness, in spite of their little "white lies".

[Nisa]

Must be a bit of a crack down or at least a coincidence because the police, with many news cameras in tow, busted a girl who was giving Botex injections on my soi. Actually didn't bust her as she walked away on her own but think she had to go to the police station maybe to get the "proper paperwork" to continue the business.

[fakename]

As all other statistics in Thailand, these are probably just made up. Does anyone watch the Thai soap operas? I am forced to watch, with the gf, but when you look at the commercials, there are just two things that are advertised. Number one is Whitener, the other is some idiot driving like a mad man and trying to convince everyone that this is the car or pick-up to buy. But there are way more Whitener adds, some one after the other. Now the funniest is the Intimate Whitener! Wow, does that mean we will no longer see that nice brown area? Will it become a chemical dump? Not sure if this is for the front or back side, time will tell.

What is amazing, is with the soap operas, all of the smart people are white,and of course with a farang nose, and all the stupid workers and servants are brown, with Thai nose! Dont the average person react to this BS? I would think that the average Thai would be outraged by this racism, but no, they just enjoy the soap.

[PoodMaiDai]

I just told my girlfriend that unless she whitened her vagina, I would be leaving her. She replied, "I already cut off my penis, now you want me to bleach what's left?"