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Income Affidavit Notarized By State Notary Vs From Embassy

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Will Thai immigration accept an income affidavit notarized in the US by a state notary vs having to use the US Embassy personnel for the purpose?

Trying to avoid ridiculous cost of having document notarized at the embassy in Bangkok given I will be needing it as soon as I return to Thailand from the US.

Thanks for your consideration.

They will only accept one from the embassy and some offices require that it be dated within 30 days of your application. Appointment is necessary but no proof of income, only your statement. Notary fee is $50. Embassy exchange rate is 32 baht/dollar, equates to 1600 baht.

Edited by wayned

price is 3 times more expensier than what we pay to the swedish dito... congrats...

glegolo

Sailor Ed

Give it a try, might well work, if it doesn't only time will be wasted by that additional run to Immigration. Just do it early enough so you still have time to hit the embassy if you get a reject first time.

Mac

He can not hit the Embassy - advance reservations are required for everyone now. Only an Embassy letter should be accepted as they can confirm signatures and that you have signed this under oath to your government.

What is more of a rip-off IMHO is the 1,900 THB charge payable only by cash to Immigration for a half-page extension stamp in your passport. Funny how no-one seems to complain about this!

What is more of a rip-off IMHO is the 1,900 THB charge payable only by cash to Immigration for a half-page extension stamp in your passport. Funny how no-one seems to complain about this!

That works out to about 158 Baht per month for annual extension. If that's too rich, maybe you could consider somewhere else?

What is more of a rip-off IMHO is the 1,900 THB charge payable only by cash to Immigration for a half-page extension stamp in your passport. Funny how no-one seems to complain about this!

I thought that the 1900 baht fee was for processing your extension not just the stamp.

Whilst it may seem a little steep for a 7 day extension (to be refused) on a 30 day visa exempt entry, for an extension based on marriage with all the paperwork to check and then sending it of for approval they probably make a loss. Of course if you think it expensive you can always visit an embassy/consulate outside of Thailand and get a new visa.

+1 for what beechboy said.

Edit.. on topic .. Would not expect immigration to accept documents endorsed by a notary in the States as they would have no way to check if the guy was real. With Embassy they do.

Edited by ThaidDown

That works out to about 158 Baht per month for annual extension. If that's too rich, maybe you could consider somewhere else?

My latest Embassy POI letter worked out at about 196 THB per month. Are you one of those like the OP who might consider this to be too rich, beechguy?

I thought that the 1900 baht fee was for processing your extension not just the stamp..

Embassy POI letters need to be processed, too, prior to actual production.

Whilst it may seem a little steep for a 7 day extension (to be refused) on a 30 day visa exempt entry, for an extension based on marriage with all the paperwork to check and then sending it of for approval they probably make a loss. Of course if you think it expensive you can always visit an embassy/consulate outside of Thailand and get a new visa.

I also had to pay 1,900 THB for my latest retirement extension which my local immigration office was able to grant without reference to Bangkok HQ for approval. Might we retirees, in effect, be subsidising the processing costs for marriage and other extensions requiring HQ approval?

That works out to about 158 Baht per month for annual extension. If that's too rich, maybe you could consider somewhere else?

My latest Embassy POI letter worked out at about 196 THB per month. Are you one of those like the OP who might consider this to be too rich, beechguy?

I thought that the 1900 baht fee was for processing your extension not just the stamp..

Embassy POI letters need to be processed, too, prior to actual production.

Whilst it may seem a little steep for a 7 day extension (to be refused) on a 30 day visa exempt entry, for an extension based on marriage with all the paperwork to check and then sending it of for approval they probably make a loss. Of course if you think it expensive you can always visit an embassy/consulate outside of Thailand and get a new visa.

I also had to pay 1,900 THB for my latest retirement extension which my local immigration office was able to grant without reference to Bangkok HQ for approval. Might we retirees, in effect, be subsidising the processing costs for marriage and other extensions requiring HQ approval?

I doubt you are subsidising anything. I look at the fees as the cost of doing business or living expenses, if I can't afford 158 or 196 Baht per month, then I would go home and quit bitching about it.

I doubt you are subsidising anything. I look at the fees as the cost of doing business or living expenses, if I can't afford 158 or 196 Baht per month, then I would go home and quit bitching about it.

Not bitching about anything, merely pointing out the differing attitudes across TV (as graphically illustrated in this thread) towards Embassy POI letter costs (negative) and Immigration extension of stay fees (positive), which strongly smack of double standards to me at any rate.

I'm not encouraging this, but I wonder... If you downloaded the US Thaland Embassy's income affidavit letter and had your signature notarized while in America, would the Thai Immigrations Officer even notice the difference? Or, are notary stamps blatantly different at different places, so that a notary stamp from, say, a Notary Public in California would stand out like a sore thumb to a Thai Immigrations Officer who is used to seeing the BKK Embassy stamp?

Edited by wpcoe

The California notary public stamp isn't particularly similar, visually, to the U.S. Embassy consular stamp.

Nor is the notary public stamp going to be signed and listed as coming from a U.S. consul or deputy consul, as the Embassy stamp is.

The Embassy stamps looks very different from a notary stamp -- so different than our financial counselor's firm in the U.S. refused to accept it, saying it wasn't a valid notary because it didn't say when the notary's commission expires. I pointed out that it probably never expires for an Embassy, but they were used to seeing stamps from our state notaries, not a federal one.

It was $50 wasted -- actually more, because we had to set up someone in the U.S. with a power-of-attorney to execute the document required by the firm managing our retirement accounts. Lesson learned -- be sure everything is in order with your finances BEFORE you leave your home country, especially if you don't plan to return anytime soon.

Nancy, it all depends on the situation and what particular entity is receiving/handling your notarized documents back in the U.S.

But in the past, I've used Thai notaries here in BKK such as the services some of the local law/visa firms provide, and those were accepted by my U.S. institutions. I've also used the U.S. Consulate's notary service at times.

I've also seen some Thai notaries advertsing for 1000 to 1500 baht or so per document, though the law/visa firms were even more expensive than the U.S. Consulate's $50 fee.

Absent the ability to have something officially notarized back in the U.S. or having the U.S. Consulate do it here for a type of document that falls within their basket of accepted documents, it seems to be a bit of a crapshoot. Possible, but never sure what the outcome will be until after you've sent off the document.

Edited by TallGuyJohninBKK

The US income affidavit is embossed with the 'US Eagle' emblem and then ink stamped with the name and signature of the signatory US Consul or Vice-Consul. My guess is that is what Thai Immigration will look for and is used to seeing.

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Thanks for all the comments. Will pay the embassy notary fee and consider it an honor to help pay the inflated salaries for US civil servants enjoying living in Thailand that I already support through federal taxes.

Assuming you're talking about seeking a retirement and marriage extension of stay from Thai Immigration, the alternative would be to park 800,000 baht for retirement or 400,000 baht for marriage in a Thai bank account.

That would satisfy Thai Immigration's income requirement, the same as a $50 Consulate letter documenting at least 65,000 baht in monthly income from any/all sources for a retirement extension, or 40,000 baht per month (I believe) for a marriage extension.

Of course, moving a large sum of U.S. $ into a Thai bank account has its own risks, including currency exchange risk, the questionable consumer protection and deposit insurance provisions associated with Thai bank accounts, and the difficulties in later trying to move that same large sum OUT of Thailand should the need arise.

Thanks for all the comments. Will pay the embassy notary fee and consider it an honor to help pay the inflated salaries for US civil servants enjoying living in Thailand that I already support through federal taxes.

The salaries are not inflated, but the cost of living is less. Gee, that's one of reasons why I live here. What's yours?

As said they get paid the same salary in Bangkok as in Boston. But government must pay additional housing/facility/transportation/training/medical/communications/local hire costs and try to recover these with fees based on that total cost to make the taxpayer happy.

And, for the USG employees, Bangkok is a 10% hardship allowance post! Wish such was added to my Social Security since I live here.

And II, if they did, I might move to Udorn, which is a 20% post!

http://aoprals.state.gov/Web920/hardship.asp

Mac

Things change - must be because of the divorce rate.rolleyes.gif

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